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NoTimeToDime

Its the worst when your guy breaks a tackle only to get hurt on the next one.


Unions4America

Yep, and as much as people like to cry safety this and that, players also need to learn to protect themselves. Pickett should have just went down. Breaking the first tackle was fine. After that, however, the play was basically 'get rid of the ball.' Instead, he chose to keep trying to run and break tackles. As a player, he needs to learn when to give up on plays. This isn't college football. Your athleticism isn't that great at the NFL level. You gotta learn to protect yourself


hackedyasack

Any player with the mindset of "business decision" over winning doesn't deserve to be in the league. Fuck no


alitayy

Sometimes winning involves making business decisions. Winning in the long term involves not being hurt.


hackedyasack

This was not one of those times


ExileOnBroadStreet

Lol macho bullshit…. every great QB knows when to make the decision to play for the next possession and not risk an injury or turnover


hackedyasack

0 great QBs would slip a sack and decide to sit down. Macho bullshit lmao go watch baseball or something


ExileOnBroadStreet

😂 good one dude you seem super tough you totally got me I’m clearly making a larger point about QBs protecting themselves (which the smart ones do), not this particular moment, but reading comprehension is tough!


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Lmao if Pickett just throws it away or give himself up smith wouldn’t throw him down like that. Instead Pickett tries to duck it and escape. The other guy is an idiot saying Pickett wasn’t wrong. Tyler Huntley on the other side was making the same wrong decisions.


Muppet_Man3

Yeah, QBs like Brady sit down before the first guy even can hit him


Cicero912

Yeah cause the Mannings and Bradys would sit down on the first sack attempt


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Why are they allowed to slide at all then? FOH


gio269

If he would’ve made a business decision he would’ve had the ability to win now he has to watch Mitch Trubisky piss the game away for his team.


Muppet_Man3

Tyler Lockett thrives on business decisions, and also, as per usual, is to 15 in receiving tds and yds


[deleted]

Lol bruh calm down


Teccnomancer

Ok thanks coach


Icy-Advertising6822

This whiparound that has replaced the normal sack is not any better for head injuries.


Dads_going_for_milk

If anything it’s probably worse. Always seem to end with the back of their head slamming into the ground. On turf especially that’s almost always a concussion.


realmckoy265

Wonder if they soon ban it


sktgamerdudejr

Gotta wait for a money maker QB to get hurt first. Then they’ll ban it.


JoePurrow

This is the kind of sack that made Tua seize up (even though he never should've been on that field)


Crazyhunt

And the same sack that was call RTP the week after the Tua incident against Tom Brady


GeorgiaTechTHWG

The Falcons defender forgot to get Tom a pillow and read him a bed time story. That’s why it was a penalty.


NerdModeCinci

Shouldn’t have been a penalty IMO but good point


penguin8717

I know it's not the NFL but just to highlight the danger. When Pitt played Tennessee they concussed our first and then second string QB with this kind of sack


Reginald_Eggs_420

Hopefully Watson


DMCSnake

No. I never wish for a player to get hurt. Especially Watson. He should be out there being destroyed every play.


captaincumsock69

It’s stupid to root for a player to get hurt just because you dislike him for a sports reason. But I dislike Watson because he’s a piece of shit human and I hope he gets injured.


PacificBrim

Yeah, nothing wrong with a rapist getting KTFO


WhatsTheHomework

Bring back the normal. It was only instated because Aaron Rodgers hurt his shoulder getting sacked and the league had to make it up to one of their biggest fanbases.


Naharke31

The Anthony Barr hit?


miasanspurs

Yup


ace82fadeout

Then you have to let guys hit QBs straight up without concern for getting a penalty for the body weight rule. Nothing is perfect but you have to give guys SOME way to bring down the QB without fear of a penalty.


Icy-Advertising6822

The point is that this whiparound tackle isn't the answer


Scatman_Crothers

Whip around vs body weight on top is just a trade off between head and body injuries and the league has to decide what it actually cares about. There are only so many ways to bring a person down and all of them entail risk.


SonDadBrotherIAm

But it’s because of all the rules protecting them players have taken to using that form of tackling. If you want to avoid Qb’s getting hit altogether, call the play dead on the first hit and call it a sack.


Blacklax10

They would need to ban QBs trying to spin out of sacks then too.


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Yep. These sacks happen because the QB has to try and stay upright to keep his eyes down the field. You rarely see any other position get tackled this way because they are driving forward at all times.


rawlaw5

Just a few years out from QBs having flags around their waist


fatdamon26435

Thats been the sentiment for as long as Ive been a fan. It's always "just a few years away". Progress and safety aren't bad things.


cyberpunk_VCR

Do you just throw around the word "progress" because that's a word smart people use and something you're told that backwards people are against? What does it even mean in this context? Progress towards what? In what way is the gif in the OP progressive?


rawlaw5

Yeah and look where that’s gotten us. Have you watched a game this year? The amount of asinine Roughing calls including tonight’s call on Dolphins vs Herbert. Many of the Targeting calls are completely ridiculous as well. Some of these new school football fans are Charmin soft. Completely ruining the game.


fatdamon26435

Im sorry, were the hooligans on your lawn again? This has been goin on for 20 years. Your complaints are literally the same exact statement from decades ago. NFL is still top dog in ratings and revenue. If its ruining the game then stop watching.


rene-cumbubble

And revert back to in the grasp type call. Full wrap on a QB and he's down


tornado962

They'll ban touching the QB except for 2-hand-touch lol.l


Garth_McKillian

Flags


pfftYeahRight

Result of not being allowed to land on top of the QB.


SquadPoopy

Direct result. The sack on Tua that gave him a concussion was also a whip around sack.


cosmic_backlash

This is exactly what happened to Tua and Olave. NFL must figure out how to protect players from this, either with rules or find a way through equipment gear to protect the player.


Ithurion2

Remove the full-body weight on sack rule.


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This. Very very very few injuries happen from body weight tackles.


penguin8717

Yeah it was mostly from those Rodgers broken collarbones when they land on the vertically stacked shoulders


MetaphoricalMouse

exactly. the rule is nonsensical and leads to way more injuries. it’s pretty hard to avoid if you’re form tackling a lot of times


KryoBelly

I was gonna say this in this thread as well. This is clearly an issue and if the NFL really does give a damn about safety they gotta look into this type of tackle.


Unions4America

If you want true safety, just make it where if the QB gets wrapped up then the play is dead. In this specific play, Pickett would have been down when the first defender got to him.


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Aaron Rodgers bitched and moaned about a freak injury that happened to him and caused a lot more injuries as a result. Real ones hated him long before it was en vogue.


[deleted]

We been calling him Karen Rodgers for years now


LickLaMelosBalls

He had his facemask too.


SenpaiBoogie

They’ll change the rule again and then we’ll have flag football at this point .


COMMENTASIPLEASE

There was negative blocking on that play


Call_Me_Rambo

Ya get used to it


GrizzzlyPanda

Not a double flair I was expecting to see


tinamou63

Ironhead Heyward is that you?!


MetaphoricalMouse

A+ reference


verdenvidia

I like Pickett, man; don't ruin him.


Themanaaah

Yeah the Steelers o-line letting PQ just run through the middle for free setting up Roquan’s sack was dumb bruh. It just got confirmed in the game that he cleared concussion protocol which is great.


UpperLeftIslander

Did Pickett do something to piss off his line? Reminds of Adam Sandler in the longest yard when his linemen just stand up and let them run right by 😂


2Throwscrewsatit

The plan is lull them into a false sense of ease and then go belly up. Further daring them to be successful. That’s when they least expect it. An interception.


Unions4America

Yeah, I wish we had the full clip. Did Pickett communicate with his like before the play? He should have indicated it was a potential 5 man rush so everyone should play man up. As far as the line goes, the left guard should have prioritized the guy over him first. Looks like from the way it played out that neither Pickett nor his line communicated on the play. L by the offense. I blame that on coaching


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Every play


srlehi68

It’s hilarious that this is a legal play when compared to so many bad roughing the passer calls all season.


[deleted]

It all goes back to that one freak accident where Aaron shattered his collarbone. That play redefined what roughing the passer is and now players are taught to death roll for fear of "bodyweight landing" which had been done for 100 years with minimal injuries relatively.


Unions4America

Except they even get that call wrong most of the time. Chiefs have been called for RTP due to the 'body weight' rule three or four times this year. Every time the rules expert on TV has said 'bad call.' Meanwhile, we have literally watched QBs get slammed (like Justin Fields) and get no call.


SlaveKnightLance

Seriously. A stiff breeze will get a flag but then there’s shit like this


Lyndell

He literally spun out of a similar hold a second earlier, what’s the defender supposed to do pull the flag on his pants?


whodatus

As long as it isn't an NFL money maker QB they won't call shit


Ewoksintheoutfield

Too true


Unions4America

I mean, not on a QB, but Kelce literally got body slammed for no call. Honestly, had Pickett not just fought off a similar tackle and had he not tried to fight off the tackle here as well, he probably gets the call. People will see it as egregious, but those QB protection rules are also designed to protect a defenseless QB. When the QB refuses to give up on a play, it is hard to call them defenseless. You know what I mean? Like Brady and Rodgers are jus5 going to go with the flow and let you throw them. In that case, the hit is over the top. If the QB, however, tries to fight through a tackle, then they are basically giving up any hope at being 'defenseless.' Not saying it is right or wrong, but there is a clear difference. Edit: Just to clarify, the first guy messes up by not tackling more forcibly. He easily could have swung Pickett down hard. Instead he just tried to toss him down. Pickett chose to stay up. The second defender was not going to make that same mistake (i.e. you play through the whistle)


dirENgreyscale

What's funny is that even knowing how all of it played out, Kenny is the type of dude that even though most people here are arguing on his behalf, STILL probably wouldn't have given up on the play or complained about not getting flagged. The man is an absolute beast and I regret that I didn't see it earlier and based on what I've seen some Steelers fans still saying about him I'm pretty sure we aren't going to deserve him if he does manage to put it together.


jvkxb__

Once a QB steps out of pocket the refs couldn’t give two fucks. It’s the gripe that Cam was having and it’s a gripe you’ll hear from every QB who can use their legs as a weapon


Haunting_Insect_3009

This is one situation which I think the current rules have right. Just imagine how many defensive penalties would get racked up by teams trying to defend against Lamar, Allan, Hurts etc if they got protection extended beyond the pocket... it would tip the scales even more in favour of the offense.


ClarkFable

BS. They will call unnecessary roughness/late hits for hits on Allen or Mahomes (even when running past the line) way more frequently than an RB or WR.


Unions4America

This Mahomes and RTP narrative needs to stop. On a per game basis, there are 8 other starting QBs in the NFL who average more RTP calls per game than Mahomes (on a career basis). Mahomes has only had one called this entire season. In 2021 there were 6 other QBs who had them called more, and Mahomes was tied with like 7 QBs for that 7th spot. In 2020, Mahomes was like 15th in calls. Mahomes doesn't get RTP calls as much as you guys like to think. Mahomes also doesn't fight for yards as much as a guy like Allen does. If anything, your complaint should be specifically based at Allen. You mentioning Mahomes is you creating a false narrative.


ClarkFable

It’s not just RTP, it’s unessasary roughness, late hit OoB etc. The point is, he’s not treated like every other runner once he becomes a runner.


missingjimmies

As a ravens fan I completely agree, it’s wild that a twist throw is legal and simply falling on the QB is a Nono


r_silver1

Um...this is a tackle.


mb0205

Yeah am I crazy to think this isn’t dirty at all? Seems like a normal football play and just unlucky for Pickett


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adambiguous

Grabbing the qb and twisting is supposed to be a roughing call


---SPIDER-MAN---

Facemask, was dirty af.


lowlight

He was a runner, not a passer Since he's not a passer, you can't call roughing the passer. The most you can do is unecessary roughness and that wasn't it.


Andire

I think he understands that the play was legal as he starts the comment saying that lol


raylan_givens6

they killed kenny!


[deleted]

He’ll be back in the next episode. Always is


[deleted]

Those bastards!


brownzilla99

Ughhhh, I now fully understand the pain of Trubisky. Glad that Fields thing is starting to work out for yinz.


[deleted]

Fuckin ravens man. I don’t know how to get my flair but as a Steelers fan, the ravens always seem to be the ones who mess with us the most.


RugoseBeef

hopefully they use all first five picks on o-line.


jgjot-singh

nah you guys just need to draft a reciever


LocalFatBoi

then trade them when they reached maturity


Jay_Dubbbs

Steelers forgot Big Ben ain’t back there anymore and actually need an O-line. Ben somehow always got out of sacks


Booshay

Head injury? Back injury?


Prowlerbaseball

Out for concussion protocol


Themanaaah

Man Roquan Smith and Patrick Queen are such a nice linebacker duo, hope Pickett is fine though.


SunYat-Sen

Roquan has been huge for him. PQ has looked like one of the best LBs in the league since he came over


0zymandeus

Wait I thought Ravens fans hated Queen this year?


Low_Statistician_262

Ever since acquiring roquan smith queen has looked a lot better


0zymandeus

ah, nice. Liked him a lot at LSU. Is it that he's in a simpler role w/ Roq behind him?


Pants_Pierre

I believe he’s no longer being ask to set the edge now that roquan is here so yes his role has been simplified a bit, and he’s done better since


Drainbownick

He’s been having a pretty good year even before Roquan. He’s only 22 still needs some time in the weightroom and improved his tackling technique, but his zone coverage skills are much improved and his timing on blitzes has been pretty excellent, almost Lewis like on some plays


eatingasspatties

Ravens fans have hated everyone at some point this year.


Gabrosin

Except Tucker.


eatingasspatties

He’s not human he doesn’t count


Unions4America

It makes sense. They can play PQ in a similar role he played in college now.


Disemboweledgoat

Kevin Dotson is still wondering who he was supposed to block on that play.


joe7L

Three Steelers OL blocking the air on this play


WhatsTheHomework

Bring back the normal sack. I can't cheer for these because they always lead to head injuries. I want to cheer for a Steelers qb getting obliterated but in a sporting way.


HailToTheVictims

I don’t watch much NFL. What is the normal sack? It doesn’t seem like they planned on whipping the QB around.


WhatsTheHomework

A normal sack is contacting the and falling on top of them. Landing on top was banned so players instead fall to the side and whip the qb around


PsychoBoost123

He’s out of the pocket, it’s a perfectly legal tackle


LickLaMelosBalls

Except the obvious facemask


Normal512

[Facemasks](https://twitter.com/Tomlin_Sense/status/1602006305878802435?t=Cc9a-aflN6GZxed6rMKStQ&s=19) are a penalty.


WhatsTheHomework

I still feel like I'm cheering for a head injury


TheSaltbird

Missed the facemask didn't ya there buddy?


Coomrs

This is so much worse than just having the body weight of the tackle land on you.


Ceramicrabbit

Having a hand on his facemask pushing his head into the ground certainly didn't help


MrSweatyBawlz

If it was Tom Brady that would've been roughing the passer...


The_Fawkesy

Literally no one in here saying it was a clean tackle is talking about the facemask lmfao The whiparound sacks we're seeing now is what is being referenced. Him having his facemask didn't make it any worse. These types of sacks are arguably worse for QB health than the old way they banned.


BigDiggy

Agreed. I saw a post on NFL Instagram of Nick Bosa and noticed he does the spin move to avoid penalties. Seems way more dangerous than the old way.


GansMans18

"The tackle was clean, *except for the facemask*" is the equivalent of saying "that's perfectly clean coverage *except for the pass interference*" lmao


CretinoPopov

WWE moves now legal in the NFL


Positive_Parking_954

We employed James Harrison with pride. I can’t get mad at that one


CretinoPopov

That guy was a menace man, glad he’s not playing anymore. QBs would he shitting themselves knowing he would be chasing them down.


Positive_Parking_954

I’m glad Colt McCoy managed a career after the homicide attempt. He only even had one move for the most part to but he was perfect at that one move


Confused_Mirror

"I fear not the man who had done 1000 things 1 time, but the man who has one 1 thing 1000 times"


EntropyFan_

Hope it’s nothing serious for him


LickLaMelosBalls

Clearly a facemask yet no one mentions it. Fuck


jbrown5390

I didn't see it till you said it but you're right


GiggityGigs69

I didn't notice any facemask


Ok_Bug_6890

That was BRUTAL


jimshifty

They’re letting em play in Pittsburgh today. Hope Kenny is OK


Flylatino24

Why can’t these QBs just learn the Tom Brady effect and fight another day/ down. Lance, Jimmy G and other QBs fight for useless yards and end up get up hurt more


AngryUncleTony

Not everyone has Brady's job security.


Flylatino24

Lol true the refs which I hope they do that BS today


jvkxb__

Protect those in pocket passers to the point where a glance teeters on penalties, but once a guy steps out of pocket or starts trying to make a play on their feet it’s gladiatorial rules


[deleted]

Kind of shocked they didn't throw a flag


MikeN1978

No dog in this fight but how tf was that not a penalty?? Hell if possible they’d give him 2 had the qb been Brady.. Pickett got Rock Bottomed..


turdinator1234

Your being down voted but on the close up it does look like he might have had the facemask


MikeN1978

Yeah I know logic doesn’t beat feelings… what can ya do?


appmanga

He was a runner and football is a brutal game.


MikeN1978

I’m fine with it if it’s the same for all qbs but if you think Brady wouldn’t have gotten that call then I’ve got some beachfront property in Ohio to sell you..


RockingRocker

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MikeN1978

Ahhh well played.. Oceanfront was what I was going for..


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Positive_Parking_954

He would have hit the deck before PQ got to him


MikeN1978

Well that’s fair 😂


LickLaMelosBalls

Obvious facemask but no call


PsychoBoost123

If Kenny Pickett was an RB getting tackled like that, you wouldn’t be saying anything. Pickett was out of the pocket and is a live runner at that point. We need to stop treating QBs like special needs kids.


turdinator1234

On the close up it looked like a face mask


BlouseoftheDragon

The issue is more that some QBs absolutely would have gotten that call.


LickLaMelosBalls

Except for the facemask


MikeN1978

I understand the difference and absolutely agree with your point on how qbs are treated but I’m just basing this on how they’ve treated qb hits this year…


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LickLaMelosBalls

Clear facemask


DastardlyDoctor

Fuck me that was some beautiful linebacker play.


AtomicusDali

Face Fucking Mask. Since when can you spin the QB down like that by his FACE MASK?


gatorguy101

Roquan ♥️


mlloyd

I'll always have love for that guy.


j2tronic

We’re gonna get this guy killed aren’t we… :(


jay_be_killin

Nah bro ik everyone heard what that commentator said💀💀💀


[deleted]

"Queen blew him up and Smith finishes him off" ayo


matty13004

What is it with quarterbacks and getting fucking killed this season.


BobbyBBott

Young man needs to learn to play for the next drive. So many unnecessary hits he has taken trying to make something happen. I respect the bell out of it, but you got another 10+ years if your lucky. No need to shorten it by taking these hits


Wayne93

No flag here but if was Tom throw it down! And this was actually pretty hard with how they’re “calling” it


Trajinous

QBs need to learn to go down. Fighting through some tackles for a few less yards lost ain't worth it


Top_Pea1550

He tackled him hard, not illegaly . It’s football. Sucks he’s hurt but y’all really should get over it, this game is always going to be violent in nature.


Normal512

https://twitter.com/Tomlin_Sense/status/1602006305878802435?t=Cc9a-aflN6GZxed6rMKStQ&s=19


demoman27

You know, except for the obvious facemask


Crixzly

Dirty ass play


hfucucyshwv

Yeah those r getting banned next season...


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Z00animals

Ravens are ass


throughNthrough

Hell of a tackle right there


LickLaMelosBalls

Facemask, but of course the guy who rooted for burfict thinks this is legal


throughNthrough

What the fuck? I said nothing about it being legal or not. Edit: you mentioned the face mask in your last 10 comments. We get it.


LickLaMelosBalls

So you think an illegal tackle that injured a player is a "hell of a tackle?" Fuck you man, rethink your values


throughNthrough

I bet just get on Reddit to start arguments. I hope your life gets better.


LickLaMelosBalls

You're earlier comment was disgusting. Rooting for injuries from illegal hits


NerdModeCinci

He’s not rooting for injuries the hell you on about?


LickLaMelosBalls

bengals fans lmao


Positive_Parking_954

Not sure why you’re getting downvoted. Wasn’t legal but Turkey Jones Bradshaw was a hell of a tackle


Sshaassnaal

The vikings are a dirty team


Positive_Parking_954

As a Stillerz fan, I can’t get over how mistakenly calling you guys the Vikings is the best trash talk that I could have never came up with


hideousmike1

I’ve seen this flagged any number of times… I watch the Raiders if that means anything though. It’s all subjective when refs throw or hold their flag.


Dariooosh89

Pretty sure Russell had a tougher time today.


[deleted]

Honestly doesn't even seem like he hit his head


anon3451

Tbh the greats knew when to slide whereas the hot garbage qbs always tried to do extra. Remember RGknee lol (RG3)


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