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**Am I missing something here?**
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**We must imagine Prometheus happy.**
The last line in Camus' myth of Sisyphus (also punished by the gods) that is quoted over and over - without recourse to the essay... by 99.99% of posters on r/absurdism - who have never read the essay!!
**"The struggle
itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man’s heart. One must
imagine Sisyphus happy."**
The comments here re 'happy' they are joking right, they don't see this? Please tell me they are.
They MUST know this most famous cliché?
Prometheus is a Titan from Greek mythology who stole fire to help humanity, and was violently punished for this by Zeus.
The figure of Prometheus, and his story, has served as inspiration for artists and philosophers for centuries.
For Goethe, Prometheus was a champion of mankind who, in his defiance of Zeus, exemplified mankind's growing to maturity as we reach Enlightenment and mankind starts to defy the Christian God just like Prometheus did Zeus.
For Lord Byron, Prometheus was the exemplar of a person who finds something in life worth dying for. For his transgression and theft of the fire, he was chained to a rock for all eternity as a vulture gnaws at his liver daily. Yet Prometheus undergoes his punishment with stoicism, and knows that ultimately, despite his suffering and pain, he had given his life a purpose beyond himself: alleviating the suffering of others by granting mankind knowledge. Byron's message is that we should all find something that makes us want to bear the vulture and the chain.
Finally, Nietzsche saw in the Prometheus myth the origin story of Western civilization, contrasted with the Biblical origin story of Adam and Eve. Prometheus brings knowledge to mankind through fire, just as Adam and Eve brought knowledge through the fruit. But this knowledge, in both stories, comes at a cost. For Adam and Eve, it meant banishment from paradise and original sin for mankind. For Prometheus, it meant the vulture, and the knowledge of the suffering of the world for mankind.
Thus Prometheus continues to speak to the imagination of many different artists and eras who each find in his story another lesson we inherit, but ultimately the overarching lesson is this: the price for our knowledge as human beings, is that we become aware of the suffering of the world. And it's up to us to learn how to deal with that.
**Proto-Promethei**
A pure, recently broken brain, it now sees the fabric of the ante-worlds,
and universes anti-.
Trembling hairy hands, afraid of why, how, and, what, they created,
throw it, into the dark forest.
He retreats, fearful of everything. But hay, weave all been there.
What does "must" mean in this context?
If I did a good thing and was punished for it, I'd be pissed.
"Must" I believe Prometheus happy to justify my own unhappiness?
One cannot imagine ANYTHING for someone else, that's just absurd.
Only the individual themselves can tell you if it's worth it or not.
There is no way to judge another life's worth from the outside, it's impossible, subjectively or objectively.
Sure? Again, only the individual can tell you if they are happy or suffering, because experience is subjective.
You can stab two different persons and they will feel the pain differently.
This completely misses the point by miles. The sentence 'one must imagine Prometheus happy." Is just a wise-sounding way of saying that there is more to Prometheus than appears on the surface, and that if you were in a similar situation that you should find a way to appreciate it.
Some situations cannot be appreciated at all, because individuals feel things differently, friendo.
In the end, you STILL have to ask them, can't judge with any accuracy from the outside.
huh? Subjectivity of experience is one of the MOST important part of philosophy, debated and studied for centuries.
What are you talking about?
Why do you sub if you don't even want to read about fundamental philosophical arguments?
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**Am I missing something here?** .. .. **We must imagine Prometheus happy.** The last line in Camus' myth of Sisyphus (also punished by the gods) that is quoted over and over - without recourse to the essay... by 99.99% of posters on r/absurdism - who have never read the essay!! **"The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man’s heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy."** The comments here re 'happy' they are joking right, they don't see this? Please tell me they are. They MUST know this most famous cliché?
To be fair, the essay could use a rewrite to clean it up.
'clean it up' "There remains a little humor in that position. This suicide kills himself because, on the metaphysical plane, he is vexed."
He's happy only if the crime of bringing fire to humans was worth it. I like to believe it was
Prometheus is a Titan from Greek mythology who stole fire to help humanity, and was violently punished for this by Zeus. The figure of Prometheus, and his story, has served as inspiration for artists and philosophers for centuries. For Goethe, Prometheus was a champion of mankind who, in his defiance of Zeus, exemplified mankind's growing to maturity as we reach Enlightenment and mankind starts to defy the Christian God just like Prometheus did Zeus. For Lord Byron, Prometheus was the exemplar of a person who finds something in life worth dying for. For his transgression and theft of the fire, he was chained to a rock for all eternity as a vulture gnaws at his liver daily. Yet Prometheus undergoes his punishment with stoicism, and knows that ultimately, despite his suffering and pain, he had given his life a purpose beyond himself: alleviating the suffering of others by granting mankind knowledge. Byron's message is that we should all find something that makes us want to bear the vulture and the chain. Finally, Nietzsche saw in the Prometheus myth the origin story of Western civilization, contrasted with the Biblical origin story of Adam and Eve. Prometheus brings knowledge to mankind through fire, just as Adam and Eve brought knowledge through the fruit. But this knowledge, in both stories, comes at a cost. For Adam and Eve, it meant banishment from paradise and original sin for mankind. For Prometheus, it meant the vulture, and the knowledge of the suffering of the world for mankind. Thus Prometheus continues to speak to the imagination of many different artists and eras who each find in his story another lesson we inherit, but ultimately the overarching lesson is this: the price for our knowledge as human beings, is that we become aware of the suffering of the world. And it's up to us to learn how to deal with that.
**Proto-Promethei** A pure, recently broken brain, it now sees the fabric of the ante-worlds, and universes anti-. Trembling hairy hands, afraid of why, how, and, what, they created, throw it, into the dark forest. He retreats, fearful of everything. But hay, weave all been there.
What does "must" mean in this context? If I did a good thing and was punished for it, I'd be pissed. "Must" I believe Prometheus happy to justify my own unhappiness?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZbfNtDCHdM
One cannot imagine ANYTHING for someone else, that's just absurd. Only the individual themselves can tell you if it's worth it or not. There is no way to judge another life's worth from the outside, it's impossible, subjectively or objectively.
Could'nt we say that if it sounds absurd to imagine him to be happy its just as absurd to imagine him suffering?
Sure? Again, only the individual can tell you if they are happy or suffering, because experience is subjective. You can stab two different persons and they will feel the pain differently.
You can imagine putting yourself in someone else's shoes and how you would react in that situation, though, right?
Sure, but are you THAT person, 100%? If not, then you will never be accurate.
There is this magical concept called empathy and this magical field called philosophy, I highly recommend both
Can you empathize and philosophize so much that you literally become that person? What magic allow you to swap brain and body with another person?
This completely misses the point by miles. The sentence 'one must imagine Prometheus happy." Is just a wise-sounding way of saying that there is more to Prometheus than appears on the surface, and that if you were in a similar situation that you should find a way to appreciate it.
Some situations cannot be appreciated at all, because individuals feel things differently, friendo. In the end, you STILL have to ask them, can't judge with any accuracy from the outside.
Why do you sub to r/philosophy if this is how you comment on things
huh? Subjectivity of experience is one of the MOST important part of philosophy, debated and studied for centuries. What are you talking about? Why do you sub if you don't even want to read about fundamental philosophical arguments?
You STILL don't understand.
Likewise.