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DillyDillySzn

25.6 million for a kick returner is a steal What are the Steelers doing


Sharcbait

NBA type of numbers lol. "4 years 130m? Well he is our 7th best player, that's just what they go for now"


OnCominStorm

I remember when teams first started paying 15+ m/yr for bench players and everyone was calling it insane overpays and now it'd be a bargain to get a good bench player at that rate


wallace6464

the best player in the nba making 4/80 wasn't that long ago


blucke

it’s crazy. also people started recognizing how important having a deep bench is


lamboat2019

The Bucks didn't get the memo this year. You know its bad when Danilo Gallinari gets meaningful minutes in the playoffs


SwampassMonstar

Tobias Harris. 40 million dollars. played 29 minutes in Game 6. 0 for 2 shooting. O points. Good riddance thank God he is gone


Maeserk

Granted you only gotta pay like 15 dudes + ur 2 way contracts in the NBA, with how popular it is, no wonder even the grinders are getting paid. Just waiting for Drew Eubanks to crack 8 figs.


JustGotPaidrian

My man, the old Trout from Shaqdale


Towntalk

That’s mozgov money


Jeff__Skilling

mozgov money...


jihyoisgod2

Tobias Harris contract


originalusername4567

Does NBA not have a salary cap or is it just much higher?


velocirappa

It's a "soft cap," but really it's that you only pay 15 players.


originalusername4567

Oh yeah, I didn't think about that actually. Much smaller squads in Basketball


TheHalf

#pantherscharity


Goatgamer1016

I found out about through the Facebook NFL Memes page, and was like wtf? And I haven't actively used FB in 3 years


HopefulStretch9771

2021 QB class is struggling


jeIIyjams

Next you’re gonna tell me the Jags are declining Mac’s fifth year option


ketherick

If they don't want to be the subject of a diss track they'll reconsider


AdolescentAlien

Have any Mac Jones tracks surfaced on the internet yet? I’m really looking forward to hearing them. Man it would be fucking hilarious if he was actually not bad and he retires from the NFL to pursue what becomes a successful music career.


Huge-Supermarket-226

MC Jones


fun_boat

from watching the interview, it seemed like he was just fucking around


Leiatte

The J.A.G. You Are-Mac Jones


OttoVonWong

Who? MAC JONES


MycoJoe

First player ever to wear jersey number 281-330-8 0 0 4


deucemcsizzles

Mac stays flossin in that candy paint, blowin dank, sippin drank.


JFKs_Burner_Acct

Yo, we'll trade you T-Law so we can start Mac Jones !!


JokerDeSilva10

"I hate the way that you walk, the way that you talk, I hate the way that you dress, I hate that you wear a neckbrace - "


alina_savaryn

I’ll bet Mac regularly uses the n word too


MatureUsername69

He says it [just like Drake too](https://youtu.be/jDZH87yHWC0?si=GvBxGrWgjadtUXsO)


TeardropsFromHell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8fXi6k4if4 Jack Kays "The Voice in my Head"


mechnick2

I like the Tony thats in press conferences I hate the Tony that acts tough


JokerDeSilva10

Might I suggest "I hate the Tony that tweets tough".


JFKs_Burner_Acct

No he's our future!!!


Serallas

Wiping our hands clean of the mistake that was that draft class


illforgetsoonenough

Those hands should be close to spotless after all the practice the bears have had


Proxima_Centauri_69

We tried to tell them.


BlouseoftheDragon

Funny how the narrative changes in one off season about fields. Here I was thinking he was elite according to 2023 bears fans and does “everything better” than Hurts.


Levitlame

That’s straight up made up or you’re picking out some weird outliers. There were still a lot of people positive on Fields in 2023, but it wasn’t the majority of fans. And they weren’t making comparisons to Hurts by that point. Hurts was too far along. Even on the Bears sub, which is a pretty shitty place a good amount of the time.


UUtch

People in the 2023 off-season were absolutely high on Fields, Bears fan or not.


MulliganPlsThx

Fields had a lot of fantasy value projected into his IRL game


Levitlame

Less than Hurts did regardless


wedonthaveadresscode

He was supposed to be an elite fantasy player, that’s pretty much it ha


GarlVinland4Astrea

It was a total dud of a class. Wilson is a complete bust. Lance is probably never going to be a real starter. Mac and Fields have a ceiling of stopgap QB at best imo. Then the real diamond of the class in Lawrence became the first real generational type prospect that didn't live up to hype and is pretty average. Might go down as the most overhyped QB class ever.


poopknuckle1

You're forgetting the best QB of the class. The necks man up, Davis Mills


its_LOL

The man who didn’t just change his own franchise’s future with a single touchdown and two-point conversion, but FOUR franchises’ futures


browndude10

Bears, Texans, colts, panthers?


its_LOL

Yep


Crooked_Sartre

Wait how did the colts get fucked again? I mean they lost the game but was it meaningful in some way?


its_LOL

They didn’t. Them losing the game against the Texans allowed them to be in prime position to draft Anthony Richardson. IIRC if they won the game they would’ve been picked behind Seattle and possibly Las Vegas too, who both would’ve drafted him


browndude10

well that's why I put colts and then a ?


Crooked_Sartre

I was literally asking without any shade my brother, just wondering if I missed something.


browndude10

no shade here from me; I was also asking as well


Jeff__Skilling

wow I didn't realize the the magnitude of the butterfly effect he started that day (outside of the Texans obv)


Levitlame

Stroud can never out-achieve Mills because any Stroud accomplishment is because of Mills getting him there. Sounds like future ring of honor material to me. Maybe for more than one team even.


Sliiiiime

Praise be


Serdones

He was pretty much unironically the best besides T-Law, right? Maybe besides Mac Jones' rookie season.


JokerDeSilva10

I think Fields' running still debatably makes him a better player on the field than Mills, but when you couple it with his draft pedigree, expectations, and the fan circus that comes with him thanks to the Fields stans, Mills likely makes for a better backup/stand in starter.


In-the-bunker

Fields is the type of QB2 that gets coaches fired. Say the starter has a few bad games or gets injured and Fields comes in. Without the benefit of the D preparing for him, he will break off a few spectacular runs, and maybe throw a deep ball or 2, but will fumble, throw a pick, or otherwise crumble during crunch time. However, more casual fans will focus on the highlights and demand he be the starter putting pressure on the coaching staff.


ubeen

Fields can't really offer much as a QB2. He has to either be in gadget plays or be inactive. The league pretty much told everyone what they think about his ability as a QB. He also doesn't provide much in a film session unless he is one of those types of QBs who can see it on tape but not process it fast enough on the playing field. I don't forsee him having a long career in the NFL as a backup unless he's willing to play some Slash/T. Hill role.


JokerDeSilva10

Yeah, his skillset is both limited and unique so it's hard for him to serve as a great backup. He'd probably be best either backing up Russ, in fact, or maybe Lamar since they are a similar archetype, just with Lamar being a significantly better passer, so maybe Fields could run a training wheels version of the offense. I do suspect one or two desperate and ambitious offensive minds will convince themselves down the road they can "fix" him, though, and he'll likely get one more chance. Unless he flames out in Pittsburgh, because if Tomlin can't coach him I think few can.


Levitlame

I don’t think he’d do it, but I’d rather see him in a Taysom Hill type roll with a few well designed plays. He actually had good running instincts. And has all of the physical tools - including a great arm. If you can work around his processing issues he could have some good use. But so few people play that role. So I doubt that will happen. Would love to see him succeed. He worked hard and seems a great guy.


MetaphoricalMouse

daddy long neck


Crooked_Sartre

Davis Mills changed the face of 3 different franchises: the Texans, the Panthers, and the Bears


Serdones

>Wilson is a complete bust. Don't talk that way about my QB3 or 4.


Atty_for_hire

Get ready to speak Mormon buddy.


Serdones

*Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb.*


Fun_Brother_9333

Lance is more of a bust than Wilson.


babble0n

Idk about that. Lance was a "low skill, high ceiling" qb that was supposed to develop under Jimmy Garoppolo. The 49ers weren't planning on starting him until much later but Jimmy got hurt. Wilson was supposed to be a day one starter and the savior of the Jets.


Expensive-Method8321

nah you have to factor in the amount the 49ers gave away to get him. He already ranks pretty high on the worst draft trades ever, and couple in his actual on field production which is negligible, he comes out as a bigger bust imo


8BallTiger

Covid really screwed up that class and Fields, Mac, and Lance really didn’t have a lot of playing time in college


Serdones

Maybe all these ultra experienced QBs of the 2024 draft class are exactly what the league needs for an infusion of QB talent.


8BallTiger

I think age could be an issue but yeah not only are the younger guys experienced but so are Williams and Maye and McCarthy. All 3 were full starters for at least 2 years. That 2021 class only Trevor had 3 full years as the starter basically. Zach Wilson didn’t and had some injuries, Mac had 1 year as a starter, Lance had hilariously little playing time, and Fields only had 1.5 years of real playing time


TheSkiingDad

I think the stat was lance has fewer career attempts between high school, college, and the pros than Brady did in 2020.


johncate73

Bama played 13 games in 2020. I don't think being two games short made much of a difference.


8BallTiger

Well Mac only had the one year starting


Repulsive-Office-796

Tbf … the top 2 QB’s went to horrible rosters.


ard8

That’s nearly every draft Bad teams tend to pick early


seatega

Exactly. Bad teams pick early, great QBs find a way to thrive in terrible situations (provided that they don't get physically broken by said bad team)


TemporaryGospel

I really really really believe that Sam Bradford had it in him to be an MVP candidate and he went to one of the worst rosters in modern NFL history.


seatega

I would put Sam Bradford, week 1, 2017, as one of the best games I've ever seen from a quarterback. His ball placement in that game was unreal.


EmotionalServe6427

This comment depresses me. Also, Boomer.


PlayaSlayaX

That’s (really not) a shocker


boardatwork1111

Crazy they’d choose to have a massive hole at KR going into 2025 though


Quexana

We have this guy named Cordarrelle Patterson who we think might be able to fill that hole. I get that he's a touch unproven as a KR, but we think he's shown promise.


southernsteelmc

Next year he starts collecting Social security so not sure he plays in 2025


_mdz

Well I know what the Falcons are doing next year.


hobosockmonkey

You didn’t hear Terry Fontenot making fun of Justin Fields on the radio did you? He was very open about how stupid of a decision that would have been.


HopLegion

Well if there's one GM I think understands stupid decisions on the QB position. Doesn't help my mindset that former Bears GM Ryan Pace is also a leading voice in that front office. I'm sure the word "conviction" was used following the draft.


SleazyKingLothric

I really hope we just didn't draft taller Justin Fields. 2.0 edition


Mexican__

If it makes you feel better he’s like 40 pounds lighter


Pandamonium98

That’s crazy, Fields doesn’t strike me as particularly heavy for his height either


Ben_Kenobi_

Watching him run, that's his biggest advantage vs. lamar as a running qb. He's beefy for someone that fast, so he's hard to take down. If only he could read defenses.


Elixirgadoosh

You either can or you can't. He's proven he cannot. He'd be fun to throw out in a wildcat formation.


IAmNotOnRedditAtWork

I want to see him try to become Taysom Hill 2.0. Size isn't an issue, he's bigger than Hill lol


whatlambda

I'm annoyed that we never did that


GuitarbytheTon

We call that the Anthony Richardson ( assuming he isn’t a glass cannon)


iPhon4

Dude is all muscle. Theres a reason on his long runs people bounce off


fiero-fire

I had to check because I thought Williams was bigger but I was wrong. Caleb Williams 6' 1" 215lbs Justin Fields 6' 3" 227lbs I really don't know why but I thought JF was smaller than that like Bryce Young size


PsuedoFred

It’s what’s between the ears that’s a problem for Fields. He has all the physical tools to be a star.


im_alliterate

hes dropped some bombs playing us. then again who didnt last year.


fiero-fire

True that but I just got the sense from watching him play he was undersized and I was completely wrong. Now I get why he was so hyped and people kept thinking he could be the real deal. Physically he's exactly the build you want


callacmcg

He kinda has a baby face but he is a big fuckin dude. Damn near broke my hand when I saw him fold that Lions DB like a lawn chair. There's a reason Chicago fans love him despite his results https://youtu.be/wuCWfPabKWY?si=uOPKdqLdn0vz4sY5


xbearsandporschesx

There's some clips of Fields literally knocking out defenders when trucking his way into the endzone. Passing is his issue, size deffo not.


seeasea

It's his neck (or lack of one), it makes it seem like he's short


12ay

I think it's our jersey color. Whenever we sign a FA the first thing that sticks out is that I think they are look smaller than before. Perhaps the navy blue has a slimming feature


fiero-fire

You maybe onto something there actually


ResolutionAny5091

18


callacmcg

He can throw with touch and has a much better release. The scramble % and sack rate is the scary part that's similar. The scariest part is that he's 205 on a good day and Justin couldn't start a whole season at 225/230


zombiesatemybaby

Dont worry, you did


Nubras

Commies should be stoked if Daniels ends up as good as fields! His ceiling to me is Akili Smith


horseshoeprovodnikov

Well this is certainly a take. Care to expound on that any further? What on earth makes you think that his ceiling is Akili Smith?


Quexana

I think he's more like RG3 2.0 edition.


SleazyKingLothric

I'd rather take that. Just bless those goddamn knees


seatega

Well, hopefully this new coach isn't a total moron and doesn't put him in while injured


AlbertoRossonero

Didn’t RG3 push to come back?


Silverflash-x

Players always push to come back. It's ultimately on the coach to not allow their players to play before it's safe.


Snoo-40231

RG3 also made a whole documentary about coming back for the next season and wanted to be a "pocket passer" instead of playing to his strengths because he was jealous of kirk cousins


soraka4

This is absurdly disrespectful to RG3


PrinceNana128

You already had White Justin Fields on your roster.


doppytheclown

That’s the giants


anotherorphan

but JD is one of those qbs who can throw the football


whatlambda

Fields can throw the football. Arm talent was never the issue.


Zechinda

Based on college, so was fields 


Kdot32

His footwork and release point is already better


paultheschmoop

Only way to truly know is to compare elbows


El_Khunt

I call him "Justin Fields Lite"


JayMoney2424

You probably did 


AFatz

I didn't even realize Daniel's was 6'4. That makes his weight even more concerning.


BurgessFox

The 5th year option for a QB is kind of in an awkward zone pay wise. It is too much to pay a guy who you don't see as being your guy. But if he is your guy, you're likely getting the deal done earlier. I guess the value comes if he is your guy, and he's trying to push the boat out for too high a deal, and the fallback option of his 5th year option contract value is something you can use as a negotiating tool.


onethreeone

Crazy how the 5th round option is actually a negative at the QB position now. It wasn't too many years ago that it was a deal


horseshoeprovodnikov

Negative as in the fact that it isn't market value if the QB turns out to be elite within the first four years?


gyman122

It really is. If Jordan Love hadn’t signed his fifth year option he’d be a rich bitch rn


Adequate_Lizard

I thought we declined his 5th and gave him a bridge contract.


skiingflobberworm

Correct, it was less than the 5th year too he effectively bet against himself.


HomelessSadVirgin

If I remember right though, the deal gave him more guaranteed, and more up front though, right?


skiingflobberworm

Less guaranteed. Had he declined the offer and the Packers declined hits fifth year option he'd have a huge contract for 2024 but instead it's 13 million. Great job by the Packers. Also can't blame Love for taking life changing money even if it was a bad move in the end.


mikeh95

We're likely giving him a massive extension today so it all worked out in the end.


IhatemyteamLVR

I mean it depends. If fields was good 25 mil would be a steal for a young QB. He sucks so that’s not worth it. 


Josh6889

I just looked it up. It would be the 17th most expensive QB contract. Obviously lots of rookie contracts in that bottom half though.


IhatemyteamLVR

Yup, 17th best salary for a year vs top 3-5 salary like any good young QB will get is a massive difference


W3NTZ

How is it a negative? It's no different than if he were a 2nd round pick. It's an option


rugrnc32-

The Steelers don’t want their all-pro returner?


jcoddinc

Just 2 running backs figuring for one contract


Majestic_Reindeer439

1 KR, actually


TheFencingCoach

No one could have ever seen this coming.


PlayaSlayaX

You’re telling me that the Steelers DON’T want to let Justin field?


BungoPlease

I can't believe you've done this


chernadraw

He's Justin it for the puns.


SparkStormrider

I'm going to give you an upvote for this, but I don't fucking like it!


TheWhooooBuddies

Justin Fields: your next Dallas Cowboys QB.  Someone remind me. 


Enthusiasms

The Trey Lance disrespect


leahyrain

!remindme one year


joebuckshairline

Genuinely, *genuinely* don’t understand the subset of fans who still believe Fields could have been great and it was the bears coaching staff that failed him. It’s abundantly clear he is mid at best.


IhatemyteamLVR

Mostly fantasy football. I know because I thought this when he was having huge fantasy games and then I watched him and he was so fucking bad 


Yo-Strategy-8651

What's wild is how many talking heads in media share same opinion. Most of them are on record with their predictions of him beating out Russ for the starting job. That has a chance to be one of the worst aging takes ever


Samuraix9386

I mean Russ ain’t anything special these days either


Tarmacked

Bad Russ is special compared to the garbage Fields put on tape


whatlambda

He has the physical attributes of a Madden franchise mode create-a-player. The dream was always that maybe he could quicken up the release and get the short game going. And possibly read a blitz correctly.


Fartboyxx99

The dude is 24 and had only one season with an actual nfl roster around him after joining a tanking team with a new system. yea hes mid but the dudes career growth isn’t over yet. Maybe he wont get much better but hes progressed in every year so far so it’s not crazy to think it could get better.  This sub circlejerked him to death and the fans of him sometimes over compensate the other direction. Realistically he’s almost an average qb in this league and now is in a position to learn this year and eventually get another chance. Maybe it goes well maybe it doesn’t. To write him off already is shortsighted too. 


Elixirgadoosh

He can't read a defense. He processes too slow. He has a slow release. He misses wide open guys all the time. It's been the same shit from high school, to college, to nfl. It's okay, he just doesn't have it, and he never will.


downbad12878

He is objectively not close to average,he is a bottom 19 QB, improving from the worse QB to around 24th when the team around you is much better is not a good thing


A_Smitty56

They should have picked up Najee's option


ForensicFiles88

I think it makes sense to decline the 5th-year option Unless Wilson misses time and Fields looks good in his absence this season, I doubt any team is going to be looking at him as a starting option entering 2025


CapBrink

Someone will get to sign one hell of a new format kick returner after next year


SFThirdStrike

Watching Najee Harris is like watching Old Zeke..I don't mean like old 2016 Zeke..I mean like 2022 Zeke. He just seems so slow.


royrese

What? When the fuck did Justin Fields become a Steeler? Off-season is hard to keep up with every year.


anotheroutlaw

Wait till you hear where Russell Wilson signed.


royrese

Lmao wait what why did you guys sign both of them? How did I miss all this? Guess Justin Fields is going to be fighting just to stay a backup for the rest of his career. I see that you guys signed him on the Broncos' dime, though, no way he isn't completely worth it at that price.


thelazygamer

We traded Pickett to the Eagles as well


AssistX

by week 3 we'll be calling for him to be the starter. Even if we're 3-0


iobeson

Yeah and that's not even rhe craziest signings the steelers did this off-season. We signed Aaron Donald, Mike Evans, and we even got Antonio Brown back for one more season.


kr0n1k

Falcons fans are seething.


Ben_Kenobi_

The cap hit is like $6m or something for both of them combined. If Wilson can play even decently, on paper, it could be an amazing value qb room.


Button_3

Even less than that. Pretty sure cap hits are $1.2m for Wilson and $3.2m for Fields.


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Majestic_Reindeer439

In the car door


Elegant_Spot_3486

Makes sense. Good to see teams be smart with money.


DuckDuck_DuckDuck

Tim Tebow arc. Gonna see a conversion to tight end up ahead.


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donta5k0kay

are options position weighted? how the hell was it 25 million


horseshoeprovodnikov

It would have to be position weighted to be that high, wouldn't it? Does the spot in the draft (number wise) also play a factor?


donta5k0kay

he went like 10th, i'd expect that to be the 1st overalls option


DrBlazkowicz

Good news for both if they produce


ILikeit__7

Seems like the staff got to see him throw a few passes already talking about moving him to KR 🤣


kjorav17

Could this be a play to maybe get him on a team-friendly deal next year? Like if he plays a little this season and looks OK, maybe they throw him a bone to stay in Pitt another year, but on their terms


CliffsOfMohair

Meirov is that how much it would’ve costed? Hack


im_Justachillguy

Thet will never get a good qb again 🔥🔥🔥💯


ImpossibleJoke7456

Sounds like 2 comp picks in 2026.