I might help. **8GB wasn’t enough for me**
I’m not doing anything special just gaming but playing PvP games with friends on while running RTX software ( voice, shadow play ) easily drains 1.5 GB+ VRAM excluding the game.
Went with the Super TI just to have enough for a long time since I’ve bought it to not upgrade for a few years. The 4070TI super is a beast and, unless you want to play 4k, it’s probably enough to play anything in 1440p for the next 5+ years
Reminds me of myself lol
I played like that with my 3070ti and sometimes had a little micro stutters and once I upgraded and running exactly the same stuff I was at 9.2GB so 1.2GB was missing all the time.
Immediately way better performance and no more micro stutters
4070 SUPER is 12-15% slower than 4070 Ti SUPER.
And about 8-10% slower than 4070 Ti.
12GB will be fine for several years at 1440p. You won't really see a VRAM jump again before PS6 launches in 2028 or so.
Asus DUAL is their cheapest card. Don't know much about it. I'd get TUF over Dual.
If its 700 watts of quality PSU, then it will work just fine.
[https://www.techpowerup.com/review/xfx-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-magnetic-air/31.html](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/xfx-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-magnetic-air/31.html)
As you can see here, there's \~5% difference between 4070 Ti 12GB and 4070 Ti SUPER in 1440p.
4070 SUPER is 13.7% slower than 4070 Ti SUPER.
If you expect to keep the card for 5+ years then get 4070 Ti SUPER 16GB. If not, then just buy a 4070S or similar. Don't overpay to try and futureproof, because VRAM won't futureproof you anyway.
Get the dual then, 200$ is too much for a TUF. Been looking for one myself, but be warned apparently asus 4070s have a good chance to come with coil whine.
I just checked and it seems like $200 is only on 4070 super, 4070 ti super Dual vs TUF is $70, is it worth getting TUF over Dual for $70 since i saw ppl saying that even dual never goes over 70C?
I heard that coil while is just random and mostly on regular 8pin power (idk its true tho). But im not that worried about coil while, what im worried about is lifetime of chip and vram, since in my previous card vram died, and i just heard a lot of negative reviews towards gigabyte cards (bad pcb and rattling fans) and palit (high temps). I just dont want $700-$1000 gpu to die in 4-5 years
Fair point. I'm just one of those idiots that upgrade every 3 years like clockwork. Like to sell my cards before they're completely worthless. I've found future proofing to be impractical. Tech moves too fast.
Try read about memory allocation, a 12GB GPU would easily run identical settings without a problem.
I use 19GB VRAM in Cyberpunk 2077 maxed with a 4090 but a 4080 would run those settings as well, just with lower VRAM usage.
More VRAM = Higher usage. This is nothing new. Same is true for system RAM.
Many game engines allocate a given percentage of total VRAM and this is why VRAM usage numbers varies. ALLOCATION nothing else.
Not a single game needs 16GB for 3440x1440 and below. Might be in a few years, but the GPU power of a 4070 Ti SUPER will be lacking then.
VRAM never futureproofed any GPU. GPU power will be lacking and force you to run lower settings, and hence lower VRAM usage and requirement as well. Very simple really.
From a pure performance perspective, the price difference of approximately $300 CAD between the two would not make sense.
The main difference is 12GB VRAM vs 16GB VRAM and about 12-17% performance difference depending on the resolution.
I have both, and if you want to save money, get 4070S. Otherwise, get 4070 ti Super for those benefits.
I got the Msi ventus 2x 4070ti super when it was on sale at Amazon Canada for 1000$ Canadian. Undervolted and overclocked it. Never goes above 65C, even playing Jedi Survivor on 1440p epic quality but RT off. Before undervolting it would sometimes spike up to 72C temperature. Now it’s mostly around 52C. I’m on a 660w Seasonic Focus Gold that’s 13 years old now and still running fine. 700w psu is more than sufficient.
For me, I’d only consider it if I was ever thought I’d indulge in 4k anytime in the future otherwise the $300 difference is a bit too high for me at least for 1440p.
These are both great 1440p cards. A 700w psu should be plenty as these gpus are very power efficient. I’ve heard good things about the ASUS models, but their warranty can be iffy. If you are looking to upgrade another component in your setup, consider saving $300 by going with the 4070 Super and using that towards it. If no, then go balls deep and grab the extra performance and 16GB of VRAM of the 4070 Ti Super.
I dont think ill be upgrading anything else. Also i doubt that any manufacturer has warranty in my country. Also i do need x3 8pin for Ti super instead of x2 for super, right?
If you aren't sure you'll need the vram, then you don't.
Also the 700w PSU should be enough. nvidia seems to have fixed the power spikes from the 30 series.
edit. Something I noticed while reading up on the 40 series, the RTX 4070 Ti has 2 NVENC encoders instead of 1 for the 4070 Super. So if you are planning on using Handbrake for encoding work, it should theoretically be twice as fast.
https://developer.nvidia.com/video-encode-and-decode-gpu-support-matrix-new
700watys is enough for both the 4070 super and the ti super. I use 650 on my 4070 super and its perfectly fine. Get what you want man. I will say the ti super is a nice little bonus and if it's on your mind you may just go for it anyways.
i got a msi 4070 super and it uses one 12vypr connector. comes with a 12 to dual 8 pcie connector but i like to avoid those myself. if your power supply has a 12 connector use that.
Go for the TI. I built my first setup a few weeks ago and initially went with the 4070 Super. Performance is okay for the money, but while playing Warzone, I was averaging about 100-150 fps on extreme settings, with noticeable drops to 80 fps 99% of the time. Thermals were about 66-68 degrees. I swapped for the 4070 TI Super, and I’m now getting 160-180 fps on extreme settings, with no drops below 100 fps. On balanced settings, I can play at 180-240 fps. This is at 1440p with no DLSS. Temps don’t go higher than 50°C. I say if you have the budget, go for it. But it’s also depends what games are you playing.
I like my 4070 oc. Runs everything I've thrown at it. Bf 2042 mostly high/utra setting at 140 fps. Senua's sacrifice 2. Not sure the fps but runs great on high settings. Helldivers on high settings at 90 fps occasionally drops to 80.
You have a 2060, its age suggests you should get the Ti Super for the VRAM and longevity. Obviously not for any price, but the way I'm thinking about it is that 12GB is *very* iffy for the next 6 years (given 20xx generation's current age) and you would probably be wise to aim for 16GB.
DONT NEED THE TI. The super already uses GDDR6X RAM instead of just GDDR6 RAM. the x means that the vram is more efficient than typical vram, meaning that its vram is equivalent to that of 15-17
Why do some people act like the only difference between cards is vram? I saw a similar question asked yesterday with the implication that the difference is just vram. The 4070 Ti S seems to have about 13% or so better performance. Do you want/need that? If so, get it. If not, get the 4070 S.
A 700W psu will be fine.
Because I'm not sure if $300 just for 13% performance is worth it, so i wanna know if 12gb from 4070s will be enough for 1440p in next few years. Many people say its not that much even now
4070S and 4070 Ti Super are both fine for current 1440p gaming. No one will be able to predict what the future will be, but 4070 Ti Super will technically last longer with that 16GB VRAM.
So the main thing is the Vram. When last of us remake was released on pc it ate up12gb of ram until it was fixed. Some games eat up 16gb already because of bad optimization. If you want future proof card you can buy 4070 ti super beause of 16gb of vram. I have 4070 ti and it's a monster on 1440p but in 2 years i'm pretty sure it won't be enough because of vram. I suggest buying PNY XLR8 4070 ti or ti super. It has vapor chamber, great cooling and card has 0 coil whine nor noise. Avoid garbage gigabyte with their faultry fans. Asus is not the same it was before. If you don't like PNY go for MSI then. Just don't buy asus dual. I suggest 4070 ti super.
Asus is not the same as before in terms of build quality or warranty? since in my country i wont be able to RMA anyway. And msi are only ventus 2x and gaming SLIM x
Ok so slim has worse cooling and also dual models are really bad at cooling 70 ti and ti supers. Yes in terms of warranty, also massive coil whine and quality control issues and overpriced for no reason. I'm speaking from 15 years of experience building pcs. Trust me get PNY XLR8 (rgb version oc) you will be pelased. Just don't get asus. Tell me what other options are available for you?
Okay so there are 2 variations of verto. 1 is slim and one with big radiator. Show me which PNY variant is it exactly. Gaming pro is cheap variant so either go for HOLO or PNY. But first of all show me which pny variant is it and i'll tell you what to pick.
I just checked. I have verto epic x which is with bigger radiator so go for it. It is S tier card if you look up reviews. Got great radiator, vapor chamber also 0 coil whine and extremely silent even on 100 load. Also you can undervolt it to be even cooler. Other variabt is Zotac. I cant tell you how good zotac is in 4000 series bit i had 980ti extreme and it was top card. My pny 4070 ti is an excellent card. Many are saying that PNY may become new evga soon. So i suggest taking PNY. You won't regret it. If you somehow don't like it you can go for zotac holo. It's amp so it's higher tier. Asus dual, gaming pro and msi are mid range cards. But if you want my advice pny all the way. Also you will need anti sag bracket its heavy.
I have 4070 ti super tuf and the build quality is very good. The card is pretty quiet because the heat sink is very massive. The card sits at low 60C with fans spinning at 1500rpm. I have no coil whine.
I might help. **8GB wasn’t enough for me** I’m not doing anything special just gaming but playing PvP games with friends on while running RTX software ( voice, shadow play ) easily drains 1.5 GB+ VRAM excluding the game. Went with the Super TI just to have enough for a long time since I’ve bought it to not upgrade for a few years. The 4070TI super is a beast and, unless you want to play 4k, it’s probably enough to play anything in 1440p for the next 5+ years
In terms of usage yes, 8gb was always full, but it never affected performance (at least it was 100fps+ without spikes)
Reminds me of myself lol I played like that with my 3070ti and sometimes had a little micro stutters and once I upgraded and running exactly the same stuff I was at 9.2GB so 1.2GB was missing all the time. Immediately way better performance and no more micro stutters
4070 SUPER is 12-15% slower than 4070 Ti SUPER. And about 8-10% slower than 4070 Ti. 12GB will be fine for several years at 1440p. You won't really see a VRAM jump again before PS6 launches in 2028 or so. Asus DUAL is their cheapest card. Don't know much about it. I'd get TUF over Dual. If its 700 watts of quality PSU, then it will work just fine. [https://www.techpowerup.com/review/xfx-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-magnetic-air/31.html](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/xfx-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-magnetic-air/31.html) As you can see here, there's \~5% difference between 4070 Ti 12GB and 4070 Ti SUPER in 1440p. 4070 SUPER is 13.7% slower than 4070 Ti SUPER. If you expect to keep the card for 5+ years then get 4070 Ti SUPER 16GB. If not, then just buy a 4070S or similar. Don't overpay to try and futureproof, because VRAM won't futureproof you anyway.
Duals are $200 cheaper than TUF here. Also ye i wanna keep it for as long as possible, only reason why im upgrading is that vram on 2060 super died
Get the dual then, 200$ is too much for a TUF. Been looking for one myself, but be warned apparently asus 4070s have a good chance to come with coil whine.
I just checked and it seems like $200 is only on 4070 super, 4070 ti super Dual vs TUF is $70, is it worth getting TUF over Dual for $70 since i saw ppl saying that even dual never goes over 70C?
Even 70$ isn't worth it. 4070s is 220w, the cooling on the dual should be enough.
Ok, so Dual it is, thanks
Coil whine is not a guarantee based on manufacturer. It's just luck. I have the Dual, no coil whine at all. But I keep it modestly undervolted.
I heard that coil while is just random and mostly on regular 8pin power (idk its true tho). But im not that worried about coil while, what im worried about is lifetime of chip and vram, since in my previous card vram died, and i just heard a lot of negative reviews towards gigabyte cards (bad pcb and rattling fans) and palit (high temps). I just dont want $700-$1000 gpu to die in 4-5 years
Fair point. I'm just one of those idiots that upgrade every 3 years like clockwork. Like to sell my cards before they're completely worthless. I've found future proofing to be impractical. Tech moves too fast.
With our salaries i keep GPUs till they die or cant run new games at all
If you want to keep it for as long as possible, you already have an answer, 4070 ti Super with 16GB VRAM.
I peaked at 12.4 GB vram on ultra wide 1440p on cyberpunk, glad I didn't get the 12gb version.
Try read about memory allocation, a 12GB GPU would easily run identical settings without a problem. I use 19GB VRAM in Cyberpunk 2077 maxed with a 4090 but a 4080 would run those settings as well, just with lower VRAM usage. More VRAM = Higher usage. This is nothing new. Same is true for system RAM. Many game engines allocate a given percentage of total VRAM and this is why VRAM usage numbers varies. ALLOCATION nothing else. Not a single game needs 16GB for 3440x1440 and below. Might be in a few years, but the GPU power of a 4070 Ti SUPER will be lacking then. VRAM never futureproofed any GPU. GPU power will be lacking and force you to run lower settings, and hence lower VRAM usage and requirement as well. Very simple really.
Best answer.
VRAM? I think there are only a few games that will go past 12GB.
I got close to 14gb in cyberpunk ON 1080p! Path tracing, dlss and frame generation use a noticeable amount of vram
I just bought the Asus dual 4070ti super. Amazingly quiet and temps peak at 65 degrees Celsius in my not-so good airflow NZXT H510 case
Just get the DUAL then for sure, 4000 series is pretty cool and quiet
I got the 4070 super because I plan to keep my gpu for a maximum of 3 years. And I cant justify the price difference for the performance increase.
VRAM isn’t the only difference, the 4070 ti super is much better overall
Ye i just dont know if i need performance of 4070 ti super for $300
From a pure performance perspective, the price difference of approximately $300 CAD between the two would not make sense. The main difference is 12GB VRAM vs 16GB VRAM and about 12-17% performance difference depending on the resolution. I have both, and if you want to save money, get 4070S. Otherwise, get 4070 ti Super for those benefits.
I got the Msi ventus 2x 4070ti super when it was on sale at Amazon Canada for 1000$ Canadian. Undervolted and overclocked it. Never goes above 65C, even playing Jedi Survivor on 1440p epic quality but RT off. Before undervolting it would sometimes spike up to 72C temperature. Now it’s mostly around 52C. I’m on a 660w Seasonic Focus Gold that’s 13 years old now and still running fine. 700w psu is more than sufficient.
For me, I’d only consider it if I was ever thought I’d indulge in 4k anytime in the future otherwise the $300 difference is a bit too high for me at least for 1440p.
But rn most game are already using \~11gb vram if not more in 2k, and im scared that in 2-3 years games will go over 12gb vram
These are both great 1440p cards. A 700w psu should be plenty as these gpus are very power efficient. I’ve heard good things about the ASUS models, but their warranty can be iffy. If you are looking to upgrade another component in your setup, consider saving $300 by going with the 4070 Super and using that towards it. If no, then go balls deep and grab the extra performance and 16GB of VRAM of the 4070 Ti Super.
I dont think ill be upgrading anything else. Also i doubt that any manufacturer has warranty in my country. Also i do need x3 8pin for Ti super instead of x2 for super, right?
I believe some 4070 Ti Supers use x2 8pins.
The Asus dual is 2x 8pin
thanks
I have the zotac 4070ti super and it's 12 pin. I use the 3x8 to 12 pin Lian Li power cable and it works great. Get good frames on 4k.
Asus includes 2x8 pin adapter. Buy think even if asus dual had 3x8 pin it still would be fine to use 1 pig-tailed cable + 1 normal one
With your PSU the recommended GPU is the 4070super.
If you aren't sure you'll need the vram, then you don't. Also the 700w PSU should be enough. nvidia seems to have fixed the power spikes from the 30 series. edit. Something I noticed while reading up on the 40 series, the RTX 4070 Ti has 2 NVENC encoders instead of 1 for the 4070 Super. So if you are planning on using Handbrake for encoding work, it should theoretically be twice as fast. https://developer.nvidia.com/video-encode-and-decode-gpu-support-matrix-new
https://preview.redd.it/be2ugaqtoj7d1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=075fe8e1a245537fc91084c6ef49d8e61d8ad10f
700watys is enough for both the 4070 super and the ti super. I use 650 on my 4070 super and its perfectly fine. Get what you want man. I will say the ti super is a nice little bonus and if it's on your mind you may just go for it anyways.
i got a msi 4070 super and it uses one 12vypr connector. comes with a 12 to dual 8 pcie connector but i like to avoid those myself. if your power supply has a 12 connector use that.
ig ill stay with adapter since its just 200-250w gpu, its less than half of what 12vhpwr delivers
Im sure it doesnt matter much. But i just like the smaller cable
Go for the TI. I built my first setup a few weeks ago and initially went with the 4070 Super. Performance is okay for the money, but while playing Warzone, I was averaging about 100-150 fps on extreme settings, with noticeable drops to 80 fps 99% of the time. Thermals were about 66-68 degrees. I swapped for the 4070 TI Super, and I’m now getting 160-180 fps on extreme settings, with no drops below 100 fps. On balanced settings, I can play at 180-240 fps. This is at 1440p with no DLSS. Temps don’t go higher than 50°C. I say if you have the budget, go for it. But it’s also depends what games are you playing.
I like my 4070 oc. Runs everything I've thrown at it. Bf 2042 mostly high/utra setting at 140 fps. Senua's sacrifice 2. Not sure the fps but runs great on high settings. Helldivers on high settings at 90 fps occasionally drops to 80.
You have a 2060, its age suggests you should get the Ti Super for the VRAM and longevity. Obviously not for any price, but the way I'm thinking about it is that 12GB is *very* iffy for the next 6 years (given 20xx generation's current age) and you would probably be wise to aim for 16GB.
My buddy and I went Ti for VRam longevity
Ti super
Get ti super now thanks me 2 years later
Why not just go for the 4080 super for what you are paying for the 4070ti super. They are under $1000 rite now
$200-$300 over 4070 ti super is not worth it for 15% performance
DONT NEED THE TI. The super already uses GDDR6X RAM instead of just GDDR6 RAM. the x means that the vram is more efficient than typical vram, meaning that its vram is equivalent to that of 15-17
Why do some people act like the only difference between cards is vram? I saw a similar question asked yesterday with the implication that the difference is just vram. The 4070 Ti S seems to have about 13% or so better performance. Do you want/need that? If so, get it. If not, get the 4070 S. A 700W psu will be fine.
Because I'm not sure if $300 just for 13% performance is worth it, so i wanna know if 12gb from 4070s will be enough for 1440p in next few years. Many people say its not that much even now
4070S and 4070 Ti Super are both fine for current 1440p gaming. No one will be able to predict what the future will be, but 4070 Ti Super will technically last longer with that 16GB VRAM.
So the main thing is the Vram. When last of us remake was released on pc it ate up12gb of ram until it was fixed. Some games eat up 16gb already because of bad optimization. If you want future proof card you can buy 4070 ti super beause of 16gb of vram. I have 4070 ti and it's a monster on 1440p but in 2 years i'm pretty sure it won't be enough because of vram. I suggest buying PNY XLR8 4070 ti or ti super. It has vapor chamber, great cooling and card has 0 coil whine nor noise. Avoid garbage gigabyte with their faultry fans. Asus is not the same it was before. If you don't like PNY go for MSI then. Just don't buy asus dual. I suggest 4070 ti super.
Asus is not the same as before in terms of build quality or warranty? since in my country i wont be able to RMA anyway. And msi are only ventus 2x and gaming SLIM x
Ok so slim has worse cooling and also dual models are really bad at cooling 70 ti and ti supers. Yes in terms of warranty, also massive coil whine and quality control issues and overpriced for no reason. I'm speaking from 15 years of experience building pcs. Trust me get PNY XLR8 (rgb version oc) you will be pelased. Just don't get asus. Tell me what other options are available for you?
Zotac trinity and HOLO MSI ventus 3x Inno3d twin x2 PNY xlr8 gaming verto epicx Palit gaminpro Thats all that wasnt mentioned
Okay so there are 2 variations of verto. 1 is slim and one with big radiator. Show me which PNY variant is it exactly. Gaming pro is cheap variant so either go for HOLO or PNY. But first of all show me which pny variant is it and i'll tell you what to pick.
3 fan PNY, also all of them (including asus dual) cost the same i think
I just checked. I have verto epic x which is with bigger radiator so go for it. It is S tier card if you look up reviews. Got great radiator, vapor chamber also 0 coil whine and extremely silent even on 100 load. Also you can undervolt it to be even cooler. Other variabt is Zotac. I cant tell you how good zotac is in 4000 series bit i had 980ti extreme and it was top card. My pny 4070 ti is an excellent card. Many are saying that PNY may become new evga soon. So i suggest taking PNY. You won't regret it. If you somehow don't like it you can go for zotac holo. It's amp so it's higher tier. Asus dual, gaming pro and msi are mid range cards. But if you want my advice pny all the way. Also you will need anti sag bracket its heavy.
Does it come with holder? Since i saw that some PNY cards come with it
I have 4070 ti super tuf and the build quality is very good. The card is pretty quiet because the heat sink is very massive. The card sits at low 60C with fans spinning at 1500rpm. I have no coil whine.