I sadly endured a poison show over the summer lmao he isn't. They have bangers, but man, Bret sure did love talking about how much he loves the Hershey/Harrisburg area that they had to cut two song lmao
Oh god, and he just goes on and on before every song. Saw him in STL as an opener for... someone, can't recall. Every other song started (or ended) with "YOU READY TO PARTY SAAAAINT LOOOOOUIS!!!!!" Yes Bret, quit fucking asking me.
I saw him a few years back at a casino in Louisiana. He did the same shit. It's not like this was New Orleans. But he kept yelling out, "LAKE CHARLES YOU READY TO ROCK?!?!"
Lake Charles is a shithole that has a few casinos, there's nothing else that draws people to that town. They definitely weren't ready to rock.
That’s because no one is ready to do what Bill does. That man is football and football only. The only one close to the commitment is probably Kingsberry but sadly he has a QB that studies CoD more than the playbook.
It’s also interesting because former Bill players have done a much better job than Bills assistant coaches.
Makes you think that he’s teaching the same thing to everyone. But the coaches try to replicate him, while the players actually know how to learn and improve
From what we’ve heard out of the Raiders camp it seems like Josh has finally taken that to heart and is just trying to drive home the whole “process driven” thing rather than “be as big a dick as you want” thing
Ya I think a lot of these coaches see that Bill is stern and think simply being a dictator is the way to go. None of them understand that it’s Bill’s process that works. He just happens to also be stern
I think a lot of coaches are just pigheaded fools who think that adapting his attitude is what matters, and not his intensely focused and curious study of the game and all its fine elements
He strikes me as the kind of coach that's too young and inexperienced to rein in attitudes and kind of relied on others to do that. He's like that friend that's smart, you'd trust them to organize stuff, but they're not a confident leader willing to call things out. They rely on someone else to do the hard coaching.
If you're the guy, you can't be friends with your players without them being reminded you are also their boss and set a standard. I have no idea how our coach does it but we've had our fair share of headcases come through too, so it's clearly a product of how you interact with your team.
I think by now too many players know what it's like to work for Bill Belichick and now that Brady's gone there is even less incentive to want to work for him. His coaching tree isn't great, he had a defensive coach coaching offense last year for fucks sake, and he's calling back his old pal BoB from his friend Saban's rehab clinic.
> he had a defensive coach coaching offense last year for fucks sake, and he's calling back his old pal BoB from his friend Saban's rehab clinic.
In this case, I think the former was caused by the latter, not the other way around. After Josh left BoB was the ***blindingly*** obvious choice. The problem was that BoB was still under contract so BB decided to try and go without an OC rather than sacrifice his friendship with Saban
You can be friends with your subordinates, but you have to have that switch you can flick on a moment's notice and accept you may no longer be friends after that. I've been doing it for about 3 years now and only in the last year have I realized that I need to be the bad cop sometimes to get things done.
It's not fun, but it's what needs to be done at times otherwise you get walked over.
Maybe a hot take, but Rivera should be fired for investing in Wentz as much as he did while Heinicke was right there. I think the Commanders would have landed the wild card spot if the Commanders just let Heinicke play the entire year.
My main reason for being fan is location, location, location, and that my parents had this really cool maroon and yellow blanket that was a football field design with the old logo on the 50 yd line, and it was fun to play Legos or Hot Wheels on. Particularly Hot Wheels football, in which there was no ball, but my brother and I smashed Hot Wheels into each other in a scrimmage.
That is the best "reason you became a fan" story ever.
NFLPA should go in with Hot Wheels and make player painted cars. Way better than those stupid POP figures.
> Particularly Hot Wheels football, in which there was no ball, but my brother and I smashed Hot Wheels into each other in a scrimmage.
we just did that on my dinosaur bedspread.
How the absolute fuck does the nfl have *no* dinosaur themed teams?
Except the other three teams in the NFC East. We recognize as long as Snyder still owns it that team will be mid at best. Same with I don't want Jerry Jones to ever sell the team for the same reason
Jerry is a marketing genius. The man is always in front of a camera and uses the media better than any other owner in the sport. Pretty sure he does a radio show weekly, he’s one of the first people interviewed after a game, etc. I can’t compare this with every owner but as a chargers fan, Spanos almost never does media interviews, and I’m sure it’s the same for some other owners as well.
I think a majority of billionaires try to move in silence as much as possible. You get your Jerry Joneses, Elon Musks etc.. but that seems more rare than the ones you don't hear about often.
Yeah that’s a great point too. Jerry is the exception, not the rule, a ton of other billionaires kinda like to stay out of the limelight. Jerry’s an attention whore lmao.
Jerry Jones and Mark Cuban are among the rare owners that openly make public appearances. Robert Kraft vaulted up there in fame from all the Super Bowl wins (and before the rub and tug scandal). Most owners, however, stay private and let the coaches and GM's do all the talking.
I disagree, we can hate them as a team, but Snyder being the massive POS he is and the way he has affected people and players goes beyond football.
I’d be glad to see him gone.
Though jerry is a bit more of a pity puppy so he can stay.
This right here. The NFC East is way more fun when the teams are all competitive, or on the brink of being competitive. The old Dallas and Washington rivalry hasn't felt special in such a long time thanks to Snyder.
It could be argued the old Dallas and Washington rivalry doesn’t exist anymore. With all the DC area bandwagon Cowboys fans, and the fact that a lot of Cowboys fans my age (30) and younger seem to view the Eagles as the Cowboys biggest rival compared to Washington.
I agree with that for the Cowboys, our biggest rivalry as Washington fans is Dan Snyder. We have been fighting with ourselves more so than other teams as fans
Even as a birds fan I hope they change the name when it's sold. Complete revamp. Give us the hogs or the wolves, he'll even the senators would've been better. Commanders was arguably the worst of all choices, and the fake fan input just made it more laughable
People like to act like Heinicke isn't bad because he'll make a random flashy play.
Not defending Wentz. He's straight up bad, but Heinicke isn't much better.
It would have been tough. Guys like Foles and Hurts are limited compared to Wentz in different ways, but they weren't completely limited as it pertained to the position of QB. Heinicke is. It was going to be tough no matter who they put back there. Not that I totally disagree about Rivera. I don't think he's a bad coach, but he's not all that good either.
The dude didn't even know Washington could be eliminated with a loss that week.
Seriously.
They spent weeks game planning to beat Dallas in the last game and thought they could make the playoffs even if they lost the game before, so Rivera thought he could use that week to see how Carson was playing.
He was actually dumbfounded at the press conference after that game when someone asked how it felt to be facing elimination due to the loss, and he asked the room of reporters if that was right.
Somehow that wasn't even the biggest storyline of the week, and it kind of just got forgotten about, but holy shit what an insanely poorly run team.
Two of them, there have been more than two. Chase Daniel was backup Wentz's rookie year (courtesy of a gift first rounder for Sammy Sleeves), and Josh McCown's torn cheeks couldn't manage the comeback vs Seattle.
Timeline of Wentz’s career:
2016: rookie season with potential. Misses playoffs at 7-9
2017: MVP season cut short due to injury, his backup comes in and wins Philly their first title and wins SB MVP. Foles gets a statue outside of the stadium as well. During their playoff run, Wentz gets salty and Sproles presses him
2018: comes back and plays shaky. Suffers a back injury with the Eagles at 6-7 so Foles comes in and wins 3 straight to make playoffs. Wins a playoff game on the road and most likely would’ve went back to the NFCCG if Jeffrey didn’t let the ball slip through his hands. His teammates (well mostly Jeffery) start talking to reporters about how they prefer Foles over Wentz
2019: gets an extension, starts to become good again late in the season and wins the division at 9-7. Gets to play in his first playoff game but takes a shot to the head during the 1st quarter and the Eagles lose with no Foles to save them this time
2020: Hurts gets drafted in the second round and Wentz has the worst season of his career. Gets benched for Hurts who isn’t a good passer at this point but his teammates and coach prefer having Hurts out there rather than Wentz. Eagles miss playoffs at 4-11-1
2021: Wentz demands a trade despite Pederson getting fired so he gets traded to the Colts. He plays better than last season but has an up n down season overall as he makes bone headed decisions during big moments. Gets covid while unvaccinated then plays like shit against Vegas and Jacksonville and loses both games when they only needed to win one of them to make playoffs. Colts miss playoffs and the Eagles make playoffs while having their first round pick due to Wentz playing 75% of his snaps
2022: gets traded to the Commanders with Isray talking shit about him. Commanders start 2-4 with him and he suffers a hand injury. This includes a game where the the Eagles sacked Wentz 9 times. Heinicke comes in and the team goes from 2-4 to 7-5 while the team plays better with him. They start losing and Wentz starts in a must win game against the Browns and throws 3 interceptions to get eliminated from the playoffs while the crowd boos him and starts clamoring for Heinicke. Meanwhile Hurts takes the Eagles back to the SB
Oh for sure. Not denying that at all. More so just remembering when he was THE GUY for us. I have a Wentz jersey that sits at the very back of my closet and I just kinda laugh when I see it peek out looking for a different one.
Same here.
I don't want to wear my Wentz jersey outside in public...but I also don't want to throw it away. So it's sitting in my closet gathering dust. FML. haha
Jesus…. Like other guys have flamed out quickly( Josh Rosen) others have been extremely mediocre, others have been Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russel but I think Carson because of everything that has happened to him has the worst career luck ever. Like how could that not affect your mental love for the game
It doesn't really feel like bad luck to me. From everything I've seen and heard, he was fairly uncoachable and overly arrogant. He never really made any progress past his 2nd year.
Yeah I’m pretty neutral toward Wentz as a human but he’s shown a complete unwillingness to change as a player. It’s telling how locker rooms have felt about him
I do think the clowney hit really derailed his career too though
I think watching his backup win the Super Bowl, Super Bowl MVP and have a statue erected in his honor did more damage to his brain than that Clowney hit.
Imagine having to walk past a statue of your backup everyday you come to work. Lmao. Definitely something that could fuck with your head. I wouldn’t want to have to do that either. But for $40+ million a year I would suck it up and not be a whiny bitch like he was.
Yeah. Everyone wants to blame the concussion but he had been sliding for two years before that at that point, outside of about 4 weeks vs terrible NFCE teams where Doug was cooking up a storm and making it easy on him.
>I do think the clowney hit really derailed his career too though
I don't think this gets talked about enough. He was never the same after this hit. His reaction time fell off a cliff.
Yeah, I mean he has definitely had bad luck injury wise, and although some of that was due to not playing in a way to protect himself, even if he never got injured I think he probably would have peaked in his 2nd year. He just hasn't been able to take the next step in development despite multiple chances, and clearly is lacking on the leadership front in some way, based on how the teams around him have reacted to him.
I still can't agree. "his backups playing so well". The SB year, all of Philly remembered him as an mvp candidate that gave us a chance and put us in the position to win our first ever Superbowl. He made it possible for Foles and we all knew Wentz was the future.
It was Wentz unwillingness to be coached that led to the eagles drafting Hurts in the first place. Then his garbage play that gave Hurts an opportunity. Then his garbage attitude that got him traded even after we were willing to fire the best coach we ever had for him.
Edit: no doubt I agree the injuries were bad luck, but even that was due to him unwilling to learn and become a better and safer pocket QB.
Reid is the better all time coach, Doug is the more loved coach in Philly. Although there's still a lot of love for Andy here too, most fans I know were rooting for him both times KC went to the Superbowl previously
People keep saying Wentz had the worst career luck ever but I keep thinking that's a recency bias. There have been other players including at other postions that arguably had better career highs relative to Wentz or were better at QB.
As a QB, Andrew Luck had a shortened career due to a shit O-Line/injuries due to shit o-line and I'd argue he had more promise/skill than Wentz.
Former Colts safety Bob Sanders, when healthy was arguably the best safety and a top 3 defensive player when healthy and won a SB for the Colts. He was made of glass and insanely injury prone so that went nowhere fast.
There's probably a bunch of other players too who were probably better with better highs than Wentz. Everyone keeps forgetting how complete and good that Eagles team was and they didn't really need Wentz to be amazing, just good enough.
> I'd argue he had more promise/skill than Wentz.
As close as an objective fact as you can get that Luck had more promise and skill than Wentz. Arguably the most promise of all time.
One addition I’d make to the 2022 picture was that Heinicke handed the Eagles their only loss of the season with Hurts behind center, which cemented him as the starter once Wentz was healthy. The level of irony there had to have hurt.
Wentz was better in 2018 than people remember. He improved his completion percentage from 60.2 to 69.6, his Y/A from 7.5 to 7.7, and his passer rating from 101.9 to 102.2.
I’m a big believer in the theory that the back injury in 2018 ruined his career, not the ACL in 2017.
I believe the Clowney hit fucked him more than anything. He threw for over 4000 yards with a terrible WR room. Then we obviously saw what has happened after the Clowney hit
Sounds like the background story of the antagonist in a cliche football movie about the Eagles. Foles is the protagonist in the first movie. Hurts is the new one in the sequel.
Doug Pederson deserves so much fucking credit for this man. Typically when a HC is fired, you'd think it's because he hates the new QB the team is forcing on him, but him and Hurts sharing that moment was special.
Also, nobody in NFL has guts to fire coaches like Eagles do. Holy hell.
Even Chip Kelly was great for a year plus. It wasn’t until they made him GM too that shit went wonky. I don’t hate that they tried that experiment.
Eagles coaches take a ton of shit, but we’ve had some really great ones under Lurie.
This comment doesn't make sense to me. Tressel resigned for NCAA violations, Fickell was an interim, Meyer did his quit for health reasons routine. None were fired for performance reasons.
Meanwhile, Nebraska fires coaches who win 9 games and now just hope to be bowl eligible.
For every situation of team firing a good coach and sucking for decades, there's a situation like this where the dice are rolled and you come out out better as a result.
This is why I will never fault a team for moving on. Sticking with the same thing and expecting different results never works. Happens in college football too. Nebraska fell off after firing Bo, while Georgia is now a back-to-back champion after firing Richt. Just how it goes.
Probably the thing I give Lurie the most props for, it would have been very easy for him to bend the knee and give Doug whatever he wants due to him being a SB winning head coach and making playoffs 3/5 years but as soon as things looked like a disaster he said it was time to move on (same with Chip and Andy). Really glad it worked in Andy and Doug’s favor as well, a change of scenery and bringing in fresh minds does wonders
I'm not mad where it all eventually led to with Wentz, but man I kinda feel for the dude. I remember a time when all of us Birds fans would go to war for the guy.
McCown will forever be burned in my memory for how much he gave in that game. I don't think I've seen someone do so much on seemingly pure force of will.
Carson gets a lot of hate it seems. I don't know how Carson is as a human being, but when I saw his facial expressions while BDN was balling out it became obvious he just might be a bad teammate.
He went behind Pedersen's back to get him fired (as Pedersen was ready to move on to Hurts). The Eagles then traded him anyway. Carson Wentz is a piece of shit and deserves all the hate he gets and much more.
I remember seeing a video during the SB trophy presentation that stayed on Wentz the whole time. After he passed off the trophy to Foles, Wentz walked off the platform and looked like he just lost a family member. He was deflated after that
It will be hilarious if one of the hyped prospects at qb drops and the Eagles scoop him up
As long as the Eagles have a quarterback who can stand being used in the running game, their running game with their current offensive line coach / run game coordinator will be nearly unstoppable.
I think they like Jalen as a person too much to not have him try to lead the franchise but there’s something to be said for the injury risk and cap space allocation working in tandem to make it a risky signing.
Coming off Rivers there was an argument to be made that the roster was still "a QB away" and Reich was convinced he was the guy to target. Based on the scuttlebutt I read it sounds like Wentz didn't have his heart in things during the season and sealed his fate with the choke job against the Jags. Plus anyone who watched some Colts games that year can tell you his performance was underwhelming when compared with his statlines. And based on how he regressed further this year I'd say we were correct to go one and done with him.
As far as the Matt Ryan experience, really the issue there is Ballard falling into the trap that we were *still* (somehow) only a QB away. What is so dumb is Ballard was taking this conservative tack of bandaid QBs and drafting BPA instead of rebuilding properly with a new QB. He was afraid to draft one because it could cost him his job. He's more or less said as much. And while he made the correct assessment that the conservative approach kept his job (fuck that), it absolutely fucked the team over in terms of long term health.
With their draft position now, them being better with Wentz would probably do more damage to the Colts.
Indy bottoming out right now is the best thing for the franchise going forward. That team was a mess, does Wentz help them go 6-11 instead? There'd be no point really.
He was actually pretty terrible. The stats are a bit deceptive. There were not many turnovers but that's because of how conservative he was and the turnovers he had we're at terrible times and at times with his left hand. Aside from maybe the Arizona game, there wasn't one time where it felt like "we won because of Wentz". It was way more than the Jags game. It took like 50 attempts against Tennessee to throw for 230 yards and 2 picks, he consistently missed open guys (see the raiders game). We were better off giving the ball to Taylor and hoping he busted a run than throwing in a 2 minute drill situation.
He would not have won us anymore games with the oline Ryan had. Ryan was shellshocked and finished even if the libe improved a smidge by years end.
Hey brother sometimes you gotta do what’s right for the franchise brother, long term planning be damned brother we have the recipe for success and it’s in the bathroom let me go grab it
Easy to say now but all those preseason division winner predictions had the colts winning the afc south. Even the jags subreddit picked the colts to win.
To be fair they only made it to the super bowl because wentz helped them to win the NFC conference that year. If it was a full foles year I question whether that would've happened.
Part of the hype had to be from him going to a smaller school. There’s always these QBs from small colleges who get hyped up, since scouts see them stunt on weaker competition. It’s possible he was deemed better than he actually was pre-draft
The refs called a shitty game. But San Francisco wasn't winning that game regardless. Not with all 4 quarterbacks on the roster injured.
People are mad at the officiating in both games and they should be, but nobody thinks the Eagles lose if the game is officiated properly. It still ends in a blowout
Carson Wentz quarterback tree > Bill Belichick coaching tree confirmed
Sam Howell to the Superbowl next year?
Don't get my hopes up just for us to go 7-9
8-9
Don't talk dirty to me
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I sadly endured a poison show over the summer lmao he isn't. They have bangers, but man, Bret sure did love talking about how much he loves the Hershey/Harrisburg area that they had to cut two song lmao
Oh god, and he just goes on and on before every song. Saw him in STL as an opener for... someone, can't recall. Every other song started (or ended) with "YOU READY TO PARTY SAAAAINT LOOOOOUIS!!!!!" Yes Bret, quit fucking asking me.
I saw him a few years back at a casino in Louisiana. He did the same shit. It's not like this was New Orleans. But he kept yelling out, "LAKE CHARLES YOU READY TO ROCK?!?!" Lake Charles is a shithole that has a few casinos, there's nothing else that draws people to that town. They definitely weren't ready to rock.
Anyone watch his reality show? It was basiclly white trash bachelor it was really funny. it was also on like 10-15 years ago maybe more
Flava of love was better
I did back in my teens! I would consume all VH1 content. I was obsessed with the 80’s
I Love Money is incredible television
Check again. I doubt his Party Gras tour would skip Tampa...
7-8-2
How about 8-9 with a Super Bowl run?
I think Jacob Eason is next in line.
The Nate Sudfeld story is gonna be an amazing underdog tale.
Future super bowl MVP Easton Stick
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That’s because no one is ready to do what Bill does. That man is football and football only. The only one close to the commitment is probably Kingsberry but sadly he has a QB that studies CoD more than the playbook.
It’s also interesting because former Bill players have done a much better job than Bills assistant coaches. Makes you think that he’s teaching the same thing to everyone. But the coaches try to replicate him, while the players actually know how to learn and improve
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He’s definitely the biggest offender of “trying to be Bill but not understanding what actually makes Bill Bill”
Obligatory fuck fatty p
From what we’ve heard out of the Raiders camp it seems like Josh has finally taken that to heart and is just trying to drive home the whole “process driven” thing rather than “be as big a dick as you want” thing
Ya I think a lot of these coaches see that Bill is stern and think simply being a dictator is the way to go. None of them understand that it’s Bill’s process that works. He just happens to also be stern
I think a lot of coaches are just pigheaded fools who think that adapting his attitude is what matters, and not his intensely focused and curious study of the game and all its fine elements
If Kliff was even 1% as strict as BB it wouldnt matter. But he had no desire for any form of conflict apparently
He strikes me as the kind of coach that's too young and inexperienced to rein in attitudes and kind of relied on others to do that. He's like that friend that's smart, you'd trust them to organize stuff, but they're not a confident leader willing to call things out. They rely on someone else to do the hard coaching. If you're the guy, you can't be friends with your players without them being reminded you are also their boss and set a standard. I have no idea how our coach does it but we've had our fair share of headcases come through too, so it's clearly a product of how you interact with your team. I think by now too many players know what it's like to work for Bill Belichick and now that Brady's gone there is even less incentive to want to work for him. His coaching tree isn't great, he had a defensive coach coaching offense last year for fucks sake, and he's calling back his old pal BoB from his friend Saban's rehab clinic.
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> he had a defensive coach coaching offense last year for fucks sake, and he's calling back his old pal BoB from his friend Saban's rehab clinic. In this case, I think the former was caused by the latter, not the other way around. After Josh left BoB was the ***blindingly*** obvious choice. The problem was that BoB was still under contract so BB decided to try and go without an OC rather than sacrifice his friendship with Saban
You can be friends with your subordinates, but you have to have that switch you can flick on a moment's notice and accept you may no longer be friends after that. I've been doing it for about 3 years now and only in the last year have I realized that I need to be the bad cop sometimes to get things done. It's not fun, but it's what needs to be done at times otherwise you get walked over.
His main problem is that he only really cares about offense. He's gonna make bank as an OC when he decides to come back.
had* a qb
Taylor Heinicke could have done the same for the Commanders but they didn't have the balls!
Maybe a hot take, but Rivera should be fired for investing in Wentz as much as he did while Heinicke was right there. I think the Commanders would have landed the wild card spot if the Commanders just let Heinicke play the entire year.
New ownership will fire Rivera soon enough, but in the meantime no one is going to want to work for Snyder.
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They’re gonna put the team on Autodraft for the draft (And end up taking 2 kickers in the late rounds)
Don't forget 3 TE and 2 Defenses and 3 QBs
Hey, it was my first year, ok?!?!
Oh, so you also won your league. Congrats!
Did better that season than I did this one, tbh. 8 years later. 😂
Has been ever since Snyder took over
It's funny to think they used to have one of the best owners in the league and were a prestigious franchise like the Packers.
I'm 35 and a life long r-words fan. Been this way essentially my whole life
My main reason for being fan is location, location, location, and that my parents had this really cool maroon and yellow blanket that was a football field design with the old logo on the 50 yd line, and it was fun to play Legos or Hot Wheels on. Particularly Hot Wheels football, in which there was no ball, but my brother and I smashed Hot Wheels into each other in a scrimmage.
That is the best "reason you became a fan" story ever. NFLPA should go in with Hot Wheels and make player painted cars. Way better than those stupid POP figures.
> Particularly Hot Wheels football, in which there was no ball, but my brother and I smashed Hot Wheels into each other in a scrimmage. we just did that on my dinosaur bedspread. How the absolute fuck does the nfl have *no* dinosaur themed teams?
Because Dan Snyder has no imagination.
You can just say Washington.
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I'll leave when I'm good and ready.
The entire NFL, fans and all, will cheer on the day the Commanders are finally sold.
Except the other three teams in the NFC East. We recognize as long as Snyder still owns it that team will be mid at best. Same with I don't want Jerry Jones to ever sell the team for the same reason
Bro Jerry ain’t gonna sell he’s gonna die from heart failure with a pound of salt in one hand and an egg McMuffin in the other in that owners box
Why is Jerry jones so much more famous than any other owner? Is it just because he owns the cowboys?
Jerry is a marketing genius. The man is always in front of a camera and uses the media better than any other owner in the sport. Pretty sure he does a radio show weekly, he’s one of the first people interviewed after a game, etc. I can’t compare this with every owner but as a chargers fan, Spanos almost never does media interviews, and I’m sure it’s the same for some other owners as well.
I think a majority of billionaires try to move in silence as much as possible. You get your Jerry Joneses, Elon Musks etc.. but that seems more rare than the ones you don't hear about often.
Yeah that’s a great point too. Jerry is the exception, not the rule, a ton of other billionaires kinda like to stay out of the limelight. Jerry’s an attention whore lmao.
In the words of the prophet “Real G’s move in silence like lasagna”
Jerry Jones and Mark Cuban are among the rare owners that openly make public appearances. Robert Kraft vaulted up there in fame from all the Super Bowl wins (and before the rub and tug scandal). Most owners, however, stay private and let the coaches and GM's do all the talking.
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The owner of the Bears, Aaron Rodgers, is pretty famous as well.
I disagree, we can hate them as a team, but Snyder being the massive POS he is and the way he has affected people and players goes beyond football. I’d be glad to see him gone. Though jerry is a bit more of a pity puppy so he can stay.
This right here. The NFC East is way more fun when the teams are all competitive, or on the brink of being competitive. The old Dallas and Washington rivalry hasn't felt special in such a long time thanks to Snyder.
It could be argued the old Dallas and Washington rivalry doesn’t exist anymore. With all the DC area bandwagon Cowboys fans, and the fact that a lot of Cowboys fans my age (30) and younger seem to view the Eagles as the Cowboys biggest rival compared to Washington.
I agree with that for the Cowboys, our biggest rivalry as Washington fans is Dan Snyder. We have been fighting with ourselves more so than other teams as fans
Even as a birds fan I hope they change the name when it's sold. Complete revamp. Give us the hogs or the wolves, he'll even the senators would've been better. Commanders was arguably the worst of all choices, and the fake fan input just made it more laughable
Damn isn’t it crazy that they are actually getting new ownership finally? All those years of shit snyder and finally there’s possibly hope
Wentz’s biggest impact was having an incredible 2017 season. I feel like people still see him as having a shot to be that player again.
They forget he had two significant injuries and can't play that way anymore
they’re both pretty bad and even if Heinicke led them to the wildcard game it would’ve just been a blowout loss
People like to act like Heinicke isn't bad because he'll make a random flashy play. Not defending Wentz. He's straight up bad, but Heinicke isn't much better.
It would have been tough. Guys like Foles and Hurts are limited compared to Wentz in different ways, but they weren't completely limited as it pertained to the position of QB. Heinicke is. It was going to be tough no matter who they put back there. Not that I totally disagree about Rivera. I don't think he's a bad coach, but he's not all that good either.
I mean I think Hurts is pretty clearly better than Wentz at this point?
Without question.
The dude didn't even know Washington could be eliminated with a loss that week. Seriously. They spent weeks game planning to beat Dallas in the last game and thought they could make the playoffs even if they lost the game before, so Rivera thought he could use that week to see how Carson was playing. He was actually dumbfounded at the press conference after that game when someone asked how it felt to be facing elimination due to the loss, and he asked the room of reporters if that was right. Somehow that wasn't even the biggest storyline of the week, and it kind of just got forgotten about, but holy shit what an insanely poorly run team.
Two of them, there have been more than two. Chase Daniel was backup Wentz's rookie year (courtesy of a gift first rounder for Sammy Sleeves), and Josh McCown's torn cheeks couldn't manage the comeback vs Seattle.
It’s not too late for them
McCown is retired I believe.
How do we know “retired” isn’t just McCown’s state of being until a truly desperate franchise calls on him?
If he became HC of the Texans last year, it would have been fated for them to make the SB
Daniel has a superbowl as well (Saints)
Timeline of Wentz’s career: 2016: rookie season with potential. Misses playoffs at 7-9 2017: MVP season cut short due to injury, his backup comes in and wins Philly their first title and wins SB MVP. Foles gets a statue outside of the stadium as well. During their playoff run, Wentz gets salty and Sproles presses him 2018: comes back and plays shaky. Suffers a back injury with the Eagles at 6-7 so Foles comes in and wins 3 straight to make playoffs. Wins a playoff game on the road and most likely would’ve went back to the NFCCG if Jeffrey didn’t let the ball slip through his hands. His teammates (well mostly Jeffery) start talking to reporters about how they prefer Foles over Wentz 2019: gets an extension, starts to become good again late in the season and wins the division at 9-7. Gets to play in his first playoff game but takes a shot to the head during the 1st quarter and the Eagles lose with no Foles to save them this time 2020: Hurts gets drafted in the second round and Wentz has the worst season of his career. Gets benched for Hurts who isn’t a good passer at this point but his teammates and coach prefer having Hurts out there rather than Wentz. Eagles miss playoffs at 4-11-1 2021: Wentz demands a trade despite Pederson getting fired so he gets traded to the Colts. He plays better than last season but has an up n down season overall as he makes bone headed decisions during big moments. Gets covid while unvaccinated then plays like shit against Vegas and Jacksonville and loses both games when they only needed to win one of them to make playoffs. Colts miss playoffs and the Eagles make playoffs while having their first round pick due to Wentz playing 75% of his snaps 2022: gets traded to the Commanders with Isray talking shit about him. Commanders start 2-4 with him and he suffers a hand injury. This includes a game where the the Eagles sacked Wentz 9 times. Heinicke comes in and the team goes from 2-4 to 7-5 while the team plays better with him. They start losing and Wentz starts in a must win game against the Browns and throws 3 interceptions to get eliminated from the playoffs while the crowd boos him and starts clamoring for Heinicke. Meanwhile Hurts takes the Eagles back to the SB
Reading this makes it sound like he was the Madden cover athlete in 2017. Dude has SOME kind of curse.
Or he’s a bit of an asshole facing some consequences for it. Players don’t talk shit about teammates for no reason
Oh for sure. Not denying that at all. More so just remembering when he was THE GUY for us. I have a Wentz jersey that sits at the very back of my closet and I just kinda laugh when I see it peek out looking for a different one.
Same here. I don't want to wear my Wentz jersey outside in public...but I also don't want to throw it away. So it's sitting in my closet gathering dust. FML. haha
DIY it into an AJ Brown jersey
Every eagles fan myself included lol
I'm just going to take the nameplate off my 11 jersey. But I also have a smith 6 so I'm good. I also have a hurts bama jersey.
Jesus…. Like other guys have flamed out quickly( Josh Rosen) others have been extremely mediocre, others have been Ryan Leaf and Jamarcus Russel but I think Carson because of everything that has happened to him has the worst career luck ever. Like how could that not affect your mental love for the game
It doesn't really feel like bad luck to me. From everything I've seen and heard, he was fairly uncoachable and overly arrogant. He never really made any progress past his 2nd year.
Yeah I’m pretty neutral toward Wentz as a human but he’s shown a complete unwillingness to change as a player. It’s telling how locker rooms have felt about him I do think the clowney hit really derailed his career too though
I think watching his backup win the Super Bowl, Super Bowl MVP and have a statue erected in his honor did more damage to his brain than that Clowney hit.
Imagine having to walk past a statue of your backup everyday you come to work. Lmao. Definitely something that could fuck with your head. I wouldn’t want to have to do that either. But for $40+ million a year I would suck it up and not be a whiny bitch like he was.
Yeah. Everyone wants to blame the concussion but he had been sliding for two years before that at that point, outside of about 4 weeks vs terrible NFCE teams where Doug was cooking up a storm and making it easy on him.
>I do think the clowney hit really derailed his career too though I don't think this gets talked about enough. He was never the same after this hit. His reaction time fell off a cliff.
Yeah, I mean he has definitely had bad luck injury wise, and although some of that was due to not playing in a way to protect himself, even if he never got injured I think he probably would have peaked in his 2nd year. He just hasn't been able to take the next step in development despite multiple chances, and clearly is lacking on the leadership front in some way, based on how the teams around him have reacted to him.
The injuries coupled with the backups playing so well and taking his job are the bad luck. Poor play is on him.
I still can't agree. "his backups playing so well". The SB year, all of Philly remembered him as an mvp candidate that gave us a chance and put us in the position to win our first ever Superbowl. He made it possible for Foles and we all knew Wentz was the future. It was Wentz unwillingness to be coached that led to the eagles drafting Hurts in the first place. Then his garbage play that gave Hurts an opportunity. Then his garbage attitude that got him traded even after we were willing to fire the best coach we ever had for him. Edit: no doubt I agree the injuries were bad luck, but even that was due to him unwilling to learn and become a better and safer pocket QB.
> the best coach we ever had Not to pick nits, but I think Reid is an objectively better coach than douggy P
Reid is the better all time coach, Doug is the more loved coach in Philly. Although there's still a lot of love for Andy here too, most fans I know were rooting for him both times KC went to the Superbowl previously
People keep saying Wentz had the worst career luck ever but I keep thinking that's a recency bias. There have been other players including at other postions that arguably had better career highs relative to Wentz or were better at QB. As a QB, Andrew Luck had a shortened career due to a shit O-Line/injuries due to shit o-line and I'd argue he had more promise/skill than Wentz. Former Colts safety Bob Sanders, when healthy was arguably the best safety and a top 3 defensive player when healthy and won a SB for the Colts. He was made of glass and insanely injury prone so that went nowhere fast. There's probably a bunch of other players too who were probably better with better highs than Wentz. Everyone keeps forgetting how complete and good that Eagles team was and they didn't really need Wentz to be amazing, just good enough.
> I'd argue he had more promise/skill than Wentz. As close as an objective fact as you can get that Luck had more promise and skill than Wentz. Arguably the most promise of all time.
It also felt like Washington played much harder with Heinicke than Wentz.
Same exact story with Foles lol. “Wow this team just seems to play better with [insert Wentz’ backup]!” Lather rinse repeat
As a newer football fan, this was so informational and easy to read lol thanks
One addition I’d make to the 2022 picture was that Heinicke handed the Eagles their only loss of the season with Hurts behind center, which cemented him as the starter once Wentz was healthy. The level of irony there had to have hurt.
Wentz was better in 2018 than people remember. He improved his completion percentage from 60.2 to 69.6, his Y/A from 7.5 to 7.7, and his passer rating from 101.9 to 102.2. I’m a big believer in the theory that the back injury in 2018 ruined his career, not the ACL in 2017.
I believe the Clowney hit fucked him more than anything. He threw for over 4000 yards with a terrible WR room. Then we obviously saw what has happened after the Clowney hit
Sounds like the background story of the antagonist in a cliche football movie about the Eagles. Foles is the protagonist in the first movie. Hurts is the new one in the sequel.
Doug Pederson deserves so much fucking credit for this man. Typically when a HC is fired, you'd think it's because he hates the new QB the team is forcing on him, but him and Hurts sharing that moment was special. Also, nobody in NFL has guts to fire coaches like Eagles do. Holy hell.
At this point, I don't know how angry to get. Loved having Andy for a decade, but both Doug and Nick get to the big game in their second year.
Tbf starting year 3 Andy made the NFCCG every year and made the superbowl year 6. He also had fairly immediate improved results.
Even Chip Kelly was great for a year plus. It wasn’t until they made him GM too that shit went wonky. I don’t hate that they tried that experiment. Eagles coaches take a ton of shit, but we’ve had some really great ones under Lurie.
I'm convinced that same willingness to move on is also what keeps Ohio State relevant when every other blue blood has ups and downs.
This is the cowboys issue. If they would fire people when the flame has clearly ran out.
Doesn’t help they have had Jerruh as their GM for 30 years. And hopefully for another 30
Jerry Jones living to 120 years old now that would be a sight
you act like he wouldn't keep living out of pure spite
This comment doesn't make sense to me. Tressel resigned for NCAA violations, Fickell was an interim, Meyer did his quit for health reasons routine. None were fired for performance reasons. Meanwhile, Nebraska fires coaches who win 9 games and now just hope to be bowl eligible.
For every situation of team firing a good coach and sucking for decades, there's a situation like this where the dice are rolled and you come out out better as a result. This is why I will never fault a team for moving on. Sticking with the same thing and expecting different results never works. Happens in college football too. Nebraska fell off after firing Bo, while Georgia is now a back-to-back champion after firing Richt. Just how it goes.
Instructions unclear, retaining Jason Garrett for a decade
Probably the thing I give Lurie the most props for, it would have been very easy for him to bend the knee and give Doug whatever he wants due to him being a SB winning head coach and making playoffs 3/5 years but as soon as things looked like a disaster he said it was time to move on (same with Chip and Andy). Really glad it worked in Andy and Doug’s favor as well, a change of scenery and bringing in fresh minds does wonders
I’m convinced Wentz pissed of a gypsy and was cursed
That or getting speared in the back of the head.
Fuckin Clowney.
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or that /r/nfl didn’t think it was a dirty hit
I can totally believe that.
Yeah that was fucked
and tearing his ACL and fracturing a vertebra and spraining both ankles on the same play, still can’t stop laughing at that
Reminds me of Cody Parkey tearing all of his groins.
Think its a Holes situation and he's gotta start carrying kids up mountains.
But which kid there’s so many of them
Find an NFL player who can’t read
Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?
There are a lot of SEC kids in the nfl
“You will be guaranteed $66 million and a Super Bowl ring” “But I want the MVP” “BEGONE”
I'm not mad where it all eventually led to with Wentz, but man I kinda feel for the dude. I remember a time when all of us Birds fans would go to war for the guy.
His mega millions probably lessen the sting a bit
>Both Josh McCown exists.
McCown will forever be burned in my memory for how much he gave in that game. I don't think I've seen someone do so much on seemingly pure force of will.
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I have a Freddy Mitchell jersey in my closet for the same reason.
Nate Sudfeld 2027 SB appearance confirmed
no. he's our very special victory cigar boy now, and you can't have him back.
Once at the senior bowl Carson wentz declined to sign my football … I have enjoyed the slow burn pain that has been his career
My cousin was working on his house when he was in Philly and met him, said he was a huge dick but he later apologized for his behavior
I’ll give him a pass there. Building a house turns anyone into a dick.
Yeah for sure he apologized so that’s cool at least, I’m sure a lot of guys wouldn’t
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Fuckkkk Ben Simmons
Carson gets a lot of hate it seems. I don't know how Carson is as a human being, but when I saw his facial expressions while BDN was balling out it became obvious he just might be a bad teammate.
He went behind Pedersen's back to get him fired (as Pedersen was ready to move on to Hurts). The Eagles then traded him anyway. Carson Wentz is a piece of shit and deserves all the hate he gets and much more.
I remember seeing a video during the SB trophy presentation that stayed on Wentz the whole time. After he passed off the trophy to Foles, Wentz walked off the platform and looked like he just lost a family member. He was deflated after that
It will be hilarious if one of the hyped prospects at qb drops and the Eagles scoop him up As long as the Eagles have a quarterback who can stand being used in the running game, their running game with their current offensive line coach / run game coordinator will be nearly unstoppable.
I think they like Jalen as a person too much to not have him try to lead the franchise but there’s something to be said for the injury risk and cap space allocation working in tandem to make it a risky signing.
Never understood the Colts giving him 1 year and then dumping him…for Matt Ryan, no less…
Coming off Rivers there was an argument to be made that the roster was still "a QB away" and Reich was convinced he was the guy to target. Based on the scuttlebutt I read it sounds like Wentz didn't have his heart in things during the season and sealed his fate with the choke job against the Jags. Plus anyone who watched some Colts games that year can tell you his performance was underwhelming when compared with his statlines. And based on how he regressed further this year I'd say we were correct to go one and done with him. As far as the Matt Ryan experience, really the issue there is Ballard falling into the trap that we were *still* (somehow) only a QB away. What is so dumb is Ballard was taking this conservative tack of bandaid QBs and drafting BPA instead of rebuilding properly with a new QB. He was afraid to draft one because it could cost him his job. He's more or less said as much. And while he made the correct assessment that the conservative approach kept his job (fuck that), it absolutely fucked the team over in terms of long term health.
Wentz seriously wasn’t that bad with the Colts I thought. They would’ve been substantially better this year had they kept him
With their draft position now, them being better with Wentz would probably do more damage to the Colts. Indy bottoming out right now is the best thing for the franchise going forward. That team was a mess, does Wentz help them go 6-11 instead? There'd be no point really.
He was actually pretty terrible. The stats are a bit deceptive. There were not many turnovers but that's because of how conservative he was and the turnovers he had we're at terrible times and at times with his left hand. Aside from maybe the Arizona game, there wasn't one time where it felt like "we won because of Wentz". It was way more than the Jags game. It took like 50 attempts against Tennessee to throw for 230 yards and 2 picks, he consistently missed open guys (see the raiders game). We were better off giving the ball to Taylor and hoping he busted a run than throwing in a 2 minute drill situation. He would not have won us anymore games with the oline Ryan had. Ryan was shellshocked and finished even if the libe improved a smidge by years end.
That Colts team walked into Orchard Park and fucking curb stomped us.
That was the game of JT’s life tho…150 yards and 4 TDs I think
Hey brother sometimes you gotta do what’s right for the franchise brother, long term planning be damned brother we have the recipe for success and it’s in the bathroom let me go grab it
Check out this guy, repping the The City of Brotherly Brothers over here
Should we check on this guy? He's been in the bathroom for a weirdly long time.
Easy to say now but all those preseason division winner predictions had the colts winning the afc south. Even the jags subreddit picked the colts to win.
Carson Wentz one post season pass completion no post season win. none and done.
To be fair they only made it to the super bowl because wentz helped them to win the NFC conference that year. If it was a full foles year I question whether that would've happened.
If it was a full Wentz playoffs I question whether they would have won the super bowl
What happened with Wentz? Was it all injury-related? He was playing at an MVP level with Philly and then barely heard his name again after that.
Injury regression, refusing to change his play style, the Super Bowl run/Nick Foles broke his brain
I think Clowney broke his brain.
Seriously though. That Clowney hit was the beginning of the end.
250+ pounds speared him in the back of the head.
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I look back at Wentz highlights and even in 2017 his mechanics are cringey to watch.
He was one of the least accurate QBs in the league, and at some point his luck ran out.
Part of the hype had to be from him going to a smaller school. There’s always these QBs from small colleges who get hyped up, since scouts see them stunt on weaker competition. It’s possible he was deemed better than he actually was pre-draft
Wentz killed it the season of super bowl 52 until he got hurt then foles led us the rest of the way
Carson Wentz could still throw a football over them mountains. If Coach had just put him in...would've won the Ultra Bowl
And people say Carson Wentz is not a good guy, dude has an amazing tree
"I lead others to a treasure I can never possess" - Carson Wents
Forever a bridesmaid...
Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice
Can you connect him to bledsoe?
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I’m mixed up r/nfl had me believing the refs led us to the super bowl not Jalen
The refs called a shitty game. But San Francisco wasn't winning that game regardless. Not with all 4 quarterbacks on the roster injured. People are mad at the officiating in both games and they should be, but nobody thinks the Eagles lose if the game is officiated properly. It still ends in a blowout