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This post literally says the same sentence 3 times in a row worded differently to make it longer.
> ARSB is the “benchmark” for Aiyuk’s contract
> “I was told the benchmark here is ARSB”
> He got $28m per year… The goal appears to be to try to beat that
OP is the person that was posting all the Lombardi tweets that pissed everyone off. I don't know how nobody in here noticed the same guy posts like 80% of the tweets on this sub.
Reminds me of recipe articles. You have to hit a certain word count to get good SEO so you can't just have the recipe. Instead, you need 8 paragraphs of nonsense saying the same thing and then you put the recipe you actually want at the bottom.
Let me tell you about how hitting this bench mark reminds me of how I skinned my knee when I was 6 years old.
*8 paragraph diatribe about unrelated topic*
"Simply **add "cooked.wiki/" in front of the URL in your browser's address bar when you're browsing for a recipe**. Cooked will give you a beautiful summarized recipe which you add your notes and edit to your liking."
Megatron had 5 tds in his record setting 1964 yard season. Getting double/triple teamed in the redzone is the point of these monster wrs. Makes throwing it to wr2/3 and the TE/RB much easier and safer.
He also probably went down at the one or two yard line 8+ times that year. Hell, the Dallas game alone I think he got tackled at the one or 2 yard line 3 times.
The guy had 1,200 yards in 2022. Would've cleared 1,100 again this past season if they didn't sit him week 18. He had 148 yards in the playoffs without AJ Brown. Jalen Hurts has also never thrown more than 3,900 yards or 24 TDs in a season, so the volume isn't even there to begin with. He'd be the WR1 for most of the teams in the NFL, he just so happens to share the field with a top-5 receiver.
It's with an understanding that Devonta would be a Number 1 Receiver in over half the teams in the league, but happens to be sharing the field with a Top 5 receiver.
I really don't understand that either. I know it's kind of a joke of a site, but Statmuse has Smith's last 15 games without AJB at 887 yards and 4 TD's. Over a 17 game season that's 1005 yards and 5 TD's. Right in line with his career season average of 1059 yards and 6 TD's.
He's extremely good, but Smith's role is as an elite WR2. Not sure how he would translate to a WR1 at his frame.
>but Statmuse has Smith's last 15 games without AJB at 887 yards and 4 TD's.
You mean when he was a rookie and Jalen Hurts was a *terrible* passer? That's not valid to use. He just had 148 yards in the playoffs without AJ Brown.
>Not sure how he would translate to a WR1 at his frame.
Why do people bring up his frame like it matters? He's never missed a game due to injury. He gets open at will. He can win jump balls. Antonio Brown is one of the best to ever play and he was undersized. Build doesn't really much in the modern era.
You do realize that the last time he’s played without AJB was his rookie year, right? AJB hasn’t missed a regular season game with the Eagles since joining the team. So that stat is kind of meaningless.
Actually there’s been one game since his rookie year he has played without AJB ,and it was the playoff game against the Bucs this past season where he had 8 catches for 148 yds.
And even if that wasn’t true, judging his production as a WR1 when the scheme isn’t built for that and the default #2 guy is really a WR3 is deeply misleading.
It's fine to use the stats, and the context isn't bad but you have to go deeper. The WR1 going out doesn't mean it's an easy transition to slide right into his spot. Generally one of two things happen. The WR2 has to take over the WR1 role in the concepts, and everyone slides around as needed. Or, another WR slides into the WR1 "role" while WR2 remains as is within the concepts. Either way the transition generally isn't smooth because either the WR2 has to take on route trees not necessarily developed for them, or maintains the same one but now with much more attention paid to them by defenses.
On top of that, quite a few of those stats were gathered from an Eagles Offense in 2023 that will go down in history as one of the most schematically incompetent in the history of the game.
Lastly, whether you believe his ceiling is as a truly Elite WR2 but getting nowhere to a WR1 or not, there would be quite a few teams willing to pay to find out if that's the case.
All of that, combined with the fact that the Eagles are an organization that historically takes care of its players financially, rarely if ever playing hardball. With them it's generally getting paid top dollar, or letting players seek out new contracts that they don't plan on paying a premium on without insulting them by lowballing them, which often invites players to come back around later on if the time is right.
Thus the Eagles are paying not just for productivity, but protection from other offers and maintaining a glowing reputation in the league amongst its players. It's how they get guys like Chris Long who, despite only being there for a fraction of his career, to become Eagles' lifers even post-retirement.
>Eagles Offense in 2023 that will go down in history as one of the most schematically incompetent in the history of the game.
I'm not X's and O's competent enough, but a post mortem on the Eagles late season collapse would be a cathartic read.
Watch Aiyuk sign during training camp and have an immediate downturn in production like Deebo and Bosa did. Would be nice to re-sign a player without it taking forever like seemingly every other team is capable of doing
I don't think Jefferson is looking at AJ Brown's contract. Jefferson resetting the market is a given. He will become the highest paid WR and that isn't even a question. The question is if Jefferson wants to reset the entire non QB market? Jefferson might want to become the highest paid non QB in the NFL.
We would be stupid not to pay him the money he wants. Jefferson is fucking special. Nick Bosa is the highest paid non qb right? So wed have to give JJ 35. Id say he's worth 7-8 mil more a year than amon ra.
Watson has the highest ceiling but his floor is probably the worst of the group. I'm not sure where he's going to fall on the list by the end of the season. He could be #1 or #4
Sure, but they all have the same mindset…..the big WRs are waiting on JJ to blow the roof off. If we could resign Chase right now we would but he’s going to wait. The eagles and lions are fortunate their guys did not wait around for Ceedee and JJ
Why do people blame the teams? I’m sure every team wants to be the first to sign their star player, but most star players want to be last since they want more money
People are shitting on the contract the Lions gave Jared. But with the way the league is going and with Trevor Lawrence, Tua, Love and more. They are going to surpass that this year potentially.
Dak wants to get paid even more now.
amazing timing that the other major WRs waiting to be signed are on the teams who can be the biggest problems for us: Aiyuk on the 9ers, CD on the Cowboys, and JJ on the Vikings. Brad played it very well to be the first of those four.
It's never abt who is better. It's about who's next up.
So not looking forward to Brock Purdy asking for 60M next year.
And no...he won't take below market value( in b4 other 49ers fans try to talk themselves into that) coz he'll have played 3 seasons at 800k and will have to make that for an additional season too..so he is absolutely gonna ask for 60M/ season.
Our window is closing and that's why this last SB loss was sooo frustrating to me...we have 2 shots left in 2024 and 25 before our margin for error in the draft becomes razor thin....but hey . it's what it is.
and then that quote that was paraded around just the other day where he said "It's not about the money" or whatever it was is gonna be mentioned a million times.
Tua is crazy to me in that if he balls out this year, then yeah he's getting a huge contract, years and dollars.
But if he gets another concussion which takes him out most of the year, he might get stuck on the 1 year rolling contract rotation for smaller amounts
I'm not saying it's not an advantage having a star qb playing on a 7th round salary but I think people stress too much about rookie contract windows. Sure purdy will be a bigger hit, but he'll also be more experienced. He's improved every month since he's been in the league.
You guys have also been really good at finding talent despite having 3 premium picks tied up in a failed qb project. Having a long term answer at qb means you'll be able to continue to draft pieces to help him. You'll occasionally lose a guy like aiyuk to salary cap woes but honestly that's a good problem to have, it means your FO is good at finding talent.
The future is bright for the 9ers, don't buy into this window is closing bs. You have a great head coach, a great gm, a young franchise qb, and a bunch of talented players on both sides of the ball.
This logic doesn’t apply for players in the same offseason.
The reason the “next up” always seems higher is because the cap increases most years. But the cap doesn’t increase twice in a single offseason.
Aiyuk can try to push the (il)logic that he should match/beat the Browns even though he’s not as good as either, but SF shouldn’t just cave.
Your logic makes sense in theory, but in the NFL it really is about who’s next. Last offseason Hurts, Herbert, and Burrow all signed new deals (in that order). Each one beat the mark set by the previous deal. In the 2022 offseason after Watson signed his big contract Kyler then signed a deal that just barely beat it, then Russ signed a contract beating that one. As long as players are with the same tier, their agent will always use the biggest/latest deal as their benchmark, even if the cap hasn’t increased since then.
Aiyuk has posted worse numbers than St Brown every year they've both been in the league while also being 2 years older than St Brown
They are not close.
Honestly think ARB is just better.
Ayuik is not getting that contract from the Niners without them making other moves.
Can they even fit that with the cap hits?
All they have to do is stagger it with Deebo's deal that ends after the 2025 season. Or trade Deebo next March.
Their cap situation doesn't prevent them from signing Aiyuk.
They play different roles. ARSB could be the best power slot playing at the moment, but he’s not much of a deep threat and he does his best work against zone coverage while lined up off the line of scrimmage. Whereas Aiyuk is one of the best man/press beaters in the league, he’s a fantastic X receiver.
Whispers seem to be pointing towards extending Aiyuk and then trading Deebo in time to manage the cap hit.
He's on 5th year option for a little over 14m. He can be, he won't be, franchised tagged twice.
If the niners want to be dicks, they won't, he's locked down through 26 season.
Knew that.
What's our take on guys getting extended prior to playing on their 5th year option?
In my mind it's the right idea, but don't haven't look at the data.
The 49ers have only made 1 player play on the 5th year option since shana/lynch. We did not resign the player after the 5th year option. It was McGlinchey.
Everyone else we paid before the season started
We'll expect to see something then.
I'm a Pats fan so there was definitely a ton of speculation about Ayuik to NE for a while. I was a little sus about it actually happening, but that's alright.
We'll see what the Bengals do with Higgins.
Extension wouldn’t kick in til next year so 2024 is unaffected no matter how big the contract is. For 2025, no they probably can’t fit any extension in without some other moves (ie, Deebo trade).
> without them making other moves.
We wouldn't need to make moves this offseason (at least as far as trading/cutting players). Aiyuk already has a 14m cap hit on his current contract and with a long extension you could put the big hits down the road. But yeah by next offseason we likely would need to make some sacrifices. It is what it is in a hard salary cap world.
Ppl don’t watch football tbh. They might as well play different positions, and the one Aiyuk plays is more valuable/more difficult to find premiere players at
The gap ain’t as big as you think
All you casuals are looking at yards and receptions and ignoring that fact that the Lions threw the ball over 100 times more than the Niners and only had two weapons in the pass game compared to 4 in SF
That means Aiyuk is more replaceable, no? He’s not the focal point of the offense and there’s 3 other guys who arguably are more valuable (Purdy, CMC, Trent Williams) that need to also get paid. I think it’s going to come down to whether Shannahan thinks Aiyuk is going to be the focal point of this future offense or not. If not, they’ll tag him or let him walk for a compensatory 3rd.
It means to the 9ers he may be more replaceable, but he will still set the bar there.
If he was able to produce very similar numbers to ARSB in an offense that passes significantly less, then the thought is his value as a player should be the same. The 9ers may see him as replaceable, but that will just mean he won't sign with them and go elsewhere to get paid
Yea like others have mentioned, he’s more replaceable to the Niners, but he’s not asking for $30M a year because that’s what he’s worth to the Niners, he’s asking for $30M/year because he’d probably get like $33M-$35M on a true open market. Guys sign for less than they’re worth in extensions because it gives them extra security and they have less control, if the franchise tag didn’t exist contracts for stars would be higher.
Should the Niners pay him? Depends on whether or not Pearsall is a bust imo. If he’s good, let Aiyuk walk, if he sucks, gotta pay Aiyuk
Is BA worth that much?
I legit can’t tell because the Niners offense is so stacked. I feel like CMC is the only one that’s worth breaking the bank for.
I love Aiyuk as a player but St. Brown is level above him, as a true top 5 WR in the league. BA isn’t far below him but he doesn’t deserve as much as St. Brown and certainly doesn’t deserve more.
I freaking love aiyuk but I’m fine riding the year out and if Ricky is the real deal then moving Aiyuk and putting that money into other areas of need in the roster.
Aiyuk is an amazing talent and deserves to be paid as such, but our offense just doesn’t hyper use a star WR to justify breaking the cap for him.
I disagree.
- We have a young developing QB. Having a great route-runner like Aiyuk is gonna help his development along.
- Our window is rapidly closing so we need everyone giving max effort. What we don't want is Aiyuk not running his routes as hard and not blocking downfield for CMC.
- He's the only receiver (Kittle included) we have that can get open on his own. Everyone else we have needs to be schemed open.
I agree that a run-heavy team typically shouldn't spend so much resources at WR. But we're in a unique situation.
Yeah there’s good points on both sides. I would say to that first point, if Ricky is a boss who can beat man, then I’d be fine taking that aiyuk money and rounding out the OL a bit more, good protection is also big for a developing QB.
I also don’t think the windows very close to closing. When you have an elite HC and QB you can keep a window open indefinitely so long as we draft just average.
I mean obviously I’d prefer keeping aiyuk because I love the guy, I’m just not going to freak out if we play it out then move him next year.
I'd much rather get rid of Deebo if we're gonna get rid of a WR.
As far as the window goes, the following starters have contracts expiring at the end of the season:
- Collins
- Greenlaw
- Lenoir
- Hufanga
- Ward
- Banks
- McKivitz
- Jennings
And there's also Feliciano (RG) and Ambry Thomas (Nickle) as potential starters with contracts expiring after the season.
Since the rookie wage scale got implemented the only coach and QB combos that's been able to keep their championship windows open are Bill and Brady, and Reid and Mahomes. I love Kyle and Brock and all but they're not at the level of those guys.
San fran should pony up, they dont necessarily need him right now, but in a couple years when kittle and cmc get old, hes gonna be the best skill player on that team, theyll need him then
We’ve got 6 million in cap space.
Deebo and Trent’s base salary is 20 million each this year…
We have the means to offer him a lot, just seems like there are a lot of moving pieces which is why this is taking awhile. I’d offer him 22 with incentives, we’ll see how it out though.
The 49ers love dragging this shit out. Happened with George Kittle, Fred Warner, Deebo Samuel and recently with Nick Bosa. And not surprisingly, those guys had a down year due to not being in shape on time. For example, Deebo said 2022 was an awful season for him since he was focused on a new contract and wasn't in the best shape. And recently Nick Bosa said he felt the difference and effect of his holdout last year, and how difficult it was getting ready for week 1 so late.
I really love Lynch and Shanahan's quirky little idea of waiting to sign guys for as long as possible, then caving in, then getting a mediocre season out of them, and then repeating the process with the next All-Pro they drafted.
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This post literally says the same sentence 3 times in a row worded differently to make it longer. > ARSB is the “benchmark” for Aiyuk’s contract > “I was told the benchmark here is ARSB” > He got $28m per year… The goal appears to be to try to beat that
Peak sports journalism
>142 followers
Wow you’re not kidding, posted 14 hours ago with no likes. Must be the users Twitter account, posting it instead of linking to Fowler directly
Which would be silly with a Rams flair and the Twitter name is Firstand49ers
OP is the person that was posting all the Lombardi tweets that pissed everyone off. I don't know how nobody in here noticed the same guy posts like 80% of the tweets on this sub.
I don’t think most people look at usernames
eh, Kimber does post a lot but some of the Purdy and Lombardi posts were certainly from 49ers fan(s).
I mean who is actually following “firstand49ers?”
And it misspells "Amon-Ra" the first time around.
The Sun God has smote people for lesser transgressions
For a middle school kid trying to meet a word quota for their English teacher.
Tell them what you're gonna tell them Tell them Tell them what you told them That's just an accelerated college essay.
Reminds me of recipe articles. You have to hit a certain word count to get good SEO so you can't just have the recipe. Instead, you need 8 paragraphs of nonsense saying the same thing and then you put the recipe you actually want at the bottom.
Let me tell you about how hitting this bench mark reminds me of how I skinned my knee when I was 6 years old. *8 paragraph diatribe about unrelated topic*
150 words or else Google won’t index it. That’s why a lot of articles just end with reciting stats.
I haven’t used it but there is a Firefox extension that moves the recipe to the top of the page so you can skip all that.
They pretty much always have a "jump to recipe" button at the top now.
"Simply **add "cooked.wiki/" in front of the URL in your browser's address bar when you're browsing for a recipe**. Cooked will give you a beautiful summarized recipe which you add your notes and edit to your liking."
Reminds me of when I was writing a three page minimum paper in high school.
Need that ad money even when there's no news to break.
Me when I need to turn one paragraph into a one-page paper
Written sports AI
That’s how NFL contracts work for star players.
I think I read they were offering him more like Devonta Smith type money, $26m apy
Damn devonta gets paid very well to get 1000 yards and 6 TDs a year
Julio Jones was a yard machine, but in his time in Atlanta averaged 6 touchdowns a season also.
Same with Andre Johnson who never had double digit TDs in a season.
Megatron had 5 tds in his record setting 1964 yard season. Getting double/triple teamed in the redzone is the point of these monster wrs. Makes throwing it to wr2/3 and the TE/RB much easier and safer.
He also probably went down at the one or two yard line 8+ times that year. Hell, the Dallas game alone I think he got tackled at the one or 2 yard line 3 times.
That was his 300 yard game right? That was so fucking shit. I hate you guys, but fuck did i love watching megatron. Him and barry deserved rings :(
Yeah it was lol.
The 300 yard Dallas game was in 2013 not in his record breaking 2012 season.
AB was the exception, he was racking up yards like Julio and had the TD production to boot
Roses are red Pickles are made with brine First down Calvin Johnson on the one yard line.
That was Arian Foster’s fault.
The guy had 1,200 yards in 2022. Would've cleared 1,100 again this past season if they didn't sit him week 18. He had 148 yards in the playoffs without AJ Brown. Jalen Hurts has also never thrown more than 3,900 yards or 24 TDs in a season, so the volume isn't even there to begin with. He'd be the WR1 for most of the teams in the NFL, he just so happens to share the field with a top-5 receiver.
It's with an understanding that Devonta would be a Number 1 Receiver in over half the teams in the league, but happens to be sharing the field with a Top 5 receiver.
I really don't understand that either. I know it's kind of a joke of a site, but Statmuse has Smith's last 15 games without AJB at 887 yards and 4 TD's. Over a 17 game season that's 1005 yards and 5 TD's. Right in line with his career season average of 1059 yards and 6 TD's. He's extremely good, but Smith's role is as an elite WR2. Not sure how he would translate to a WR1 at his frame.
>but Statmuse has Smith's last 15 games without AJB at 887 yards and 4 TD's. You mean when he was a rookie and Jalen Hurts was a *terrible* passer? That's not valid to use. He just had 148 yards in the playoffs without AJ Brown. >Not sure how he would translate to a WR1 at his frame. Why do people bring up his frame like it matters? He's never missed a game due to injury. He gets open at will. He can win jump balls. Antonio Brown is one of the best to ever play and he was undersized. Build doesn't really much in the modern era.
You do realize that the last time he’s played without AJB was his rookie year, right? AJB hasn’t missed a regular season game with the Eagles since joining the team. So that stat is kind of meaningless. Actually there’s been one game since his rookie year he has played without AJB ,and it was the playoff game against the Bucs this past season where he had 8 catches for 148 yds.
It was also Jalens first year as a starter and he wasn't as refined as a passer yet.
And even if that wasn’t true, judging his production as a WR1 when the scheme isn’t built for that and the default #2 guy is really a WR3 is deeply misleading.
It's fine to use the stats, and the context isn't bad but you have to go deeper. The WR1 going out doesn't mean it's an easy transition to slide right into his spot. Generally one of two things happen. The WR2 has to take over the WR1 role in the concepts, and everyone slides around as needed. Or, another WR slides into the WR1 "role" while WR2 remains as is within the concepts. Either way the transition generally isn't smooth because either the WR2 has to take on route trees not necessarily developed for them, or maintains the same one but now with much more attention paid to them by defenses. On top of that, quite a few of those stats were gathered from an Eagles Offense in 2023 that will go down in history as one of the most schematically incompetent in the history of the game. Lastly, whether you believe his ceiling is as a truly Elite WR2 but getting nowhere to a WR1 or not, there would be quite a few teams willing to pay to find out if that's the case. All of that, combined with the fact that the Eagles are an organization that historically takes care of its players financially, rarely if ever playing hardball. With them it's generally getting paid top dollar, or letting players seek out new contracts that they don't plan on paying a premium on without insulting them by lowballing them, which often invites players to come back around later on if the time is right. Thus the Eagles are paying not just for productivity, but protection from other offers and maintaining a glowing reputation in the league amongst its players. It's how they get guys like Chris Long who, despite only being there for a fraction of his career, to become Eagles' lifers even post-retirement.
>Eagles Offense in 2023 that will go down in history as one of the most schematically incompetent in the history of the game. I'm not X's and O's competent enough, but a post mortem on the Eagles late season collapse would be a cathartic read.
Devonta smith is dope, pay him whatever he wants. Dude always comes in clutch when we need him
He was the only player that showed up in the Wildcard. Never once takes plays off
It's hilarious that all the non-Eagles flairs are confused by Devonta's salary but all the Eagles fans know he's worth every penny and more
Pretty good stats considering the person on the other side gets 1400 yds
Damn, u/SwagLordxfedora outs themselves as someone who doesn't really understand or watch football much with just one comment
I would value him higher than that, personally.
I would value him much higher as well. Make him the highest paid receiver in the league.
Davonte gets paid $95.5 M over the next 5 years. That works out to a shade over 19M APY.
Only because that includes the last two years of his rookie contract. His apy is $25m on the new money. https://overthecap.com/position/wide-receiver
lol right? Jeremy Fowler trying to sound like he's in the know. Could've just quoted anyone on this subreddit and they'd tell you the same thing.
Imagine not signing your star WRs before OTAs
Imagine signing your star WRs 😭
You got any more for us to sign? Could really use a WR3
What's a WR?
Trading us Burks would be the funniest thing ever😂
like trading Jalen Reagor to Minnesota
It would be funny but you don't want him lol
No one wants anything from that franchise at this point lol
You’ll sign our trash and you’ll like it 😤
I mean, I'll take Jeffery Simmons if you're gonna twist my arm about it
I’d take Boyd
I’d take Hopkins any day.
Imagine having star WRs 😓
Niners always seem to wait till the last minute to even really get going on negotiations. I don’t get it
Watch Aiyuk sign during training camp and have an immediate downturn in production like Deebo and Bosa did. Would be nice to re-sign a player without it taking forever like seemingly every other team is capable of doing
We traded our best one lmao
Imagine what Jefferson is going to get. We might not have a true #1 yet but I’m glad all our WRs are cheap right now.
> Imagine what Jefferson is going to get. About 1x salary cap, give or take.
I don't think Jefferson is looking at AJ Brown's contract. Jefferson resetting the market is a given. He will become the highest paid WR and that isn't even a question. The question is if Jefferson wants to reset the entire non QB market? Jefferson might want to become the highest paid non QB in the NFL.
That is confirmed to be their goal
We would be stupid not to pay him the money he wants. Jefferson is fucking special. Nick Bosa is the highest paid non qb right? So wed have to give JJ 35. Id say he's worth 7-8 mil more a year than amon ra.
At least JJ deserves it
I mean to be fair Brandon Aiyuk has similar numbers to Amon Ra St Brown
I mean to be fair Brandon Aiyuk has similar numbers to Amon Ra St Brown
Am I missing a copypasta?
No, it's just a thing redditors do sometimes when one person accidentally double posts, which the person you're responding to did.
Ah, I didn't clock two comments were the same poster. I just saw a lot of the same comment and thought it was pasta.
St. Brown is a fullback that the Lions also run out of the slot. He's one of the best football players in the league.
I mean to be fair Brandon Aiyuk has similar numbers to Amon Ra St Brown
I mean to be fair Brandon Aiyuk has similar numbers to Amon Ra St Brown
I mean to be fair Brandon Aiyuk has similar numbers to Amon Ra St Brown
If Watson gets those hamstrings in order I think you might.
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Watson has the highest ceiling but his floor is probably the worst of the group. I'm not sure where he's going to fall on the list by the end of the season. He could be #1 or #4
Reed, Doubs, Watson, Wicks, Melton and Heath all on cheap contracts for the next couple of seasons with Love throwing to them is a scary thought.
Whoa whoa whoa let's be fair here. We also have Luke Musgrave and Tucker Kraft out there as good young TEs who are also cheap currently.
He is going to get 30 easy.
Highest non-QB contract in the league. JJ ain't competing with St. Brown. He's competing with Bosa.
Brandon how do you feel about being overpaid and being the only WR1 in New England?
would be a smart wr to get to see if maye got that nnaise in the tank
Please god
I doubt it was ever happening but Pittsburgh is definitely not paying that lmao.
Yea I never understood the aiyuk push. Did people not realize we'd need to pay him and that it would be a record setting contract?
I’m surprised we didn’t grab E. St. Brown. He’s huge and a very willing blocker.
Yeah probably not necessary imo, Steelers have been one of the best teams at developing WRs
So glad we signed Sun God first Brad Holmes getting out in front is just another feather in his cap of being an elite GM
Dallas sitting on their hands while the price for CeeDee goes up and up and up
Eh, chase is literally waiting on JJ
JJ was drafted a year earlier though.
Sure, but they all have the same mindset…..the big WRs are waiting on JJ to blow the roof off. If we could resign Chase right now we would but he’s going to wait. The eagles and lions are fortunate their guys did not wait around for Ceedee and JJ
Why do people blame the teams? I’m sure every team wants to be the first to sign their star player, but most star players want to be last since they want more money
Because Dallas is doing it consistently across their top players.
Yeah, do they think these other teams aren’t dealing with the same thing from their stars? And yet somehow many of them are getting deals done
Except you guys seems to have that problem with every damn player. I dont think the water is different in Dallas. Seems to be an FO thing.
Jerry jones literally said he wanted to wait to sign Ceedee, so blaming the cowboys makes a lot of sense.
What's going on with JJ? You would think the Vikings would want to sign him asap
JJ knows that he can afford to be last. The Vikings pretty much have to make him the highest paid WR, no matter what comes beforehand.
Takes 2 to tango. Theres no reason for JJ to sign before anyone else before the season starts.
Easier said than done. It’s a waiting game. Some teams have it easier than others.
If I’m JJ, I’m waiting for max money and/or to see what McCarthy actually is.
Holmes is the opposite of Matt Millen. Back to you, booger.
How dare you bring up that cursed name!
People are shitting on the contract the Lions gave Jared. But with the way the league is going and with Trevor Lawrence, Tua, Love and more. They are going to surpass that this year potentially. Dak wants to get paid even more now.
amazing timing that the other major WRs waiting to be signed are on the teams who can be the biggest problems for us: Aiyuk on the 9ers, CD on the Cowboys, and JJ on the Vikings. Brad played it very well to be the first of those four.
I’m wondering why ARSB is the benchmark? He outperformed BA last season
It's never abt who is better. It's about who's next up. So not looking forward to Brock Purdy asking for 60M next year. And no...he won't take below market value( in b4 other 49ers fans try to talk themselves into that) coz he'll have played 3 seasons at 800k and will have to make that for an additional season too..so he is absolutely gonna ask for 60M/ season. Our window is closing and that's why this last SB loss was sooo frustrating to me...we have 2 shots left in 2024 and 25 before our margin for error in the draft becomes razor thin....but hey . it's what it is.
Next up? Tua at $57m a year, I've been telling people :o
Dak looking for a huge bag too
and then that quote that was paraded around just the other day where he said "It's not about the money" or whatever it was is gonna be mentioned a million times.
Pretty sure Goff said the pain thing he wanted was the no trade clause and not the money, and yet he got the big bucks anyways. Dak gonna be paid
As is Lawrence
Tua is crazy to me in that if he balls out this year, then yeah he's getting a huge contract, years and dollars. But if he gets another concussion which takes him out most of the year, he might get stuck on the 1 year rolling contract rotation for smaller amounts
I'm not saying it's not an advantage having a star qb playing on a 7th round salary but I think people stress too much about rookie contract windows. Sure purdy will be a bigger hit, but he'll also be more experienced. He's improved every month since he's been in the league. You guys have also been really good at finding talent despite having 3 premium picks tied up in a failed qb project. Having a long term answer at qb means you'll be able to continue to draft pieces to help him. You'll occasionally lose a guy like aiyuk to salary cap woes but honestly that's a good problem to have, it means your FO is good at finding talent. The future is bright for the 9ers, don't buy into this window is closing bs. You have a great head coach, a great gm, a young franchise qb, and a bunch of talented players on both sides of the ball.
This logic doesn’t apply for players in the same offseason. The reason the “next up” always seems higher is because the cap increases most years. But the cap doesn’t increase twice in a single offseason. Aiyuk can try to push the (il)logic that he should match/beat the Browns even though he’s not as good as either, but SF shouldn’t just cave.
Your logic makes sense in theory, but in the NFL it really is about who’s next. Last offseason Hurts, Herbert, and Burrow all signed new deals (in that order). Each one beat the mark set by the previous deal. In the 2022 offseason after Watson signed his big contract Kyler then signed a deal that just barely beat it, then Russ signed a contract beating that one. As long as players are with the same tier, their agent will always use the biggest/latest deal as their benchmark, even if the cap hasn’t increased since then.
Considering that AJ Brown has already at least in terms of AAV beaten the St Brown deal wouldn't Aiyuks camp use that as the floor?
Aiyuk isn't as good as AJ Brown
That’s not how it works. He’s not as good as Brown or Amon Ra, but he’s close enough where he can at least get an equal contract
Actually him and Sun God arent that far apart imo.
LOL this is crazy
Aiyuk has posted worse numbers than St Brown every year they've both been in the league while also being 2 years older than St Brown They are not close.
He's on the most stacked offensive roster in the league and was only 150 yards behind Amon with 50 less targets lol Cool off
He's not as good as St Brown either.
Who is Amon-Rae??? He is a top 5 WR and y’all still disrespecting him can’t spell his name right 🤦♂️
He’s Amon-Bae in my heart ❤️
Can't believe the lions got both Amon-Ra and Amon-Rae. 2 top 5 receivers. Brad Holmes truly is a genius
When you’re just shy of the word requirement:
Honestly think ARB is just better. Ayuik is not getting that contract from the Niners without them making other moves. Can they even fit that with the cap hits?
All they have to do is stagger it with Deebo's deal that ends after the 2025 season. Or trade Deebo next March. Their cap situation doesn't prevent them from signing Aiyuk.
They play different roles. ARSB could be the best power slot playing at the moment, but he’s not much of a deep threat and he does his best work against zone coverage while lined up off the line of scrimmage. Whereas Aiyuk is one of the best man/press beaters in the league, he’s a fantastic X receiver. Whispers seem to be pointing towards extending Aiyuk and then trading Deebo in time to manage the cap hit.
That will be very interesting when they trade Deebo. We'll see where he goes. What's the deadline for Ayuiks extension this off-season?
He's on 5th year option for a little over 14m. He can be, he won't be, franchised tagged twice. If the niners want to be dicks, they won't, he's locked down through 26 season.
Knew that. What's our take on guys getting extended prior to playing on their 5th year option? In my mind it's the right idea, but don't haven't look at the data.
The 49ers have only made 1 player play on the 5th year option since shana/lynch. We did not resign the player after the 5th year option. It was McGlinchey. Everyone else we paid before the season started
We'll expect to see something then. I'm a Pats fan so there was definitely a ton of speculation about Ayuik to NE for a while. I was a little sus about it actually happening, but that's alright. We'll see what the Bengals do with Higgins.
Yeah Aiyuk/Pearsall seems to make more sense than Deebo/Pearsall
Extension wouldn’t kick in til next year so 2024 is unaffected no matter how big the contract is. For 2025, no they probably can’t fit any extension in without some other moves (ie, Deebo trade).
> without them making other moves. We wouldn't need to make moves this offseason (at least as far as trading/cutting players). Aiyuk already has a 14m cap hit on his current contract and with a long extension you could put the big hits down the road. But yeah by next offseason we likely would need to make some sacrifices. It is what it is in a hard salary cap world.
ARSB is better though and more pivotal to his team's success.
That doesn't matter when it comes to nfl contracts. If you're a top 10ish player, you're going to get a top of the market contract
Ppl don’t watch football tbh. They might as well play different positions, and the one Aiyuk plays is more valuable/more difficult to find premiere players at
The gap ain’t as big as you think All you casuals are looking at yards and receptions and ignoring that fact that the Lions threw the ball over 100 times more than the Niners and only had two weapons in the pass game compared to 4 in SF
That means Aiyuk is more replaceable, no? He’s not the focal point of the offense and there’s 3 other guys who arguably are more valuable (Purdy, CMC, Trent Williams) that need to also get paid. I think it’s going to come down to whether Shannahan thinks Aiyuk is going to be the focal point of this future offense or not. If not, they’ll tag him or let him walk for a compensatory 3rd.
It means to the 9ers he may be more replaceable, but he will still set the bar there. If he was able to produce very similar numbers to ARSB in an offense that passes significantly less, then the thought is his value as a player should be the same. The 9ers may see him as replaceable, but that will just mean he won't sign with them and go elsewhere to get paid
He plays X, finding a top tier x receiver who is a top 5 talent and separator is extremely difficult
Yea like others have mentioned, he’s more replaceable to the Niners, but he’s not asking for $30M a year because that’s what he’s worth to the Niners, he’s asking for $30M/year because he’d probably get like $33M-$35M on a true open market. Guys sign for less than they’re worth in extensions because it gives them extra security and they have less control, if the franchise tag didn’t exist contracts for stars would be higher. Should the Niners pay him? Depends on whether or not Pearsall is a bust imo. If he’s good, let Aiyuk walk, if he sucks, gotta pay Aiyuk
it’s not happening with a team looking to compete.
$28,000,001 per year it is
Not even close to worth it Lmao
Aiyuk isn’t as good as St. Brown, at least IMO. Aiyuk was like the 3rd option in his own offense, while Amon was the 1st by a wide margin.
St. Brown is better though...
Is BA worth that much? I legit can’t tell because the Niners offense is so stacked. I feel like CMC is the only one that’s worth breaking the bank for.
Amon Ra deserves more than Aiyuk
Patriots got that kinda money
Brandon Aiyuk has 0% business being paid like Amon-RA.
How can you try to beat the contract of a better player and think that's reasonable
He’s not even a top 10 WR so why would he get that 😂
So glad the packers have 5- #2s combined under 10m
I’d say more 1/2 WR2s and the rest WR3s
"I never f'ed a 10, but one night I f'ed five 2's!" - George Carlin
I would not complain if Reed or Wicks ended up being worth a nice payday down the road though...
Is everyone really gonna pretend aiyuk is sniffing the top 10 in WR now?
ASRB is the much better player
Love my guy BA, but CMC, a RB, had the same if not more receptions on the year. Know your place.
I love Aiyuk as a player but St. Brown is level above him, as a true top 5 WR in the league. BA isn’t far below him but he doesn’t deserve as much as St. Brown and certainly doesn’t deserve more.
Ok, but hear me out. Is Aiyuk worth more than ARSB?
Amon Ra is a way better player. Makes no sense
There's no way Aiyuk is more valuable than the sun god
I freaking love aiyuk but I’m fine riding the year out and if Ricky is the real deal then moving Aiyuk and putting that money into other areas of need in the roster. Aiyuk is an amazing talent and deserves to be paid as such, but our offense just doesn’t hyper use a star WR to justify breaking the cap for him.
I disagree. - We have a young developing QB. Having a great route-runner like Aiyuk is gonna help his development along. - Our window is rapidly closing so we need everyone giving max effort. What we don't want is Aiyuk not running his routes as hard and not blocking downfield for CMC. - He's the only receiver (Kittle included) we have that can get open on his own. Everyone else we have needs to be schemed open. I agree that a run-heavy team typically shouldn't spend so much resources at WR. But we're in a unique situation.
Yeah there’s good points on both sides. I would say to that first point, if Ricky is a boss who can beat man, then I’d be fine taking that aiyuk money and rounding out the OL a bit more, good protection is also big for a developing QB. I also don’t think the windows very close to closing. When you have an elite HC and QB you can keep a window open indefinitely so long as we draft just average. I mean obviously I’d prefer keeping aiyuk because I love the guy, I’m just not going to freak out if we play it out then move him next year.
I'd much rather get rid of Deebo if we're gonna get rid of a WR. As far as the window goes, the following starters have contracts expiring at the end of the season: - Collins - Greenlaw - Lenoir - Hufanga - Ward - Banks - McKivitz - Jennings And there's also Feliciano (RG) and Ambry Thomas (Nickle) as potential starters with contracts expiring after the season. Since the rookie wage scale got implemented the only coach and QB combos that's been able to keep their championship windows open are Bill and Brady, and Reid and Mahomes. I love Kyle and Brock and all but they're not at the level of those guys.
Hard disagree.
Aiyuk is a good receiver, but I'm not sure he's ARSB equivilent.... good luck dude
Come on Patriots, use up some of that league leading cap space and get Aiyuk on board. Do it!
San fran should pony up, they dont necessarily need him right now, but in a couple years when kittle and cmc get old, hes gonna be the best skill player on that team, theyll need him then
I wish the Texans would extend Collins before he had the chance to command anywhere close to ARSB money.
We’ve got 6 million in cap space. Deebo and Trent’s base salary is 20 million each this year… We have the means to offer him a lot, just seems like there are a lot of moving pieces which is why this is taking awhile. I’d offer him 22 with incentives, we’ll see how it out though.
The 49ers love dragging this shit out. Happened with George Kittle, Fred Warner, Deebo Samuel and recently with Nick Bosa. And not surprisingly, those guys had a down year due to not being in shape on time. For example, Deebo said 2022 was an awful season for him since he was focused on a new contract and wasn't in the best shape. And recently Nick Bosa said he felt the difference and effect of his holdout last year, and how difficult it was getting ready for week 1 so late.
Yeah but ARSB was the Lions clear #1 and Top 5 in the League. Good Luck
$100m/yr player coming in my lifetime at this rate. insane.
I hate to tell aiyuk... wait no I don't. He's not that player. But I hope he gets that because it'll hurt the 49ers haha
I really love Lynch and Shanahan's quirky little idea of waiting to sign guys for as long as possible, then caving in, then getting a mediocre season out of them, and then repeating the process with the next All-Pro they drafted.