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whattheschram

all the leverage in the world w that receiver room


VanDenIzzle

Chargers needed a WR more than the Cardinals did when they drafted MHJ


JackHaysColtRevolver

Which is crazy, just last year they had one of the best rooms in the league


Nerfeveryone

Then Mike Williams tore his ACL, and then Keenan got hurt, and then Herbert got hurt, and then Josh Palmer got hurt.


LakeShowBoltUp

Herbert got hurt early in the season and was not the same two years in a row. O-line was absolutely the right move.


batman0615

As someone that wanted Alt or Nabers and got neither cause of y’all I disagree.


solarmelange

I feel like Giants taking a QB was the more obvious pick that went wrong for you.


Scrubtanic

Definitely. I was so convinced Alt or Nabers would be there because it was a foregone conclusion someone would trade up for a QB (or NYG would take one).


sirius4778

I'll never criticize a team taking o line early. I remember when the Lions took Sewell saying it wasn't the sexy pick but it was the right one. You just can't go wrong building the o line


-banned-

Arguable at best, Mike Williams is not that good. How many people give a shit that he’s on the Jets now? Almost no one


StankWizard

I’m a fan of big mikes game when he’s on, but MetLife has way too many chances to cut his season short


MonarchLawyer

Yeah it's kind of comical that such an injury prone player went to the team that has the field that causes the most injuries.


IllIIllIlIlllIIlIIl

Which naturally means he's going to play in every game this season.


Mustakrakish_Awaken

Honestly I keep having to remind myself that he's a jet. All the headlines right now from camp are trying to convince fans that Lazard isn't a total bum


backstageninja

I don't understand the hype for Mike Williams. Only two years over 1k yards, somehow never starts every game even after getting the bag, only two years over 5 TDs. I don't get it, and I don't get why the Chargers paid so much for a between the 20s deep threat.


-banned-

Idk either, Chargers fans loved the guy. Never understood why


DJ-LIQUID-LUCK

Explosive deep ball threat who was also technically talented and left his heart, and often ACL, out on the field. Not that hard to understand


jonhamm666

For the game and a half that he and Rodgers are healthy it will be a nice addition to the offense


Fair-Juggernaut-8756

He is a clutch player in big moments, but he's never available.


Spiritual_Boss6114

Then QJ who I have no idea how he got drafted in the first round, got picked and stunk it up. The dude had the world handed to him. Elite QB. Number 3 guy for the first half. Should have cooked against DBs.


ItsNotFordo88

Plenty of players have a rough rookie year and then turn it around. Hopefully QJ is one of them, but goddamn that was rough last year.


MistahTeacher

QJ has fundamental flaws. Mainly being he’s a body catcher and plays smaller than tyreek hill.


ItsNotFordo88

Plenty of players have a rough rookie year and then turn it around. Hopefully QJ is one of them, but goddamn that was rough last year.


sahila

Good bot


ItsNotFordo88

Plenty of players have a rough rookie year and then turn it around. Hopefully QJ is one of them, but goddamn that was rough last year.


Nduguu77

He is not good. Look at Claypool and you'll see an exact copy


ItsNotFordo88

Did I say he was good?


TigersBadDrives

Plenty of players have a rough rookie year and then turn it around. Hopefully QJ is one of them, but goddamn that was rough last year.


ItsNotFordo88

Plenty of players have a rough rookie year and then turn it around. Hopefully QJ is one of them, but goddamn that was rough last year.


PocketPerkeo

That's.... certainly a take. Their wide receiver room was quite average at best.


Lonelan

Chargers needed a WR more than Ben Affleck needs acting school circa Pearl Harbor


roosterchains

Wr 1 money lol Edit - for people who don't get it, he is our wr 1 and the guaranteed money in his contract shows it.


Cactusjack666226

What’s a normal rookie contract ? Ik 4 years is a lot, dude must be cracked getting paid before even a preseason game down lol


TheVillianousFondler

4 years is boilerplate for a 2nd Rd pick. They all get 4 year contracts. There are small things that can be negotiated on and it seems mcconkey got at least close to the max on them. The rookie wage scale is mostly in stone based on pick used on the player. Things got simplified after Sam Bradford held out to get a crazy deal all those years ago, so the next cba put more strict outlines on rookie contracts and there isn't that much negotiating room anymore


Professional_Gas8021

We all want to get home to our hotplates 


TheVillianousFondler

Im gonna be honest here, I'm not an NFL agent, my primary practice is in bird law


PigSlam

I focus on other Lawyerings.


Nduguu77

I'm very unsatisfied that I didn't get to use the battering ram


WaitWhattt777

Sorry, where did you go to law school again?


vluvojo

True, nothing hits better immediately after walking in the door from work than a hotknife


Soccean

I think the biggest reason for delays in signing now are (besides the few things they can negotiate) is navigating tight caps and how much cash the team has on hand for the contract at any given moment


LakeShowBoltUp

Ladd fell right in the range where there are tough negotiations. Agents have been focusing on that range of the draft for a while now as where they try to drive the hardest bargains.


rex5k

conceptually, new players entering the draft are not part of the NFLPA right? So what's stopping a heisman Trophy winner like Caleb Williams from holding out and demanding a better deal?


MisterMetal

I believe they need to join the NFLPA to play in the NFL. It’s not like the coaches union where you can still coach while not in the union like Belichick did.


OldSheeps

I believe they need to abide by the cba to play, whether they join the nflpa or not, though you'd still be paying to the nflpa regardless.


SmokePenisEveryday

The fact he'd be in an endless cycle with this. Bears would hold his rights until the following draft. Where another team could then draft him but they also aren't gonna offer a deal not outlined by the CBA.


backstageninja

Bosa did this a few years back. and the answer is, if he doesn't sign it he'll never get paid. But also rookie deals are mostly dictated by the NFL, while there are some tweaks that can be done the team can't really change big things about those contracts (offset language, pay schedule, guarantees etc. can be changed, but you can't hold out for a bigger deal)


EBtwopoint3

The salary is set by the rookie scale. This is just a record for how much of the deal is guaranteed. This deal is for 4 years $9.9m (2.23m per year). This article is pointless. He got more money than LaPorta did last year because the rookie wage scale goes up with the cap. He got more of the deal guaranteed because the team wants him happy and in camp rather than fighting him over $1m guaranteed over 4 years.


Cifra00

Minor correction that this is referring to Levis (who was the 2nd pick of the 2nd round, despite being 33rd overall) and not LaPorta, which I do think is at least somewhat noteworthy since as the headline says, it managed to outpace the "QB Premium"


TetrisTech

Every player gets paid before a preseason game down


Cactusjack666226

I thought I was like 2-3 but 4 is it that usualy not being sarcastic I just don’t remember 4 being standard


TetrisTech

Yes it’s always 4


sfzen

Early 2nd round picks get roughly $9-10 million total over 4 years. The only real variance and point of negotiation is how the signing bonus and guarantees are configured.


Cactusjack666226

Is 4 years the max then what’s most draft picks given 4? 2? I thought it was 2 or 3?


West1234567890

1st rd picks get 4yr guaranteed and the team gets a 5th year option.  All other picks also get 4 yrs and are also fully guaranteed for the 4 years outside of non football stuff that you can negotiate and sounds like McConkey can buy the Harley if he wants


sfzen

1st round picks sign 4 years contracts that have a 5th year team option. Every other draft pick signs a 4 year contract. UDFA's sign 3 year contracts.


NomadFire

I was told Spanos was cheap.


[deleted]

You think giving guaranteed money to a 2nd round pick is breaking the bank? 


SEND-MARS-ROVER-PICS

I do think the recent embarrassments have forced the Spanos' into spending (our new practice facility is opening for this preseason, and they hired Harbaugh and co. rather than cheaping out again). McConkey's contract isn't the big money move though.


NomadFire

I was mostly being funny, but I do remember Bosa and Spanos fighting over a detail in his rookie contract. I think it was offset money or guaranteed money or bonus. Not a lot of money for Spanos but pretty decent chunk for Bosa if he was injured or cut. I think Bosa missed a game or two and eventually caved in after firing his agent. At the time i was on Bosa side, not sure if that was the right side to be on. That is the case I always think of when I think of the Chargers being cheap, so this is a bit of a 180 from my perspective. He has alos paid the stars pretty good extensions and got Harbaugh.


basedcharger

Not in this particular instance but the spanos have pretty much always well compensated their players. Theres always a few exceptions but they're flexible with contracts structure guarantees and length. They were the first team to have two 20 mil receivers and thats sandwiched between having Philip near the top of the league in QB salary and then making Justin the highest paid QB in the NFL. For whatever reason pre Harbaugh they were pretty cheap with coaches though and that reputation was earned there.


AsssCrackkBandit

Not just this - but he has really upped the spending in the last few years. Opening up a brand new $300M practice facility this year, gave Harbaugh $80M, spent to hire many of his expensive coaches from Michigan, etc There's also stuff like making Herbert, Bosa, Derwin, etc the highest paid players at their position when they signed but I don't really consider that because that's all under the cap


pechinburger

Rookie Guarantee, Rookie Guarantee, I'm a little Ladd who likes Rookie Guarantees!


bazanger

Rookie?... Rookie and what else?


TheColbsterHimself

SMOKING THE REEFER. 


Flippitty_Flop

Leaving this here for the young bucks https://youtu.be/wYX_zhlTDr8?si=W_BbLPYtRblwVOLN


gavvyshores

I’m all down for more of these for future highlights and news… conveniently, TDs works too!


Accidental-Hyzer

Wew Ladd!


michael_is_awesome

What a Ladd


Enthusiasms

Mad Ladd McConkey breaking the McBonkey for 34th overall picks.


qft

Top 10 all time football name. Shout-out to Colt McCoy and D'brickashaw Ferguson.


Admirable_Bed3

This title appearing back to back with the Joey Bosa paycut thread in my main feed is hilarious


CosbySweaters1992

This is something that means little for most but is huge for that agent, great marketing for him.


MisterMetal

I mean isn’t this basically due to the salary cap going up? There isn’t a lot of wiggle room for the money, and the contract length is fixed. It’s just signing bonus vs yearly distribution of the cash.


tendadsnokids

"I'll leak you the contract details just @me"


Seraphin_Lampion

Aren't those amounts set and indexed every year? Like, if he got the maximum guaranteed, he's automatically higher than all previous contracts.


EBtwopoint3

Guaranteed money isn’t set, only salary and signing bonus. But this is still a pointless article, because this is going to be like $500k more than the previous #34 pick. I haven’t seen anyone discuss the structure, but it’s definitely possible that this new record guarantee is literally just the increased signing bonus vs last year. Even if it’s not and he got guarantees in further years, it’s not all that meaningful. He’s making like $1.3m a year in salary.


ASuperGyro

Correct, but that’s marketing bb


REDDIT_GAVE_ME_CRABS

Strapping Young Ladd


MyLuckyStabbingCap

The New ~~black~~ Powder Blue


CyborgKrieger

Most creative reddit comment section.


LeBroentgen

You seem real McCranky


JimHarbaughTheChamp

Gotta love ESPN stats. "**LARGEST CONTRACT IN NFL HISTORY** ... in terms of guaranteed money ...^for^^a^^^34th^^^^overall^^^^^pick ."


mississippimadness

I mean how else are they supposed to say it? I hate ESPN but it’s a noteworthy contract and they didn’t try to fool anyone with the headline


Nickyjha

Is it noteworthy? These contract amounts are set in stone, I thought? I could have told you that he was gonna set the record for a 34th pick.


Fedacking

IIRC the guaranteed money isn't set in stone. You can give the entire contract in the form of a signing bonus and minimum salary for example. Tried to verify this reading the CBA but this shit's confusing, so I may be wrong.


mississippimadness

Not quite set in stone, there’s a lot of offset language that is negotiable. I remember Joey Bosa holding out his rookie year for more guarantees. The headline isn’t about the amount of the contract, we always knew what that would be. It’s about the amount of money guaranteed/due at signing


EBtwopoint3

But it’s only noteworthy in terms of previous #34 picks, all of whom were paid less than McConkey by default. His salary is 4/5.9 after the $4m signing bonus. So they guaranteed 3 years which is enough to break this record, but if he’s terrible it’s not like the guaranteed money is hard to get rid of. It can be *true* without being noteworthy.


mississippimadness

That’s a fair point, we would need the % of the contract guaranteed compared to previous years to know just how noteworthy it actually is


notmyplantaccount

His entire contract is 4yr/10mil. he's about 1% of the cap each year so the guaranteed money is basically a rounding error.


redditaccount224488

> but it’s a noteworthy contract No it's not. Draft pick contracts are pretty much set by the CBA. They can negotiate minor details, but nothing about this is really noteworthy.


mississippimadness

Obviously the CBA sets the amount of the contract. Everyone knows that. The headline is about guaranteed money. The chargers did not have to agree to guarantee that much money but did anyways.


JoeRogansNipple

The agent definitely wrote that tweet.


Timoteo-Tito64

What do you suggest they should have written?


Phob24

Nothing? Not everything needs to be reported.


DistributionPretty75

Why would team contract deals not be reported lol. If it bothers you so much you don’t need to read it


Timoteo-Tito64

I thought it was a pretty interesting fact


Lonelan

^^^selectedin2024


ggrindelwald

Ladd McConkey sounds like a made up name in a children's book.


WhyTheMahoska

He and Dak both sound like characters in a High School football Anime


MrDunkingDeutschman

I wonder if Rapoport ever pushes back against the bullshit that agents want him to include in the tweet in return for getting the scoop first.


harrison_butker

It’s his job as a reporter, id think, to get his sources right and shit


Troll_Enthusiast

A real gym ra-


jsteph67

First one in, last one out kind of guy.


MankuyRLaffy

Andrew Ladd is back as though he never left.


Goldhinize

He is the Bolts WR1


CalvinYHobbes

I hope it wasn’t a mistake that we drafted Ricky over him. I’ll be following his career closely.


notmyplantaccount

6 WR's were taken between #28-37, so there's almost certainly going to be a few teams upset they picked the wrong guy


ryanino

I know absolutely nothing about scouting but I refuse to believe there’s a world where a guy named Ladd McConkey *isnt* good


tony_countertenor

Doesn’t the money for each pick go up every year? Like obviously the 34th pick is worth the most it has ever been and also the least it will ever be because this happens every year, this is just agent grandstanding afaik


redittjoe

Keon Colman punching his yellow Macy’s jacket now! \s


turboHerboChargers

He's so fresh.  Worth the pick if only because many will be tuned in to him for his bits of wisdom.


BMoseleyINC

This offense could have had Zay Flowers and Malik Nabers at the same time. However Ladd looks like a beast and a steal. Getting the best OT in the nation who is a small Military vehicle with arms is still a solid plan.


LinuxUbuntuOS

I hope Alt works out for your guys' sake. The Giants took the supposed best OT in the nation Evan Neal two years ago and he's currently looking like one of the biggest OL busts of all time. If Alt doesn't pan out that pick could look awful especially if Nabers ends up being good


turboHerboChargers

I'd guess Alt has good self-awareness of his abilities or his limitations as they arise.  He'll be quick to learn and mature enough adapt if needed.   He's a keeper.  Of course, just my opinion.


DrDotrat

Sounds like rapport had to do the agent a favor


CasualRead_43

I thought all these deals had the same guarantees it’s not like he’s gonna make more than the 33rd pick right?


FallToParadise

No, it's set before hand. It's literally just agent fluff sent to be tweeted out.


an-internet-stranger

The overall contract value is set based on draft slot, but how much of that contract is guaranteed is negotiable.


SwissyVictory

Shouldn't nearly every pick break the record for the previous record for garenteed money?


CardinalM1

This tweet was definitely written by Ladd's agent


ProArmChair

He is worth it for the name alone. Good Ladd.


D0ctorHotelMario

Can't McDonk the McConk


cliffordcat

Can someone explain the "below in the round" part?


Constant_Research_96

Good, Ladd.


ShoeTasty

LADS LADS LADS


justlookingokaywyou

Lads, it's San Diego.


UserUnkown10

Mr Big Check


Scrubtanic

Mc Bank Conkey


ShartasaurusRex_

I want more comparisons to others drafted at the same position with contract news


1niquity

Now here's a Ladd


notmyplantaccount

His entire 4 year contract is only 10mil, so this is an absolute nothing burger of a headline.


MAFIAxMaverick

God I wish I could hit the reset on drafting QJ in two dynasty leagues last year.


Stripperturneddoctor

I am the greatest athlete, born in the 1980s, at my house, when my kids and wife are gone.


matmortel

Charger fans, Is he really excelling at camp? Or is it cause they're so desperate at wr?


Fair-Juggernaut-8756

Jim Harbaugh called him a 4-5 year vet with his route running. On top of that he runs a 4.38. He is going to be a BEAST.


Vondum

Mad Ladd


Relative_Broccoli631

He gone be like Puka out there I promise


The4StringSamurai

Dude is going to ball out.


Epilef59

Well deserved deal for a good Ladd!


lcepak

Patrick Mahome’s agent


BurgeroftheDayz

Hope the kid does well but this seems like the guy someone in your fantasy league will draft early and be very excited until he has an underwhelming rookie season.


OceanGate_Titan

They’re going to regret this one


slowerchop

Your team for passing on him yeah


MankuyRLaffy

I wanted Ladd ngl but I'm happy with Polk and Baker


OceanGate_Titan

Nope, you’ll see. I keep receipts too.


Odd_Tone_0ooo

Nobody keeps receipts anymore… you can just look at your banking shit online bro


ExternalEbb2584

Sounds about white


Own-Earth-4402

Who?


blackroseMD1

Ladd McConkey, WR, Los Angeles Chargers