Can’t speak directly to Hopkins but that is the general strategy in most high profile academic centers in the northeast. It’s an “honor” to work here type of stuff.
For physicians and PhD/DMSc’s that prestige matters. For APP’s who aren’t trying to publish, that’s all a hustle.
Academia and its journals are a racket.
No. They operate in my market. Can be good to work at, reputation for care in my city is so-so.
"Prestige" is name-recognition for non-medical people, eg Hopkins, Yale, Stanford, Mayo.
Kaisers a fine well established company but they don’t have that “wow they’re flying in miss von boregard 3000 miles to get treatment from the one surgeon in the world who can do this procedure” type of mysticism that places like Mayo have. And those places definitely act like we should be volunteering to work there just for the opportunity to breath the air in the cafeteria lol.
Kaiser is just prestigious on the west coast. Mid-Atlantic it’s no so much. Since they don’t have their own hospitals there, they are kind of looked down on as a second or third tier system, rightly or wrongly. Pay for APPs tends to be pretty decent in mid-Atlantic region.
Hopkins is known for low pay, excellent benefits. Culture I’m sure varies between departments but it’s hard to deny that there is some level of arrogance. I’ve never worked as a PA, just shadowed and familiar with the area.
it depends on if you’re a hospital vs university employee in terms of benefits. They also just switched health insurance for university employees and the new insurance isnt covering cancer treatments and other medical necessities. A lot of residents are upset and suffering because of this. BUT on the other hand the pto is better 🤷🏾♀️
Oh wow. That’s terrible! Thanks for letting me know also, I don’t want to spread misinformation so super helpful to know. What’s your take on the culture?
Personally, very nurse protective but not provider protective(when it comes to flipping rooms, reporting, etc). But it also depends on your department/ which location you’re at
Not sure about the PAs, but the residency culture is…weird. Bizarrely self-reverent, to the point of being sort of cult-like. Obviously those are two very different groups/environments, but I have to imagine that a similar tone pervades elsewhere.
I’ve worked at Hopkins in surgery for just over 8 years now. and hopefully I can help provide some insight! Soooo bad news first— In regard to salary—-you’re not going to get 150k. However, I don’t know the city you’re coming from and if the cost of living is higher than here. Speaking to the culture I’d say overall positive/ improved since when I started. The number of surgical APPs has more than doubled in the last 10 years, and we’re getting more seats at the tables where decisions are being made at an institutional level. The culture within each section of surgery is hard to speak to. Each is like a microcosm with its own culture and utilization of APPs. I personally love my group and ( almost) all of the attendings. The attending I work with primarily is absolutely wonderful. She’s a genuinely good person who wants me as a part of the team and trusts my input and experience w/ the patient population. Now are there still the stereotypical Hopkins surgeons around? The ones with preening self- regard that have fully disappeared up their own assholes? Absolutely. But I think they’re in the minority. DM if you want to talk more or want to talk more about the specific section of surgery you’ve applied to or have any other questions. Hopefully this has been helpful!
Pay was low and, in my department, disrespect was the name of the game as far as culture goes. It was the most toxic work environment I've ever worked in. Many physicans also trained there and were indoctrinated by the "hidden curriculum." Many of them outright loath PAs, for no real reason. Sadly, some PAs were just as toxic. I like to think there is camaraderie among us, but Hopkins destroyed that notion.
I would avoid Hopkins if you can.
Interestingly, I interviewed for a CT surgery job in the Midwest and one of the PAs started out in CT surgery at Johns Hopkins and worked there for a few years until relatively recently. He was polite but his basic message was that their CT surgery department did not have a good work culture/support system and he became the most senior APP with 5> years experience due to high turnover. He worked in the OR but I’m not sure if he was on the floor too.
As someone above mentioned, in 2016 got offered 69K for a hospitalist position. I’m sure things have changed but generally non competitive salary wise. You can get good experience anywhere and make a lot more.
I got 125k plus sign on bonus as a new grad in the NCCU, started last year. Was hired for the downtown and bayview campus, I haven't picked up downtown since orientation, there are a lot of cooks in the kitchen there which made it challenging to keep my sanity.
Academic centers, especially ones with big name, are not typically the best places to get higher compensation. I have some friends that were part of the Hopkins system and it sounds just like all the other big names in terms of reputation.
Low pay in exchange for prestige. You may also want to visit the place and really drive around before committing to anything. Baltimore has some very scary neighborhoods. Hopkins is trying to clean up the area near the hospital, but you only have to walk several blocks to see boarded up row homes and cop cars. Google Baltimore crime map and zero in on the hospital and you’ll see just how many violent crimes are within a few miles of the hospital.
More prestige = lower pay (Usually)
Can’t speak directly to Hopkins but that is the general strategy in most high profile academic centers in the northeast. It’s an “honor” to work here type of stuff.
Agreed. Accepted a job at a ‘prestigious’ hospital. Would not negotiate. Got a pay cut.
For physicians and PhD/DMSc’s that prestige matters. For APP’s who aren’t trying to publish, that’s all a hustle. Academia and its journals are a racket.
Makes sense- I put desired salary in the 170's. I guess we'll see if I am even contacted
Duke is like this. Swell benefits but salary slightly lower than average
Isn’t Kaiser considered prestigious? They have a union with senior PAs making 200k
Union being the operative word.
No. They operate in my market. Can be good to work at, reputation for care in my city is so-so. "Prestige" is name-recognition for non-medical people, eg Hopkins, Yale, Stanford, Mayo.
Kaisers a fine well established company but they don’t have that “wow they’re flying in miss von boregard 3000 miles to get treatment from the one surgeon in the world who can do this procedure” type of mysticism that places like Mayo have. And those places definitely act like we should be volunteering to work there just for the opportunity to breath the air in the cafeteria lol.
Kaiser is just prestigious on the west coast. Mid-Atlantic it’s no so much. Since they don’t have their own hospitals there, they are kind of looked down on as a second or third tier system, rightly or wrongly. Pay for APPs tends to be pretty decent in mid-Atlantic region.
Hopkins is known for low pay, excellent benefits. Culture I’m sure varies between departments but it’s hard to deny that there is some level of arrogance. I’ve never worked as a PA, just shadowed and familiar with the area.
it depends on if you’re a hospital vs university employee in terms of benefits. They also just switched health insurance for university employees and the new insurance isnt covering cancer treatments and other medical necessities. A lot of residents are upset and suffering because of this. BUT on the other hand the pto is better 🤷🏾♀️
Oh wow. That’s terrible! Thanks for letting me know also, I don’t want to spread misinformation so super helpful to know. What’s your take on the culture?
I was going to say, my benefits are standard. Good, but nothing amazing
Personally, very nurse protective but not provider protective(when it comes to flipping rooms, reporting, etc). But it also depends on your department/ which location you’re at
Not sure about the PAs, but the residency culture is…weird. Bizarrely self-reverent, to the point of being sort of cult-like. Obviously those are two very different groups/environments, but I have to imagine that a similar tone pervades elsewhere.
^^^^ emphasis on this.
About 6 years ago I got an offer to work in their ED for about $35/hr. I hope they have improved since then.
I’ve worked at Hopkins in surgery for just over 8 years now. and hopefully I can help provide some insight! Soooo bad news first— In regard to salary—-you’re not going to get 150k. However, I don’t know the city you’re coming from and if the cost of living is higher than here. Speaking to the culture I’d say overall positive/ improved since when I started. The number of surgical APPs has more than doubled in the last 10 years, and we’re getting more seats at the tables where decisions are being made at an institutional level. The culture within each section of surgery is hard to speak to. Each is like a microcosm with its own culture and utilization of APPs. I personally love my group and ( almost) all of the attendings. The attending I work with primarily is absolutely wonderful. She’s a genuinely good person who wants me as a part of the team and trusts my input and experience w/ the patient population. Now are there still the stereotypical Hopkins surgeons around? The ones with preening self- regard that have fully disappeared up their own assholes? Absolutely. But I think they’re in the minority. DM if you want to talk more or want to talk more about the specific section of surgery you’ve applied to or have any other questions. Hopefully this has been helpful!
I had a job offer from Hopkins in rheumatology and yes it was 10 k lower than any other offer I got as a new grad. This was 10 years ago
Hopkins overall is less pay, but can’t speak for specifically PAs. Best of luck!
Pay was low and, in my department, disrespect was the name of the game as far as culture goes. It was the most toxic work environment I've ever worked in. Many physicans also trained there and were indoctrinated by the "hidden curriculum." Many of them outright loath PAs, for no real reason. Sadly, some PAs were just as toxic. I like to think there is camaraderie among us, but Hopkins destroyed that notion. I would avoid Hopkins if you can.
Ooh were you ED?
Nope. I have a good friend in the ED, though. It's pretty bad.
Sent you a DM.
Interestingly, I interviewed for a CT surgery job in the Midwest and one of the PAs started out in CT surgery at Johns Hopkins and worked there for a few years until relatively recently. He was polite but his basic message was that their CT surgery department did not have a good work culture/support system and he became the most senior APP with 5> years experience due to high turnover. He worked in the OR but I’m not sure if he was on the floor too.
They probably would not pay higher than that
As someone above mentioned, in 2016 got offered 69K for a hospitalist position. I’m sure things have changed but generally non competitive salary wise. You can get good experience anywhere and make a lot more.
I got 125k plus sign on bonus as a new grad in the NCCU, started last year. Was hired for the downtown and bayview campus, I haven't picked up downtown since orientation, there are a lot of cooks in the kitchen there which made it challenging to keep my sanity.
Academic centers, especially ones with big name, are not typically the best places to get higher compensation. I have some friends that were part of the Hopkins system and it sounds just like all the other big names in terms of reputation.
Low pay in exchange for prestige. You may also want to visit the place and really drive around before committing to anything. Baltimore has some very scary neighborhoods. Hopkins is trying to clean up the area near the hospital, but you only have to walk several blocks to see boarded up row homes and cop cars. Google Baltimore crime map and zero in on the hospital and you’ll see just how many violent crimes are within a few miles of the hospital.