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Wut_Wut_Yeeee

Super cool!! For someone with zero piano experience, I think showing proper hand placement / appropriate finger to hit the notes would help a lot. This is exciting!


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Shamaster1

Scales and their respective chord inversions would be a great add. Awesome concept though. Excited to see how this improves over time


ZachaReid

Love the feedback. I think the potential on the instruction side of things is the real game changer. But to get people to continue to play, the core game functionality has to be super engaging and awesome in its own right. That's this release. Hoping for many more to come :D


Knaledge

would you be able to make it “pause” the note tracks until the right note is pressed? I like this about a similar upcoming game for a different instrument.


Talwyn_Wize

This. Especially for younger children, just finding the right cord/key is a practice, and it'll help the feeling of success.


TehDragonGuy

It seems like it does that already, you can see near the start of the video that happening a few times.


dailyinstance

According to the dev’s Twitter there are three modes. Practice mode is basically the functionality you are talking about. The other two are more “Guitar Hero”-like.


ZachaReid

Yup I do that!


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Why are you asking for this when it's shown, that's what's happening, in the very first AND second clip?No it's not active through all of them, but come on, the very first and second one is pausing and waiting for the right buttons to be hit. And another here and there does it too.. use your damn eyes people :-P


peepeepoopoobutler

Start a gofundme or investment page. Love to help out or invest. Musical instrument learning with VR seems like a game changer.


Shamaster1

I'll DM you some material later. There are some books I used while learning that makes scales and such interesting/engaging.


ZachaReid

Wait actually please do this


BaconAlmighty

\#metoo is that how to use that hashtag :D


ZachaReid

I have that feature like 90% done. I tried automating the estimations for which finger to hit which note, and it felt very jarring when it was wrong. I might have to manually note them all for the default songs. If that feature is heavily requested, I can add it back in


Yonkiman

It was my first thought as well. Another idea you might want to consider - an option to only move the “timeline” forward after the student has played something. (“Played the right notes” is probably too difficult - just move after it detects sound.) I love this concept!


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ZachaReid

Yup it’s on my roadmap!


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aeschenkarnos

No. The numerous other creators who have previously made implementations of this fairly basic concept, still have access to their own implementations; also other creators can still do it in the future.


damontoo

List all the AR piano apps for the Quest. There's exactly two. This one and VRtuos.


aeschenkarnos

So far. There’ll be more. Hopefully for the recorder, the devil’s flute, that horrid instrument with which millions of junior schoolchildren torment their parents and neighbours. Imagine a recorder app that the kid practiced in VR, *silently*. And touch-typing. And calligraphy. And pottery. What exactly is your problem with AR learning apps? The more the better. And just as this one looks better than VRtuos, there’ll be others for the piano better than this one. Firstness is not bestness.


damontoo

Unless you've personally installed and used both apps you have no business saying this looks better than VRtuos. There is *nothing* about this that makes it better than VRtuos. It's a clone of an app someone made months ago and distributed *for free* and this guy is called a "genius" for copying it.


connecteduser

I am with you. I want to learn sheet music.


ZachaReid

Hey everybody! I'm really excited to roll out this app I've been working on the last few months. I'll start sending out invites for Early Access next week. You can join the waitlist here: https://www.pianovision.app Also, here's my twitter thread explaining some details: https://twitter.com/ZachaReid/status/1491787025728434178


retardedboi1991

sorry to bother you but the windows download button on the website gives you an apple disc image file instead of a .exe or other windows formats.


ZachaReid

Appreciate it! I meant to disable those buttons until I start rolling out the early access next week. Thanks for the heads up!


retardedboi1991

oh ok i'm signed up for the early access anyway, guess I'll have to dig the keyboard out of my wardrobe now.


KiritoAsunaYui2022

I signed up


damontoo

Hey everybody! Watch [VR youtubers review VRtuos](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvpfeJbwHr0) from five months ago, the app this app copied without adding anything innovative to it.


vasodys

Frankly OP’s looks better. No need to put stickers on your piano to find the keys and the keys are highlighted in the hand color you’re supposed to press them with as the note is coming down, which would definitely make it easier to hit the correct keys


damontoo

> the keys are highlighted in the hand color you’re supposed to press them with as the note is coming down VRtuos does this too.


inkblot888

Is that app available for platforms not owned by Facebook?


damontoo

No and neither is OP's. It relies on the Quest 2 passthrough API which uses the Oculus SDK. VRtuos is on sidequest though, so you're sideloading an APK and it's not going through Facebook's store.


BigYonsan

These comments should earn a ban. Yeah, we know Facebook is terrible. But you're on r/oculus. You knew what you bought and from who when you got one. If you didn't get one, then what are you doing here?


tsujiku

Not the one you're replying to, but I've both been subscribed here since and bought my first Oculus headset before they were purchased by Facebook. I think it's perfectly reasonable to express an anti-Facebook stance here.


BigYonsan

It's a quest 2 app. No one got a quest 2 from anyone except the FB.


gordonLaxman

Gotta go ...and sign up. And yes I know that was horrible


inkblot888

Is it going to be available for platforms not owned by Facebook?


RoninOni

If any other platforms add passthru similiar to quests that might one day be possible


8blade

This is what VR should be used for: learning and training


Frallan49

Yep this is what AR should be used for.


DeusExHumanum

we should really just call it all XR, VR and AR are evidently two sides of the same coin


lmwfy

> XR, VR and AR are evidently two sides of the same coin Th.. Thanks for saying that. I can finally *visualize* it..


RoninOni

not really AR (this) is adding a HUD over reality. Good for lots of applications for day to day life, learning, etc VR is blackout isolating and transports you to another world. Not nearly as good for trainig, though there are some applications for that (eg; pilot training) but much MUCH better as an entertainment medium than AR which is gimicky at best for gaming/entertainment consumption


Frallan49

Yeah i just said AR for teaching and learning is much more effective than vr.


ShakeandBaked161

Certainly depends, everything has its place I think. This is a great AR education use case but VR certainly has a place for heavy machinery training and things like that. Don't want someone anyone near something that could harm them or others.


lazilyloaded

You know what'd really be cool? AR for teaching and learning.


smexysanta911

Is it suitable for a complete noob who doesn't even know what fingers to use on which keys?


ZachaReid

100%. No lie, I was pretty much a complete noob like 2 months ago


Spectavi

You should talk to Yousician. This is basically an AR version of what they're doing. I've been using their app for the last few months and really love it. If I could also use their large library of songs and training sessions in a Quest app to compliment the desktop and iPad app it would be amazing.


damontoo

OP's app is a clone of VRtuos, an AR piano app for Quest 2 that's been out for months and months.


mallad

Except last I checked (so may have changed) VRtuos had no passthrough, and only allowed notes to come down vertically (from above you and a bit ahead, essentially), which made it tricky for new players to track which note was coming before it got to the keyboard. It also didn't have a great selection of music for new players. That's why competition is good.


damontoo

I linked VRtuos passthrough videos at least twice in this thread. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGk8_n0iyas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvpfeJbwHr0 It also loads an arbitrary number of midi files to learn anything you want.


mallad

As I said, it may have changed since I last used it. Thanks for the update. Also, not my job to watch all your posts in this thread. Most people don't read every single comment on a post. The files it comes with are good songs, but terrible for beginners. I don't know which songs this clone comes with, so wasn't comparing them there.


SvenViking

You might already know but in VRtuos you can add any midi file yourself. You can find them for most popular piano pieces via a Google search. Complex MIDI files with multiple instruments won’t be suitable of course.


HwatBobbyBoy

Yeah, just tried that app. Wish I'd seen the other response. No pass through. Not even any sound or real tutorial unless you have a midi keyboard. I'll keep looking forward to what this guy does.


damontoo

I've linked videos of VRtuos passthrough multiple times thinking people were capable of googling it but apparently you aren't. So [here's a video of it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGk8_n0iyas) and [here's a direct link](https://sidequestvr.com/app/5785/vrtuos-passthrough-beta) to the app, which the developer made available *for free* and OP still copied.


HwatBobbyBoy

Sorry I didn't dig through your comment history to find your links. I did just install this and saw nothing about pass through options. Is that only available on the side loaded beta or did i just miss it on the applab version?


damontoo

It's a separate version.


HwatBobbyBoy

No use to me but, I got hand tracking going and was much nicer to deal with. Keep being you. Cheers.


tocinoesbueno

My son has been taking piano lessons for a few years and he loves VR. This would be the perfect tool for him. Thank you for developing it!


ZachaReid

My pleasure! DM me if you want early access or add yourself to the list here at https://www.pianovision.app/


TheCopernicus

Just requested access! Looks awesome!


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Color coding for proper finger placement would be a cool extra.


ZachaReid

I have that feature like 90% done. I tried automating the estimations for which finger to hit which note, and it felt very jarring when it was wrong. I might have to manually note them all for the default songs. If that feature is heavily requested, I can add it back in sooner


Rhederred

This is actually insane. I had no idea pass through could be used like this


droppedsponge

This is amazing!! Will it work on an Oculus Rift S?


AJTronics

Piano Hero


ZachaReid

I considered naming it that, but it was a little too on the nose 😆


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ZachaReid

Yeah I actually read that when I was coming up with the name lol. I'm pretty happy with the name PianoVision anyway. Especially as AR headsets move closer to glasses


iversenMN

This is awesome! I coculd play the piano as a kid, completely forgot most of it, but once a year I tell myself I'll try and teach myself again - hoping it's still in the fingers heh. This would be an epic way to do it!


AssFasting

Pass through has so much potential, especially in a smaller glasses format or with at least much better camera types.


Ecstatic-Idea-2366

This is super cool-I wonder what the process of adding songs is? Is it a fixed set of music that the app developer needs to configure, or is it possible for a user to upload something like a PDF or finale file of other music?


ZachaReid

It's a fixed set to start with, but I allow you to upload MIDI files as well


Keleion

Woah, I’ll have to try this! Thanks for posting.


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turn learning piano into DDR.


centralparker

Love this, joined the waiting list...


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this is so sick.


JeskaiMage

This is brilliant. Take my money.


ben_27

This is awesome OP!


ZachaReid

Thanks!


Ezzypezra

I think each note should have the correct hand and finger number on it. Other than that, this looks great!


ZachaReid

The red/blue distinction is for the hand. and as for the fingers, I have that feature like 90% done. I tried automating the estimations for which finger to hit which note, and it felt very jarring when it was wrong. I might have to manually note them all for the default songs. If that feature is heavily requested, I'd add it back in


dan_t_mann

Finally! I’ve been wanting something like this for the passthru camera for awhile. Is this going to be available for other VR platforms?


ZachaReid

I only have a Quest 2 right now. Is there another platform you'd like to see it supported that has passthrough?


super0rganism

I NEED THIS


masonsatt

Looks amazing, really well done. Looking forward to trying it out!


masonsatt

Looks amazing, really well done. Looking forward to trying it out!


ZachaReid

Thanks!


Jatotz

Will this be a free program?


ZachaReid

I’m thinking probably. I might restrict some features to a paid version since I’m working on this full time


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triconda31

Wow!


zaptrem

Waitlist submit button is broken in website. Says “oops! Something went wrong” etc.


ZachaReid

Hmm really? Can you try again? I didn’t have an issue


badr_212

This is so cool


TooManyGoldPieces

Fuck this is so awesome


Dspaede

I hope there is for RiftS users


Weedlewaadle

This is something else, wow!


cebu4u

wait - is this only for Quest 2 or will it be available for the 1?


oculus

Can you imagine the next Chopin saying they learned how to play thru VR?


blasterfaiz

I'M GETTING A QUEST 2 NOW


CaptainSharpe

Oh wow I need this


InterestingChart4169

This is the most interesting VR thing I've seen yet. When are synths coming along an virtual studios? Well done to you. This is what AR is about to me.


damontoo

What's the difference between this and VRtuos which has been out for probably a year now? I don't particular like software that copies other software 1:1. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGk8_n0iyas


theillustratedlife

It's all just copying Guitar Hero/Rock Band.


damontoo

It absolutely isn't. This is nothing like Guitar Hero or Rock Band. Also, VRtuos accepts custom midis and has a desktop companion app that connects to your midi keyboard to pause until you play the correct notes. OP has copied them exactly. Edit: Also, both you and OP work in the bay area. I highly doubt your defense of him is a coincidence. Wouldn't be surprised if you're an alt even.


corbygray528

Holy shit, TWO redditors in a technology based subreddit work in the bay area? There's no fucking way that's possible! They have to be the same account.


BladezFTW

As a piano player for multiple years and counting... it's interesting, and if it sparks interest for my favourite instrument I'm all for it. My suggestions would be please try to learn them sheet music at some point, because it is very important. And perhaps every now and then tips for correct posture etc. I think it's a neat idea but for the people who have zero experience - a teacher will always be the best.


ZachaReid

I'm looking to add sheet music pretty soon. I'm starting with this base fun dynamic to make the core of the experience enjoyable. But my goal forsure is to build out an instructional experience.


Delicious-Tachyons

God i hate sheet music, as a guitarist. To me, tab + tunings is sufficient because any time i look at a note on top of or below the treble cleft it's like "OK count the lines, then figure out the timing, then find the note on my guitar".. takes forever to pick it up, and my memory's so crap i don't retain it unless i play the same piece over and over ad nauseum, which i can't because i'm kinda ADHD and my hobbies get a max of 15 minutes tops before i get bored


TechExpert2910

Maybe my beatsaber skills would come to some use afterall 👀


MedicalMann

Just a question: would we be able to use any piano with this or similar apps already on the store?


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Love what you're doing here!


itwasntme2013

I am in! Where is it?


ZachaReid

Sign up for the early access waitlist here: https://www.pianovision.app/


dismalrevelations23

Too much friction. If you want to learn piano, just play piano every day.


owls1289

I Can't wait to start playing the piano with this!


rea1l1

This is what Ive been waiting for.


benjancewicz

Oh wow. I’ve been waiting for something like this. Can the tempo be adjusted? And can we add MIDI files to it?


ZachaReid

Yup! You can play between .25x and 1x. And yeah I have a desktop companion app to connect your midi keyboard and to really easily upload new MIDI


kevinj92

Cool! Will it be playable only on augmented reality or there will be a virtual piano for those who don't own it?


bman123457

A virtual piano is the sort of thing that sounds nice in theory, but in practice trying to play an instrument that requires so much manual dexterity without feeling the keys would be almost impossible.


ZachaReid

Yeah this, plus hand/finger tracking isn't good enough yet. Maybe some haptic feedback gloves in the future would enable this


LowPreparation2347

This is AWESOME! Compatible with just the quest2?


copaceticfungus

This is absolutely incredible!!


Zelanore

I need this!!


drugs_r_neat

This is awesome. I wanna go get my piano tuned now


Zachariou

Really cool! Does it work with a keyboard opposed to a piano?


ZachaReid

Yup, a MIDI keyboard is preferred


SexyCato

Would it be coming to rift models as well?


Diddlyono

will there be custom music support


ZachaReid

yeah you can upload custom MIDI files


Accurate-Temporary73

This is amazing.


StubbornMaker

Is that Sideload?


ZachaReid

For now, yea


Mannstrane

Will this work with any size keyboard controller?


ZachaReid

I support all the main sizes. If I don’t support yours, lmk and I’ll add it


MutualistSymbiosis

A good use case. We need these for all instruments and every other skill. There needs to be more educational apps in VR that have been gamified.


ZachaReid

If I had all the time in the world, I’d be simultaneously doing this for first drums and then guitar


Thecid0

Wow, now that's cool


jokimazi

I signed up on the website. Will it work with Yamaha synthesiser?


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I’ve been waiting to see this played. I will be officially getting this one for my headset.


Rave-TZ

Does it support midi to only progress when the key is hit? Wireless midi is possible, even in Unity. Talk to me if you need any help with that aspect.


Arfman2

Is this also useable for a keyboard?


Act_True

As a rhythm gamer, this is genius. Time to learn the piano!


HowDoIDoFinances

How much configuration does this require to properly track on the piano? Like for different sized keyboards, different heights, etc?


PlushieGamer1228

Looks cool is their a way to import custom sheets?


Versius23

I am not finding this on the Oculus Store for my Quest 2? Am I needing to do something else?


Knightmare

The fact that he didn't play Still Dre is a fucking travesty... Such a missed opportunity.


Dacvak

Does this require midi data streaming to the headset, or is it based off of some combination of camera/microphone input?


XBacklash

I want this for drums!


Poofy_

Well. This is awesome.


NiceTryKemosabe

Put myself on the list. I’ve got a keyboard and a baby grand that don’t get enough love. This could be perfect for a casual (like 3/10 skill) player like me who can’t read sheet music.


palekids

One of the best use cases I've seen with for passthrough. Honestly I hope to see more applications like this that enable literal hands on learning.


morderkaine

How do you tell when a key is pressed? Visually or sound? Curious as a Developer who has not tried AR stuff yet.


imightgetdownvoted

I know it’s not quite as simple, but I’d love something like this for drums. I figure you’d have to map each drum so the software knows where everything is. Would be cool to hookup an electronic drum kit to it.


cleanuponaisle4

This is awesome.


billions_of_stars

Welp. I thank (blame) you for forcing me to push the BUY button in Amazon.


esiege

So for AR stuff on the Oculus - it seems like the experience would be much better if the hardware was equipped with a real full-color camera in addition to the one for image recognition (and displayed for the user vision experience). I'm not too versed in VR... is this something that has been experimented with or used in other headsets?


Pace1337

Does this app let us upload midis?


BabyWrinkles

Following with great interest… I will literally buy a device to play this with once it’s a bit more polished. I’ve been waiting for this exact sort of thing to come. There’s iPad apps that do something similar (FlowKey comes to mind), but the actual note to key thing is the killer part for me.


ZachaReid

Is there something you think would give this more polish? I'm very open to feedback


ThatOneVRGuyFromAuz

This looks great, joined the mailing list!


Zundrium

Any idea if this can work for quest 1?


kinggimped

As a VR enthusiast, I love it! This is some wonderful use of passthrough. As a pianist, I kinda hate it. Learning piano this way will teach you to play like a robot, much like Synthesia. Playing the piano well/properly is a LOT more than just hitting the right key at the right moment. But used as a tool to aid practice, learn chord shapes/voicings, etc., it could be really helpful. I hope that some instruction is given to fingering, technique, posture etc. as well as just instructing you which keys to play. I wonder if the updates to hand tracking would help with that side of things. Good luck OP, looks like a cool project!


ZilGuber

Where can we get it? Is it on app lab?


ZachaReid

Coming to SideQuest hopefully very soon and App Lab as well.


ComposerConsistent83

This is pretty dope. I could see it being really useful to learn a song through rote repetition, but am a little skeptical about using it to learn how the theory works… but then again, a lot of people just want to be able to bang out a few cool songs.


ZachaReid

A great piano instruction app needs a great mechanic at its core. That's what this release is aiming for. The theory part is to come :)


ComposerConsistent83

Cool I look forward to seeing it!


teruma

Yooo is this open source? I'd love to contribute or create songmaps/lessons using this (free and open, ofc)


The_D0ct0r11th

Is it laggy? Looks laggy


ZachaReid

The lag you see is the notes stopping for you to play them. In competitive mode, there's no lag


The_D0ct0r11th

That's smart. What a clever idea


Whatifim80lol

VERY excited about this until I remembered I don't have a piano or keyboard anymore.


pedemendigo

Where can I get that??


ZachaReid

Sign up for the waitlist at https://PianoVision.app I’m starting to roll it out next week


34doctor

I would buy a quest just for this


shahyaz

Wow... this looks amazing. How do I sign up for a beta?


ZachaReid

Sign up here https://www.pianovision.app/


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Cool! I have a BMus, doing MMus (not piano haha) piano is soooo hard for me. I would definitely use this to see if it would help me learn or keep the piano skills I learned in my undergrad!


someonerandom12e

I got so excited for this I went to the store to buy it only to find it isn't on there yet lol


jr23160

I'd love more information on how to get this and what I can do to try this out.


ZachaReid

Sign up for my early access waitlist here: https://www.pianovision.app/ I will start rolling it out next week


mrvrlover

Is this on applab?


ZachaReid

Not yet


MistaShiChen

100% profit to be made from this tech…


Scoricco

I might be able to play piano with this.


5MadMovieMakers

Was just wondering yesterday if there's an app out there like this yet. Awesome!


Ethanlucky7

I wish this existed for guitar but I can only imagine how much more difficult implementing it could be


ZachaReid

Much more difficult, but doable with a lot of work I think


Mitoni

like Beat Saber, but with purpose. I am looking forward for where AR will bring us in a few years with stuff like this transparent overlay displays


brazly

I want to try this! I’ve never played. But this looks fun.