I love ND, meaning the land, I do not mind the remoteness . I love to get out and hike all parts of the state and love this little slice of earth.
The majority people on the other hand are some of the most small minded racist bigots I have encountered (and yes I was born here)
Love the land, hate the people
One of my literal favorite humans is originally from Fargo/Moorhead, and is kind of indirectly part of why I ended up here. (I met her when I lived in Nashville, and once I knew I had to leave, Moorhead was on my radar since my husband can work in MN and I’d heard a lot about it from her.) She’s really lovely and kind, a wonderful friend to have, super inclusive and progressive, genuinely fond of this area…but also hasn’t lived here in 20 years, haha. That being said, before she lived in Nashville she lived in Austin, so maybe she just gravitates to liberal enclaves surrounded by deep red areas.
Also, she wasn’t wrong about all the stuff I ended up really liking here. But again, she’s from the Minnesota side, and I live in MN even though I say I live in the Fargo area. Because I do, but when you say you live in Minnesota most people assume twin cities.
I guess it remains to be seen whether I like most people here or not. So far things have been positive, but I’m also a bisexual Jewish immigrant, so if people are wanna be weird or bigoted it’s gonna come out eventually. 😅
The fact that you immediately knew who I was talking about cracks me up 😂 She’s fantastic. She’s not my best friend or anything but she’s great and I miss being local to her. Though she’ll come here to visit…eventually. Her touring schedule is nuts.
I would love to hear her live again! The aquatic center in West Fargo is named after her dad.
ETA: I apologize for the misinformation on the aquatic center. It is in the same family, but not named after Don. As stated on the Hulbert Aquatic Center web page "The naming is in recognition of the contribution from Steve and Diane Hulbert in memory of their daughter, Heidi Hulbert Rowe (March 22, 1969 – March 30, 2004)."
I wondered about that but figured it was a distant relative at most! That’s amazing. I haven’t been there yet, but need to go anyway as I feel like maybe I was a mermaid in a past life 😂. I could spend all day in any body of water that’s a semi-reasonable temperature, I used to go to the big aquatic center in my hometown all the time.
I’ve worked with a lot of people from the south in the oilfields here in North Dakota and have been told that we’re really nice and not racist like a lot of other states. I feel the same way about Minnesota love the land, hate the people.
Really? Because this is one of the most racist places I've been in. Anywhere I've traveled I've never come across such hateful ignorance as I've dealt with living here. They're just able to get away with it more because of the low population.
I'm sorry you feel that way. I've been told by a few black coworkers over the years that they really like it here compared to a lot of states. The general consensus I received went along the lines that they felt like the people here were nice and were genuine when doing so and that if there were any bad apples they really stood out and were easy to avoid or confront. I can't remember exactly what they would say about the south but I just remember what they said about North Dakota
I don’t understand how so many are brainwashed into this is the only way of thinking. All the religions in the world why is this the right one why is it this way and no other possible way. It’s sad and uncomfortable for us. We really started distancing ourselves from people that think this way.
It’s hard to fight the propaganda machine when they can quite literally print infinite money. I grew up south of Fargo in BFE. I was the first born male in a very conservative family while also being very conservative religious(WELS-Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod) family. I escaped the insane asylum by joining the military. Do I regret that decision…never! I traveled the world grew got different perspectives and am now a happy out gay man living in Colorado. I talk to my family all the time about these ”different ways of looking at things”. It’s only taken like 13 years but it’s starting to sink in. It takes time and a lot of patience to change a way of thinking that is so ingrained not just at the community level but the cultural level as well.
Anytime polls like this are taken, it tends to be older demographics answering, which always skews the results. Young people don't take the time to do random polls.
Yeah, I’ve gotten a few text messages lately asking me to participate in political polls and they’re just annoying. I’m too busy working my ass off to put food on the table. I’m not wasting my time with some stupid ass poll. I’m sure there are tons of retirees that love that shit tho.
I think for the most part, those polls aren't real and are just from PACs and political campaigns that either try to gauge enthusiasm or get you on a mailing list or raise money. Most of the big actual pollsters still do land-line cold calls with random dialers. Some have started using cell calls but not all. The problem is every year those results end up skewing older and older and more right leaning. These polls about Christian Nationalism scare me for many reasons, but for what it's worth, in most of the primaries so far, Trump has under performed his primary polling numbers by around 10% in each state. So they have a heavy right leaning bias.
As a Jew living just barely on the Minnesota side of the state line (I’m in Moorhead), this map feels kinda wild to me. Especially recently moving from Tennessee where I felt like the evangelical theocratic crap was wayyy more in your face in comparison. I get that not all of ND is Fargo and most people really hate any implication that it is, but…whew 😅
I will say I SO FAR feel significantly safer in Moorhead than I did in Nashville, even though the Jewish population in F-M is comparatively much, much smaller. (Nashville is quite liberal and cosmopolitan as a city in of itself, but the southern evangelical stuff is…surrounding you on all sides and it is a lot.)
I'm a Jew living in Grand Forks. Despite being a college town, I'd say the Jewish population is under 100. Even the difference from Grand Forks to the Fargo Moorehead area is pretty big, Grand Forks is incredibly Christian and right leaning even in the college-aged demographic.
Incredibly different here than where I grew up in Pennsylvania. Seeing how bigoted people here can be has truly opened my eyes.
The difference between Fargo and Grand Forks is difficult to overestimate these days. Grand Forks arguably has more in common with Bismarck these days than it does with Fargo.
A black guy was elected president and all rational went out the window. They’re selling their soul to a conman who got into the political scene by spreading a lie about Obamas birth. Trump just opened the door to the extremism and now more and more politicians are spreading the disease.
From the survey so you have an understanding of how a Christian nationalist is identified:
Respondents were asked whether they completely agree, mostly agree, mostly disagree, or completely disagree with each of the following statements:
The U.S. government should declare America a Christian nation.
U.S. laws should be based on Christian values.
If the U.S. moves away from our Christian foundations, we will not have a country anymore.
Being Christian is an important part of being truly American.
God has called Christians to exercise dominion over all areas of American society.
So it gave the definition of Christian nationalism and said "do you agree with this?"
I do not think this was a case of poorly worded or trick question on a survey it literally gave the excepted definition of Christian nationalism
Yet, according to a thread a couple of days ago, liberals are the ones that changed the party and are responsible for the whole state losing its mind
Seems like Christianity is responsible for that
A lot who left were also religious zealots. Their religion just wasn't popular with the King or his people. Religion used to be quite the hit with the fellas.
I was going to say, a lot of MF came to North America so they COULD be religious fanatics.
America, as a nation, was founded to avoid a penny tax on tea.
This isn’t actually true. The puritans left England because they were far more extreme and were increasingly unwelcome. Plymouth and Massachusetts Bay colonies were both borderline theocratic. They had secular leaders but deeply religious laws.
Part of the problem is that it's a hugely vague term that means different things to different people. If you ask the average ND conservative about Christian nationalism, they think "well, sure, I'm a patriot and a Christian," whereas the average redditor thinks it means "the Handmaid's Tale was a how-to."
We gotta stop asking about these buzzwords. Ask people "should American be a Christian theocracy?" or "should non-Christians be allowed to vote?" if that's what you mean; you'll get more accurate answers instead of fear-bait meant to get donors excited.
Edit: Hey, they actually asked real questions! Mea culpa! But I still think people are understanding the questions in different ways, and also loads of you don't seem to realize how many of your core values have just been absorbed from Christianity's long influence on our civilization; i.e., if you think children are people and shouldn't be prostituted, or if you think slavery is bad, or if you think war should have rules, etc...)
Post-Edit: to clarify for people putting words in my mouth, sure, you can reach similar moral conclusions by other means, and some cultures have. But most people uncritically absorb the values of their culture, and historically these things were integrated into Western cultures through centuries of Christian influence, especially (but not exclusively) the Catholic Church. Maybe you are a great moral philosopher who would have independently reached such conclusions in a culture whose values were more like pre-Christian Rome; if so, I'm honored to have found such a genius on Reddit.
> Christianity's long influence on our civilization; i.e., if you think children are people and shouldn't be prostituted, or if you think slavery is bad
That’s why Christianity was used to justify the enslavement of Africans and their descendants for hundreds of years, right? Because Christians think slavery is bad?
Here's the thing you have to understand: our modern revulsion at slavery is extremely weird from a historical perspective. The vast majority of cultures saw the enslavement of others as normal and would judge us mad for thinking otherwise.
Christianity was weird and radical because it worked against that global trend. Its scriptures commanded humane treatment as spiritual brothers in a time of radical dehumanization. The Catholic Church would go on to choke the practice out of Medieval Europe and restrain it elsewhere as time went on, notably pushing the Spaniards from banning the enslavement of Native Americans (also their mass-murder, the demographic contrast is still dramatic).
When the movement to legally abolish slavery got traction, its traction and motor was Christian morality taken to its logical conclusion. Without that influence, abolitionism as we know it almost certainly wouldn't have existed, and Westerners would find your or my view on the subject laughable at best.
Yes, millions of Christians ignored the moral principles of their religion - it's a problem any hard moral philosophy has, alas, but they were acting in spite of their religion (often warping it to justify themselves). Where slavery existed, it would have existed anyway, but where it didn't, something radical and special was happening. Our modern attitudes aren't an automatic default, they're the long work of centuries.
> our modern revulsion at slavery is extremely weird from a historical perspective
Bartolomé de las Casas wrote about abolition in the *1500s*. Your assertion is factually incorrect and morally revisionist.
You can think children shouldn't be prostitute without being xtian. In fact, I'd argue Xtianity is the biggest enabler of child sexual abuse in the country.
1. Sure, you can. Many cultures do. The cultural base of the West, the Romans and Greeks, however, didn't, and our broader views on the rights and full humanity of children are unusual in general. Maybe you're the rare thinker who would decide so despite your culture saying otherwise; if so, I congratulate you.
2. Statistically, it is the public education system. Further, the general public has a higher abuse rate. But I will grant that those who are abusing children should be strung up from lamposts, and it's a scandal how many clergy see themselves as a social club that needs to protect its monsters. Their crime is greater given their role, so I get why the media focuses on them and people have this perception.
Good point about statistically, the public education system probably includes the most child predators. But I would still argue that churches are the biggest \*enablers\* of child abuse, since most public schools will fire and report anyone caught doing that. The churches typically close ranks to protect abusers.
I would also argue that our views on human rights aren't as unusual as you might think. In fact, if you just look at the US, we're probably the only wealthy country that doesn't believe that children have rights - we refused to sign the UN's charter of children's rights because - you guessed it - religious types want to be able to spank their kids. And even zooming out broader, to "Western" human rights...many Indigenous peoples were shocked and horrified by the way we treated our children - spanking them, isolating them, forcing them to behave like little adults, etc.
And that's not even getting into the way we treated non-white folks... So I'm sorry if I'm not on board with the idea that somehow America is a shining example of human rights.
I feel like this is just an age demographic issue. You talk to anyone under 60, and even if they have a strong faith, 95% of them are sane and understanding. You'll always have your radicals and old guard types.
I sort of feel like the opposite , talk to old ww2 vets who are dying off and may be approaching 100
They seem to actually value "democracy" , we are mostly a nation of Christians and not a Christian nation type of thinking
The boomers on the other hand is like "I hate gay people so much I will overthrow democracy "
My grandma (RIP) was part of the Greatest Generation. She once said she prefers MSNBC to CNN, because they’re “meaner to Trump.” What a patriot! I was so proud of her.
Pretty sure my grandfather would have been anti-Trump too, since he was a civic-minded guy who ran the post office and a local Boy Scouts troop (not to mention a Buck Sergeant in WW2). That generation knew what fascism looked like, and put their life on the line to destroy it abroad. I got nothing but respect for that generation.
A generation so traumatized by the depression and wwii that they imparted so much generational trauma on their children (the boomers) who passed their generational trauma onto us
Well, I guess I got lucky because they raised my dad to be a kind and reasonable person. Probably also helped that he worked in journalism his whole life, so his brain didn’t atrophy from lazy ignorance.
ND is on the low end for median age. It kind of doesn't matter because young people don't vote as much as older people.
Based on interacting with extended family from rural areas, I think it's mostly due to just not interacting with people outside their bubbles. I have super religious family members in the Cities or Fargo, and they're way more moderate than the rural ones.
You can have natural rights without believing they come from either God or Government.
As I get older it feels like we fight against each other for the sake of fighting, and the media just stokes the flames when in reality they could be the ones uniting us all.
I agree but we would have to agree that the idea of the country is that established bill of rights belong to the people to be protected by government.
The media seems to believe they can’t make money by bringing us together
I like how they would see a religious theocracy that had Radical Muslim laws in the government has some great evil,
(No hate against Islam the key part of that sentence is "Radical" and this is to make a point)
But they would love to see the same thing with just slightly different packaging.
And no this is not a Christian country. No the founding fathers were not all Christian.
As Dad always says Thomas Jefferson was so godly. He wrote his own Bible called the Jefferson Bible. Go look it up
Please. The point I'm making is that,
These people are liars and hypocrites,
They always drag out Deuteronomy when talking about the evils of homosexuality, (again no hate here, this is to make a point) literally in the next sentence he talks about the evils of divorce. You never hear of a sermon against divorce in church. Why? Because evangelicals have a higher divorce rate.
You don't hear a sermon about it because it's not about Christianity; it's about conservatism. Conservatism will cherry pick and take the arguments that they want from the sources that they want. You see it whenever conservatives talk about gender dysphoria and the DSM, then proceed to complain about wearing masks in a pandemic. You DO see conservatives attacking no-fault divorce.
Perhaps it was always a hotbed of such sentiment, and the only thing that’s changed is how willing the citizens are to admit their true feelings. You know… just like pretty much every other state where Christian Nationalism is on the rise. It’s not new, it’s just something that people _used_ to be more ashamed to admit until regular ol’ conservatism came along and encouraged as much bigotry as possible.
It’s always been like this, trump just brought them out into the open.
I didn’t realize I was bi until I was 28 because of the internalized homophobia of this state gave me, and that was growing up in GRAND FORKS, a decent sized small city with a fully D1 university.
I heard the things people say about gay people as I grew up. EVERY kid I knew went to church and Wednesday or Sunday school. I heard the way people talk about the few black people around. I’ve had beers after playing hockey with my dad’s group of guys and listened to old fucks spout racism about the new immigrants. I heard one of my dad’s friends (who is a multimillionaire) say he wouldn’t give his kids any inheritance unless they fully read the Bible and went to church every week.
Imagine all the towns smaller than GF with people less educated and less experience of other cultures
It is mostly places that rely on a promise of an afterlife to make existence bearable. Don't get me wrong... I love our state, but a good chunk of people stay here because of the "well.. it could be worse" mentality or "God has a plan for me that I can't control, and it is full of nightmares" crowd. I might have taken some liberty with that last bit.
This is my personal injection, but I feel like people here in the upper midwest are least likely to encounter minorities, but most likely to be afraid of other people moving in AND we seem to tie Christianity with whiteness. Do you they want good Christians moving into the neighborhood? OF COURSE... just not from south of the border where they identify as Christians at higher rates than the US (Mexico is something like 95% Christian).
Many of the dark purple places on the map are not really desirable places to live. Many require federal welfare and receive more than they pay in to the national coffers. Things like [violent crime](https://www.santarosa-lawyer.com/united-states-crime-map-2017/), [underage pregnancy](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/teen-births/teenbirths.htm), and [illiteracy](https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/us-literacy-rates-by-state) tend to (not exactly) follow the purple (although we do *very* well with education in the upper midwest).
Correlation does not equal causation.
It is a totally anti American idea. Totally against the written word of the US Constitution.
Those who identify with this anti American movement are not followers of our Lord as Christians.
They worship a book called the Bible by some.
They are Bibliolaters.
Sad to hear that my childhood home has fallen so low. I regret the people being good, hard working, friendly and welcoming. Sorry to hear that this is no longer the case and that it is falling to extremism.
Bill Maher is right.....none of those ND type states deserve to have 2 Senate seats. Filled with religious clowns. 29% of the population ain't into organized clown shows. So NO WAY 50% of ND is part of the American Taliban. Remember....the actual Taliban started small too.
I'd want to know how questions were stated, I looked up Public Religion Research Institute which is cited the article and looked at what they had for the American Public Values survey.
“God intended America to be a new promised land where European Christians could create a society that could be an example to the rest of the world.” (31% agree) seems to have been one question.
Also it matters whether these results change over time.
Christian Nationalism is kind of a new label but the underlying beliefs--America as a Christian nation, shining city on a hill stuff--go back hundreds of years. Question is whether we are tacking a new label onto persistent beliefs or if there is a darker edge to those beliefs now (I think there is, but I don't know if that is what is captured by this survey).
Edit: here is the survey (not the one I thought it was):
https://www.prri.org/research/a-christian-nation-understanding-the-threat-of-christian-nationalism-to-american-democracy-and-culture/
Great points. I’d also love to understand the specific questions and how responses change over time. My original interest though is why North Dakota sticks out with the highest value now? Is it politically more extreme than elsewhere, more homogeneously Christian, or something else?
I'd probably go with more homogenously Christian, although one would think we're a lot like Nebraska.
But curious company:
North Dakota (50%), Mississippi (50%), Alabama (47%), West Virginia (47%) and Louisiana (46%).
I mean it was always extreme you just weren't paying attention. Also the oilfield doesn't exactly attract the most liberal people so it's increasingly turning red because that's where most of our new people come from.
Crazy is as crazy does. People can not from their own opinions and perspectives because they are only taught by their parents and home schooled so they have no concept of the real world. In their perfect world it’s only god and automatic weapons.
Narrow minded, gullible and traditionalist.
I come from 2 large families of republicans,there are very few left that are red. Of course they are the rich ones and think I need to pay there share of taxes.
it's fox news and all of its descendants. it's no longer about sticking to your personal beliefs and looking out for your fellow man. now it's doing whatever limbaugh, hannity, o'reilly, tucker, trump, shapiro, or whichever other fuckhead who wants to profiteer off of the dismantling of the integrity of this country has to say about any given topic. don't forget to send money, guys! the men in suits pretending to care about the little man can't do it without your montly contributions!
Do you think the people of North Dakota would say my beautiful liberal state is a complex and wonderful place? I think not. For sure they're saying we're socialist, communists, and godless hellscape. Which it obviously is not.
I have no doubt ND is a beautiful state. The people are wonderful and friendly. I'm just not down with theocracy leaning states. Doesn't jive with my values and I'm going to be true to myself.
I am from Saskatchewan worked in North Dakota for five months and was staying at a friends house. Might I add that I am also first nations(Native American) and my friend’s Mom hated me she pretty much called me a savage and said the natives didn’t have God and that’s why we were how we were and if we had God we would’ve been different and had a different outcome. I was very surprised to be hearing that and she was defending herself in front of her family and nobody was trying to help me or stick up for me…later on the next day, I ended up going to work and talking to A coworker about it. He obviously didn’t agree about the racist part, but he did say that I would go to hell because I didn’t believe in God.” I’m just telling you I love you like a brother I don’t want you to go to hell bub”
I'm curious how many of those polled actually know what "Christian nationalism" means. I bet alot of people hear "Christian" and immediately agree without comprehending the second part.
It's such a deep problem that it's hard to describe without painting the picture in broad brush strokes unless it becomes a whole ass essay. Basically casual Christianity and identifying as a non-denominational Christian has become a cultural identity whose wagon has for many people been tied to the conservatism movement. After the repeal of the fairness doctrine, rural areas were targeted by a flood of anger media like Rush Limbaugh. And when I say anger media, I mean radio and TV personalities that have their shtick based on creating out groups and making fun of them, posing one sided bad faith arguments, etc. [It became a whole ass thing with places like restaurants piping in hate media to attract and retain customers.](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-10-10-mn-44218-story.html) Left leaning and independent Christians don't identify as Christian Nationalists; it tracks that those who were targeted by said anger media who have been conditioned on creating out groups accordingly and who have a casual relationship with Christian cultural identity have begun to identify as Christian Nationalists.
Few of my thoughts:
This is tied directly to the [Brain Drain](https://www.choicesmagazine.org/2003-4/2003-4-03.htm). It's no secret that [IQ is correlated](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289611000912?via%3Dihub) to more secular views.
I also think that the fracking boom led to lots of people from the south moving to ND and bringing their world view with them. No offense to the south, its just super evangelical down there.
Also, people who have strong Christian values like being around others who share their beliefs. Same goes goes for people who move to cities like Minneapolis for their more tolerant beliefs (relative to other places). As ND has gotten more conservative, the large metros have become more liberal. In a country where freedom of movement exists a logical conclusion is that people will like move to placed where people share their world view.
My siblings here in North Dakota started having fundamentalistic beliefs starting back in the 1970s, and many of their friends as well, with the rise of Focus on the Family, Jerry Falwell, Hal Lindsey, Chick Tracts, Child Evangelism, etc. So fundamentalist churchology been an issue for decades, not just only from the most recent fracking boom.
It is truly laughable but there was just an interview on msnbc where the description of a Christian nationalist is “someone who believes rights come from god not that they really come from government”. Truly mind boggling ignorance
Your state is not extreme. It's the same it was 40 years ago. The overton window has shifted so far to the left that normal people are now considered extremists. This is not unique to North Dakota. You'll find the same in South Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, and even Minnesota if you survey people outside of the cities.
What are the odds the pollsters were incredibly vague and the respondents - almost certainly older people or those with landlines who REALLY wanted to take a survey - just answered “Yes,” to anything that would imply they support Christianity.
I lived in South Dakota while I was active duty and I had never met a more racist group of people than the residents of that state so I'm sadly I'm surprised that North Dakota is the same. I know your pole was about Christian Nationalists but it's the same thing.
I lived in ND for the first 30 years of my life and this honestly surprises me.
That it’s only 50%, that is. A lot of people from ND are dumb as fuck and super racist. Glad I got out.
Provincialism breeds bigotry, but that's not just true of conservative areas. I don't know you but I can say that there is a certain amount of bigotry and stereotyping just implied in your question, in saying that all people in this area are certain way.
It’s because religious leaders are becoming more politicized, and they’re using the pulpit to demand support for secular matters under the guise that it’s what god wants.
Tax the churches, I say.
Lotta "hate the people" in this post. Y'all are full of fucking hate but seem to judge yourselves superior to them?
I get it. In this day and age, bad people hate other people but good people can hate the bad people who hate other people and that is good hate not the bad hate like those other people you hate.
I think Orwell had a name for this kind of thing...
Liberalism is a mental problem.
When our government officials wear African garb. Get down on a knee with a fist in the air.. When the american flag is considered racist... When you cant get a Democrat to save your life to define what a real woman is.... When they decided to have open border policy with no vettin
I was a Democrat I didn't leave they left me.
They all live in a series of small Christian echo chambers. Some people, including hard working farmers, don’t get out much and AM radio has been a fixture since the 80s. This is happening in rural areas everywhere. Sprinkle in some Fox News fear mongering and voila.
As ND born and raised, I fucking hate it here the older I get. Will be moving soon. The god fetish is fucking wild and disgusting.
I love ND, meaning the land, I do not mind the remoteness . I love to get out and hike all parts of the state and love this little slice of earth. The majority people on the other hand are some of the most small minded racist bigots I have encountered (and yes I was born here) Love the land, hate the people
One of my literal favorite humans is originally from Fargo/Moorhead, and is kind of indirectly part of why I ended up here. (I met her when I lived in Nashville, and once I knew I had to leave, Moorhead was on my radar since my husband can work in MN and I’d heard a lot about it from her.) She’s really lovely and kind, a wonderful friend to have, super inclusive and progressive, genuinely fond of this area…but also hasn’t lived here in 20 years, haha. That being said, before she lived in Nashville she lived in Austin, so maybe she just gravitates to liberal enclaves surrounded by deep red areas. Also, she wasn’t wrong about all the stuff I ended up really liking here. But again, she’s from the Minnesota side, and I live in MN even though I say I live in the Fargo area. Because I do, but when you say you live in Minnesota most people assume twin cities. I guess it remains to be seen whether I like most people here or not. So far things have been positive, but I’m also a bisexual Jewish immigrant, so if people are wanna be weird or bigoted it’s gonna come out eventually. 😅
How is Brennen?
The fact that you immediately knew who I was talking about cracks me up 😂 She’s fantastic. She’s not my best friend or anything but she’s great and I miss being local to her. Though she’ll come here to visit…eventually. Her touring schedule is nuts.
I would love to hear her live again! The aquatic center in West Fargo is named after her dad. ETA: I apologize for the misinformation on the aquatic center. It is in the same family, but not named after Don. As stated on the Hulbert Aquatic Center web page "The naming is in recognition of the contribution from Steve and Diane Hulbert in memory of their daughter, Heidi Hulbert Rowe (March 22, 1969 – March 30, 2004)."
I wondered about that but figured it was a distant relative at most! That’s amazing. I haven’t been there yet, but need to go anyway as I feel like maybe I was a mermaid in a past life 😂. I could spend all day in any body of water that’s a semi-reasonable temperature, I used to go to the big aquatic center in my hometown all the time.
She graduated the year before i did. Vaguely remember her
Former military? OCIE: Deeznuts?
Nope, just someone with OCD and a juvenile sense of humor 😂
I agree with you on that. Probably the only reason I'm still here. I avoid people like the plague though 😅
I’ve worked with a lot of people from the south in the oilfields here in North Dakota and have been told that we’re really nice and not racist like a lot of other states. I feel the same way about Minnesota love the land, hate the people.
Really? Because this is one of the most racist places I've been in. Anywhere I've traveled I've never come across such hateful ignorance as I've dealt with living here. They're just able to get away with it more because of the low population.
I'm sorry you feel that way. I've been told by a few black coworkers over the years that they really like it here compared to a lot of states. The general consensus I received went along the lines that they felt like the people here were nice and were genuine when doing so and that if there were any bad apples they really stood out and were easy to avoid or confront. I can't remember exactly what they would say about the south but I just remember what they said about North Dakota
It must be so hard to live in safety around the evil racists haha
Well I am white so I never get targeted directly
I was raised an Anglican. But the older I’ve got, I’ve become an agnostic.
Literally only here because of my mom and because GF is at least tolerable
Hahaha yep, same here!
Life is too short to live in North Dakota (forever). Get out when you can.
What do you live in a church?
What?
I don’t understand how so many are brainwashed into this is the only way of thinking. All the religions in the world why is this the right one why is it this way and no other possible way. It’s sad and uncomfortable for us. We really started distancing ourselves from people that think this way.
Well the entirety of the right-wing media ecosphere has been blasting Xtian Nationalist propaganda for decades...
Absolute facts..
It’s hard to fight the propaganda machine when they can quite literally print infinite money. I grew up south of Fargo in BFE. I was the first born male in a very conservative family while also being very conservative religious(WELS-Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod) family. I escaped the insane asylum by joining the military. Do I regret that decision…never! I traveled the world grew got different perspectives and am now a happy out gay man living in Colorado. I talk to my family all the time about these ”different ways of looking at things”. It’s only taken like 13 years but it’s starting to sink in. It takes time and a lot of patience to change a way of thinking that is so ingrained not just at the community level but the cultural level as well.
You are such a nice person! It's easy to see.
I wish I could move out
Thank God. What a pathetic loser. Go move somewhere you get robbed every day lmaoooo
They also polled a whopping 158 people in the state.
So about half the state.
Good one lol
Anytime polls like this are taken, it tends to be older demographics answering, which always skews the results. Young people don't take the time to do random polls.
Unfortunately, that’s also the same demographics that show up to vote.
Oh you poor thing! Better up your anti anxiety meds.
Yeah, I’ve gotten a few text messages lately asking me to participate in political polls and they’re just annoying. I’m too busy working my ass off to put food on the table. I’m not wasting my time with some stupid ass poll. I’m sure there are tons of retirees that love that shit tho.
I've only gotten polls asking how *much* I support Trump, and the 1 or 2 times I've tried answering 'none', it wouldn't accept it.
That was a push poll., designed to troll for sympathizers and potential donors.
I think for the most part, those polls aren't real and are just from PACs and political campaigns that either try to gauge enthusiasm or get you on a mailing list or raise money. Most of the big actual pollsters still do land-line cold calls with random dialers. Some have started using cell calls but not all. The problem is every year those results end up skewing older and older and more right leaning. These polls about Christian Nationalism scare me for many reasons, but for what it's worth, in most of the primaries so far, Trump has under performed his primary polling numbers by around 10% in each state. So they have a heavy right leaning bias.
…he said ironically as he loaded another magazine into his 26 character semi-automatic Reddit Posting Machine
It’s fully auto… but don’t tell anyone.
good polls tend to control for older demographics just like they do for many other things like urban/rural divide, gender, race, etc.
Haha. Statistics was a class they skipped in their “Christian” college
That's a decent sample quota for ND.
Gross. I’m proud to be a force for atheism in this state. Fuck the Christian right.
Atheists unite
As a Jew living just barely on the Minnesota side of the state line (I’m in Moorhead), this map feels kinda wild to me. Especially recently moving from Tennessee where I felt like the evangelical theocratic crap was wayyy more in your face in comparison. I get that not all of ND is Fargo and most people really hate any implication that it is, but…whew 😅 I will say I SO FAR feel significantly safer in Moorhead than I did in Nashville, even though the Jewish population in F-M is comparatively much, much smaller. (Nashville is quite liberal and cosmopolitan as a city in of itself, but the southern evangelical stuff is…surrounding you on all sides and it is a lot.)
I'm a Jew living in Grand Forks. Despite being a college town, I'd say the Jewish population is under 100. Even the difference from Grand Forks to the Fargo Moorehead area is pretty big, Grand Forks is incredibly Christian and right leaning even in the college-aged demographic. Incredibly different here than where I grew up in Pennsylvania. Seeing how bigoted people here can be has truly opened my eyes.
The difference between Fargo and Grand Forks is difficult to overestimate these days. Grand Forks arguably has more in common with Bismarck these days than it does with Fargo.
A black guy was elected president and all rational went out the window. They’re selling their soul to a conman who got into the political scene by spreading a lie about Obamas birth. Trump just opened the door to the extremism and now more and more politicians are spreading the disease.
From the survey so you have an understanding of how a Christian nationalist is identified: Respondents were asked whether they completely agree, mostly agree, mostly disagree, or completely disagree with each of the following statements: The U.S. government should declare America a Christian nation. U.S. laws should be based on Christian values. If the U.S. moves away from our Christian foundations, we will not have a country anymore. Being Christian is an important part of being truly American. God has called Christians to exercise dominion over all areas of American society.
That doesn't make me feel better.
So it gave the definition of Christian nationalism and said "do you agree with this?" I do not think this was a case of poorly worded or trick question on a survey it literally gave the excepted definition of Christian nationalism
All of those things are un-American.
Yet, according to a thread a couple of days ago, liberals are the ones that changed the party and are responsible for the whole state losing its mind Seems like Christianity is responsible for that
So much for freedom for all. I'm not in support of a christian jehad.
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A lot who left were also religious zealots. Their religion just wasn't popular with the King or his people. Religion used to be quite the hit with the fellas.
I was going to say, a lot of MF came to North America so they COULD be religious fanatics. America, as a nation, was founded to avoid a penny tax on tea.
They were religious zealots who were angry it wasn’t religious enough. Calvinism.
This isn’t actually true. The puritans left England because they were far more extreme and were increasingly unwelcome. Plymouth and Massachusetts Bay colonies were both borderline theocratic. They had secular leaders but deeply religious laws.
And those British pilgrims definitely didn’t create colonies of extreme religious zealots because they left all the zealots behind in Eng…oh wait…
They were actually the religious weirdos that literally nobody liked and not one country wanted within their boundaries
So just fuck the main points of why we founded this country and the constitution lmao so patriotic of them
Reads like a push poll, designed to spread propaganda.
NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.
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I think you are mad at a quote from the poll
Part of the problem is that it's a hugely vague term that means different things to different people. If you ask the average ND conservative about Christian nationalism, they think "well, sure, I'm a patriot and a Christian," whereas the average redditor thinks it means "the Handmaid's Tale was a how-to." We gotta stop asking about these buzzwords. Ask people "should American be a Christian theocracy?" or "should non-Christians be allowed to vote?" if that's what you mean; you'll get more accurate answers instead of fear-bait meant to get donors excited. Edit: Hey, they actually asked real questions! Mea culpa! But I still think people are understanding the questions in different ways, and also loads of you don't seem to realize how many of your core values have just been absorbed from Christianity's long influence on our civilization; i.e., if you think children are people and shouldn't be prostituted, or if you think slavery is bad, or if you think war should have rules, etc...) Post-Edit: to clarify for people putting words in my mouth, sure, you can reach similar moral conclusions by other means, and some cultures have. But most people uncritically absorb the values of their culture, and historically these things were integrated into Western cultures through centuries of Christian influence, especially (but not exclusively) the Catholic Church. Maybe you are a great moral philosopher who would have independently reached such conclusions in a culture whose values were more like pre-Christian Rome; if so, I'm honored to have found such a genius on Reddit.
> Christianity's long influence on our civilization; i.e., if you think children are people and shouldn't be prostituted, or if you think slavery is bad That’s why Christianity was used to justify the enslavement of Africans and their descendants for hundreds of years, right? Because Christians think slavery is bad?
Here's the thing you have to understand: our modern revulsion at slavery is extremely weird from a historical perspective. The vast majority of cultures saw the enslavement of others as normal and would judge us mad for thinking otherwise. Christianity was weird and radical because it worked against that global trend. Its scriptures commanded humane treatment as spiritual brothers in a time of radical dehumanization. The Catholic Church would go on to choke the practice out of Medieval Europe and restrain it elsewhere as time went on, notably pushing the Spaniards from banning the enslavement of Native Americans (also their mass-murder, the demographic contrast is still dramatic). When the movement to legally abolish slavery got traction, its traction and motor was Christian morality taken to its logical conclusion. Without that influence, abolitionism as we know it almost certainly wouldn't have existed, and Westerners would find your or my view on the subject laughable at best. Yes, millions of Christians ignored the moral principles of their religion - it's a problem any hard moral philosophy has, alas, but they were acting in spite of their religion (often warping it to justify themselves). Where slavery existed, it would have existed anyway, but where it didn't, something radical and special was happening. Our modern attitudes aren't an automatic default, they're the long work of centuries.
> our modern revulsion at slavery is extremely weird from a historical perspective Bartolomé de las Casas wrote about abolition in the *1500s*. Your assertion is factually incorrect and morally revisionist.
The poll literally provided a thorough definition and asked: do you agree with this. Stop being disingenuous.
You can think children shouldn't be prostitute without being xtian. In fact, I'd argue Xtianity is the biggest enabler of child sexual abuse in the country.
1. Sure, you can. Many cultures do. The cultural base of the West, the Romans and Greeks, however, didn't, and our broader views on the rights and full humanity of children are unusual in general. Maybe you're the rare thinker who would decide so despite your culture saying otherwise; if so, I congratulate you. 2. Statistically, it is the public education system. Further, the general public has a higher abuse rate. But I will grant that those who are abusing children should be strung up from lamposts, and it's a scandal how many clergy see themselves as a social club that needs to protect its monsters. Their crime is greater given their role, so I get why the media focuses on them and people have this perception.
Good point about statistically, the public education system probably includes the most child predators. But I would still argue that churches are the biggest \*enablers\* of child abuse, since most public schools will fire and report anyone caught doing that. The churches typically close ranks to protect abusers. I would also argue that our views on human rights aren't as unusual as you might think. In fact, if you just look at the US, we're probably the only wealthy country that doesn't believe that children have rights - we refused to sign the UN's charter of children's rights because - you guessed it - religious types want to be able to spank their kids. And even zooming out broader, to "Western" human rights...many Indigenous peoples were shocked and horrified by the way we treated our children - spanking them, isolating them, forcing them to behave like little adults, etc. And that's not even getting into the way we treated non-white folks... So I'm sorry if I'm not on board with the idea that somehow America is a shining example of human rights.
I feel like this is just an age demographic issue. You talk to anyone under 60, and even if they have a strong faith, 95% of them are sane and understanding. You'll always have your radicals and old guard types.
I sort of feel like the opposite , talk to old ww2 vets who are dying off and may be approaching 100 They seem to actually value "democracy" , we are mostly a nation of Christians and not a Christian nation type of thinking The boomers on the other hand is like "I hate gay people so much I will overthrow democracy "
My grandma (RIP) was part of the Greatest Generation. She once said she prefers MSNBC to CNN, because they’re “meaner to Trump.” What a patriot! I was so proud of her. Pretty sure my grandfather would have been anti-Trump too, since he was a civic-minded guy who ran the post office and a local Boy Scouts troop (not to mention a Buck Sergeant in WW2). That generation knew what fascism looked like, and put their life on the line to destroy it abroad. I got nothing but respect for that generation.
Too bad the "Greatest Generation" were apparently the worst parents of all-time, LOL
A generation so traumatized by the depression and wwii that they imparted so much generational trauma on their children (the boomers) who passed their generational trauma onto us
Well, I guess I got lucky because they raised my dad to be a kind and reasonable person. Probably also helped that he worked in journalism his whole life, so his brain didn’t atrophy from lazy ignorance.
ND is on the low end for median age. It kind of doesn't matter because young people don't vote as much as older people. Based on interacting with extended family from rural areas, I think it's mostly due to just not interacting with people outside their bubbles. I have super religious family members in the Cities or Fargo, and they're way more moderate than the rural ones.
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Yet, it is the 20 and 30 year old legislators who have introduced or sponsored the ultra right wing bills in the most recent legislative sessions.
No. The opposite if anything
Christian nationalism like rights come from God not the government?
That's what the Republicans want
You can have natural rights without believing they come from either God or Government. As I get older it feels like we fight against each other for the sake of fighting, and the media just stokes the flames when in reality they could be the ones uniting us all.
I agree but we would have to agree that the idea of the country is that established bill of rights belong to the people to be protected by government. The media seems to believe they can’t make money by bringing us together
The idea of rights coming from the government is laughable.
No, like Xtianoty becomes the official state religion and forces its beliefs on everyone.
I like how they would see a religious theocracy that had Radical Muslim laws in the government has some great evil, (No hate against Islam the key part of that sentence is "Radical" and this is to make a point) But they would love to see the same thing with just slightly different packaging. And no this is not a Christian country. No the founding fathers were not all Christian. As Dad always says Thomas Jefferson was so godly. He wrote his own Bible called the Jefferson Bible. Go look it up Please. The point I'm making is that, These people are liars and hypocrites, They always drag out Deuteronomy when talking about the evils of homosexuality, (again no hate here, this is to make a point) literally in the next sentence he talks about the evils of divorce. You never hear of a sermon against divorce in church. Why? Because evangelicals have a higher divorce rate.
You don't hear a sermon about it because it's not about Christianity; it's about conservatism. Conservatism will cherry pick and take the arguments that they want from the sources that they want. You see it whenever conservatives talk about gender dysphoria and the DSM, then proceed to complain about wearing masks in a pandemic. You DO see conservatives attacking no-fault divorce.
Perhaps it was always a hotbed of such sentiment, and the only thing that’s changed is how willing the citizens are to admit their true feelings. You know… just like pretty much every other state where Christian Nationalism is on the rise. It’s not new, it’s just something that people _used_ to be more ashamed to admit until regular ol’ conservatism came along and encouraged as much bigotry as possible.
But why is North Dakota #1 in this regard?
Fox News
It’s always been like this, trump just brought them out into the open. I didn’t realize I was bi until I was 28 because of the internalized homophobia of this state gave me, and that was growing up in GRAND FORKS, a decent sized small city with a fully D1 university. I heard the things people say about gay people as I grew up. EVERY kid I knew went to church and Wednesday or Sunday school. I heard the way people talk about the few black people around. I’ve had beers after playing hockey with my dad’s group of guys and listened to old fucks spout racism about the new immigrants. I heard one of my dad’s friends (who is a multimillionaire) say he wouldn’t give his kids any inheritance unless they fully read the Bible and went to church every week. Imagine all the towns smaller than GF with people less educated and less experience of other cultures
It is mostly places that rely on a promise of an afterlife to make existence bearable. Don't get me wrong... I love our state, but a good chunk of people stay here because of the "well.. it could be worse" mentality or "God has a plan for me that I can't control, and it is full of nightmares" crowd. I might have taken some liberty with that last bit. This is my personal injection, but I feel like people here in the upper midwest are least likely to encounter minorities, but most likely to be afraid of other people moving in AND we seem to tie Christianity with whiteness. Do you they want good Christians moving into the neighborhood? OF COURSE... just not from south of the border where they identify as Christians at higher rates than the US (Mexico is something like 95% Christian). Many of the dark purple places on the map are not really desirable places to live. Many require federal welfare and receive more than they pay in to the national coffers. Things like [violent crime](https://www.santarosa-lawyer.com/united-states-crime-map-2017/), [underage pregnancy](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/teen-births/teenbirths.htm), and [illiteracy](https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/us-literacy-rates-by-state) tend to (not exactly) follow the purple (although we do *very* well with education in the upper midwest). Correlation does not equal causation.
Actually the highest rates of poverty and crime are in red states
It is a totally anti American idea. Totally against the written word of the US Constitution. Those who identify with this anti American movement are not followers of our Lord as Christians. They worship a book called the Bible by some. They are Bibliolaters.
Sad to hear that my childhood home has fallen so low. I regret the people being good, hard working, friendly and welcoming. Sorry to hear that this is no longer the case and that it is falling to extremism.
Bill Maher is right.....none of those ND type states deserve to have 2 Senate seats. Filled with religious clowns. 29% of the population ain't into organized clown shows. So NO WAY 50% of ND is part of the American Taliban. Remember....the actual Taliban started small too.
2016 gave these fucks a platform and an idol that said it was okay to be a piece of shit to your neighbor.
The IRS is not doing its job revoking their exempt status for political activity.
I mean, 780,000 people willing to brave that cold. A whole lot of faith… maybe not so much on logic
I'd want to know how questions were stated, I looked up Public Religion Research Institute which is cited the article and looked at what they had for the American Public Values survey. “God intended America to be a new promised land where European Christians could create a society that could be an example to the rest of the world.” (31% agree) seems to have been one question. Also it matters whether these results change over time. Christian Nationalism is kind of a new label but the underlying beliefs--America as a Christian nation, shining city on a hill stuff--go back hundreds of years. Question is whether we are tacking a new label onto persistent beliefs or if there is a darker edge to those beliefs now (I think there is, but I don't know if that is what is captured by this survey). Edit: here is the survey (not the one I thought it was): https://www.prri.org/research/a-christian-nation-understanding-the-threat-of-christian-nationalism-to-american-democracy-and-culture/
Great points. I’d also love to understand the specific questions and how responses change over time. My original interest though is why North Dakota sticks out with the highest value now? Is it politically more extreme than elsewhere, more homogeneously Christian, or something else?
I'd probably go with more homogenously Christian, although one would think we're a lot like Nebraska. But curious company: North Dakota (50%), Mississippi (50%), Alabama (47%), West Virginia (47%) and Louisiana (46%).
that is basically a Republican vs Democrat map
I mean it was always extreme you just weren't paying attention. Also the oilfield doesn't exactly attract the most liberal people so it's increasingly turning red because that's where most of our new people come from.
It's "nationalistic Christianity". Nat C for short.
https://youtu.be/68Do78eDCdQ?si=suWS19wAo7ihvTAP
Only 50?
It’s called brain drain. Everyone I went to college with from ND never went back. Everyone I know from ND will never go back.
Crazy is as crazy does. People can not from their own opinions and perspectives because they are only taught by their parents and home schooled so they have no concept of the real world. In their perfect world it’s only god and automatic weapons.
Right, but why is North Dakota the most extreme in this regard?
Narrow minded, gullible and traditionalist. I come from 2 large families of republicans,there are very few left that are red. Of course they are the rich ones and think I need to pay there share of taxes.
it's fox news and all of its descendants. it's no longer about sticking to your personal beliefs and looking out for your fellow man. now it's doing whatever limbaugh, hannity, o'reilly, tucker, trump, shapiro, or whichever other fuckhead who wants to profiteer off of the dismantling of the integrity of this country has to say about any given topic. don't forget to send money, guys! the men in suits pretending to care about the little man can't do it without your montly contributions!
Right, but why is North Dakota the most extreme in this regard?
Because this state is stuck in 1975 lol
Because everyone who wouldnt normally align that way moved out of state for work/college/opportunity
Another state I have no need to visit.
That’s not the lesson to learn here. North Dakota is a complex and wonderful place, just like any other.
Do you think the people of North Dakota would say my beautiful liberal state is a complex and wonderful place? I think not. For sure they're saying we're socialist, communists, and godless hellscape. Which it obviously is not. I have no doubt ND is a beautiful state. The people are wonderful and friendly. I'm just not down with theocracy leaning states. Doesn't jive with my values and I'm going to be true to myself.
I am from Saskatchewan worked in North Dakota for five months and was staying at a friends house. Might I add that I am also first nations(Native American) and my friend’s Mom hated me she pretty much called me a savage and said the natives didn’t have God and that’s why we were how we were and if we had God we would’ve been different and had a different outcome. I was very surprised to be hearing that and she was defending herself in front of her family and nobody was trying to help me or stick up for me…later on the next day, I ended up going to work and talking to A coworker about it. He obviously didn’t agree about the racist part, but he did say that I would go to hell because I didn’t believe in God.” I’m just telling you I love you like a brother I don’t want you to go to hell bub”
Rather Christian nationalism than islamic
They’re the same thing.
I'm curious how many of those polled actually know what "Christian nationalism" means. I bet alot of people hear "Christian" and immediately agree without comprehending the second part.
The poll provided a very detailed definition
It's such a deep problem that it's hard to describe without painting the picture in broad brush strokes unless it becomes a whole ass essay. Basically casual Christianity and identifying as a non-denominational Christian has become a cultural identity whose wagon has for many people been tied to the conservatism movement. After the repeal of the fairness doctrine, rural areas were targeted by a flood of anger media like Rush Limbaugh. And when I say anger media, I mean radio and TV personalities that have their shtick based on creating out groups and making fun of them, posing one sided bad faith arguments, etc. [It became a whole ass thing with places like restaurants piping in hate media to attract and retain customers.](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-10-10-mn-44218-story.html) Left leaning and independent Christians don't identify as Christian Nationalists; it tracks that those who were targeted by said anger media who have been conditioned on creating out groups accordingly and who have a casual relationship with Christian cultural identity have begun to identify as Christian Nationalists.
Few of my thoughts: This is tied directly to the [Brain Drain](https://www.choicesmagazine.org/2003-4/2003-4-03.htm). It's no secret that [IQ is correlated](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289611000912?via%3Dihub) to more secular views. I also think that the fracking boom led to lots of people from the south moving to ND and bringing their world view with them. No offense to the south, its just super evangelical down there. Also, people who have strong Christian values like being around others who share their beliefs. Same goes goes for people who move to cities like Minneapolis for their more tolerant beliefs (relative to other places). As ND has gotten more conservative, the large metros have become more liberal. In a country where freedom of movement exists a logical conclusion is that people will like move to placed where people share their world view.
My siblings here in North Dakota started having fundamentalistic beliefs starting back in the 1970s, and many of their friends as well, with the rise of Focus on the Family, Jerry Falwell, Hal Lindsey, Chick Tracts, Child Evangelism, etc. So fundamentalist churchology been an issue for decades, not just only from the most recent fracking boom.
It is truly laughable but there was just an interview on msnbc where the description of a Christian nationalist is “someone who believes rights come from god not that they really come from government”. Truly mind boggling ignorance
Normalization of hate that was seeded in the '70 by Regan
It’s a response to the extreme policies the left is pushing at a federal level.
Which specific extreme policies? And how would those make people switch from their prior beliefs to supporting Christian nationalism?
Left. It’s a shithole.
God is good.
What's that like 6 people.
Poor parenting.
Because y'all are a bunch of insulated rural echo chambers, whose population is rapidly aging as young folks flee the state looking for opportunity
Your state is not extreme. It's the same it was 40 years ago. The overton window has shifted so far to the left that normal people are now considered extremists. This is not unique to North Dakota. You'll find the same in South Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, and even Minnesota if you survey people outside of the cities.
I had an internship in Kidder County, and I'm not surprised. People use hate speech with impunity out there.
Google American Redoubt!
Fox News.
That's not extreme lol
A constant diet of right wing propaganda and racism reinforced by some brainwashing preacher no doubt
What are the odds the pollsters were incredibly vague and the respondents - almost certainly older people or those with landlines who REALLY wanted to take a survey - just answered “Yes,” to anything that would imply they support Christianity.
Lack of education
That was four people.
They didn't get extreme......YOU DID.
I lived in South Dakota while I was active duty and I had never met a more racist group of people than the residents of that state so I'm sadly I'm surprised that North Dakota is the same. I know your pole was about Christian Nationalists but it's the same thing.
I lived in ND for the first 30 years of my life and this honestly surprises me. That it’s only 50%, that is. A lot of people from ND are dumb as fuck and super racist. Glad I got out.
ND doesn't have the population to field a competitive soccer league. What's the source for the poll?
Hypnotized 😵💫
The Democratic Party is running a campaign against the actual voters of the opposition. Not the opposition candidate, party or its donors.
“Christian nationalism” is the latest made-up term in scare politics. People should get a life.
A geographically Isolated Echo chamber would be my guess.
Provincialism breeds bigotry, but that's not just true of conservative areas. I don't know you but I can say that there is a certain amount of bigotry and stereotyping just implied in your question, in saying that all people in this area are certain way.
Stupidity played a major role.
They never link to the actual survey, so you don't know what the people actually responded to
Nothing about that is extreme.
It’s because religious leaders are becoming more politicized, and they’re using the pulpit to demand support for secular matters under the guise that it’s what god wants. Tax the churches, I say.
How did it "get so extreme"? Has anything changed, or did someone only just take a poll recently? Maybe ND has always been like this?
Lotta "hate the people" in this post. Y'all are full of fucking hate but seem to judge yourselves superior to them? I get it. In this day and age, bad people hate other people but good people can hate the bad people who hate other people and that is good hate not the bad hate like those other people you hate. I think Orwell had a name for this kind of thing... Liberalism is a mental problem.
There are no people in the history of the world more worthy of disdain than American white trash.
When our government officials wear African garb. Get down on a knee with a fist in the air.. When the american flag is considered racist... When you cant get a Democrat to save your life to define what a real woman is.... When they decided to have open border policy with no vettin I was a Democrat I didn't leave they left me.
They all live in a series of small Christian echo chambers. Some people, including hard working farmers, don’t get out much and AM radio has been a fixture since the 80s. This is happening in rural areas everywhere. Sprinkle in some Fox News fear mongering and voila.
Posers. Performative Christianity is so hot rn. Frfr
Not a single person in this entire county cares about this state or the people in.
Not true, they care about the oil a lot.
I dont even believe in God but if I did I would believe he would smite most of you.
If you asked them what kind of Christian they are they’d have no clue whatsoever
with religiots and oligarchs the only population, what did you think the possible outcome was?
What is the matter with that? I bet you have called President Trump a Fascist before. When in reality you are the actual Fascist/Satanist...
I’ll bet a lot of them don’t really know what it means. They hear ‘Christian’, and say ‘yup, sounds good to me.’
Because anyone with half a brain left the state as soon as they could.
Fuck all religions equally