It clicked for them when they drafted Roman Wilson to dominate the middle of the field as a slot and then realized that Russell Wilson can't see the middle of the field anyway
Fully ready for it. Last year we had to win a week 15 game against the two win pats to basically make the playoffs (or keep our chances high). Russ shit the bed along with the team for the most part. Same scenario will come up in Pittsburg except TJ watt will put the entire team on his back and force them to win. No matter how many times Russ tries to take a sack
I don't think they forget that at all, I just don't think you can force it in the draft. Teams know how valuable those positions are so they're usually overdrafted which means you have to *really* reach sometimes to get them.
Just because you draft a guy in the 3rd doesn't mean he's going to be good.
On ESPN they asked him about his QBs and while he said Russ was in "pole position" it seemed like there might be a QB competition if Russ can't completely run away with it
He is better by a huge margin. Y'all didn't watch Fields every week. You cannot fathom how bad he is. He is worse than Russ at EVERYTHING except running. He throws more picks. Completes fewer passes. Takes more sacks. Fumbles more. He's genuinely awful. There is a very good reason he was traded for almost the same amount as Zach Wilson.
"But Russ wasn't traded" because he made a bajillion dollars. Russ is an infinitely better QB than Fields. Fields is terrible. There are Bears fans that want to pretend he's not. Maybe not anymore, now that we drafted Caleb and they can move on, but he's really, really fucking bad.
In three years Fields turned the ball over 55 times. He put up 54 touchdowns. In two years Russ at least gave you 47TD and only turned it over 29 times. The last two years Fields took sacks on 12.6% of his dropbacks. Russ took sacks on 9.7%.
Maybe Russ isn't good anymore, but he's a playable NFL caliber starting QB. Fields just isn't. He's genuinely very bad.
I agree with most but you haven't seen Russ play either. The dude is genuinely terrible at seeing the field and is ultra conservative. I think as pure passer I agree with you but Fields running makes it little closer.
The rushing doesn't make it close. Fields last year lead the team to 21.8 point per game. Russ last year lead the Broncos to 22.8 points per game.
The Bears had a better team around Fields than the Broncos had around Russ. And that's pretty easy to see, in the two games the Broncos played without Russ they scored an average of 15 points.
Without Fields the Bears put up 19 points per game in four games. Fields sucks. He's so bad that a rookie undrafted QB stepped in, sucked ass, and still managed to score as many points as him. Because while Bagent threw a bunch of picks, he didn't fumble the ball, and he didn't take sacks.
Fields does not throw touchdowns. He does not complete passes. He does not avoid sacks. He fumbles constantly. He's awful.
The Steelers are going to win 12 games with Russ this year. Because Russ wasn't the Broncos biggest issue (other than him eating all your money, which he's still doing). Russ is not great, but I guarantee you if Fields had the exact same season Russ had Bears fans would be calling Fields the GOAT, and we wouldn't have drafted Williams.
Everything Russ is bad at: Fields is worse at. Literally EVERYTHING. The only thing Fields has on Russ is he's a bit better as a runner. But he makes up for that by being so, so, so bad at everything else.
I can assure you, Russ is significantly better than Fields. And I actually did watch both. I watched 10 Broncos games started by Russ this year because I had Jeudy making me miserable all year in fantasy football. I have seen way more Russ and Fields than most people. And it's not even remotely close how much better Russ is than Fields.
Do a remind me 6 months. Late October this year? The narrative is going to be Tomlin "fixed" Russ. There'll be a million articles about how much better things are, how much better a fit Tomlin and Russ are than Russ and Payton, etc. There will be almost no meaningful difference in his play. He'll be the same solid but unspectacular guy he's been for ages. The same one who didn't deserve MVP votes and never got them. But he'll be on a team that's much better, and he'll be leading them to wins with his conservative but efficient play.
His playstyle is great if your team has a great defense, and solid offensive weapons. It's really fucking bad if you need him to be the reason you're winning.
As someone who watched a lot of the Broncos last year (I live on the west coast and get Broncos games locally a lot), Russ was better than Fields. He definitely had his struggles last year and I am not saying he's a great QB, but I actually think he was solid with a substandard running game (Never been a big Javonte Williams fan and it was rough coming off the leg injury IMO) and struggling defense. Of course he's now 36, so further decline is more than plausible.
QB skills of even Gardner Minshew with those legs would be awesome.
The fact the Raiders wanted Minshew over Fields kind of suggests they would much rather have Fields if he could throw at least as good as reliable back-up QB Gardner Minshew.
Was going to say, Russ has always been criticized for holding onto the ball too long and taking extra sacks.
Now he still does all those things and has also lost a step.
It’ll be interesting to see whether Pittsburgh either rehabs Wilson or somehow figures out a way to develop Fields.
I think this draft was designed to give Russ that extra time to look downfield. We’ll see if it pans out, but i don’t think anyone would dispute that his arm is still live.
Bullshit
over the past two years:
Josh Allen had 32 interceptions
Mahomes had 26
Sam Howell had 22
Jalen Hurts had 21
Justin Fields had 20
Russell Wilson had 19
Kirk Cousins had 19
[https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/passing/2023/reg/all/passinginterceptions/desc](https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/passing/2023/reg/all/passinginterceptions/desc)
[https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/passing/2022/reg/all/passinginterceptions/desc](https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/passing/2022/reg/all/passinginterceptions/desc)
The fact that his passing stats are so mediocre while the defenses he’s facing are theoretically giving a lot of respect to his running ability speaks volumes. What’s going to happen when he loses a step
Dont know how much better he is, but I do think he can be decent in an Arthur Smith offense
Theyll run the crap out of the ball, then have him heave deep balls off of play action down the sidelines. Russ can still do that.
Now Payton has ANOTHER excuse for broncos failures this upcoming year because who expects the rookie QB picked 6th would have a great year?
This dude spends more time building excuses than the does making winning teams lol.
And I think you probably (for good reason) didn't watch a lot of denver games if you thought russ was living up to his $50m a year price tag. I don't blame you but I don't see how anyone could watch his play for us and be like yeah they should keep him on through 2026 at 50m a year
I mean, if he really was playing that well none of that matters. But in Amy case, he actually didn't play up to those numbers. You can ask any Demver fan.
He needs recievers though. At the moment we're kind of ligbht in that category unless Pickens and the rookie step up. It really looks like we're developing a running team right now.
I am interested to seeif it works. Let’s say for arguments sake that the oline moves work out. Can bully ball be dominant again in a league that has maybe overcorrected to being lighter, faster, and more pass friendly?
There's definitely still some free agents who could help out, although I don't know if the Steelers will go for them. Hunter Renfrow is IMO overrated, but he would fit well across from George Pickens as a route running specialist. Combine that with fast Roman Wilson and while not a strong WR room it feels like it'd work out. Tyler Boyd or Russell Gage IMO would also be pretty nice on your team, Boyd more outside and more physical than those options (I'd say the best player) but older and might cost more. Gage is a pretty nice short yardage and middle of the field guy to pair with big Pickens and speedy Roman Wilson. Would at least round the room out.
Yeah, we're at a severe lack of WRs. Great that we're potentially fixing the OL issues... but it really doesn't help if the QB has no one to throw it to.
Kind of I guess… he was only given two seasons though when he was young and he’s still just a mid range kind of guy. Can you win a Super Bowl with Geno Smith? Maybe if you’re the 2000 Ravens or a little worse.
Maybe I’m quibbling on the 2 vs 3 year thing, but I think that’s the sample size and development time a QB needs to really know. Players can still improve, but it seems like all big leaps happen in those first three years.
Have you seen our QB's the last few years? The corpse of Ben, Kissing T's, and Trump Hands at QB were enough to drive a Mormon to drinking. When Mason Rudolph looks like the best of the bunch, then Justin Fields ain't that bad.
Russ prefers hero ball…so I’m guessing Fields will likely be the starter by week 7-8.
I’m also certain fields is much better than people think. He wasn’t exactly surrounded by talent in Chicago.
I used to think Fields was better than people thought, but then I saw every NFL team value him at a conditional 4th at best and I realized maybe I don't know what I'm talking about.
Gardner Minshew is literally worth more to teams than Fields is, and nobody thinks Minshew is a legit starter.
There were Bears fans saying he's in the 15-20 range, and he wasn't even in the 15-20 range when half the league were playing backups. He was still one of the worst QBs in the league. Maybe he can still be coached, maybe he needs to spend more time on film. I don't know. His shortcomings are not physical. I like to think of him as a rookie going to Pittsburgh, because he never grasped the speed of the game like his buddy CJ.
What? Last year they went in with one good wideout and people were just hoping DJ Moore would given Fields a Josh Allen/Jalen Hurts/Tua Tagovailoa style burst. They added both Keenan Allen and Rome Odunze. And D'andre Swift if we really care about that.
I don't disagree Fields is unlikely to do much but no way was it the best situation for a rookie QB.
It absolutely was not last year. They had one good wr. It’s the best situation for Caleb because they added Keenan Allen, Odunze, and fired their trash OC. It’s a completely different situation
Lol couldnt get kenny any help though. Feel bad for the kid. Yeah he probably doesn’t have it, but they didn’t exactly put him in a position to succeed either.
Maybe if you didnt start a rookie with an inept oc and and an absolute joke of a line he would have had a fighting chance. Rookies need an opportunity to build confidence. I mean hes probably not gonna make it as a starter, but that was F- development is my point and im a huge fan of tomlin.
I've argued this point a bunch in this sub and in the Steelers sub. I've been catching downvotes for it in the Steelers sub after Pickett got traded to Philly. Like you said Tomlin every mistake in the book while developing Pickett. It's funny that the first and only full game without Matt Canada almost all of the things Pickett was critisized for were gone and his confidence was back. He also had his best game of his NFL career then.
I was excited to see what he would do with Arthur Smith who I think has a scheme that fits Pickett, since he's good out of playaction and throwing it to TEs.
Yeah i just felt bad watching the whole thing. Like maybe he doesn’t have what it takes anyway, but like the whole thing was just exactly what you arent supposed to do. I mean a lot of it was just they were in an awful bind roster wise, but like just tank with trubisky and fix it first. Kenny died for tomlins winning streak lol.
Yeah, you should have either during Kenny's rookie season let him be the QB1 from the start or wait until at least the bye week to put him in so that he has an extra week of practice with the starters to increase the chemistry. Not put him in at half time with no reps with the starters and against a stretch of the toughest defenses a QB would face during the 2022 season.
Matt Canada should've definitely been fired after Pickett's rookie season. During the second season Tomlin should've let Pickett play when he was healthy to see what he could for more than the one without one of the worst OCs in recent memory.
Now I have to watch a washed up Russell Wilson and a sure fire bust in Justin Fields if nothing drastic happens. I'm not excited for the changes, but our fanbase seems to love them. The biggest problem like you said is that Tomlin will never tank even if it would make sense longterm. He will always try and stay competetive shortterm, which in this case leads to not having any future at the QB position right now.
At least we're building an Oline for our next QB, because Pickett didn't have a good one.
What he really meant:
> Arthur Smith is our offensive coordinator.
They're trying to make sure the line is loaded up so that they can run as much as he wants to.
Not how I tried to convey it.
You can say a lot of things about Arthur Smith's offenses in the past, but they were tough and they ran the ball a lot. For that kind of scheme, he got a lot of production from it. Will be interesting to see how he does with your guys' passing game, but that hasn't been great since Big Ben anyway.
So for me at least, I am not looking forward to the Steelers with Arthur Smith. To me, so many linemen is them at least trying to put him in a place to succeed.
He had a dream where an oracle told him he would just have to get some OLiners and Wilson to win the superbowl.
So he went ahead and got all the Wilsons and O Liners that he could get.
Little did he know, the Wilson he really needed was Zach!
Okay, I may have had a bit too much alcohol...sorry
"I worry that what you head was 'bring me a lot of O Liners and Wilsons.' What I said was 'Bring me all of the O Liners and Wilsons you have.' Do you understand?"
Games are won in the trenches. With the season being longer, Line Depth is absolutely vital or you're just gonna get murdered in the playoffs.
49ers OL let them down in the SB last year, Bengals got Burrow killed in 2021, Chiefs OL in 2020 was decimated and they got blown out by a team they'd beat during the season.
if your OL/DL aren't top 20ish of the league and you're drafting other positions you're probably fucked.
Only been yelling at the screen for 20 years and it finally happened. Especially without a big body qb like big to make up the difference a big ass line is a must. Fuck the wide recievers those are a dime a dozen. The running game with a line will explode. We don't have Bettis who was his own lineman.
I know Russell Wilson is there, but....if I had one of the most dangerous running threats from the QB position ever on my team.... I know I'd be drafting a shit ton of OL.
I actually think with the new hip drop rule and the new kick off combined with the trend of lighter nickel defenses to defend the pass.... running teams are going to feast again.
I'm personally excited to see someone try to tackle Derrick Henry on an off tackle run without going into his legs lol.
He finally met Russell and realized he needs to commit to the run.
It clicked for them when they drafted Roman Wilson to dominate the middle of the field as a slot and then realized that Russell Wilson can't see the middle of the field anyway
[удалено]
I was just a skinny back, Never knew knew good blocks from bad
Why you gotta remind me of Dri Archer?
No, we want big gaping holes
Steelers Country, let’s gape.
It’s got a ring to it.
AFCNorth Football
Drafting 3 linemen & Haloti and his family basically saying fuck you to the Steelers… AFC North football is amazing and for the sickos
The current way lions are run they are the long lost cousin or something
DC is a Bill Cowher regen
Si
I actually laughed out loud when he had his sons say that on stage lol
That got a big pop out of me.
Wut
Drafting 3 linemen & Haloti and his family basically saying fuck you to the Steelers… AFC North football is amazing and for the sickos
WHAAAT
Mike Tomlin on why he's going to Electric Daisy Carnival: "We just wanna roll, people."
Mike Tomlin on why he's going to Cinnabon: "We just wanna roll, people."
Mike Tomlin on storming the cockpit: "We just gonna lets roll, people."
Steeler country let’s roll
This sounds like rock and/or roll!
In the Garden of Eden BAABBBYYY!
This isn't horrible actually
Russ about to Roll right into the defenders arms.
lol you ready to watch russ take this steelers team to the playoffs handing it off every other snap.
Kenny Pickett and Mason Rudolph took us to the playoffs. I’m 10000% sure Russ can, lmfao
Fully ready for it. Last year we had to win a week 15 game against the two win pats to basically make the playoffs (or keep our chances high). Russ shit the bed along with the team for the most part. Same scenario will come up in Pittsburg except TJ watt will put the entire team on his back and force them to win. No matter how many times Russ tries to take a sack
No, that's Fields
DO A BARREL ROLL
I would draft at least 1 every single year as a gm
I always feel rounds 1-3 you need to take an OL somewhere there. Cost effective and it’s crucial
Either them or DL every other year that high is a valuable strategy
If you can't win the trenches, you can't win big games. Football is that simple and teams year after year forget that.
I don't think they forget that at all, I just don't think you can force it in the draft. Teams know how valuable those positions are so they're usually overdrafted which means you have to *really* reach sometimes to get them. Just because you draft a guy in the 3rd doesn't mean he's going to be good.
I have to protect my team
It's 22% of the team so that's probably under average.
And in terms of snap count, it's significantly higher.
Katamari offense
"we want to avoid letting russ pass at all costs"
On ESPN they asked him about his QBs and while he said Russ was in "pole position" it seemed like there might be a QB competition if Russ can't completely run away with it
Is he aware that Fields is…not good
Neither is modern day Russ
I still feel Russ is better though not by a huge margin.
He is better by a huge margin. Y'all didn't watch Fields every week. You cannot fathom how bad he is. He is worse than Russ at EVERYTHING except running. He throws more picks. Completes fewer passes. Takes more sacks. Fumbles more. He's genuinely awful. There is a very good reason he was traded for almost the same amount as Zach Wilson. "But Russ wasn't traded" because he made a bajillion dollars. Russ is an infinitely better QB than Fields. Fields is terrible. There are Bears fans that want to pretend he's not. Maybe not anymore, now that we drafted Caleb and they can move on, but he's really, really fucking bad. In three years Fields turned the ball over 55 times. He put up 54 touchdowns. In two years Russ at least gave you 47TD and only turned it over 29 times. The last two years Fields took sacks on 12.6% of his dropbacks. Russ took sacks on 9.7%. Maybe Russ isn't good anymore, but he's a playable NFL caliber starting QB. Fields just isn't. He's genuinely very bad.
I agree with most but you haven't seen Russ play either. The dude is genuinely terrible at seeing the field and is ultra conservative. I think as pure passer I agree with you but Fields running makes it little closer.
The rushing doesn't make it close. Fields last year lead the team to 21.8 point per game. Russ last year lead the Broncos to 22.8 points per game. The Bears had a better team around Fields than the Broncos had around Russ. And that's pretty easy to see, in the two games the Broncos played without Russ they scored an average of 15 points. Without Fields the Bears put up 19 points per game in four games. Fields sucks. He's so bad that a rookie undrafted QB stepped in, sucked ass, and still managed to score as many points as him. Because while Bagent threw a bunch of picks, he didn't fumble the ball, and he didn't take sacks. Fields does not throw touchdowns. He does not complete passes. He does not avoid sacks. He fumbles constantly. He's awful. The Steelers are going to win 12 games with Russ this year. Because Russ wasn't the Broncos biggest issue (other than him eating all your money, which he's still doing). Russ is not great, but I guarantee you if Fields had the exact same season Russ had Bears fans would be calling Fields the GOAT, and we wouldn't have drafted Williams. Everything Russ is bad at: Fields is worse at. Literally EVERYTHING. The only thing Fields has on Russ is he's a bit better as a runner. But he makes up for that by being so, so, so bad at everything else. I can assure you, Russ is significantly better than Fields. And I actually did watch both. I watched 10 Broncos games started by Russ this year because I had Jeudy making me miserable all year in fantasy football. I have seen way more Russ and Fields than most people. And it's not even remotely close how much better Russ is than Fields. Do a remind me 6 months. Late October this year? The narrative is going to be Tomlin "fixed" Russ. There'll be a million articles about how much better things are, how much better a fit Tomlin and Russ are than Russ and Payton, etc. There will be almost no meaningful difference in his play. He'll be the same solid but unspectacular guy he's been for ages. The same one who didn't deserve MVP votes and never got them. But he'll be on a team that's much better, and he'll be leading them to wins with his conservative but efficient play. His playstyle is great if your team has a great defense, and solid offensive weapons. It's really fucking bad if you need him to be the reason you're winning.
RemindMe! 6 months "Russ not sucking"
As someone who watched a lot of the Broncos last year (I live on the west coast and get Broncos games locally a lot), Russ was better than Fields. He definitely had his struggles last year and I am not saying he's a great QB, but I actually think he was solid with a substandard running game (Never been a big Javonte Williams fan and it was rough coming off the leg injury IMO) and struggling defense. Of course he's now 36, so further decline is more than plausible.
Fields is fast. So there's that.
He’s fast at running… he’s slow af at everything else. Processing, going through progressions, throwing motion, holding onto the ball, etc.
Why doesn't Fields simply just have the QB skills of Manning, Brady, & Marino. Is he stupid?
QB skills of even Gardner Minshew with those legs would be awesome. The fact the Raiders wanted Minshew over Fields kind of suggests they would much rather have Fields if he could throw at least as good as reliable back-up QB Gardner Minshew.
Minshew is a reliable backup. Low ceiling, high floor. Fields is a wildcard to say the least.
Though about the sane as old man Russ at this point
Was going to say, Russ has always been criticized for holding onto the ball too long and taking extra sacks. Now he still does all those things and has also lost a step. It’ll be interesting to see whether Pittsburgh either rehabs Wilson or somehow figures out a way to develop Fields.
I think this draft was designed to give Russ that extra time to look downfield. We’ll see if it pans out, but i don’t think anyone would dispute that his arm is still live.
The QBs with the most sacks, INTs, fumbles (combined) over the past two seasons are…. Fields and Russ.
Bullshit over the past two years: Josh Allen had 32 interceptions Mahomes had 26 Sam Howell had 22 Jalen Hurts had 21 Justin Fields had 20 Russell Wilson had 19 Kirk Cousins had 19 [https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/passing/2023/reg/all/passinginterceptions/desc](https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/passing/2023/reg/all/passinginterceptions/desc) [https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/passing/2022/reg/all/passinginterceptions/desc](https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/passing/2022/reg/all/passinginterceptions/desc)
The fact that his passing stats are so mediocre while the defenses he’s facing are theoretically giving a lot of respect to his running ability speaks volumes. What’s going to happen when he loses a step
Dont know how much better he is, but I do think he can be decent in an Arthur Smith offense Theyll run the crap out of the ball, then have him heave deep balls off of play action down the sidelines. Russ can still do that.
He threw 26 TDs in the NFL last year dude
Then Denver must have been confused when they cut him.
I think Payton just wanted a scapegoat and Russel was the most obvious choice.
Exactly that too. And he wasn’t Payton’s QB he was Hacketts etc etc. politics
Now Payton has ANOTHER excuse for broncos failures this upcoming year because who expects the rookie QB picked 6th would have a great year? This dude spends more time building excuses than the does making winning teams lol.
Facts lmao
And I think you probably (for good reason) didn't watch a lot of denver games if you thought russ was living up to his $50m a year price tag. I don't blame you but I don't see how anyone could watch his play for us and be like yeah they should keep him on through 2026 at 50m a year
They cut him cause of the injury clause? And the playoff chances were low so he got benched cause of the injury clause too
This. They didn’t cut him because he was bad. They cut him because he wasn’t worth his albatross of a contract.
Yeah exactly. People will really take a narrative and run with it lmao
I mean, if he really was playing that well none of that matters. But in Amy case, he actually didn't play up to those numbers. You can ask any Demver fan.
Hey man, your N key alright?
As apposed to current day Russel Wilson?
I mean Russ can give you 3000 25 and 8.
He needs recievers though. At the moment we're kind of ligbht in that category unless Pickens and the rookie step up. It really looks like we're developing a running team right now.
I am interested to seeif it works. Let’s say for arguments sake that the oline moves work out. Can bully ball be dominant again in a league that has maybe overcorrected to being lighter, faster, and more pass friendly?
Bring back the wing t offense cowards.
There's definitely still some free agents who could help out, although I don't know if the Steelers will go for them. Hunter Renfrow is IMO overrated, but he would fit well across from George Pickens as a route running specialist. Combine that with fast Roman Wilson and while not a strong WR room it feels like it'd work out. Tyler Boyd or Russell Gage IMO would also be pretty nice on your team, Boyd more outside and more physical than those options (I'd say the best player) but older and might cost more. Gage is a pretty nice short yardage and middle of the field guy to pair with big Pickens and speedy Roman Wilson. Would at least round the room out.
Yeah, we're at a severe lack of WRs. Great that we're potentially fixing the OL issues... but it really doesn't help if the QB has no one to throw it to.
Hey good QBs bounce back sometimes, I can’t think of any 3 year busts that suddenly became good. But yea, fair point
Geno Smith comes to mind
Kind of I guess… he was only given two seasons though when he was young and he’s still just a mid range kind of guy. Can you win a Super Bowl with Geno Smith? Maybe if you’re the 2000 Ravens or a little worse. Maybe I’m quibbling on the 2 vs 3 year thing, but I think that’s the sample size and development time a QB needs to really know. Players can still improve, but it seems like all big leaps happen in those first three years.
Compared to Fields he is
Have you seen our QB's the last few years? The corpse of Ben, Kissing T's, and Trump Hands at QB were enough to drive a Mormon to drinking. When Mason Rudolph looks like the best of the bunch, then Justin Fields ain't that bad.
If you added him to that group he’s middle of the pack
Russ prefers hero ball…so I’m guessing Fields will likely be the starter by week 7-8. I’m also certain fields is much better than people think. He wasn’t exactly surrounded by talent in Chicago.
I used to think Fields was better than people thought, but then I saw every NFL team value him at a conditional 4th at best and I realized maybe I don't know what I'm talking about. Gardner Minshew is literally worth more to teams than Fields is, and nobody thinks Minshew is a legit starter.
There were Bears fans saying he's in the 15-20 range, and he wasn't even in the 15-20 range when half the league were playing backups. He was still one of the worst QBs in the league. Maybe he can still be coached, maybe he needs to spend more time on film. I don't know. His shortcomings are not physical. I like to think of him as a rookie going to Pittsburgh, because he never grasped the speed of the game like his buddy CJ.
People are calling the Bears the best situation for a rookie QB of all time. He had plenty of talent, even without Keenan
“Best situation for a rookie qb” that wasn’t the situation Fields had
It was last year and he was still cheeks. The 6th we gave up for him was too much imo
What? Last year they went in with one good wideout and people were just hoping DJ Moore would given Fields a Josh Allen/Jalen Hurts/Tua Tagovailoa style burst. They added both Keenan Allen and Rome Odunze. And D'andre Swift if we really care about that. I don't disagree Fields is unlikely to do much but no way was it the best situation for a rookie QB.
It absolutely was not last year. They had one good wr. It’s the best situation for Caleb because they added Keenan Allen, Odunze, and fired their trash OC. It’s a completely different situation
Najee szn baby
How much I would have given to have Kyle shanahan have the same attitude
That's my coach
Lol couldnt get kenny any help though. Feel bad for the kid. Yeah he probably doesn’t have it, but they didn’t exactly put him in a position to succeed either.
Maybe if he averaged more than half a touchdown per game he'd still be the starter
Maybe if you didnt start a rookie with an inept oc and and an absolute joke of a line he would have had a fighting chance. Rookies need an opportunity to build confidence. I mean hes probably not gonna make it as a starter, but that was F- development is my point and im a huge fan of tomlin.
I mean it's not like he showed any flashes of hidden talent that was wasted
I've argued this point a bunch in this sub and in the Steelers sub. I've been catching downvotes for it in the Steelers sub after Pickett got traded to Philly. Like you said Tomlin every mistake in the book while developing Pickett. It's funny that the first and only full game without Matt Canada almost all of the things Pickett was critisized for were gone and his confidence was back. He also had his best game of his NFL career then. I was excited to see what he would do with Arthur Smith who I think has a scheme that fits Pickett, since he's good out of playaction and throwing it to TEs.
Yeah i just felt bad watching the whole thing. Like maybe he doesn’t have what it takes anyway, but like the whole thing was just exactly what you arent supposed to do. I mean a lot of it was just they were in an awful bind roster wise, but like just tank with trubisky and fix it first. Kenny died for tomlins winning streak lol.
Yeah, you should have either during Kenny's rookie season let him be the QB1 from the start or wait until at least the bye week to put him in so that he has an extra week of practice with the starters to increase the chemistry. Not put him in at half time with no reps with the starters and against a stretch of the toughest defenses a QB would face during the 2022 season. Matt Canada should've definitely been fired after Pickett's rookie season. During the second season Tomlin should've let Pickett play when he was healthy to see what he could for more than the one without one of the worst OCs in recent memory. Now I have to watch a washed up Russell Wilson and a sure fire bust in Justin Fields if nothing drastic happens. I'm not excited for the changes, but our fanbase seems to love them. The biggest problem like you said is that Tomlin will never tank even if it would make sense longterm. He will always try and stay competetive shortterm, which in this case leads to not having any future at the QB position right now. At least we're building an Oline for our next QB, because Pickett didn't have a good one.
What he really meant: > Arthur Smith is our offensive coordinator. They're trying to make sure the line is loaded up so that they can run as much as he wants to.
You say that like it's not Tomlins wet dream to have a team with an elite defense and top 5 run game controlling the ball for 42 minutes
Not how I tried to convey it. You can say a lot of things about Arthur Smith's offenses in the past, but they were tough and they ran the ball a lot. For that kind of scheme, he got a lot of production from it. Will be interesting to see how he does with your guys' passing game, but that hasn't been great since Big Ben anyway. So for me at least, I am not looking forward to the Steelers with Arthur Smith. To me, so many linemen is them at least trying to put him in a place to succeed.
Somebody once told me The world is gonna roll me
getting flashbacks to Week 17
He had a dream where an oracle told him he would just have to get some OLiners and Wilson to win the superbowl. So he went ahead and got all the Wilsons and O Liners that he could get. Little did he know, the Wilson he really needed was Zach! Okay, I may have had a bit too much alcohol...sorry
"I worry that what you head was 'bring me a lot of O Liners and Wilsons.' What I said was 'Bring me all of the O Liners and Wilsons you have.' Do you understand?"
That explains why we doubled down and got Roman Wilson.
It sounds to me like they will be using the no huddle and their ground game to wear out defenses and set up the occasional QB run.
ROLL OUT
I think every team should Arizona is doing that now we were second in YPC just wearing teams down. It makes everyones job way easier.
Yeah but hopefully nobody looks at Arizona, gets the wrong idea and then relocates to Utah.
I'd prefer they not draft anyone and only use UDFAs and guys off the street. No reason or anything.
Can’t wait for Russ to pass at the goal line
well, if they're gonna roll with russ and fields, they're gonna have to beat the shit out of people with the run
I’m no NFL coach, but I feel like that sounds harder than just pushing them backwards like the other teams are trying to do?
3 of the final 4 teams (KC, DET, BAL) all with some of the top o lines in the league, I think he might be on to something
Games are won in the trenches. With the season being longer, Line Depth is absolutely vital or you're just gonna get murdered in the playoffs. 49ers OL let them down in the SB last year, Bengals got Burrow killed in 2021, Chiefs OL in 2020 was decimated and they got blown out by a team they'd beat during the season. if your OL/DL aren't top 20ish of the league and you're drafting other positions you're probably fucked.
Only been yelling at the screen for 20 years and it finally happened. Especially without a big body qb like big to make up the difference a big ass line is a must. Fuck the wide recievers those are a dime a dozen. The running game with a line will explode. We don't have Bettis who was his own lineman.
I know Russell Wilson is there, but....if I had one of the most dangerous running threats from the QB position ever on my team.... I know I'd be drafting a shit ton of OL.
“Have you seen our QB’s sack numbers”.
"Did you see how much Russell and Justin were sacked the past few years? That's why"
Simple as
It was a good draft for the offensive line, and not as great of a draft for some other positions. It makes sense.
I actually think with the new hip drop rule and the new kick off combined with the trend of lighter nickel defenses to defend the pass.... running teams are going to feast again. I'm personally excited to see someone try to tackle Derrick Henry on an off tackle run without going into his legs lol.
I’m excited for Fields to have an oline
Like Big Ben in a bathroom!
I wish we had better options at QB. No way we win ten games with Russ or Fields.