One pick before that was Cleveland taking Justin Gilbert, the next NINE straight picks were pro bowlers, five of them being All-Pros as well
Gilbert didn’t finish his rookie contract
I still think Weeden was a much more wtf pick than Manziel. At least Manziel was young, loaded with potential even tho red flags galore. Weeden was like... yeah let's draft that solid college QB who's 29 in the 1st round. I'm not convinced Weeden would have been drafted earlier than the 5th had the Browns not taken him
I know that baffling incompetence was kind of the hallmark of the Browns organization, but it's still hard for me to believe that any team with a top-10 pick would truly panic. There's only so many scenarios that could unfold that early in the draft, so you really should be prepared for anything.
Maybe but now Tony Mandarich enters the conversation.
Aikman, Mandarich, Barry Sanders, Derrick Thomas, Deion Sanders
One of these is not like the others. Though Mandarich did go on to have a servicable career with the Colts.
I loved when the Lions drafted Eric Ebron at #10 in the 2014 draft over Donald because they had Nick Fairley and Suh at the tackle position…only to lose both of them that offseason.
Which is why outside of QB teams should basically always go BPA.
Turnover in the NFL is just so high.
Also there's a good argument to be made that a good team building technique is overwhelm teams with a point of strength, rather than trying to avoid holes.
Get a d line that can't be blocked or a WR corps that can't be covered or whatever rather than trying to go from bad to meh in the secondary or whatever.
The Seahawks going back to BPA the last 3 drafts has been a breath of fresh air, no more head scratchers and reaches. Walker and Charbonett in back to back drafts, great now we have multiple stud RBs. JSN when Oline was considered a bigger need, great 3 stud WRs. Witherspoon over Carter, come back the next year and get Murphy instead and avoid all the red flags. Nice. It's beautiful to see. No more LJ Collier type picks, or massive red flag guys.
And they knew that both were leaving. They had already declined Fairley's cheap option and they knew that they weren't going to spend enough to keep Suh. We were actually pretty decent that year (11-5) and with Donald along with those guys our defense would have been dominant.
With Donald instead of Ebron we really would have had a chance to make a long playoff run. I mean we should have beaten Dallas in the playoffs even without Donald if it wasn't for the refs picking up one of the most blatant pass interference flags you'll ever see.
Still pissed Donald went one pick before the bears to a Rams team with an already stacked Dline at the time. Still remember it to this day. Thought they didn't need him but they were smart to go best player available.
I was mad too, Kyle Fuller was solid so it’s not like they got a bum but still, I was salivating at the thought of Donald in the 4-3…though he would of been ruined when they switched to a 3-4.
Sure, Donald is a future HoF player, but it's hard to be upset or regret the pick when Barr was a really good player for nearly a decade.
But he technically fits the definition of this post perfectly.
2017 the Colts drafted Malik Hooker. He’s been a solid starter at free safety and really shines playing single high, but picks after him include Marlon Humphrey, CB; Jonathan Allen, IDL; Tre White, CB; and some guy named TJ Watt.
Honestly the Colts defense in the 2017 offseason was bare. We needed everything. Even after Ballard spent a lot in free agency to get some players on defense, any of those players would have been immediate starters and impact players. Looking at positional value, Safety ranks behind all the other positions I listed. Even with the great upside he had, it was still an odd pick imho.
not sure if it fits what you're going for, but chris hinton was a 7x pro bowler, 1x all pro and had a fantastic 12 year career
but he'll always be remembered as the guy who was traded for john elway
A blurb from his Wiki page: "Hinton also said "I used to always be kidded by the guys on the Colts, 'We could've had Elway instead of you.' And I'd say, 'Yeah, but you wouldn't have had anybody to block for him.'"
Solid comeback in my opinion
For real lmao, it's perfectly in line with locker room & rookie smack talk but I'm happy he had a rebuttal to it at least. I doubt it did but if it bugged him at all, it probably stopped by his 2nd or 3rd Pro Bowl
Hinton was also sent to the Falcons along with Andre Rison so the Colts could draft Jeff George. So he got traded for 1 great QB, and then again for a terrible QB.
My favourite one:
Raiders took Fabian Washington #23 in the 2005 draft. The next player selected was this guy named Aaron Rodgers.
It’s ok though, we had Kerry Collins at the time so we clearly didn’t need an upgrade at the QB position ….
Raiders have a lot of these.
From 2004-2013, only looking at the first round:
Drafted Robert Gallery, next pick Larry Fitzgerald
Fabian Washington, next pick Aaron Rodgers
JaMarcus Russell, next pick Calvin Johnson
Darrius Heyward-Bey, two picks later B.J. Raji
Rolando McClain, next pick C.J. Spiller
D.J. Hayden, next pick Sheldon Richardson
All of the players the Raiders drafted there ranged from serviceable to JaMarcus
Alex Leatherwood over Christian Darrisaw was a head scratcher too. Thought Rick Spielman was going to botch it by trading back, but Mayock bailed him out.
2020 the Browns and Jets took Jedrick Wills and Mekhi Becton at 10 and 11, and the Bucs got Tristan Wirfs at 13.
Wills not a bust, but not great. Competent starter I would say. Becton many may say is a bust, but I don't necessarily think so as he was good at first and then injuries wrecked him, so I would classify him as something of an average pick.
Wirfs on the short list of names you have to bring up when debating who the best OT in the league is.
Sure, but there's still a difference between a guy just being a bum that can't play and one that shows they can play and then loses their ability to stay at that level because of injury. It was a good pick that ended up with a bad result, it happens sometimes.
This is a great example using the “no bust” parameters. Dyson was a decent player. Had a key role in the music city miracle and last catch in the Super Bowl
Maybe my favorite Dyson factoid is how after his playing days he got his PhD? Doctorate? in education and is now a high school principal, Dr Dyson.
Alex Smith as the first QB off the board over Aaron Rodgers is the first that comes to mind. Smith was a good qb and had a solid career, but Rodgers is an all timer at the position
Rodgers really needed those years on the bench. He had a lot to work on coming from the Tedford system. I really think he would have flamed out if he hadn’t had those years on the bench.
Edit. Fixed an auto correct that made my post confusing.
Tedford guys didn’t have a good track record at the time, but most of those guys played their rookie years for bad teams. Rodgers was in an ideal spot, not dissimilar to how Mahomes was perceived as needing some work and benefiting from almost an entire season on the bench.
This is a take I see a lot but yeah I disagree with. He needed the years on the bench badly. In some old interviews after the Superbowl I believe from Ted Thompson, McCarthy and Rodgers they talked about how they had to completely overhaul his throwing motion into a more pro friendly and better mechanically.
If he didn't have the time to improve without having to go out and win games I don't know he turns into a HOF or anything close to it.
Hot take: Rogers would have busted on the 49ers. There have been worse first round picks than Smith and he still had a solid career. He’s not a bust in the slightest.
When it comes to QBs, the situation they go to matters more than talent imo.
Jury is still out on Kyle Pitts, but good God that draft was stacked. Seven of the next nine players picked are extreme difference makers at premium positions.
In order:
Jamarr Chase
Penei Sewell
Jaylen Waddle
Patrick Surtain
Devonta Smith
Micah Parsons
Rashawn Slater
It’s unlikely even if Pitts is able to put together a terrific career that he’ll justify passing on many of those players.
If he reaches his full potential, he would be a true game changer. He would be a combo of kelce and aj brown. But, the odds that he reaches that potential AND the coaching staff knows how to maximize that talent is somewhat unlikely. For the record, I do like Pitts and think he's going to have a good-great career
Probably not. That's not really a knock on Pitts either. It's just that kelce is maybe the best ever from the inline. He's obviously very talented, but he's got Andy Reid drawing up plays for him to get open and get the ball a ton...and he's got the full trust of mahomes, which bodes well for him. Even if Pitts was as good at getting open from that position, he likely wouldn't have the same kind of success as kelce for those reasons. Plus, Pitts is so dangerous at every level that idk if that would be the best way to utilize him. He's a freak and, with some refining and solid qb play, could do aj brown things from the tight end position, which nobody would have an answer for. I'm really excited to see what he does this year with a real qb...and we know kirk will feed his star receiver lol
Chase, Parsons, Sewell, and Surtain all top 3 at their positions, if not higher, right now. I’ll backtrack a little though because when we zoom out on their careers when all is said and done it may look different.
Except if we went with Haskins we would have moved on by now. Instead we’re still in QB purgatory because Jones was *just* good enough to be given an extension the team already regrets
They don't play exactly the same position but I was recently bemoaning the fact that the Pats took Kyle Dugger 8 picks before Antoine Winfield, Jr. in the 2020 draft. Dugger is a very good SS/LB hybrid, but Winfield, is an All Pro FS.
On man the Bucs win.
In 1982 They accidentally picked the wrong guy (Sean Ferrell instead of Booker Reese) and then in an attempt to fix it they traded away their first round pick in the 1983 draft so they could get Reese.
1983 draft class had John elway, Dan Marino, Jim Kelley and like a million other super talented players.
They passed up their first round pick in on of the leagues most stacked draft classes bc they were doubling down after a technical error.
https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/2342020
Champ Bailey too, but that was in combination with a couple of other trades. Man, they blew that one. That was the first Snyder mismanagement in my childhood memory
Bradley Chubb. He turned into a solid player and we got a good pick in return for him. But Quentin Nelson or Josh Allen would have been better. And for the former no hindsight needed
Nelson would have been awesome, but Allen needed a fair bit of work. We haven’t been historically great with developing QBs at all, let alone QBs that need some extra work
The whole "we fucked up taking Chubb and not Josh Allen" take is laden with revisionist history and one of my least favorite takes I see from Broncos fans. Allen was a very raw QB who needed to go to the right situation that included good coaches to help him hit his potential and a fanbase that wouldn't call for the next guy after a few rough games. Buffalo had those coaches, Denver did not (does anyone really think he would have developed when his HCs would have been Vance and Fangio and his OCs would have been Bill Musgrave and Rich Scangarello?). Buffalo at the time had much lower expectations and fan pressure, Denver had much higher expectations and more fan pressure.
Honestly, Josh Allen would have been a bust if Denver drafted him.
I think Aldon Smith is worthy of a mention here. Many would (rightfully, in many ways) classify him as a bust, but he did more in two seasons than most pass rushers do in a career. However, JJ Watt was right there a couple spots down...
That 2011 class was littered with supreme defensive talent. Von Miller is a Super Bowl MVP and a 2x champ who led the NFL in sacks in the 2010s, and he might not even be the best defensive player in that draft class lol
I would say Von Miller is *almost certainly* not the best defensive player in the draft, which is would be completely absurd unless you knew who would follow him. If Aldon Smith hadn't had the off-the-field issues he had, we could very well be looking at 3 HOF DEs/OLBs going in the first 11 picks of the same draft. Insanity.
Aaron Donald was the 13th player and 3rd defensive lineman taken in his draft. Nothing wrong with Jadaveon Clowney or Khalil Mack but.. yea. Greatest Defensive Player of all time conversation vs. Borderline Hall of Famer vs good but not great 10 year starter.
Hard to regret the Khalil Mack decision. He’s a HOFer at one of the most important positions. The Rockets can’t really regret taking Hakeem Olajuwon just because Michael Jordan became the GOAT.
Alternatively, in 1983 the Jets took a quarterback at 21. Ken O'Brien was a ten year starter, who made multiple pro bowls, lead the league in QB Rating multiple times, held multiple team records. Sounds great right? The defending AFC champion Miami Dolphins took the next QB taken in the draft, the 6th and final of that legendary first round... Dan Marino.
The thought was Bradshaw had about 3 or more years left, Noll also took Rivera as he wanted to build the team the same way, Rivera was supposed to be the next Joe Greene for Pittsburgh. Fate would have different ideas as Bradshaw would blow his arm out early in 83 and Rivera would be paralyzed in a car crash during his rookie season
That QB draft class with 3 Hall of Famers, 1 Hall of Very Good and 2 busts. Doesn't even take into account the other Hall of Famers in Eric Dickerson, Darrell Green, etc.
I'm sure a lot of teams had "regrets" in that draft.
Steelers had a big need at TE and Center in 2021. They took Pat Freiermuth at 55, who has been a really solid (with flashes of elite play) player. Creed Humphrey went 8 picks later.
They opted for Kendrick Green to plug C in round 3.
Packers taking Kevin King over TJ Watt 😩
TJ was from and played at Wisconsin, the packers were a dream scenario for him. This was also when JJ was tearing up the league and TJ could learn a lot just from his brothers experience
Plenty of first round picks are considered busts and sometimes it’s just out of their hands, this is my general opinion about posts like these. The team, coaching staff, preparedness for entering the league, barring preexisting conditions such as injuries are a huge part of how a player with fit in, gel with the team, and possibly play at the next level has to do with timing and luck.
I’d like to add, no one can imagine the pressure that’s on a freshly drafted rookie who’s supposed to replace a long time vet/team captain, maybe the coach and team but not the fans.
There weren't really "rookie" contracts back then.
The term itself refers to rookie wage scale, which was the problem in that it didn't exist in 2000. When teams drafted players, they had to write their first contract whole cloth, which led to hold outs and exorbitant contracts for some.
We simply have no way to know what Bradys contract as a top 10 pick would look like. *Maybe* it would resemble actual 10th overall pick Travis Taylor (5 years, $7.46m), maybe Chad Pennington (only quarterback from the first 2 rounds at 18 overall, 5 years, $23m)
I wouldn't really count it that way, since no one could've seen it coming. A player in that situation would only be a "regret" if they were taken shortly before Brady and wound up being a steal as well.
Where to begin....
Becton over Wirfs is a good recent example.
For old school examples, Roger 'OH NO' Vick over the Nigerian Nightmare, O'Brien over Marino, Kyle Brady over Warren Sapp. There are more.
The Cardinals drafted Andy Isabella the pick immediately preceding DK Metcalf 🫠.
Correction: Isabella was pick 62, DK was 64. And to a divisional rival no less. I still remember him running down Budda Baker on that damn near pick six. What an animal.
This is a really good example. Two teams draft players with elite speed but poor route running - just one of them went with the guy that was also huge.
Jerry Jeudy has been a fine player, but that WR class was absolutely stacked. He was the name everyone loved to talk about as the obvious best WR prospect in the class, never quite understood why his name was just constantly propped up. Ceedee Lamb and Justin Jefferson were both drafted in the 1st rnd and are on HOF trajectories.
Jeudy might be trending toward a bust…
when you mention Lamb and JJ both being in that draft… damn that’s brutal in hindsight
Granted I do remember Jeudy being talked about everywhere that year
In the second round of the 2012 draft, the St Louis Rams traded down from 45 to 50.
With pick 47, the division rival Seahawks took Bobby Wagner.
Rams coach Jeff Fisher, who wanted the team to take Wagner at 45, was furious at the trade. He even developed a new phrase "Bobby Wagner mad", to describe a state of extreme displeasure.
Idk. They feel like they're too close to be a regret. Kevin Williams was a 5x first team All Pro. Suggs was first team All Pro only once. Maybe Suggs' peak was higher as a defensive player of the year, and edge rusher has some more positional value, but Williams was one of the best players in the league at his position for a long time and a huge part of a great Vikings defensive front.
Marc Bulger was a 2x pro bowl QB, started 95 games in his career. Pretty great pick in the 6th round.
If you don't think about how the next QB drafted was Tom Brady.
The 49ers taking Alex Smith #1 overall instead of Aaron Rodgers was a head scratcher. Aaron Rodgers went to Cal which was less than 20 miles from where the 49ers played (now it's much further). The 49ers were Aaron Rodgers' favorite team. He wore a Joe Montana t-shirt under this Cal jersey.
And the 49ers went from Alex Smith -> Shaun Hill -> Colin Kaepernick -> Brian Hoyer -> Jimmy Garoppolo -> Nick Mullens -> Trey Lance -> Brock Purdy, with some other ones scattered in between. Maybe they finally have their starter with Purdy.
I don't think Aaron Rodgers would have succeeded under the coaching carousel that the Niners went through until Harbaugh. Knowing what we know about his personality now, I can't blame that front office from passing on him.
I believe the full the order from Alex's rookie year - present was:
Tim Rattay
Alex Smith
Tim Rattay
Alex Smith
Ken Dorsey
Cody Pickett
Ken Dorsey
Alex Smith
Trent Dilfer
Alex Smith
Trent Dilfer
Shaun Hill
Chris Weinke
J.T. O'Sullivan
Shaun Hill
Alex Smith
David Carr
Troy Smith
Alex Smith
Troy Smith
Alex Smith
Colin Kaepernick
Blaine Gabbert
Colin Kaepernick
Brian Hoyer
CJ Beathard
Jimmy Garoppolo
CJ Beathard
Nick Mullens
Jimmy Garoppolo
Nick Mullens
CJ Beathard
Jimmy Garoppolo
CJ Beathard
Jimmy Garoppolo
Nick Mullens
CJ Beathard
Jimmy Garoppolo
Trey Lance
Jimmy Garoppolo
Trey Lance
Jimmy Garoppolo
Trey Lance
Jimmy Garoppolo
Brock Purdy
Josh Johnson
Literally no one lol
Brock Purdy
Sam Darnold
Brock Purdy
I'm sure there's some I missed, but I tried to be as thorough as possible.
2007 draft Cardinals select Levi Brown with Adrian Petersen, Marshawn Lynch, Darrelle Revis, and Patrick Willis still on the board.
2019 draft Cardinals select Andy Isabella and DK Metcalf is chosen 2 picks later.
The thing that makes me feel better about that is that the Bills weren’t in the market for a QB that year so Tre White was always going to be the pick. With the trade, it let them also add Tremaine Edmunds and Dion Dawkins (who indirectly lead to them taking Josh Allen). I’d still take Mahomes over the three of them, but that was never in the cards.
I considered saying Ted Ginn, Jr., who was the second WR drafted in 2007 (after Megatron), but while he didn't have the kind of career you'd want from a number nine pick, he had a 13 year career of 193 games and does seem to actually be the second best receiver pick of that draft.
I'm not going to do the research, but you'd be hard pressed to find a worse draft for WRs.
Seattle traded down from #12 to #15 and took Bruce Irvin in 2012. He was a good, not great, player who was a key part of our Super Bowl team and the great teams of the early mid-2010s, had a fun little Renaissance with the team in 2022, and is genuinely loved in and around Seattle.
Pick #12 was Fletcher Cox.
I wish the Browns drafted TJ Watt instead of Peppers.
Peppers wasn’t bad but Imagine Watt and Garrett together. Even Joe Woods couldn’t hold them back.
Patriots in 2018 drafted Sony Michel 31st. Lamar Jackson was the next pick, Nick Chubb was 4 picks later.
Michel had some decent seasons. Lamar won his first MVP in Tom Bradys last season on the Pats, Chubb has rushed for more yards than Michel's best season every year (not counting when he got injured last year).
Packers fans never stfu about taking Kevin King over TJ Watt. Which is valid but I personally will never get over drafting Vonnie Holliday two picks before arguably the best WR I ever had the pleasure of watching. Holliday over Moss will always be my answer to a question like this.
The Chiefs traded back with the Steelers and they selected Troy Polamalu (probably spelled it wrong). Meanwhile we selected Larry Johnson, he was a good a really good rb but we ran him into the ground and he didn't last long.
In 1998 the Lions used their first round pick on Terry Fair. The next selection was Randy Moss.
The next year the Lions used their first round pick on Chris Claiborne. The next selection was Chris McAllister.
Simeon Rice is a hall of fame level career and arguably the best player on one of the greatest defenses of all time, terrible example lol he is not in the same category as Keyshawn or Hardy...
If you consider Rice to be a hall-of-famer, then Keyshawn and Hardy would still be the "regrets." Rice would just be the superstar taken after them (just like Ogden currently is).
Browns take Gerard Warren at 3. He is a meh defensive tackle.
As a boy I wanted LaDainian Tomlinson taken at 5.
In the top 10 Richard Seymour was also taken.
Gerard Warren was a high school crush of butch Davis who didn't get him at maimi.
In 2016 the browns took Myles Garrett a great player who has recently won a defensive player of the year award. However another player was also available. Patrick Mahomes
The Skins drafted Carlos Rogers at 9 with Aaron Rogers still on the board. Aaron was drafted 1 spot before our 2nd pick of the first round.
I legit thought we got him because Favre was clearly not going anywhere. He’d been making noise about retiring but he clearly had 3-4 years left.
Nope. Pack took him.
To keep it 100, I think if he had gone to Washington the Gibbs 2.0 era would have lasted longer. OR…he’d have flamed out in 2-3 seasons because the org was super dysfunctional.
I’m gonna go with Eric Fisher for the Chiefs. The one year the Chiefs had the number 1 pick and it was the worst draft class of all time. It’s not even about the pick bc the only player that would’ve been much better is Landon Johnson but if it was one year later we could’ve had Andrew Luck
In 2014, the Vikings took Anthony Barr at 9. The next defensive player taken was Aaron Donald at 13.
One pick before that was Cleveland taking Justin Gilbert, the next NINE straight picks were pro bowlers, five of them being All-Pros as well Gilbert didn’t finish his rookie contract
At least they got their franchise QB 14 picks later....
When you get that scouting report that says “High, knotted calves, with pretty gd. thickness through the thighs and bubble." you gotta draft em
Rumor has it we didn't even interview him in the draft process. Just panicked after Mike Evans went off the board lol
The next 13 players off the board were serviceable to HoF players. And then the next pick was Manziel.
Damn. Talk about salt on a wound
I still think Weeden was a much more wtf pick than Manziel. At least Manziel was young, loaded with potential even tho red flags galore. Weeden was like... yeah let's draft that solid college QB who's 29 in the 1st round. I'm not convinced Weeden would have been drafted earlier than the 5th had the Browns not taken him
Couldn't agree more
I know that baffling incompetence was kind of the hallmark of the Browns organization, but it's still hard for me to believe that any team with a top-10 pick would truly panic. There's only so many scenarios that could unfold that early in the draft, so you really should be prepared for anything.
That's the browns for you!
He's one of the worst 1st round busts of all time. He's do forgettable I think he gets forgotten on lists.
Maybe but now Tony Mandarich enters the conversation. Aikman, Mandarich, Barry Sanders, Derrick Thomas, Deion Sanders One of these is not like the others. Though Mandarich did go on to have a servicable career with the Colts.
The browns trading up in front of the Steelers to pick up njoku when the Steelers ended up selecting tj watt.
The Packers could have had him and drafted down into the second to pick up CB Kevin King
I loved when the Lions drafted Eric Ebron at #10 in the 2014 draft over Donald because they had Nick Fairley and Suh at the tackle position…only to lose both of them that offseason.
Weird how that turned out. The Rams ended up with all 3
Which is why outside of QB teams should basically always go BPA. Turnover in the NFL is just so high. Also there's a good argument to be made that a good team building technique is overwhelm teams with a point of strength, rather than trying to avoid holes. Get a d line that can't be blocked or a WR corps that can't be covered or whatever rather than trying to go from bad to meh in the secondary or whatever.
The Seahawks going back to BPA the last 3 drafts has been a breath of fresh air, no more head scratchers and reaches. Walker and Charbonett in back to back drafts, great now we have multiple stud RBs. JSN when Oline was considered a bigger need, great 3 stud WRs. Witherspoon over Carter, come back the next year and get Murphy instead and avoid all the red flags. Nice. It's beautiful to see. No more LJ Collier type picks, or massive red flag guys.
And they knew that both were leaving. They had already declined Fairley's cheap option and they knew that they weren't going to spend enough to keep Suh. We were actually pretty decent that year (11-5) and with Donald along with those guys our defense would have been dominant. With Donald instead of Ebron we really would have had a chance to make a long playoff run. I mean we should have beaten Dallas in the playoffs even without Donald if it wasn't for the refs picking up one of the most blatant pass interference flags you'll ever see.
I thought it was an odd pick because we just extended Pettigrew right before the draft. Ebron needed to be Gronk for that pick to make sense to me.
Hey, at least three other teams passed on Donald after us!
This was right before Sharrif Floyd’s surgeon fucked him over too 😭😭
I… was unaware of this… Barr was great on that defense, but Zimmer with a HOF DT? It felt like that’s what those teams were missing.
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Which is absurd because he had Geno Atkins at Cincy.
Geno was the player that convinced the league that Donald was a potential star
Still pissed Donald went one pick before the bears to a Rams team with an already stacked Dline at the time. Still remember it to this day. Thought they didn't need him but they were smart to go best player available.
A lot of lead up to that draft I seen so many mocks having Donald fall to the Bears also. Would have been a nice “what if”
I was mad too, Kyle Fuller was solid so it’s not like they got a bum but still, I was salivating at the thought of Donald in the 4-3…though he would of been ruined when they switched to a 3-4.
Sure, Donald is a future HoF player, but it's hard to be upset or regret the pick when Barr was a really good player for nearly a decade. But he technically fits the definition of this post perfectly.
2017 the Colts drafted Malik Hooker. He’s been a solid starter at free safety and really shines playing single high, but picks after him include Marlon Humphrey, CB; Jonathan Allen, IDL; Tre White, CB; and some guy named TJ Watt.
Mannn when Malik was drafted I thought he’d be the next great safety, dude was a baller at Ohio State
I did too. I bought into the Ed Reed comps. He just struggled to stay healthy in Indy
Yeah I remember him always having some sort of injury, that’s a shame
Honestly the Colts defense in the 2017 offseason was bare. We needed everything. Even after Ballard spent a lot in free agency to get some players on defense, any of those players would have been immediate starters and impact players. Looking at positional value, Safety ranks behind all the other positions I listed. Even with the great upside he had, it was still an odd pick imho.
He's pretty good in Dallas currently.
That’s good, he’s super talented I’m glad it seems he’s been able to overcome his injuries
not sure if it fits what you're going for, but chris hinton was a 7x pro bowler, 1x all pro and had a fantastic 12 year career but he'll always be remembered as the guy who was traded for john elway
A blurb from his Wiki page: "Hinton also said "I used to always be kidded by the guys on the Colts, 'We could've had Elway instead of you.' And I'd say, 'Yeah, but you wouldn't have had anybody to block for him.'" Solid comeback in my opinion
I know he says "kidded", but damn those are some asshole teammates 😂
For real lmao, it's perfectly in line with locker room & rookie smack talk but I'm happy he had a rebuttal to it at least. I doubt it did but if it bugged him at all, it probably stopped by his 2nd or 3rd Pro Bowl
Well he had plenty of time to think it up
Hinton was also sent to the Falcons along with Andre Rison so the Colts could draft Jeff George. So he got traded for 1 great QB, and then again for a terrible QB.
Pitts had a 1000 yard receiving season as a rookie TE and is a seen as a piece to build around, but he went before Chase and Sewell lol
Would’ve been nice to take TJ Watt instead of Adoree Jackson with our pick back in 2017.
There were a few defensive duds drafted in between them at least. Cowboys took a dude named taco right before Njoku and Watt
Maybe they were hungry
The falcons drafted Takk mckinley before watt..
Would’ve been nice to take TJ Watt with our 1st round pick instead of trading back into the second and taking (checks notes) Kevin King.
My favourite one: Raiders took Fabian Washington #23 in the 2005 draft. The next player selected was this guy named Aaron Rodgers. It’s ok though, we had Kerry Collins at the time so we clearly didn’t need an upgrade at the QB position ….
Not only did the raiders take Washington but they traded up for him… I think everyone thought they were trading up for Rodgers
And they did still use a decent pick on a QB, Andrew "Everyone Agrees JaMarcus Russell Was Somehow An Upgrade Over This Guy" Walter
Raiders have a lot of these. From 2004-2013, only looking at the first round: Drafted Robert Gallery, next pick Larry Fitzgerald Fabian Washington, next pick Aaron Rodgers JaMarcus Russell, next pick Calvin Johnson Darrius Heyward-Bey, two picks later B.J. Raji Rolando McClain, next pick C.J. Spiller D.J. Hayden, next pick Sheldon Richardson All of the players the Raiders drafted there ranged from serviceable to JaMarcus
> Darrius Heyward-Bey, two picks later B.J. Raji Hell the next WR was Crabtree who you sign later anyway.
Sorry ass receiver though
Alex Leatherwood over Christian Darrisaw was a head scratcher too. Thought Rick Spielman was going to botch it by trading back, but Mayock bailed him out.
Was Washington that good? I remember him being a big disappointment
He was serviceable at best but overall quite disappointing. Extremely fast, though. Imagine that.
2020 the Browns and Jets took Jedrick Wills and Mekhi Becton at 10 and 11, and the Bucs got Tristan Wirfs at 13. Wills not a bust, but not great. Competent starter I would say. Becton many may say is a bust, but I don't necessarily think so as he was good at first and then injuries wrecked him, so I would classify him as something of an average pick. Wirfs on the short list of names you have to bring up when debating who the best OT in the league is.
Injuries can make you a bust no matter how talented you are
Sure, but there's still a difference between a guy just being a bum that can't play and one that shows they can play and then loses their ability to stay at that level because of injury. It was a good pick that ended up with a bad result, it happens sometimes.
I was legitimately frustrated the Bucs didn't trade up for Becton and just "sat there settling for Wirfs". I'm not very smart.
Another reason why I think labeling OTs as LT/RT only is stupid If they're good, they can play either side
Taking Kevin Dyson over Randy Moss in 1998.
Dyson was 6'1" Moss was 6'4" The Titans really could have used those extra 3 inches at one point
I think they needed an extra 36” tbf
Tbf, Mike Jones ain't catching up to Randy Moss
> Mike Jones #WHO??
MIKE JONEEES
Touché tbf
This is a great example using the “no bust” parameters. Dyson was a decent player. Had a key role in the music city miracle and last catch in the Super Bowl Maybe my favorite Dyson factoid is how after his playing days he got his PhD? Doctorate? in education and is now a high school principal, Dr Dyson.
He makes a mean vacuum cleaner too
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Alex Smith as the first QB off the board over Aaron Rodgers is the first that comes to mind. Smith was a good qb and had a solid career, but Rodgers is an all timer at the position
The 49ers offensive coordinator and coaching situations were a mess. Hopefully it wouldn’t have impacted Aaron Rodgers’ development but who knows?
Not that many people care, but Mike McCarthy was the OC for the 49ers when they picked Alex Smith. Fun what-if scenario there too
Some of the shit Rodgers would do goes beyond any coach. He’s one of the most talented ever.
Rodgers also had the opportunity to sit behind and learn from Brett Favre, another all timer at QB.
Rodgers really needed those years on the bench. He had a lot to work on coming from the Tedford system. I really think he would have flamed out if he hadn’t had those years on the bench. Edit. Fixed an auto correct that made my post confusing.
Tedford guys didn’t have a good track record at the time, but most of those guys played their rookie years for bad teams. Rodgers was in an ideal spot, not dissimilar to how Mahomes was perceived as needing some work and benefiting from almost an entire season on the bench.
Agreed. I had to fix an auto correct.
This is a take I see a lot but yeah I disagree with. He needed the years on the bench badly. In some old interviews after the Superbowl I believe from Ted Thompson, McCarthy and Rodgers they talked about how they had to completely overhaul his throwing motion into a more pro friendly and better mechanically. If he didn't have the time to improve without having to go out and win games I don't know he turns into a HOF or anything close to it.
Tom Clements is a Packers legend
Hot take: Rogers would have busted on the 49ers. There have been worse first round picks than Smith and he still had a solid career. He’s not a bust in the slightest. When it comes to QBs, the situation they go to matters more than talent imo.
Jury is still out on Kyle Pitts, but good God that draft was stacked. Seven of the next nine players picked are extreme difference makers at premium positions. In order: Jamarr Chase Penei Sewell Jaylen Waddle Patrick Surtain Devonta Smith Micah Parsons Rashawn Slater It’s unlikely even if Pitts is able to put together a terrific career that he’ll justify passing on many of those players.
If he reaches his full potential, he would be a true game changer. He would be a combo of kelce and aj brown. But, the odds that he reaches that potential AND the coaching staff knows how to maximize that talent is somewhat unlikely. For the record, I do like Pitts and think he's going to have a good-great career
Need him healthy! Question: do you think he could he ever be as good inline as Kelce? I certainly still have hope for his career.
Probably not. That's not really a knock on Pitts either. It's just that kelce is maybe the best ever from the inline. He's obviously very talented, but he's got Andy Reid drawing up plays for him to get open and get the ball a ton...and he's got the full trust of mahomes, which bodes well for him. Even if Pitts was as good at getting open from that position, he likely wouldn't have the same kind of success as kelce for those reasons. Plus, Pitts is so dangerous at every level that idk if that would be the best way to utilize him. He's a freak and, with some refining and solid qb play, could do aj brown things from the tight end position, which nobody would have an answer for. I'm really excited to see what he does this year with a real qb...and we know kirk will feed his star receiver lol
Funny how it was touted as such a strong QB class, then it was everyone but that were standouts
That’s unfair to Pitts especially considering how awful his coaching has been
Chase, Parsons, Sewell, and Surtain all top 3 at their positions, if not higher, right now. I’ll backtrack a little though because when we zoom out on their careers when all is said and done it may look different.
Cries in N’Keal Harry.
To be fair he was the last pick of the first round it's not like he was picked 5th overall. But yeah he wasn't great
I didn't even know Duke had a football team
Our other option was Dwayne Haskins. I’d say we made the right choice
Except if we went with Haskins we would have moved on by now. Instead we’re still in QB purgatory because Jones was *just* good enough to be given an extension the team already regrets
Daniel Jones is kinda cheeks I don't think that fits the bill
He's bad, but he's not trading down to draft Kadarius Toney instead of Micah Parsons bad. You're welcome, btw
Chris Long one pick before Matt Ryan
And Jake Long one pick before that.
That’s 2x Super Bowl Champion Chris Long to you. Fun fact, he was on the Patriots in the 28-3 SB to beat Matt Ryan.
They don't play exactly the same position but I was recently bemoaning the fact that the Pats took Kyle Dugger 8 picks before Antoine Winfield, Jr. in the 2020 draft. Dugger is a very good SS/LB hybrid, but Winfield, is an All Pro FS.
Everyone who passed on Winfield regrets it Vikings fans are still bringing it up every day four years later
On man the Bucs win. In 1982 They accidentally picked the wrong guy (Sean Ferrell instead of Booker Reese) and then in an attempt to fix it they traded away their first round pick in the 1983 draft so they could get Reese. 1983 draft class had John elway, Dan Marino, Jim Kelley and like a million other super talented players. They passed up their first round pick in on of the leagues most stacked draft classes bc they were doubling down after a technical error. https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/2342020
I'm mostly not joking when I say that if the Bucs drafted Elway, Marino, or Kelly, they would most likely have become Vinny Testaverde.
LaVar Arrington over Brian Urlacher
Iirc Arrington and Chris Samuels were the two most noteworthy players in the draft class WSH got from the Saints for Ricky Williams, right?
Champ Bailey too, but that was in combination with a couple of other trades. Man, they blew that one. That was the first Snyder mismanagement in my childhood memory
Only one of those was from the Williams trade. The other was their own pick but I don’t remember which is which
Bradley Chubb. He turned into a solid player and we got a good pick in return for him. But Quentin Nelson or Josh Allen would have been better. And for the former no hindsight needed
Nelson would have been awesome, but Allen needed a fair bit of work. We haven’t been historically great with developing QBs at all, let alone QBs that need some extra work
The whole "we fucked up taking Chubb and not Josh Allen" take is laden with revisionist history and one of my least favorite takes I see from Broncos fans. Allen was a very raw QB who needed to go to the right situation that included good coaches to help him hit his potential and a fanbase that wouldn't call for the next guy after a few rough games. Buffalo had those coaches, Denver did not (does anyone really think he would have developed when his HCs would have been Vance and Fangio and his OCs would have been Bill Musgrave and Rich Scangarello?). Buffalo at the time had much lower expectations and fan pressure, Denver had much higher expectations and more fan pressure. Honestly, Josh Allen would have been a bust if Denver drafted him.
I think Aldon Smith is worthy of a mention here. Many would (rightfully, in many ways) classify him as a bust, but he did more in two seasons than most pass rushers do in a career. However, JJ Watt was right there a couple spots down...
That 2011 class was littered with supreme defensive talent. Von Miller is a Super Bowl MVP and a 2x champ who led the NFL in sacks in the 2010s, and he might not even be the best defensive player in that draft class lol
I would say Von Miller is *almost certainly* not the best defensive player in the draft, which is would be completely absurd unless you knew who would follow him. If Aldon Smith hadn't had the off-the-field issues he had, we could very well be looking at 3 HOF DEs/OLBs going in the first 11 picks of the same draft. Insanity.
Aaron Donald was the 13th player and 3rd defensive lineman taken in his draft. Nothing wrong with Jadaveon Clowney or Khalil Mack but.. yea. Greatest Defensive Player of all time conversation vs. Borderline Hall of Famer vs good but not great 10 year starter.
Hard to regret the Khalil Mack decision. He’s a HOFer at one of the most important positions. The Rockets can’t really regret taking Hakeem Olajuwon just because Michael Jordan became the GOAT.
"Then play him at center"
Damn, I totally forgot they came out of the same draft class. Two very solid draft "regrets" there.
Alternatively, in 1983 the Jets took a quarterback at 21. Ken O'Brien was a ten year starter, who made multiple pro bowls, lead the league in QB Rating multiple times, held multiple team records. Sounds great right? The defending AFC champion Miami Dolphins took the next QB taken in the draft, the 6th and final of that legendary first round... Dan Marino.
Absolutely wild that Pittsburgh didn’t take Marino.
The thought was Bradshaw had about 3 or more years left, Noll also took Rivera as he wanted to build the team the same way, Rivera was supposed to be the next Joe Greene for Pittsburgh. Fate would have different ideas as Bradshaw would blow his arm out early in 83 and Rivera would be paralyzed in a car crash during his rookie season
That QB draft class with 3 Hall of Famers, 1 Hall of Very Good and 2 busts. Doesn't even take into account the other Hall of Famers in Eric Dickerson, Darrell Green, etc. I'm sure a lot of teams had "regrets" in that draft.
Steelers had a big need at TE and Center in 2021. They took Pat Freiermuth at 55, who has been a really solid (with flashes of elite play) player. Creed Humphrey went 8 picks later. They opted for Kendrick Green to plug C in round 3.
Packers taking Kevin King over TJ Watt 😩 TJ was from and played at Wisconsin, the packers were a dream scenario for him. This was also when JJ was tearing up the league and TJ could learn a lot just from his brothers experience
Had similar stats in college and at the combine as Clay Matthews. Still makes me sick. He should be a Packer
Is it only me or does it seem like the Packers don't actually like to take Wisconsin players? Maybe PTSD from Randy Wright and Scott Tolzein?
Jets also took Adam’s over mahomes and Watson. I get passing on Patrick but Watson should’ve been their pick. But no. They liked hackenburg -_-
Ken O’Brien. There’s no other answer
I came looking for a Jets answer!! O’Brien over Marino Jamal Adam’s over Mahomes Darnold over Allen Kyle Brady over Sapp I love hating the Jets!
Kyle Brady and Roger Vick.
>Roger Vick Oh no!
Every single team passed on Tom Brady at least 5x
But Brady might not have been Brady in any other situation. Everything changes everything.
Plenty of first round picks are considered busts and sometimes it’s just out of their hands, this is my general opinion about posts like these. The team, coaching staff, preparedness for entering the league, barring preexisting conditions such as injuries are a huge part of how a player with fit in, gel with the team, and possibly play at the next level has to do with timing and luck. I’d like to add, no one can imagine the pressure that’s on a freshly drafted rookie who’s supposed to replace a long time vet/team captain, maybe the coach and team but not the fans.
This would mean every team had 5 picks before 199, which I don’t think is accurate
How would the Pats fare with Brady with the old school top 10 rookie contract?
There weren't really "rookie" contracts back then. The term itself refers to rookie wage scale, which was the problem in that it didn't exist in 2000. When teams drafted players, they had to write their first contract whole cloth, which led to hold outs and exorbitant contracts for some. We simply have no way to know what Bradys contract as a top 10 pick would look like. *Maybe* it would resemble actual 10th overall pick Travis Taylor (5 years, $7.46m), maybe Chad Pennington (only quarterback from the first 2 rounds at 18 overall, 5 years, $23m)
I wouldn't really count it that way, since no one could've seen it coming. A player in that situation would only be a "regret" if they were taken shortly before Brady and wound up being a steal as well.
Where to begin.... Becton over Wirfs is a good recent example. For old school examples, Roger 'OH NO' Vick over the Nigerian Nightmare, O'Brien over Marino, Kyle Brady over Warren Sapp. There are more.
KC took Mecole Hardman *and* Juan Thornihill in the 7 picks before DK Metcalf was drafted. Mahomes to Metcalf and Tyreek would have been solid.
I would turn off my TV for a decade.
The Cardinals drafted Andy Isabella the pick immediately preceding DK Metcalf 🫠. Correction: Isabella was pick 62, DK was 64. And to a divisional rival no less. I still remember him running down Budda Baker on that damn near pick six. What an animal.
This is a really good example. Two teams draft players with elite speed but poor route running - just one of them went with the guy that was also huge.
I remember how beastmode DK looked in the combine and thought it was nuts how many teams passed in him.
Jerry Jeudy has been a fine player, but that WR class was absolutely stacked. He was the name everyone loved to talk about as the obvious best WR prospect in the class, never quite understood why his name was just constantly propped up. Ceedee Lamb and Justin Jefferson were both drafted in the 1st rnd and are on HOF trajectories.
> Justin Jefferson We're forever grateful to the Eagles for that Reagor pick
Jeudy might be trending toward a bust… when you mention Lamb and JJ both being in that draft… damn that’s brutal in hindsight Granted I do remember Jeudy being talked about everywhere that year
LJ Smith over Jason Witten.
Ken O'Brien. O'Brien was a serviceable QB. Had some very solid years for us. We took him over Dan Marino.
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Jadeveon Clowney
Haha, where do I start?
In the second round of the 2012 draft, the St Louis Rams traded down from 45 to 50. With pick 47, the division rival Seahawks took Bobby Wagner. Rams coach Jeff Fisher, who wanted the team to take Wagner at 45, was furious at the trade. He even developed a new phrase "Bobby Wagner mad", to describe a state of extreme displeasure.
Kevin Williams was a damn good player for the Vikings, just a shame the next pick after was Terrell Suggs
Idk. They feel like they're too close to be a regret. Kevin Williams was a 5x first team All Pro. Suggs was first team All Pro only once. Maybe Suggs' peak was higher as a defensive player of the year, and edge rusher has some more positional value, but Williams was one of the best players in the league at his position for a long time and a huge part of a great Vikings defensive front.
Yeah, Kevin Williams should be HOFer IMO
Marc Bulger was a 2x pro bowl QB, started 95 games in his career. Pretty great pick in the 6th round. If you don't think about how the next QB drafted was Tom Brady.
There it is! There’s the guy who fits the “regret” criteria over Tom Brady!
The 49ers taking Alex Smith #1 overall instead of Aaron Rodgers was a head scratcher. Aaron Rodgers went to Cal which was less than 20 miles from where the 49ers played (now it's much further). The 49ers were Aaron Rodgers' favorite team. He wore a Joe Montana t-shirt under this Cal jersey. And the 49ers went from Alex Smith -> Shaun Hill -> Colin Kaepernick -> Brian Hoyer -> Jimmy Garoppolo -> Nick Mullens -> Trey Lance -> Brock Purdy, with some other ones scattered in between. Maybe they finally have their starter with Purdy.
I don't think Aaron Rodgers would have succeeded under the coaching carousel that the Niners went through until Harbaugh. Knowing what we know about his personality now, I can't blame that front office from passing on him.
I know hindsight is 20/20, but Rodgers being a 49ers fan doesn’t really mean shit to a GM lol
I believe the full the order from Alex's rookie year - present was: Tim Rattay Alex Smith Tim Rattay Alex Smith Ken Dorsey Cody Pickett Ken Dorsey Alex Smith Trent Dilfer Alex Smith Trent Dilfer Shaun Hill Chris Weinke J.T. O'Sullivan Shaun Hill Alex Smith David Carr Troy Smith Alex Smith Troy Smith Alex Smith Colin Kaepernick Blaine Gabbert Colin Kaepernick Brian Hoyer CJ Beathard Jimmy Garoppolo CJ Beathard Nick Mullens Jimmy Garoppolo Nick Mullens CJ Beathard Jimmy Garoppolo CJ Beathard Jimmy Garoppolo Nick Mullens CJ Beathard Jimmy Garoppolo Trey Lance Jimmy Garoppolo Trey Lance Jimmy Garoppolo Trey Lance Jimmy Garoppolo Brock Purdy Josh Johnson Literally no one lol Brock Purdy Sam Darnold Brock Purdy I'm sure there's some I missed, but I tried to be as thorough as possible.
With the 7th pick of the 2011 draft the 49ers took Aldon Smith who had a spectacular couple of years. The 11th pick was JJ Watt.
I had so much hope for Reagor 😔
Trading up for Sammy Watkins instead of staying put and taking Mike Evans or OBJ
How did Keyshawn go first, while M. Harrison went 19th? And how did TO go 89th??
2007 draft Cardinals select Levi Brown with Adrian Petersen, Marshawn Lynch, Darrelle Revis, and Patrick Willis still on the board. 2019 draft Cardinals select Andy Isabella and DK Metcalf is chosen 2 picks later.
Neither of those were decent players though.
Tre White was solid AF for a long time... But instead of Patrick mahomes..
The thing that makes me feel better about that is that the Bills weren’t in the market for a QB that year so Tre White was always going to be the pick. With the trade, it let them also add Tremaine Edmunds and Dion Dawkins (who indirectly lead to them taking Josh Allen). I’d still take Mahomes over the three of them, but that was never in the cards.
I considered saying Ted Ginn, Jr., who was the second WR drafted in 2007 (after Megatron), but while he didn't have the kind of career you'd want from a number nine pick, he had a 13 year career of 193 games and does seem to actually be the second best receiver pick of that draft. I'm not going to do the research, but you'd be hard pressed to find a worse draft for WRs.
Ted Ginn Jr played most of his game on teams that DIDN'T draft him, too. Right?
[Three straight hall of famers were drafted after Tony Mandarich in the 1989 Draft](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_NFL_draft)
Seattle traded down from #12 to #15 and took Bruce Irvin in 2012. He was a good, not great, player who was a key part of our Super Bowl team and the great teams of the early mid-2010s, had a fun little Renaissance with the team in 2022, and is genuinely loved in and around Seattle. Pick #12 was Fletcher Cox.
I drafted Davis Boston over Tomlinson, his rookie year in a keeper league bc I need a WR.
Could of had Ceedee Lamb or Justin Jefferson but nope we took Ruggs who liked to go vroom vroom
The Vikings were on the clock when Kyle Hamilton was on the board, but we traded down to select Lewis Cine and he is probably getting cut this season
I wish the Browns drafted TJ Watt instead of Peppers. Peppers wasn’t bad but Imagine Watt and Garrett together. Even Joe Woods couldn’t hold them back.
Patriots in 2018 drafted Sony Michel 31st. Lamar Jackson was the next pick, Nick Chubb was 4 picks later. Michel had some decent seasons. Lamar won his first MVP in Tom Bradys last season on the Pats, Chubb has rushed for more yards than Michel's best season every year (not counting when he got injured last year).
Washington selected Laron Landry in 6th in 2007. Adrian Peterson was the very next pick .
Packers fans never stfu about taking Kevin King over TJ Watt. Which is valid but I personally will never get over drafting Vonnie Holliday two picks before arguably the best WR I ever had the pleasure of watching. Holliday over Moss will always be my answer to a question like this.
The Chiefs traded back with the Steelers and they selected Troy Polamalu (probably spelled it wrong). Meanwhile we selected Larry Johnson, he was a good a really good rb but we ran him into the ground and he didn't last long.
In 1998 the Lions used their first round pick on Terry Fair. The next selection was Randy Moss. The next year the Lions used their first round pick on Chris Claiborne. The next selection was Chris McAllister.
Simeon Rice is a hall of fame level career and arguably the best player on one of the greatest defenses of all time, terrible example lol he is not in the same category as Keyshawn or Hardy...
If you consider Rice to be a hall-of-famer, then Keyshawn and Hardy would still be the "regrets." Rice would just be the superstar taken after them (just like Ogden currently is).
Rice should be in the HOF. Crime that he isn’t.
Rice should probably be in the Hall, but Sapp, Brooks and Barber are better.
Browns take Gerard Warren at 3. He is a meh defensive tackle. As a boy I wanted LaDainian Tomlinson taken at 5. In the top 10 Richard Seymour was also taken. Gerard Warren was a high school crush of butch Davis who didn't get him at maimi.
In 2016 the browns took Myles Garrett a great player who has recently won a defensive player of the year award. However another player was also available. Patrick Mahomes
The Skins drafted Carlos Rogers at 9 with Aaron Rogers still on the board. Aaron was drafted 1 spot before our 2nd pick of the first round. I legit thought we got him because Favre was clearly not going anywhere. He’d been making noise about retiring but he clearly had 3-4 years left. Nope. Pack took him. To keep it 100, I think if he had gone to Washington the Gibbs 2.0 era would have lasted longer. OR…he’d have flamed out in 2-3 seasons because the org was super dysfunctional.
NVP Mitch lol
I’m gonna go with Eric Fisher for the Chiefs. The one year the Chiefs had the number 1 pick and it was the worst draft class of all time. It’s not even about the pick bc the only player that would’ve been much better is Landon Johnson but if it was one year later we could’ve had Andrew Luck
I think it worked out for you just fine in the end. Luck to KC sets off a lot of dominoes that likely end with Mahomes not in KC.