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J-Fid

Sounds like a bargain.


nope96

It probably is, but this is also 20% more than the 2nd highest paid kicker so there’s only so much he can realistically ask for


ASuperGyro

Is that Boz?


nope96

Yep. And considering Boz was arguably the 2nd best kicker last year, that should say a lot about where the market stands for all the other kickers.


dragonitetrainer

Boswell is consistent as hell, but Daniel Carlson was definitely the 2nd best kicker last year


Melon-Brain

Some would say you’re biased but I agree 100%


dragonitetrainer

At least I can back up my argument with him getting 2nd team all pro


HugeFinish

Nothing against him, but Carlson has at least half of his games in a nice dome. Heniz Field is not exactly a kickers stadium.


DeliciousCunnyHoney

So weird to read this after our experience with him.


afsdjkll

I'm still triggered thinking about that bouncy 66 yarder.


MankuyRLaffy

Delay of Game is a Subjective call


FearOfHats_

Tbh, he could've made it from 76, just because God hates the lions.


Pad_TyTy

hUmAn ElEmEnT


istrx13

After the last couple of years watching our kicking, I’d be more than happy to pay out the arse if it means feeling secure in whoever’s kicking with the game on the line.


YoYoMoMa

It's always a tough decision when you have a premium player at a non-premium decision. But I also lived through the years between tucker and stover (never to be mentioned again!) and let's just throw the bag at this man.


noshingsomepods

It's a confluence of a few things, primarily that the franchise tag artificially limits what kickers have been able to fight for contract wise for decades. But also that at the end of the day they are just kickers. Leading to the weird world where a guy on a hof career path is being paid per year what... Eric Ebron is.


Levitlame

They have substantially less risk of serious injury. While I disagree with people thinking they aren’t important or think they are more replaceable… It makes some sense to pay them less.


fergie_v

This is why I support all rule changes that increase the value of the kicking position including some of those wonky ideas Belichick had about extra points and kickoff alternatives. I want to live in a world where automatic kickers are paid like elite QBs.


TheCrazyPriest

They got him on a prove it deal, gotta see if he can do this whole 'kicking' thing


rvckjvmsvy

No please make the bad man go away


Demetrios1453

You guys need to catch up to the rest of the division im the kicker department...


[deleted]

Hello kicker department, I’m dad


MaximumMediocrity

Well they did say they weren't gonna trade Kareem Hunt so there's one.


baltimore6767

Oh boy...


Fuzzy_Dunlops

They took a kicker in the 4th round (the only kicker drafted this year). Cade York made about 85% in the last two seasons at LSU and had longs of 57 yards and 56 yards in those seasons. So they might have. Edit: I'm an idiot and was looking at XP percentage. He did miss a few but was very good.


Bouzal

Underpaid


Efficient_Progress_6

Agreed. Tucker is worth at least 30% of the cap space. But only for the Ravens


NoSnapForMePls

Cut Lamar, Huntley, every receiver/RB Build the most expensive defense in the league Have JT kick on first down from your own enzone each drive Start wearing super bowl rings on your toes because you only have 10 fingers


EndsLikeShakespeare

I guess we can re deploy our 2000 Superbowl strategy


finbarrgalloway

Someone call Trent


Spezia-ShwiffMMA

Ravens to the Big 10 confirmed


FFacct1

Out of curiosity, would a missed field goal kicked out of your own end zone count as a safety? But I guess that would only matter in the maybe one or two times he misses over the course of a year...


Toastrz

[Probably, maybe?](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/kaj0s3/nfl_rulebook_deep_dive_what_happens_if_a_team/)


ahappypoop

Lol I thought I understood that post like three times, and each time he threw a new complication into the mix. The NFL should hold a special rules committee to fix this oversight and define what should happen.


Toastrz

I wanna see a coach try this in a preseason game. Got nothing to lose, let's see what the officials determine on the spot. Precedent must be set!


TitsAndWhiskey

Holy shit. Why is this my first time seeing this?


drillpublisher

From what Bengals fans have been saying McPherson is worth at least 31% of the cap then.


Efficient_Progress_6

Yeah they dumb. He is not Tucker. If he is even close to Tucker by the end of his career I would be ecstatic


brownie1225

I hope York can be what Tucker, Boswell and McPherson are for the afc north. I miss my Phil Dawson 🥹


MyLifeForAnEType

I wonder how much of the mental aspect feeds into it for Tucker. He's played in Baltimore for so long and is comfortable with the fans, kicking there, kicking in division etc. Minus all the drama of him leaving, I feel like there's a fair bit to gamble for him starting on a new team. Like, Vinatieri got out of NE to go to a dome, so it was an upgrade...


Table_Coaster

I wish there was a weighted Field Goal % factoring in stadium for every kick, because Baltimore is also known to be one of the hardest places to kick due to how the wind moves throughout the stadium. Would make Tucker look even better


holymacaronibatman

Just do what baseball does, add a + behind a stat and there you go. Fg%+ where 100 is league average.


ImNotARapist_

Tucker says he hates kicking in Baltimore because of the wind lol.


AltruisticCoelacanth

Yet he stays there for another 4 years and will continue to produce as the 🐐 instead of taking his pick at any other dome to play under for half the year. Chad behavior


PM_ME_UR_SEX_VIDEOS

I didn’t even read the numbers and, whatever it is, he’s worth more


FriendFoundAccount

That's only .33 Christian Kirks.


17_Saints

Still feels weird that the most valuable kicker of all time is still only worth ~2% of the salary cap on a 53 man roster.


Vanderhoof81

What's the gulf between him and a replacement level guy?


FarrisAT

Not much honestly. 85% versus 90% on an average kick. The difference is in his accuracy at range, however. Depends on if your team is good at getting yards but not finishing (low risk low reward) or dependent on big plays.


Vanderhoof81

I've always assumed teams are happy to have a good enough guy and don't want to spend any money on kicking.


11eagles

I have no data to back this up, but I also kind of feel like many kickers performances can vary year-to-year, making it less appealing to sign them to any long term contracts. Obviously, there are exceptions like Tucker.


Von_Lincoln

Your sense of kicking accuracy year over year is [accurate](https://theathletic.com/896789/2019/05/16/inside-the-nfl-analytics-dark-web/) (with data to verify!). From the article: > The above figure shows that NFL kickers make the vast majority of kicks from 35 yards and in, meaning that there is only room for differentiation on longer kicks. The problem, Riske explains, is that “kicking performance is very volatile from season to season, and there is basically no correlation between the performance of a kicker in a given season and the following season. Thus, we shouldn’t have much confidence in a good year translating to next year.” >Sean Clement’s work concurs, finding that less than three percent of a kicker’s distance-adjusted field goal accuracy in a given year can be predicted by his accuracy in the prior year.


Words_are_Windy

Given the small sample sizes on kicks over 35 yards, I wonder how difficult it is to even find statistical significance between various kickers. Sure, someone like Tucker is an outlier, but it's weird to think that the majority of kickers in the league may be impossible to tell apart in an objective sense. It's a rough life working a job where statistical noise (a couple poorly timed missed kicks) can end your career. Of course, the counter-argument is that kickers who are fired for missing kicks would probably continue to miss kicks at a higher than average rate, but since teams don't tend to keep those kickers employed, we don't have much data to make a determination one way or the other.


Von_Lincoln

That’s a good point to raise. I dont have time to pull the raw data, but this [538 article](https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/kickers-are-forever/) points to a large sample size league wide. One thing about kickers is they’re often in a position where they’re the one player who “lost” a game most often. Maybe QBs compare, but again due to sample size it’s usually easier to remember a failed kick than a pass that failed.


Boomhauer_007

Younghoe Koo Was really lucky to have stayed in the league, a slow start like he had can ruin a career before it starts, clearly it worked out for the Falcons but not every kicker is so lucky


[deleted]

What makes it even more difficult is a lot of these kickers will go 90/100 on 60 yarders in practice, and probably every single kicker in the league has kicked a 65+ yarder in practice. It's not like basketball where you have a 40% 3point shooter who misses 18 in a row in a random segment of the season, so you can ignore it and look at the thousands of shots in his career he already took at range for your true value, or the practice right after the game where he goes 10/10. Teams will never have the benefit of having thousands of sample sizes for their kickers, so if you miss a few bad ones in-game, you might get replaced.


BrokenGuitar30

Been a fan of the Ravens since they started. I would take 20 years of Stover/Tucker over the 4-5 years we had with Cundiff/Hauschka/Graham. Fun fact: Tucker has the same number of completed FGs from 20-29 yards as Cundiff had from all yardage in 3 years with us. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rav/career-kicking.htm


daveygeek

Given how close most NFL games are, on average, this seems foolish. I look at the 2017 Seahawks who directly lost 3 games due to missed FGs (none longer than ~40 yards), and wince at the thought of bad kicking.


FarrisAT

Clearly this deal is great for the Ravens. I'm saying if he truly sought out peak money, you as the Ravens would have to consider his cap hit vs. what you could get trading him for a first and accepting an average kicker in return. But this deal is crazy good I also think Jackson gets the Ravens into FG range pretty often relative to many other teams which rely on big plays. Which makes Tucker more important. I'd need to fact check that though


Cake_33

If they played hardball and lost Tucker the fan base would riot


Luxypoo

BURN DOWN THE BANK.


Von_Lincoln

Blair Walsh was one of the exceptions where he never recovered from one down season. I still like to point out, by all accounts I’ve seen he’s a [great dude](https://abcnews.go.com/US/blair-walsh-graders-kind-letters-vikings-big-loss/story?id=36297530) which ultimately is more important imo.


PurplePrimus

But there lies thr nuance of thediscussion. Having a good kicker vs not having a bad kicker are two different things


throwawayacc407

Blair Walsh seems to get so much hate but I place the blame 100% on the Seahawks front office. Everyone saw him lose it for the Vikings and you still go out and sign him only to literally cost your team the playoffs. Oof.


daveygeek

Oh, no doubt about it. Although in his very limited defense, Walsh’s kick against us in the playoffs was on one of the coldest days in league history, and (not confirmed, but this is what I remember from the time) was in the direction that Seattle specifically chose not to attempt field goals that day. But clearly the next year he was a shell of what he had once been.


too_technical

Most teams don't even have a full time kicking coach. The disregard to a massively important facet of the game has always astounded me


The_Stonetree

Its because there is not much to coach. These guys who make it to the NFL level already know what they should be doing. The competition for the position has been the same basically their entire lives. Its not like there is a huge change kicking in HS vs College vs NFL. Sure the players a bigger, but the uprights are the same size (well in HS they are bigger). Kickers and Punters are all essentially player coaches for their position. They are the only one on the roster most of the time, and their job is so specific that you can directly compare them to players on different teams.


JDAshbrock

Also his accuracy is a little misleading because the fact that he is so good means the team is more likely to use him at long range and therefore his accuracy will be lower compared to a guy nobody trusts. It’s like comparing Goberts shooting percentage to Currys and claiming Gobert is a better shooter. https://thedatajocks.com/best-kicker-in-the-nfl-best-kicker-nfl-history/


FarrisAT

True


[deleted]

At greatest the gulf is 75% to 91% which would be Tucker at 91%(league average is 85%). The problem is clutch genes. Billy Cundiff and Mike Vanderjagt completely blew up their careers because they threw up all over their shoes. Same as leading a major in golf, a ton of guys have collapsed in the 4th round due to pressure.


bobosnar

Not just clutch, but range too. I bet his stats at 40-44, 45-49, and 50-54, and 55+ are all better than league average in those respective ranges, and he probably kicks more long range FG than most because he’s able to. There might also be a psychological aspect on defenses on 2 minute drives as well, knowing that getting a stop at the 40ish yard line might not be enough.


bigmikevegas

I don't see any other kickers worth setting the market except Tucker, probably why their positional % is so low.


WesleySnopes

Yes, I'm having trouble finding any current kickers in the league who would be worth more money than the greatest kicker of all time too.


heyheysharon

Setting the market is, more often than not, about someone other than the best at his position being paid like it


WesleySnopes

No jokes allowed on the internet everybody [Here's a kicker that's making more than Tucker](https://mobile.twitter.com/JustinqReid/status/1556331699113443328?t=KsUKx4pkXqy3iNXawW8ctw)


Yung_Corneliois

More than the top NHL player at least.


[deleted]

He’s so good everyone agrees it’s a discount haha How often does that happen at any position?


Comprehensive_Main

Brady


coffeeMcbean

Right so the greatest of all time. I would have to agree.


[deleted]

Well, I mean he chose to do that, but yeah.


SwissyVictory

Brady was never making #1 money. This contract puts Tucker 24% ahead of the next highest contract.


MostLikelyAMango

Christian Kirk


Jeremiah_Edwards

We really got the greatest kicker of all time for cheap and I’m not complaining


SpaceMonkeys21

Yea contract is great for him and the team. Win win.


B_Strick24-7

First Ballot


marcdasharc4

No question. I’m not even sure there’d be much hesitation over which other player is getting left out to put Tucker in as soon as eligibility allows, he’s just that worthy.


BuffaloKiller937

Automatic


YourAverageVeteran

automaTUCK FTFY


Parks1993

If he retired right now he would probably not get in according to [PFR Hall of Fame Monitor ](https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_K.htm). He would need the longevity as well. Edit: I am wrong, see reply below


pfref

Just want to point out that if he retired today, [as explained in our methodology](https://www.sports-reference.com/blog/pfr-hof-monitor-methodology/) we'd apply a bonus for him being a 1st-team All-Pro in over a third of his career (generally meant to reward dominance in shorter than normal careers), so that would bump him up to just trailing Andersen and Vinatieri.


Iamnotzionwilliamson

PFR is awesome, keep up the good work fam.


Parks1993

Oh hey guys! Thanks for the clarification and the great work!


B_Strick24-7

Love seeing y'all on here - keep up the great & interesting work!


pinkycatcher

Hey, have y’all done stadium adjusted stats like baseball does? Would be really nice for kickers


Songleaf

I’ll die on this hill with you. I know it’ll be tough sledding, but he deserves to get in first ballot.


soboredcantfocus

Everyone thinks kickers aren’t worth the money until they suddenly don’t have a good one. Really underrated how useful having a 50 yarder being an automatic 3 points is just from a playcalling standpoint


daveygeek

Can’t stress this enough. Lose three games in a season due to bad special teams and you quickly change your mind on the value of it. And the kicker is the most critical of those pieces.


soboredcantfocus

I know. Frankly it was a bit jarring going from Ghost cow to Folk. Folk was automatic inside of 50 but it was weird seeing Bill go for it on 4th so much instead of just taking a free 3pts from 53 out.


marcdasharc4

Folk has certainly been steady and, quite frankly, a surprise, I didn’t have high hopes for the signing. With how badly it can go for teams with question marks at kickers, having someone as steady as Folk is a huge sigh of relief, even if they might not be peak Gost or Vinny, to say nothing of Tucker’s brilliance.


JT99-FirstBallot

The kicker and the holder. Jason $anders went from looking like the next Justin Tucker to no longer being Money Sanders and it wasn't entirely his fault. Until us fans went back and caught what was going on, bad holding and angles leading to tipped kicks. Letting go of Matt Haack was a piss poor decision by Flores not because of losing a decent punter, but fucking our kicker too. Flores was a shit coach and only cared about defense and left everything else to flounder.


Demetrios1453

We went from Fat Randy shanking kicks on a regular basis to Money Mac splitting the uprights almost automatically. It really does make a difference...


Jondarawr

Kickers are like Oxygen. They aren't that big of a deal, until you don't got any. Then they are everything. Their value just ripples out into every part of the game. You look at a team who has annually terrible Special teams, Like the chargers. No matter how good their roster looks, they always seem to miss. Special teams is a huge part of that. Even just the confidence it provides. It's 3rd and 15 on the opposing teams 45. Lamar drops back to pass. Obviously he's looking for the first, but he absolutely does not have to force it. He can check down or run for 6 or 7 and he's putting JT in Automatic zone. Now think about Lamar in the same situation with an average kicker. In this situation Lamar takes a risk way more often without a Kicker automatic from such a range. Is it any coincidence that Bill finds himself in the playoffs every year, and he's a lauded special teams coach. Special teams is literally everything. If you don't got good special teams you ain't got shit.


redditadmindumb87

Yup once we get to around the 45 yard mark we are basically guaranteed points. So 3rd and 15 on the 45 like you said, even if Lamar can only get 2-3 yards or hell not even anything we are still good. Tucker can hit a FG from mid field in the right conditions.


Mavori

When is the next time Lions has the chance to play Ravens besides a superbowl? Asking for a friend.


BucketOfGuts

The 17th game algorithm might inject them in somewhere unexpectedly, but without that interfering, it's a four year cycle, so 2025/2026 season, considering we just saw you guys this past season. Don't worry, we'll come to you guys, no need for a plane trip to Baltimore.


Mavori

So he will crush our hearts a minimum of one more time at least before sweet relief.


EvangelionOG

69 yarder. *Nice*


aresef

When’s the next time the Lions will have a chance to play anybody in the Super Bowl?


Mavori

Look i just wanted to avoid more pain caused by Tucker. I don't know why you had to come out and attack me like this.


aresef

It was a cheap shot and I apologize.


kavalrykiid

Don’t apologize. They should’ve seen that coming from 66 yards away.


MostLikelyAMango

You have Jared Goff, the GOAT


acmercer

Goffest Of All Time


Therealnightshow

Imagine we meet in the postseason and he hits a 70 yard game ender


Permaderps

I hope he stays a Raven for life


Imheretosnoopatcats

I think he just did. He def could’ve asked for more but he signed a team “friendly” contract. Like he’s still highest paid but he could’ve gotten more, IMO. No matter, we got him locked up. One more guy to sign this off-season, hopefully.


steelbydesign

> He def could’ve asked for more but he signed a team “friendly” contract. I dunno. It feels team friendly because you compare it to the deals you see reported for other positions. ...but he's making 20% more on the total value of the contract and 40% more in guaranteed money than the next highest paid guy. How much more can you lap the rest of the field before it's no longer considered team friendly? For comparison, Mahomes' deal is 450mil with 141mil gtd. Would we call that a team friendly deal if Josh Allen was making 375 with 100 gtd?


Albend

Somebody would pay him more, it's a solid raise on the next contract but a team would absolutely raise that ceiling a bit to get the most valuable kicker of all time.


steelbydesign

You're probably right, but guys hitting the open market typically do get a little more. If Boswell hit free agency you might see him match the deal Tucker just got just because he's available and Tucker's not. Hell, if McPherson was available you might see him get that much too even after just 1 season. I'm not crapping on Tucker. The deal feels "right" to me. Make him the highest paid kicker (as he should be), and it fits into the Ravens cap easily enough. I'm just not sure it's this "steal" that everyone is making it out to be because I'm not sure Tucker is 20-30% better than the next best guy.


Albend

I didnt think you were crapping on him, but I get why people think it was a discount. Its hard to argue a team wouldn't outbid that if they had the chance. Your overall point about it being a good kicker contract is spot on though, he isn't losing any sleep over it that's for sure.


stebedubs

I hope he doesn’t… no particular reason at all really


PoeJam

You might regret that when they wheel him out for a 75-yarder in the 2089 AFC Championship


Permaderps

No one id trust more


[deleted]

What would people actually consider an overpay for Tucker? what if the ravens paid 1 Kirk-unit per year?


horse_renoir13

>What would people actually consider an overpay for Tucker? I'd genuinely pay a 1st rounder for Tucker.


EpsilonAI

You would break him like you did the last kicker we traded you


[deleted]

Wait, was that the guy who got beat up real bad before we traded him? If so we might have actually broke him 😕


boomer_kuwanger

Whatever happened to Kaare Vedvik? He was a hot commodity during that 2019 preseason and I was hoping that the Bears would take a look at him. It says he signed with the Saskatchewan Roughriders of the CFL at the end of 2021, but I don't see any game logs. He went from being a really promising up and coming prospect to almost complete obscurity in a short span of time.


Gabrosin

[He got mugged](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2793750-report-ravens-k-kaare-vedvik-taken-to-hospital-with-head-injury-after-incident). Not sure how badly it affected him, but it was shocking that he just crashed and burned in Minnesota and then vanished. Have to think it was a factor.


[deleted]

He played in a regular season game for the Jets. (2020 season opener?) Missed an XP and a 43 yarder and was cut


boomer_kuwanger

From the article you linked it says "Vedvik was taken to the University of Maryland's Shock Trauma Center with head injuries and having his teeth knocked out." Jesus that's awful. My initial reaction when you mentioned the mugging was that being mugged could definitely have a lasting psychological impact, but based on the account from the article, it sounds like he suffered pretty significant head trauma from the attack as well. It would be awesome if he's able to resume his football career at some point, but short of that, I just hope he's able to live a normal life free of any health impairments.


WesleySnopes

Yeesh. Man probably does not like to see defenders coming off the line.


bluntsandbears

Damn, he got teeth knocked out and everything


whatsthehappenstance

If he was a Viking, his entire right leg would fly off as he misses the game winning field goal in a playoff game.


HouseConsistent5160

You referring to the 1998 playoff miss, or the 2016 miss?


Yearbookthrowaway1

I don't think there's a single trade for Tucker that would be a win for the Ravens. Even 2 firsts I'd hold my nose up at, you just can't find a positional GOAT like Tucker no matter how much draft capital you receive.


penguinopph

> you just can't find a positional GOAT like Tucker no matter how much draft capital you receive. And at an absurdly important position that the average fan thinks is worthless.


FarrisAT

You could get two firsts, and then trade one for a 2nd and the 3rd or 4th best kicker.


dyslexda

But the 3rd or 4th best kicker isn't remaining that for long. Kickers very rarely have longevity at the top, which is part of what makes Tucker such an anomaly. You can flip a 1st for a 2nd and the 4th best kicker, but in two years they're probably regressing to the 15th best kicker, or even off the team entirely.


HtownTexans

> Even 2 firsts I'd hold my nose up at This is just the fan in you talking. I think they'd move him for 1 first tbh. He is the GOAT kicker but a replacement level guy isn't going to kill your team. side note before you guys start hating: I love kickers. I was a soccer player and truly appreciate a good FG but a 1st round pick for a kicker is too good of value to pass up. Even the GOAT.


SeniorAdissimo

You wouldn't trade your kicker for 2 firsts? Would you trade a first for by far the best long snapper in the history of the NFL?


soildude43

Not only does Tucker make everything he kicks as long as his line blocks and the ground doesn’t cave but the ravens regularly get draft picks for other kickers they bring in for preseason. Tucker is the best kicker of all time while also bringing in draft picks is crazy valuable. Ravens fans haven’t had to sweat a FG since 2011.


[deleted]

No. I’d rather have Tucker than 2 firsts. Not having to sweat at 60 yard kicks is something I’ll probably never experience again for the rest of my life once Tucker retires. It’s almost unfathomable how consistently good he is. The city of Baltimore would burn the stadium to the ground if they ever traded Tucker


dirty6chambers

Would be incredibly stupid not to trade him for 2 1sts Then you trade 1 of those 1sts for 2 2nds Then you trade 1 of those 2nds for the 2nd or 3rd best kicker in the league Now you still have a great kicker but you got an extra 1st and 2nd out for it


SeniorAdissimo

Yeah I guess I'm more just wondering what his actual value added is compared to 2 first round picks. Like maybe he is worth way more than I assume, but either way I'd love to see a quantitative analysis of his value added. I'll look around to see if anyone's already done one. EDIT: alright [I found an analysis](https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-assessing-true-value-nfl-kickers) by Timo from PFF and I will say that Tucker generated more value than I expected, but, based off these numbers, it'd still be a mistake to not take 2 firsts for him. They found he's worth about 1/4 of a win per season over a replacement level kicker which puts him around the 40th most valuable non QB (but this is assuming PFFs WAR stat is actually reliable, and I don't really think it is yet, but the analysis in this article is still really good).


bradasskg11

There is nobody in the nfl trading a first for a kicker It’s important to have a good one, but it’s not so crippling that you can’t get by with average His value is way lower than this sub wants to believe lol


ESCMalfunction

I feel like anything under maybe 8-9 mil AAV would be reasonable enough.


The-Implication-0

There’s always a little disconnect between true worth of a position and what a player can reasonably get. Just because it takes time for salaries to slowly creep up over time as positional values change. Like top tight ends are underpaid, should be getting wide receiver money.


Lilpu55yberekt69

He was genuinely your third best offensive weapon last year and 4th was distant. $10 mil a year would be kinda nuts but if you gave him like 5 years $45 mil even I would get it.


peppersge

Hard to tell. You hope that you don't need your kicker or punter since you are hoping to score TDs on every drive. Ironically, as the offense gets better, your kicker becomes less valuable. Kickers are however, the best band aids for an average offense. The fundamental argument would be taking 1-2 M/yr that you are paying the kicker to get a WR that could get an extra 5-10 yards per drive. It would be interesting to see a metric such as pay versus FG accuracy by distance.


soildude43

AFCN is the most stacked division for kickers


102WOLFPACK

Tucker’s otherworldly, Boz outside of one season is absurdly reliable, McPherson’s shaping up to be right in that convo. If York hits for the Browns it might be the most stacked group of kickers in a singular division ever.


soildude43

Yeah Boz was great outside of the year he was playing through a hurt groin and Evan was clutch as hell last year and really only had one bad game but it was super windy so none of the kicks were going to be good.


Jondarawr

Not only was Evan clutch, he also established himself as Cinci's starter in the Meme position. That's going to show up in dollar signs on his next contract for sure


Fuzzy_Dunlops

People keep talking about the AFC West quarterbacks. But this is the real most dominant division at one position in the NFL.


Victory_SSB

It also is a stacked division for Edge and RB. At edge you have Trey, Hubbard, Watt, Garrett, Clowney, and Oweh. Then for RB you have Najee, JK, Mixon, and Chubb.


Demetrios1453

We arguably have the top 3, although we need to see how McPherson does his sophomore year...


soildude43

Yeah I’d agree. I think you can argue butker over Evan/Boswell without being unreasonable but I thought last year it was Tucker, Bos and Evan as the 3 best


BAKER_WORK_MY_HOLE

FR. Cade York has been super good so far in camp and the only thing the Browns could realistically hope for is being the 3rd best kicker in the division.


soildude43

Yeah we undoubtedly had 3 of the top 10 kickers last year and I’d be surprised if we didn’t have 4/10 this year


FastAndBulbous8989

Need an opera about it ASAP


Man_AMA

Is that an opera where the guys can’t hit the high notes and JT is there to kick them in the balls?


Bouzal

Justin redefining the opera game by reviving the castrati Lil niche opera joke for you enthusiasts out there


Bouzal

He’s legit good too. Like there’s a lot of people with Vocal Performance degrees who you’re kinda like “ehhh” but he’s a legit professional quality baritone for fun on the side


B_Strick24-7

CBS Sunday Morning did a story on Tucker & his passion and penchant for opera... dude just seems nice & interesting to be around


traddy91

Yeah I'd imagine that's why OP made the comment he did


BeerBeily

That’s a juicy contract for a kicker and yet he’s still worth so much more. Good for him getting paid, good on the ravens for securing him


Jordanwolf98

Beautiful


HereCumDatBoii

Only kicker in the superstar club, that mf need the bag


MostLikelyAMango

Should be a 99 overall X Factor. If the greatest kicker of all time can’t get into the 99 club, then who can?


FlexPavillion

He already has maxed out kicking stats I'm pretty sure but madden has a trash ratings system


MostLikelyAMango

It’s the awareness. They added it so they could artificially lower ratings. It’s so stupid.


GO-KARRT

Stupid sexy Tucker.


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Insane how underpaid he is. I think he really breaks the system, like every other kicker is worth max $4-5m a year at best, but he honestly might be worth $10-15m given how automatic he is. Tucker and Aaron Donald stand alone as the clear greatest players in the league over the last 5-10 years.


OldBayOnEverything

I always say he's the most untradeable player in the league because how do you put a value on him? Ravens would laugh in the face of anyone offering only a 1st rounder, and any other teams would laugh at offering a 1st or more for a kicker. Thankfully he'll be a Raven forever and there will be no need to test this theory.


BucsLegend_TomBrady

Umm, there's this other guy too..


RawCyderRun

Even though it's a lot of dough, he'll still be doing Royal Farms' endorsements for the foreseeable future.


GetBent009

The two things I miss most after moving out of Maryland to Texas. Pizza John’s and Royal Farms.


Fact420

“How much you wanna make a bet I can ~~throw~~ kick a football over them mountains?” -Uncle ~~Rico~~ Justin Tucker


JudicaMeDeus

Tucker and Lamar are so lethal. Have Lamar get you to the 50 and that’s almost a guaranteed 3 points. I can’t stand playing them twice a year.


FabFebFob

Still underpaid and one of the underrated positions. $6 Million per year for a GOAT Kicker > $63,300,790 Dead money of the Atlanta Falcons. They're like paying Matt Ryan $40M and Julio Jones $15,5M to score zero points for them this year.


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ImNotARapist_

You got the Braves and Bulldogs with championships, have to balance it out with shitty NFL and NBA teams.


BuffaloKiller937

Best udfa of all time?


FragMasterMat117

Kicker yes, the problem is there's this two time MVP, HOF QB who was also a UDFA.


BuffaloKiller937

Don't remind me...


aresef

Hell yeah. Get paid.


SEAinLA

Q: You’re guaranteed to get Justin Tucker’s full career as it’s unfolded to date*. Where would he have been taken in the 2022 draft? Edit: *his production and success rate, not his specific kicks or postseason results.


ducttape815

Probably mid to late first, a team picking top 10 will have bigger needs than a kicker no matter how good he is.


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Are you Al Davis?


MyOhMyPancakes

You get what you fucking deserve.


Ordinary_Fool

Honestly the only special teamer I would ever pay double digits to


chrisaf69

That's my quarterback


TheQuietElitist

Worth it. 18 game-winning field goals in ten seasons. Just look at his pro football reference page to see how consistent he has been his entire career.


Khambodia

Yippee ky yay!!


HouseConsistent5160

He deserves it. They won multiple games just last season with him hitting 50+ yard FGs, and a win with him setting that 66 yard NFL record. He’s gonna end up as the best kicker in NFL history if he keeps this up another 4-5 years.


redditadmindumb87

He has single handily resulted in us winning more games then any other player on our a roster. As in without Tucker every season we'd have at least 2-3 more losses.