27 LOB - I'm ok with this for the unrelated fact that we looked good against an elite team - a few this and that changes and we sweep them but instead go down 2-1 in the series - I'm OK --- I keep telling myself....ok ok ok ... for so long now I was lying to myself and now I'm not - I will take that - thank you O's for what you are doing this season - it is fantastic.
These last two games kind of pissed me off. Could have, should have swept if not for the pen. I think it's time to move Cano to closer. He is clearly superior to Bautista right now.
I only caught Kremer's start and Bradish's first three innings, but honestly if you told me Thursday night the starters would give us 17 innings and 5 runs against Atlanta I would've been over the moon. But losing both games after leading late and emptying the tank with no off day between us and Tampa Bay fucking sucks.
Kremer had some pretty timely groundballs and lucky loud outs, but I saw Wells had a game high 10 whiffs today. Did he and Bradish pitch convincingly?
Trying to look at the positives and think of this is as just one of the 50+ losses we'll see, especially against a top 5 team on the road. But hard not to look at the bullpen cracking as a natural conclusion to such a heavy workload in April.
Really just need the starters to get it going since I won't be surprised if Tate and Givens have slow starts.
Braves fan coming in peaceš Good luck the rest of the wayšš¤š» The umps were awful this series on BOTH sides š” They def didnāt favor one team the whole seriesš¤š
I fucking hate the Toronto Blue Jays! I hate them even more than the Red Sox and Yankees. THERE! I said it. Those no good bandwagon knob gobbling hosers.
Mountcastle 0-5 with a shit ton of men left on base. Why o why do the Orioles continue to bat this guy in the heart of the order? Nobody talking about sending him back to the minors. Move his ass to the bottom of the order until he shows he can drive runners in, especially in clutch situations. Mountcastle especially sucks in clutch situations. Sick of the excuses and empty stats about bad luck. He doesn't deserve to be batting 3rd. Until he stops leaving men on base.
Yea, if Hyde is going to continue to play lineup roulette then he needs to base it on the hot bats of the week. Mullins and Santander at the top Mountcastle and Henderson at the bottom
If weāre complaining about players, I think the shine has worn off Henderson. 0-5 with 2 Ks and 5 LOB. Batting .176. Where do you want to hide him in the lineup. Iād like to see him get a month in Tidewater to get his mojo back.
The Stowers crowd needs to apologize to Hyder and Elias....
Its almost like people paid millions to do this actually know better than social media. What a concept. lol
You'd hope he'll get it back soon! Overall, his best, most unhittable form was when he was the set up man to Jorge Lopez. At this point last year he was similar to what Cano is now.
Why did we experiment so much this series and not against the below .500 teams? Like Urias at first last night and whatever the hell this batting order was today?
We gave them hell, but didnāt get the series win. It could have been a sweep just as well. It is so great to compete against the best in MLB as a great team ourselves. If this series was at OPACY, we would have won handily. I hope we can sign our young players like the Braves did and build a bright future. That was a brilliant move! Up to our owner. Orioles proud tonight!!!
Going to be *that* annoying Braves fan (sorry). LOVED playing you guys this series. It was a ton of fun to watch and I'd have said the same if y'all had won today. The O's have been my second team since the 2012 WC season, so it makes me super excited to see the team showing such promise this year.
Rooting for you guys the rest of the way. And fuck the Yanks/Sox.
Yeah, if you need to say that youāre that annoying Braves fan, probably donāt say it.
Good game, good series, but man this fan base is so tired of people beating us and saying āoh man so fun to play you guys loved it!!ā
Fucking tough one today. Iād only heard Melanie Newman yesterday and today. Does great work but like, does it annoy anyone the way she over pronounces the Hispanic players name? Sheās from Georgia no?
Not trying to troll, it just irked me. Sheās good at her job and all.
As someone who has a name that is different from the average Joe, I genuinely appreciate it. When someone says my name the correct way, accent and all, it warms my heart lol. Latino here.
I can appreciate that. Just seems a tad disingenuous when the person saying it is a chick from Georgia.
Iād love to hear how she pronounces Ibiza cause you know it would sound like Ibithaaaa.
Iām just saying she over does it.
You're saying that because she's from Georgia she shouldn't be trying to pronounce people's names correctly? That doing so is "disingenuous"? What would be genuous? Americanizing their names?
Her job is to talk to/about these guys, she should be doing her 100% best to say their names correctly. Impossible for her to become latina herself, and she isn't required to be courteous enough to learn how they themselves pronounce their names, but she's doing it anyway. Good on her.
Braves fan here in peace. Great series, hopefully we can do it one more time at the end of October. Wishing y'all good luck and good health the rest of the way
Absolutely not. Not everyone is fucking Adley. Henderson has had like 2 months total of major league experience he needs time. Hell Adley struggled his first month or 2 up. If he's still struggling come mid June, then you send him down.
Adley definitely struggled. He was around .200 his first month and a half with lots of walks, just like Henderson. Though I think he was batting low in the lineup, which is probably where GH should be right now.
That's true. He always looked calm and collected no matter what was going on or how he was hitting.
I noticed the head hanging and dejection in Henderson even last year when things weren't going so well at the end. What all that means long term I have no idea.
Braves fan here. Just wanted to say great series and every O's fan who dropped in our game and post game threads was classy af. Big respect to you all. Now go win the AL. šš
Like I said in my original post it was nothing but class from both sides. There were plenty of O's fans in the Braves threads and it was appreciated. Check my comment history if you dont believe me.
Hey I dont think you had any negative intent. Simply trying to explain why ppl might find that comment irritating. Personally I got no problem with it or you or any fans that engage in respectful conversation as you have done
100%. You guys have a great young club. Gonna be serious contenders for awhile. Im older and have been watching MLB religiously since 1982. The game is SOOOO MUCH BETTER with the Orioles winning. ā¤ļøš
I know that we lost two of three to the Braves, but hot damned if they were not all close and competitive games! I would watch these two teams bang heads any day of the week.
It's easy to say that the bullpen blew the lead twice in this series, but I think the real story was the lack of timely hitting. A few more knocks with runners on, and this might have been a sweep.
I come from a timeline where we did "try to win" yesterday's game by bringing in Cano and guess what he blew it. After the game, there were a lot of comments like "why not go with the fresh arm there?" And "Coulombe has been lights out why don't we trust him with a lead?" I guess 20/20 post game guesswork is universal in all timelines.
The biggest problem we have is our starters are throwing too many pitches too quickly.
Maybe I'm dreaming things up, but it seems like all of our starters get two strikes and then are suddenly afraid to throw another pitch in the zone. They start dancing around the zone trying to get the batter to chase. I get it. Get them to chase and strike them out or induce weak contact.
But ALL of our starters are doing it and it seems the other teams KNOW that's what they are doing.
But this series laid clear that our starters HAVE to start going longer or we need to make a trade for better pitching. Bullpen still looks solid but they are overworked. That's a problem that will only get worse.
6, 5, and 5 against this team is a success but it's unfortunate they were unable to capitalize long outings while playing weaker teams. Hopefully the starters keep trending in the right direction
Adley is awesome but he needs to be more consistent at the plate. Outside of his 3 big games this year (which obviously count and mattered), he is hitting under .200
The only argument against it could be don't spend the "good" prospects (i.e. Ortiz/Cowser/Westburg/Kjerstad) for a rental (pending FA) chasing this years' Wild Card.
A player with 1 years' control (Burnes) might be a gray area.
Burnes would have a year and a half of control. Basically look at it as you would get him for 2 playoff runs. You would need to look at the Luis Castillo trade and Chris Sale trade. You are going to have to give up those types of prospects to get the Burnes of the world and even more to get the Alcantara's and Cease's of the world. And there should be no issue with it since we have the depth and aren't promoting to MLB ready guys to the mlb roster. If you aren't going to promote your young guys you need to trade them for established talent
I mean you cant make a splash now, no one is trading anyone. Come July yes definitely. The front office goal right now is to bridge the gap with good enough pitching so we are still contending in July
Braves fan specifically coming here to rave about Cano. I thought they used him correctly and got two flawless innings out of him.
Dude is filthy and made all six batters he faced look lost.
Itās good to see you guys carry the momentum forward from last season. Yāall have a solid squad and once TB inevitably regresses youāre going to be squarely in the mix.
Yep thatās whatās really pissing me off we for sure shouldāve won the series and had a chance to sweep Atlanta I get that Atlantas great and we played very well but in my opinion this is easily the worst series loss this year
Why would you think we should have won the series? Atlanta is the current favorite to win it all. They pretty clearly outclass us right now.
We did fine. They were just a little better.
That was a great series. The fact that we can go toe to toe with arguably the best team in the NL is a strong statement even though we didnāt get it done. Those losses were so close though. Yes eventually we will need to win close games like that, but weāre getting there. I have no doubt.
I would like to know why McKenna ran for Urias instead of pinch hitting for Stowers. Seems like platoon splits don't matter much when Stowers is hitting .100
Wasnāt the majority of the sub clamoring to demote McKenna and recall Stowers just a couple weeks ago? Now we want Stowers gone?
Thereās nothing left for Stowers to do at AAA, he needs a shot at doing it in the majors, and weāre not gonna give up on him after 21 ABs.
Every time Stowers swung his bat in the game today, it looked like he was swinging for the fences. He looked completely lost.
Extra inning game, runner on second, his job is to advance the runner, not swing for the fences.
He is getting regular ABs now that heās back. He needs to see major league pitching to take the next step. When heās been in AAA this year his OPS is .996. Heās done learning there.
He has multiple ABs in 5 of 7 games since he game back.
But okay dude. I could say the sky is blue and youād dispute it. Go give Elias your resume and weāll have a WS title by the end of the year.
Here he gets to pinch hit and start maybe twice a week. In Norfolk he can get 5 PA a day.
>Go give Elias your resume and weāll have a WS title by the end of the year.
I don't know what this is supposed to mean.
Hyde haters -- I don't agree with a lot of what he's been doing either but these are the first meaningful games this guy has ever managed.
He's a "prospect" just like the kids, really.
Yeah Stowers should have bunted or McKenna should have hit for Stowers if they wanted to swing away. It's true.
If he's smart he's going to learn from today. If he's still making bad calls in September we can talk about him sucking.
The guy has literally only managed 2 months of relevant baseball. It's not panic time yet.
Maybe panic a little about the starters not being able to reliably pitch 5 innings.
Overall, this team has performed amazingly so far this season, but this series just proved we just gotta get the pitching solidified if we want to hang with the best come September/October
I mean, if we had a recent WS under our belt I would be too. The issue will be our division is so tough that every series matters for us to make the playoffs.
The braves can probably coast into the playoffs this year
Great games, if I had to blame anyone it's gonna be Brandon Hyde for not going for the win on Saturday and instead bringing in Danny over Cano. Now we got an exhausted bullpen on a loss. And we gotta play the #1 team tomorrow with no rest. Should be interesting.
At this point of the year and with all things considered, Iām okay with taking 1 of 3 on the road from the Braves. Thereās a lot to work out still but the foundation is clearly here for greatness. I think Stowers needs to head back down, I would say Henderson too but thatās never going to happen and I have no issue with that because weāve been winning even with him in this massive slump.
If the organization has no problem sending Ortiz down after him coming up and instantly making an impact, I see no problem with them sending down Stowers who has come up for OāHearn and had much less of an impact than OāHearn did
I went to 16 games last year, 9 games the year before and have been 3 games this year and am beginning to question why. Ownership doesnāt care about this team. Iām a broke college student that spends my only money on tickets to orioles games. I feel like Iām investing in the orioles more than any person up in the front office
Maybe go be a Yankees fan.
Edit: I just looked at your post history and you seem like you hate this team, and maybe everybody in general. Sucks to be you, i guess.
Well, Iād say the orioles proved themselves even in a losing series.
Canāt win āem all. And thatās ok.
Edit; for the clown who said the oās were āembarrassedā and deleted the comment before I could respond.
The Braves are the best team in the national league and itās not particularly close this season.
To play well, against this team, and take a chunk off of them does say quite a bit on where we are, and where we need to go.
We lost two one run games, one in extras. And we won the opener pretty handily. Hardly embarrassing.
Youāre going to have games like this. Shit happens. Every team has this.
The oās have a lot to prove, and I believe they did prove what they needed to.
Lots of Hyde slander ā None of us know the dynamic between him and the front office when making lineups and deciding pitcher availability. On a lot of teams, managers donāt make those decisions entirely independently.
Who decides who bunts and when to pinch hit and pinch run?
Seemed really bizarre to pull Urias but let the worst hitter on the team hit. It's not like Urias can't score from second.
I would bet anything whether or not we bunt in extras is an organizational decision made before the season even started. The analytics donāt support playing for one run in extras as the away team, and most teams donāt bunt there.
Using McKenna to run instead of PH I canāt speak to. Not sure what data they have on that particular pitcher and his pitch types and how it matches up against Stowers / McKenna.
Do the analytics factor in that the player hitting at that moment has a bat that resembles a pool noodle?
I kid, mostly, but Frazier should be bunting because that's what role players do.
Because Hays is a bad base runner lol
Frazier had been hitting well in both games - you do not take the bat out of his hands in a tied game to give up an out *when you are the away team.*
I know what the numbers say. I also know when it's Frazier, Urias and Stowers/McKenna I'm trying to get 1 run and hoping my pitcher can hold.
We aren't going to play as many games as the simulations are based off of. Sometimes you can defy them.
>I also know when itās Frazier
The guy who drove in three runs yesterday and was on base twice thanks to a double and a walk? Ok.
If you donāt feel confident in Frazier, Urias and Stowers/McKenna thatās a better argument *against* bunting and just handing the Braves an out. Because then in best case in your argument, you leave Hays stranded at 3B.
Sometimes you lose games. That doesnāt mean you ignore baseball basics by bunting as an away team in a tied game.
What I don't trust about them is that letting them hit is going to produce more than one run which is the theory behind not sacrificing an out. I'd rather try to get my one run that doesn't require a hit to produce in that part of the lineup.
It's different when Santander is up and belts a double to score the run and gives you a chance at more. Frazier hit the ball hard for him and it wasn't deep enough to get the guy to third. You're allowed to make decisions based on your personnel.
It's fine if you don't want to bunt, but in that case the substitution should have been McKenna for Stowers.
Platoon splits don't matter when one of the two players is literally hitting .100
Thereās more to PH decisions than L/R platoons. Unfortunately I donāt think weāll get to know Hydeās reasoning because beat writers donāt ask those kinds of questions. It may be as simple as wanting Stowers to get that experience early in the season.
I think watching "Welcome to Wrexham" has been helpful for me in getting a sense of what it's like to run a team day-to-day.
It's easy for fans to be like "why didn't you put out X, or do Y strategy, or pull out Z earlier?" You don't know the players as people, but just as X's and O's on a strategy board, or as numbers in an excel sheet. The reality is that the players are people. They have good days and bad days. We want them to be professionals, and we want them to win, but sometimes a dude wakes up with a headache and isn't performing super well, or a guy is exuding a lot of confidence and he's coming back to the dugout ready to chomp at his next AB despite getting out, and so you let him get a few more chances.
The reality is that Hyde is making these decisions and he forgets far more about the team's state than just about anybody in the GDT actually knows about the Orioles team this year.
I mean, if you want to give your opinions on how the game should be managed that's fine, but when people are calling for Hyde to be fired because he lost 2 straight 1-run games, which are statistically toss-ups (literally in the long run, 1-run games are as close to 50/50 as you can get in baseball), that's when I think it's a bit absurd.
And honestly, some of y'all would be much better served mentally if you wrote "good game, we'll get 'em next time" than writing up a dissertation of every strategic mistake Hyde made during a full 9 innings of baseball (or 12 in this case) and moving on with your life because some people in this sub and on the GDT act way too high and mighty as fans when it comes to how much they actually know about the game of baseball and how a 162-game season needs to be managed.
Okay, after we made the Royals look like WS contenders, we could have done a lot worse this series. The Rays are due for a step back. I wouldn't be surprised if we gave it to them. I like Hyde's aggressive nature. He has confidence in his guys and our team has confidence in each other.
Let's go O's.
The only reason Wells didnt get 6 today was this shit umpire. Two OBVIOUS and indisputable strikeouts that weren't called and extended the pitch count by at least 12 pitches.
I'm here modding this thread because you, and others, can't have a normal conversation without resulting to insults.
So yes, I am reading these comments.
No doubt the starting pitching is the weak link for this team but they could definitely *make* the playoffs without a "true ace," they came within a few wins of doing it last year. How far they'd get in the playoffs, who knows. But they could definitely make it.
Also never forget the 2014 Tigers had an absolutely stacked rotation and our O's smoked them in the Division Series.
Pitching was great all series. Team ERA of about 3.20. Hitting was great for the first 15 innings.
They got two more big hits than we did this weekend. If we win today, the Braves are pointing at all the same things ā lack of hits with RISP and getting thrown out at 3rd in extras.
At least when we lose a series it doesnāt have any head-to-head ramifications for playoff seeding.
Despite the outcomes sucking ass, this was a fucking awesome series. Full of drama and tension and showing how much of a beast Anthony Santander can be.
But manā¦Iām concerned about Felix
Ggs orioles. Iām excited as fuck to see yāallās rise these past couple years. Hope yāall become a force in the AL and we meet again soon in October
Iām just baffled at the Hyde hate. Yes I donāt agree with every decision he made/makesā¦.. but for the love of everything look at the RISP numbers todayā¦.. Ben McDonald kept harping back to it all game long, and as he should. Brandon Hyde didnāt lose this game. Quit bitching.
Iām looking at Dillon Tateās numbers in his rehab assignment and yeesh, he has a long way to go before heās ready to come back and thatās assuming his forearm injury isnāt anything more serious. Thatās Perezās lone saving grace right there. Heāll get a few more weeks to show us something before we decide whether or not to cut the cord with him for good.
We just went 12 innings with a great team. This couldve easily been a sweep series either way. Are we great? Maybe not. But we are better than good. So.. a VERY good team
The people who are like āwe played hard this seriesā āwe competed hardā āwish we wouldāve won the seriesā are just typing for upvotes and totally ignoring the problem. Brandon hyde has to go. 2 games in a row he has lost for us. I agree. We pitched well. We ācompetedā like any team with this talent would do. But when the manager keeps baker in after struggling big time, doesnāt use bautista or cano yesterday in a big spot, doesnāt bunt ONCE in extras today, and the thousands of other things heās done we will continue to have games like this slip right through our fingers
Sometimes I read a comment that makes it very obvious that the writer is an Orioles fan and not much of a baseball fan.
Thereās nothing wrong with that inherently, but it doesnāt give you a very clear idea of whatās needed to successfully manage a bullpen series to series, the actual value of a single win over a National League team in early May, the effects of cumulative wear on a bullpen pressed into hard use through a 162 game season, or how 29 other major league bullpens are managed every day and have been for years.
If you could manage the bullpen, Iām sure youād go all in every single night. But that doesnāt make it the right decision. Nor does your lability make Hyde a bad manager.
Hyde was a place holder manager but the Orioles shocked everyone last year so now he's the manager for the forseeable future and we won't know for a while if that's bad or not.
27 LOB - I'm ok with this for the unrelated fact that we looked good against an elite team - a few this and that changes and we sweep them but instead go down 2-1 in the series - I'm OK --- I keep telling myself....ok ok ok ... for so long now I was lying to myself and now I'm not - I will take that - thank you O's for what you are doing this season - it is fantastic.
These last two games kind of pissed me off. Could have, should have swept if not for the pen. I think it's time to move Cano to closer. He is clearly superior to Bautista right now.
Offense didn't show up during the last game, along with stupid baserunning mistakes. Pitching kept the Braves tame for 11 innings.
I only caught Kremer's start and Bradish's first three innings, but honestly if you told me Thursday night the starters would give us 17 innings and 5 runs against Atlanta I would've been over the moon. But losing both games after leading late and emptying the tank with no off day between us and Tampa Bay fucking sucks. Kremer had some pretty timely groundballs and lucky loud outs, but I saw Wells had a game high 10 whiffs today. Did he and Bradish pitch convincingly? Trying to look at the positives and think of this is as just one of the 50+ losses we'll see, especially against a top 5 team on the road. But hard not to look at the bullpen cracking as a natural conclusion to such a heavy workload in April. Really just need the starters to get it going since I won't be surprised if Tate and Givens have slow starts.
Sad we lost but what a series! The Os played really well. Could just as easily won both of those games. Ready to be home. Go Os!
Braves fan coming in peaceš Good luck the rest of the wayšš¤š» The umps were awful this series on BOTH sides š” They def didnāt favor one team the whole seriesš¤š
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Is this like a meme now? ChatGPT?
I fucking hate the Toronto Blue Jays! I hate them even more than the Red Sox and Yankees. THERE! I said it. Those no good bandwagon knob gobbling hosers.
Mountcastle 0-5 with a shit ton of men left on base. Why o why do the Orioles continue to bat this guy in the heart of the order? Nobody talking about sending him back to the minors. Move his ass to the bottom of the order until he shows he can drive runners in, especially in clutch situations. Mountcastle especially sucks in clutch situations. Sick of the excuses and empty stats about bad luck. He doesn't deserve to be batting 3rd. Until he stops leaving men on base.
Yea, if Hyde is going to continue to play lineup roulette then he needs to base it on the hot bats of the week. Mullins and Santander at the top Mountcastle and Henderson at the bottom
Move Frazier to 3rd bat
If weāre complaining about players, I think the shine has worn off Henderson. 0-5 with 2 Ks and 5 LOB. Batting .176. Where do you want to hide him in the lineup. Iād like to see him get a month in Tidewater to get his mojo back.
The Stowers crowd needs to apologize to Hyder and Elias.... Its almost like people paid millions to do this actually know better than social media. What a concept. lol
If those two listened to social media we wouldn't be doing this well. Last year all people did was bitch about Monty, Mateo & Santander.
Judging by the "why can't Henderson hit like Adley did when he first came up" crowd, a lot of us have memory holed the "Bustchman" stuff too.
General Sherman didnāt go far enough. Fuck the Braves and fuck their tomahawk chopping fans.
This year no lead is safe with Bautista. He is looking a lot like Armando Benitez.
You'd hope he'll get it back soon! Overall, his best, most unhittable form was when he was the set up man to Jorge Lopez. At this point last year he was similar to what Cano is now.
Why did we experiment so much this series and not against the below .500 teams? Like Urias at first last night and whatever the hell this batting order was today?
We gave them hell, but didnāt get the series win. It could have been a sweep just as well. It is so great to compete against the best in MLB as a great team ourselves. If this series was at OPACY, we would have won handily. I hope we can sign our young players like the Braves did and build a bright future. That was a brilliant move! Up to our owner. Orioles proud tonight!!!
Going to be *that* annoying Braves fan (sorry). LOVED playing you guys this series. It was a ton of fun to watch and I'd have said the same if y'all had won today. The O's have been my second team since the 2012 WC season, so it makes me super excited to see the team showing such promise this year. Rooting for you guys the rest of the way. And fuck the Yanks/Sox.
I miss when the Mid-Atlantic used to be just the Os and the Braves. Please clap the Nats every series for us.
Yeah, if you need to say that youāre that annoying Braves fan, probably donāt say it. Good game, good series, but man this fan base is so tired of people beating us and saying āoh man so fun to play you guys loved it!!ā
Sorry my dude ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ Be well.
Fucking tough one today. Iād only heard Melanie Newman yesterday and today. Does great work but like, does it annoy anyone the way she over pronounces the Hispanic players name? Sheās from Georgia no? Not trying to troll, it just irked me. Sheās good at her job and all.
as opposed to Scott Garceau saying George Lopez?
As someone who has a name that is different from the average Joe, I genuinely appreciate it. When someone says my name the correct way, accent and all, it warms my heart lol. Latino here.
I can appreciate that. Just seems a tad disingenuous when the person saying it is a chick from Georgia. Iād love to hear how she pronounces Ibiza cause you know it would sound like Ibithaaaa. Iām just saying she over does it.
You're saying that because she's from Georgia she shouldn't be trying to pronounce people's names correctly? That doing so is "disingenuous"? What would be genuous? Americanizing their names? Her job is to talk to/about these guys, she should be doing her 100% best to say their names correctly. Impossible for her to become latina herself, and she isn't required to be courteous enough to learn how they themselves pronounce their names, but she's doing it anyway. Good on her.
Great series. Rooting for the orioles this year. Fuck the jankees
Braves fan here in peace. Great series, hopefully we can do it one more time at the end of October. Wishing y'all good luck and good health the rest of the way
What do they do with GH? He is not having the best time out there.
Itās time to send him down, heās got to get his head straight. Westburg and Cowser are making an argument to be up over Henderson and Stowers.
Absolutely not. Not everyone is fucking Adley. Henderson has had like 2 months total of major league experience he needs time. Hell Adley struggled his first month or 2 up. If he's still struggling come mid June, then you send him down.
Adley definitely struggled. He was around .200 his first month and a half with lots of walks, just like Henderson. Though I think he was batting low in the lineup, which is probably where GH should be right now.
Adley was never hanging his head like Henderson is on a daily basis.
That's true. He always looked calm and collected no matter what was going on or how he was hitting. I noticed the head hanging and dejection in Henderson even last year when things weren't going so well at the end. What all that means long term I have no idea.
I agree. Though Henderson's FG hit tool is quite low at a 45 fv. Hitting around .250-.260 should be his expected average in the future
Yep, they have him 45/50 hit but what really shocked me was the Game Power 55/70 and Raw Power 65/70. We haven't seen that yet.
Braves fan here. Just wanted to say great series and every O's fan who dropped in our game and post game threads was classy af. Big respect to you all. Now go win the AL. šš
Awww c'mon don't be hatin with the downvotes. This game could have gone either way today, and it would still have been a great series.
I get the sentiment but if the braves would've lost would you have liked an orioles fan doing the same thing in the braves subreddit? Come on
Like I said in my original post it was nothing but class from both sides. There were plenty of O's fans in the Braves threads and it was appreciated. Check my comment history if you dont believe me.
Hey I dont think you had any negative intent. Simply trying to explain why ppl might find that comment irritating. Personally I got no problem with it or you or any fans that engage in respectful conversation as you have done
I get it. Just trying to show an olive branch to an organization and fan base I respect. Trust me there aren't many I do.
Thanks man! I donāt know why people are hating. We got to watch some good baseball! And the games were competitive and close, with TWO good teams.
100%. You guys have a great young club. Gonna be serious contenders for awhile. Im older and have been watching MLB religiously since 1982. The game is SOOOO MUCH BETTER with the Orioles winning. ā¤ļøš
I know that we lost two of three to the Braves, but hot damned if they were not all close and competitive games! I would watch these two teams bang heads any day of the week.
It's easy to say that the bullpen blew the lead twice in this series, but I think the real story was the lack of timely hitting. A few more knocks with runners on, and this might have been a sweep.
Agreed. The bullpen can only carry so much on their shoulders during a series. Offense needs to provide more support to take some of that weight off.
The Rays tied the Yankees after being down 6-0 lol
2011 anyone?
I come from a timeline where we did "try to win" yesterday's game by bringing in Cano and guess what he blew it. After the game, there were a lot of comments like "why not go with the fresh arm there?" And "Coulombe has been lights out why don't we trust him with a lead?" I guess 20/20 post game guesswork is universal in all timelines.
I wish I could give your comment 10 likes. All these armchair managers are sure know it alls.
The biggest problem we have is our starters are throwing too many pitches too quickly. Maybe I'm dreaming things up, but it seems like all of our starters get two strikes and then are suddenly afraid to throw another pitch in the zone. They start dancing around the zone trying to get the batter to chase. I get it. Get them to chase and strike them out or induce weak contact. But ALL of our starters are doing it and it seems the other teams KNOW that's what they are doing. But this series laid clear that our starters HAVE to start going longer or we need to make a trade for better pitching. Bullpen still looks solid but they are overworked. That's a problem that will only get worse.
6, 5, and 5 against this team is a success but it's unfortunate they were unable to capitalize long outings while playing weaker teams. Hopefully the starters keep trending in the right direction
I don't disagree with that. Atlanta has arguably one of the best lineups in baseball and I think we did well.
Adley is awesome but he needs to be more consistent at the plate. Outside of his 3 big games this year (which obviously count and mattered), he is hitting under .200
Even a slumping Adley has an OBP of almost .400.
Yeah but we donāt win those 3 games if it wasnāt for him
Definitely true! I do not disagree.
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Bro go enjoy the win and stop kicking a fan base while they're down. No one wants your pity.
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Y'all are good and we love y'all, but no one wants to hear it atm.
Whatās the argument against turning a couple of our prospects into solid pitching before the trade deadline?
There is no argument itās something that should be done
The only argument against it could be don't spend the "good" prospects (i.e. Ortiz/Cowser/Westburg/Kjerstad) for a rental (pending FA) chasing this years' Wild Card. A player with 1 years' control (Burnes) might be a gray area.
Burnes would have a year and a half of control. Basically look at it as you would get him for 2 playoff runs. You would need to look at the Luis Castillo trade and Chris Sale trade. You are going to have to give up those types of prospects to get the Burnes of the world and even more to get the Alcantara's and Cease's of the world. And there should be no issue with it since we have the depth and aren't promoting to MLB ready guys to the mlb roster. If you aren't going to promote your young guys you need to trade them for established talent
Agreed. I think FO is waiting to see what teams are sellers and who's going to be available.
There isn't a real argument against it consider we have like 7 infield prospects and only 1 real opening.
I agree. I donāt see why we shouldnāt go make a pretty big splash tbh
I mean you cant make a splash now, no one is trading anyone. Come July yes definitely. The front office goal right now is to bridge the gap with good enough pitching so we are still contending in July
Thatās what I mean, near the deadline
The way our bullpen is getting taxed I'd try to make a move in a few weeks and not even wait for the deadline, if things haven't improved.
The Phillies are beating Boston and Tampa is battling with the Yankees.
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Braves fan specifically coming here to rave about Cano. I thought they used him correctly and got two flawless innings out of him. Dude is filthy and made all six batters he faced look lost. Itās good to see you guys carry the momentum forward from last season. Yāall have a solid squad and once TB inevitably regresses youāre going to be squarely in the mix.
Iāve been saying this since the 8th inning last night and everyone just downvotes
Yep thatās whatās really pissing me off we for sure shouldāve won the series and had a chance to sweep Atlanta I get that Atlantas great and we played very well but in my opinion this is easily the worst series loss this year
Why would you think we should have won the series? Atlanta is the current favorite to win it all. They pretty clearly outclass us right now. We did fine. They were just a little better.
Feels so good to watch competitive orioles baseball. Only had a few of these in my lifetime. This team is so close from being a legit contender
That was a great series. The fact that we can go toe to toe with arguably the best team in the NL is a strong statement even though we didnāt get it done. Those losses were so close though. Yes eventually we will need to win close games like that, but weāre getting there. I have no doubt.
Somebody on the beat needs to ask Hyde about IBBing the worst hitter on the team just for a favorable L/R match up
I would like to know why McKenna ran for Urias instead of pinch hitting for Stowers. Seems like platoon splits don't matter much when Stowers is hitting .100
It was for the double play potential, not the match up. Either way you were gonna have to get Harris out.
Wasnāt the majority of the sub clamoring to demote McKenna and recall Stowers just a couple weeks ago? Now we want Stowers gone? Thereās nothing left for Stowers to do at AAA, he needs a shot at doing it in the majors, and weāre not gonna give up on him after 21 ABs.
Its insane!
Every time Stowers swung his bat in the game today, it looked like he was swinging for the fences. He looked completely lost. Extra inning game, runner on second, his job is to advance the runner, not swing for the fences.
Stowers could get regular ABs in AAA which he is not getting here. Optioning someone is not giving up on someone
He is getting regular ABs now that heās back. He needs to see major league pitching to take the next step. When heās been in AAA this year his OPS is .996. Heās done learning there.
This is only the second complete game he's played this month. Only the second game he's gotten 5 ABs in
You can thank Brandon Hyde for that
He has multiple ABs in 5 of 7 games since he game back. But okay dude. I could say the sky is blue and youād dispute it. Go give Elias your resume and weāll have a WS title by the end of the year.
Here he gets to pinch hit and start maybe twice a week. In Norfolk he can get 5 PA a day. >Go give Elias your resume and weāll have a WS title by the end of the year. I don't know what this is supposed to mean.
Hyde haters -- I don't agree with a lot of what he's been doing either but these are the first meaningful games this guy has ever managed. He's a "prospect" just like the kids, really. Yeah Stowers should have bunted or McKenna should have hit for Stowers if they wanted to swing away. It's true. If he's smart he's going to learn from today. If he's still making bad calls in September we can talk about him sucking. The guy has literally only managed 2 months of relevant baseball. It's not panic time yet. Maybe panic a little about the starters not being able to reliably pitch 5 innings.
I'm going to argue that he gets more of those calls right then he gets wrong.
Well we'll see the same size of games that matter he's managed is still very very small
I know the Braves are currently the best in the NL, it still hurts that we were like 2-3 plays from a series win
At same time, feels pretty good we were 2-3 plays from a sweep. Hard to be too mad about this series. In a way, this kinda proved we were legit.
Shades of the 2012 ALDS
Really couldāve been a series sweep. However, the Braves just made a couple more plays than we did.
Overall, this team has performed amazingly so far this season, but this series just proved we just gotta get the pitching solidified if we want to hang with the best come September/October
The pitching staff gave up 4, 5, and 3 runs across the series - they were not the problem.
Agreed, but this series the amount of runners LOB hurt us.
Thank goodness the Braves fans are coming in peace.
Braves fans, turns out, are really chill.
I mean, if we had a recent WS under our belt I would be too. The issue will be our division is so tough that every series matters for us to make the playoffs. The braves can probably coast into the playoffs this year
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Bad timing
Great games, if I had to blame anyone it's gonna be Brandon Hyde for not going for the win on Saturday and instead bringing in Danny over Cano. Now we got an exhausted bullpen on a loss. And we gotta play the #1 team tomorrow with no rest. Should be interesting.
At this point of the year and with all things considered, Iām okay with taking 1 of 3 on the road from the Braves. Thereās a lot to work out still but the foundation is clearly here for greatness. I think Stowers needs to head back down, I would say Henderson too but thatās never going to happen and I have no issue with that because weāve been winning even with him in this massive slump.
Y'all giving up on stowers after barely a week of consistent playing time for the first time as a major leaguer lmfao.
If the organization has no problem sending Ortiz down after him coming up and instantly making an impact, I see no problem with them sending down Stowers who has come up for OāHearn and had much less of an impact than OāHearn did
I mean, they did that because Ortiz and Stowers are in different stages of their development *and* we donāt need Ortiz in the infield right now.
Our bullpen is fried
Well, someone had to lose. They played hard this series.
I went to 16 games last year, 9 games the year before and have been 3 games this year and am beginning to question why. Ownership doesnāt care about this team. Iām a broke college student that spends my only money on tickets to orioles games. I feel like Iām investing in the orioles more than any person up in the front office
Stay in school
Maybe go be a Yankees fan. Edit: I just looked at your post history and you seem like you hate this team, and maybe everybody in general. Sucks to be you, i guess.
We're 22-12, dude.
Well, Iād say the orioles proved themselves even in a losing series. Canāt win āem all. And thatās ok. Edit; for the clown who said the oās were āembarrassedā and deleted the comment before I could respond. The Braves are the best team in the national league and itās not particularly close this season. To play well, against this team, and take a chunk off of them does say quite a bit on where we are, and where we need to go. We lost two one run games, one in extras. And we won the opener pretty handily. Hardly embarrassing.
The first real team we've played all year and we're all content with losing the series as if we shouldn't have swept them.
Youāre going to have games like this. Shit happens. Every team has this. The oās have a lot to prove, and I believe they did prove what they needed to.
Lots of Hyde slander ā None of us know the dynamic between him and the front office when making lineups and deciding pitcher availability. On a lot of teams, managers donāt make those decisions entirely independently.
The last time the Orioles lost two games back to back was April 9th. Itās remarkable how the team is being run because thatās pretty impressive.
Yeah he knows more than me but itās really tough to lose this series when we shouldāve won it and couldāve swept them
Who decides who bunts and when to pinch hit and pinch run? Seemed really bizarre to pull Urias but let the worst hitter on the team hit. It's not like Urias can't score from second.
I would bet anything whether or not we bunt in extras is an organizational decision made before the season even started. The analytics donāt support playing for one run in extras as the away team, and most teams donāt bunt there. Using McKenna to run instead of PH I canāt speak to. Not sure what data they have on that particular pitcher and his pitch types and how it matches up against Stowers / McKenna.
Do the analytics factor in that the player hitting at that moment has a bat that resembles a pool noodle? I kid, mostly, but Frazier should be bunting because that's what role players do.
You do not give up outs in that situation by bunting when youāre the away team.
Bunting only gives away an out. What we did give away "outs"
Because Hays is a bad base runner lol Frazier had been hitting well in both games - you do not take the bat out of his hands in a tied game to give up an out *when you are the away team.*
I know what the numbers say. I also know when it's Frazier, Urias and Stowers/McKenna I'm trying to get 1 run and hoping my pitcher can hold. We aren't going to play as many games as the simulations are based off of. Sometimes you can defy them.
>I also know when itās Frazier The guy who drove in three runs yesterday and was on base twice thanks to a double and a walk? Ok. If you donāt feel confident in Frazier, Urias and Stowers/McKenna thatās a better argument *against* bunting and just handing the Braves an out. Because then in best case in your argument, you leave Hays stranded at 3B. Sometimes you lose games. That doesnāt mean you ignore baseball basics by bunting as an away team in a tied game.
What I don't trust about them is that letting them hit is going to produce more than one run which is the theory behind not sacrificing an out. I'd rather try to get my one run that doesn't require a hit to produce in that part of the lineup. It's different when Santander is up and belts a double to score the run and gives you a chance at more. Frazier hit the ball hard for him and it wasn't deep enough to get the guy to third. You're allowed to make decisions based on your personnel.
It's fine if you don't want to bunt, but in that case the substitution should have been McKenna for Stowers. Platoon splits don't matter when one of the two players is literally hitting .100
Thereās more to PH decisions than L/R platoons. Unfortunately I donāt think weāll get to know Hydeās reasoning because beat writers donāt ask those kinds of questions. It may be as simple as wanting Stowers to get that experience early in the season.
Beat writers do ask questions like that all the times in other markets. And sometimes in our market too.
I think watching "Welcome to Wrexham" has been helpful for me in getting a sense of what it's like to run a team day-to-day. It's easy for fans to be like "why didn't you put out X, or do Y strategy, or pull out Z earlier?" You don't know the players as people, but just as X's and O's on a strategy board, or as numbers in an excel sheet. The reality is that the players are people. They have good days and bad days. We want them to be professionals, and we want them to win, but sometimes a dude wakes up with a headache and isn't performing super well, or a guy is exuding a lot of confidence and he's coming back to the dugout ready to chomp at his next AB despite getting out, and so you let him get a few more chances. The reality is that Hyde is making these decisions and he forgets far more about the team's state than just about anybody in the GDT actually knows about the Orioles team this year.
In which case no one should ever comment anything other than "Good game, great win" and "Good game, we'll get 'em next time"
I mean, if you want to give your opinions on how the game should be managed that's fine, but when people are calling for Hyde to be fired because he lost 2 straight 1-run games, which are statistically toss-ups (literally in the long run, 1-run games are as close to 50/50 as you can get in baseball), that's when I think it's a bit absurd. And honestly, some of y'all would be much better served mentally if you wrote "good game, we'll get 'em next time" than writing up a dissertation of every strategic mistake Hyde made during a full 9 innings of baseball (or 12 in this case) and moving on with your life because some people in this sub and on the GDT act way too high and mighty as fans when it comes to how much they actually know about the game of baseball and how a 162-game season needs to be managed.
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Well I just donāt know why each Oriole doesnāt just play perfect every single moment of every single game. Seems like a simple solution to me.
How dare them!!! PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES MUST BE PERFECT 24/7!
Robo umps? How about robo players, am I right?
Okay, after we made the Royals look like WS contenders, we could have done a lot worse this series. The Rays are due for a step back. I wouldn't be surprised if we gave it to them. I like Hyde's aggressive nature. He has confidence in his guys and our team has confidence in each other. Let's go O's.
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Congrats on the series win. Good baseball was played. I don't know if the Orioles are "there" but we have reason to be hopeful. Enjoy the day.
Our bull pen is gonna cooked by June bc we donāt have a pitcher that can go 6+ innings consistently
The only reason Wells didnt get 6 today was this shit umpire. Two OBVIOUS and indisputable strikeouts that weren't called and extended the pitch count by at least 12 pitches.
Yeah Wells is awesome. But our pitchers need to get a little deeper.
That is a salient and appropriate analysis
Tyler wells is not a ace we need real ace if we wanna make some noise
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Counterpoint, we'll be getting Tate and Givens back at some point so that should shore things up a bit.
True but still need a true ace that can go 6+ inning if we wanna make the playoffs
No doubt the starting pitching is the weak link for this team but they could definitely *make* the playoffs without a "true ace," they came within a few wins of doing it last year. How far they'd get in the playoffs, who knows. But they could definitely make it. Also never forget the 2014 Tigers had an absolutely stacked rotation and our O's smoked them in the Division Series.
Pitching was great all series. Team ERA of about 3.20. Hitting was great for the first 15 innings. They got two more big hits than we did this weekend. If we win today, the Braves are pointing at all the same things ā lack of hits with RISP and getting thrown out at 3rd in extras. At least when we lose a series it doesnāt have any head-to-head ramifications for playoff seeding.
We're fucking sexy, I don't care about the loss. We're going to destroy the Flappies and return to the winning streak. Let's go Os.
Despite the outcomes sucking ass, this was a fucking awesome series. Full of drama and tension and showing how much of a beast Anthony Santander can be. But manā¦Iām concerned about Felix
Same. I donāt get why he canāt keep his command consistently.
Ggs orioles. Iām excited as fuck to see yāallās rise these past couple years. Hope yāall become a force in the AL and we meet again soon in October
Iām just baffled at the Hyde hate. Yes I donāt agree with every decision he made/makesā¦.. but for the love of everything look at the RISP numbers todayā¦.. Ben McDonald kept harping back to it all game long, and as he should. Brandon Hyde didnāt lose this game. Quit bitching.
Just too many LOB the last two games. I don't think they'll make a habit of it.
Iām looking at Dillon Tateās numbers in his rehab assignment and yeesh, he has a long way to go before heās ready to come back and thatās assuming his forearm injury isnāt anything more serious. Thatās Perezās lone saving grace right there. Heāll get a few more weeks to show us something before we decide whether or not to cut the cord with him for good.
Tate is probably going to end up with TJ
This series showed me that we are good not great team
Lol what even is this take? By run differential, we stomped maybe the best team in baseball on the road. We are two pitches away from a sweep.
We just went 12 innings with a great team. This couldve easily been a sweep series either way. Are we great? Maybe not. But we are better than good. So.. a VERY good team
A very good team would of won Saturday and today
Lol yes only very good teams go 162-0
You are telling me a very good team would win 2 coin tosses in a row (aka 1 run games)? I'm sorry it's hard to take this opinion seriously.
The people who are like āwe played hard this seriesā āwe competed hardā āwish we wouldāve won the seriesā are just typing for upvotes and totally ignoring the problem. Brandon hyde has to go. 2 games in a row he has lost for us. I agree. We pitched well. We ācompetedā like any team with this talent would do. But when the manager keeps baker in after struggling big time, doesnāt use bautista or cano yesterday in a big spot, doesnāt bunt ONCE in extras today, and the thousands of other things heās done we will continue to have games like this slip right through our fingers
Sometimes I read a comment that makes it very obvious that the writer is an Orioles fan and not much of a baseball fan. Thereās nothing wrong with that inherently, but it doesnāt give you a very clear idea of whatās needed to successfully manage a bullpen series to series, the actual value of a single win over a National League team in early May, the effects of cumulative wear on a bullpen pressed into hard use through a 162 game season, or how 29 other major league bullpens are managed every day and have been for years. If you could manage the bullpen, Iām sure youād go all in every single night. But that doesnāt make it the right decision. Nor does your lability make Hyde a bad manager.
Wow Brandon Hyde really should have scored with RISP and shouldnāt have thrown that wild pitch!
Hyde was a place holder manager but the Orioles shocked everyone last year so now he's the manager for the forseeable future and we won't know for a while if that's bad or not.
Breaking newsā¦ Itās bad.
We'll see. He hasn't managed a lot of games that have mattered yet.