definitely gonna be hotter. then, again and again every year until we all die
or maybe, just maybe, we will stop letting giant corporations pump toxins into the atmosphere. we will probably all die though
>or maybe, just maybe, we will stop letting giant corporations pump toxins into the atmosphere
Chevron was just overturned sooooo I don't have a lot of hope.
No that was true ten years ago now there's a Bernoulli effect of "people are there so people go there"
It's actually one of the least affordable places because as always wages lag behind housing cost increases
Sure about that? Phoenix is a massive metro, one of the largest in the country. And suburbs, apt complexes are going up every day. People aparrently want to move to this hellscape. Yeah those 8-9 months are nice but for me those 3 months of hell temps are not fun. And i miss the rain. Real rain.
My uncle lived there for a few years; he said "I never thought I'd say this, but I got tired of sunny days and blue skies; when it rains, you get a few drops on your windshield and then it's over".
Yes, that’s where i’m at. I’m ready to live in the PNW at this point. Or where there’s thunderstorms again, but not florida
The blue skies are *oppressive* here.
There's a terminal at PHX separated from the others. Its sole purpose is basically to force those on layovers to step outside shortly. This is an example of cruel and unusual punishment.
I lived in the Middle East for years with temps like this. I’ve never seen anything melt whether blinds or car dashboards or whatever.
Are these from blinds from Temu?
117 is a normal summer day here in phoenix and i have never ever seen blinds melt like this before nor have i had anyone tell me about theirs melting either
I mean, it's named after a mythological bird that is reborn after it combusts in a ball of fire. I'm not sure the chamber of commerce thought that one through, especially how to emulate the rebirth part.
> Both are available in the US
Florida here. Haven't been able to find aluminum blinds in a while, my choices are wood and plastic, and the wood stuff is priced *very* bougie.
Now imagine the extra heat from the roads and sidewalks, most completely unshaded. Trying to get anywhere without a car can actually be deadly from the heat. It's 8:15pm and 111F (43.9C), it will not go below 90F (32.2C) tonight. People are getting burn injuries like crazy right now. You literally can't touch the ground, some door handles, gates without hurting yourself.
Had that a couple summers ago where I live (North Africa), usually around 100-110 (converted for your convenience) in August, hit 120(49C) a couple days.
Went out when I saw 120 out of curiosity. I'm more or less used to it so I went on walk, it's very dry so in the shade it feels survivable, but yeah can't stay out long, shit looked like a Mexico Breaking Bad episode, it felt exactly like how it feels when you open the oven and the heat hits your face.
Everybody knows the "it's the humidity that gets ya", but to me 100C in a humid place is just worse. Only thing that's fucked about the 120, is that I lived there 20 years and it never hit those temps, but it's becoming routine every summer. We hit 122 last year. Records every year. Scary shit.
Being warned by weather service, news, gossip, and space aliens who like to watch us suffer. But we long-time Arizonans muddle on through. I'm making roman shades out of fabric because I can't afford the wood or heavy duty ones right now.
It won’t look pretty, but if you can get sunshades that are meant for cars, cut them to size and put them in your windows. They’ll keep the heat out and won’t melt!
Copy & paste my comment from yesterday to save you the trouble...
*Blinds are treated with carcinogens. Some PVC mini-blinds are stabilized with lead, which can then be released into household dust. Plastic vinyl window shades off-gas chemicals. Wouldn't want to be breathing the fumes from all that melted plastic or whatever it's made of...*
“Above him, in the house that owns the pool, a light has come on, and children are looking down at him through their bedroom windows, all warm and fuzzy in their Li'l Crips and Ninja Raft Warrior pajamas, which can either be flameproof or noncarcinogenic but not both at the same time.”
Neal Stephenson *Snow Crash*
I visited Phoenix a few years ago for the first time. We went to this outdoor mall place where you could walk around and it had benches and shade trees every dozen yards or so. I didn't notice it until we sat down, but the grass was all fake. It was so bizarre to me at the time.
Logically, I know why that's needed in places like Arizona. But as a midwesterner, that was some of the weirdest shit to see. I don't take my grassy world for granted anymore.
As a west coaster, the first time I traveled to the east coast I was blown away by how green everything was. Talking to the locals, I was like, dude, there's giant green grass next to your freeways! And they were like, "what's next to your freeways?" Dead plants and gravel. Hella dirt, that's what. "If the plants are dead, why don't they tear it out and put something else there?" Because it's green for 2 weeks a year and it makes us feel good.
Seriously though, we have trees all over the place, but the general green-ness cannot be understated. It was wild.
And then I went to the Midwest for the first time and was even more blown away. Can I get, *one* goddamn palm tree to make me feel safe? And what's up with the water towers every quarter mile?
I spent a summer in Tucson for work, and got to be friends with one of the desk clerks. I asked her for suggestions on sights to see to/from the Grand Canyon, and she told me I absolutely needed to see a particular park.
I did stop there, and it was a forested river valley. It was nice, but it didn’t seem that special to me. It took me a few minutes to realize that “forested river valley” ain’t exactly an everyday sight for someone that lived her whole life in Arizona.
Definitely gives me perspective. My back yard is a protected pineland forest, but I'd kill sometimes for a more accommodating climate to grow cacti and succulents outside.
I guess the grass is always greener, or more sandy. Idk
My succulent garden melted this week so… it’s too hot for even the cacti here unfortunately. I had to bring *my cactus* inside to get it out of the sun.
Make sure to say that everywhere, so people stop moving here. Insane amounts of pollen.
Had a boss from our Idaho team Come out this way and he couldn't figure out why every time he did, he got insanely sick. Until I brought up allergies. He stopped coming around as much after that.
I grew up in the pnw, moved to AZ fifteen years ago, recently went back to visit for the first time in years. The freeways felt like a post apocalyptic movie where nature's reclaimed everything, like Shannara Chronicles lol
I guess I got more used to decorative rocks and tiny dead shrubs on my freeways than I realized
>And what's up with the water towers every quarter mile?
Because its pretty flat there. There's no natural topology to use to pressurize the water pipes. The most populous areas of CA tend to be hilly, so water tanks tend.to be built at ground level on a hilltop
I am from the flatest part of the region with the flatest topography in the state (outside of the eastern desert regions). The population is aprox 150k and we have 2 water towers. When I was in the Chicago burbs my friend and I started calling out water towers like it was a game of slug bug. They were everywhere. Not sure if "flatness" is the only factor but I would love to learn more.
I'm from Tennessee and had an inverse experience visiting Denver for the first time. I was there for less than 48 hours and while the "dry heat" (this was in early-mid summer) was nice, I was ready to go home because everything was so fucking *brown*.
I have a similar story, but the kinda opposite. We had family visiting from the Midwest for the first time in California. We live close to large mountains. They had an epic view of the mountains at a nearby hotel. They were blown away that it was our daily view. I don't take my mountainous world for granted, either!
Grew up in the PNW, living halfway up the hills on one side of a river valley, able to see across to the other side, and downriver to where it fed into the Columbia and the flat river plain. That's just how it is.
Then I go to Florida and have mild agoraphobia the entire time because its just...sky. No hills, ridges, or mountains in the distance. Not even particularly tall trees. Just...wide open sky.
Tinfoil the fucking windows at that point.
Normally there's the concern that the neighbors might think you're tweakers, but this is Arizona, so realistically the neighbors *are* tweakers.
I don’t understand why those don’t get more love.
They create a physical barrier and when the barrier heats up it’s outside so the heat that radiates off them still stays outside
You can if you buy them.
You buy some, someone else on the street will see they're a thing and maybe inquire or buy some and then eventually, if they're proven to be useful, they'll get more popular.
Home Depot and Lowe’s sell DIY home window tint kits that work pretty well too. Takes a bit of practice to install well, but it’s worth it IMO. Every bit helps
If you have double or triple pane windows they will crack them in this heat (most people do). Be informed before you install random products and void your windows warrenty. At the very least if you use these with double or triple pane glass install them on the exterior of the window.
The retractable curtain blinds that are made out of what looks like projector screen material is what I use. I don't live in arizona, but it feels like less heat comes in with them down. I think they are canvas with an aluminum foil layer inside.
Edit: Retractable Thermal Insulated Blackout Roller Shades <--The magic keywords
Blackout curtains are awesome, I put them on the windows that get blasted by the afternoon sun and it helps so much. Actually made a noticeable difference in my power bill 'cause the AC doesn't have to work as hard.
I live in Canada and wouldn’t last a day in that kind of climate. Imagine if you didn’t have air conditioning, I hope no one had to work outside in Arizona today.
It's regularly over 110 most days in Phoenix summers & people work outside, inside, in no AC all the time. When you live in it you learn to deal with it. One summer I worked at Pizza Hut & the AC went out and they stayed open despite it being nearly 120 deg inside, we all took frequent breaks in the walk-in freezer & the AC was fixed the next day, but I still had to stand in the hot sun in black polyester pants delivering pizzas all day, like every other day I worked. It sucks but that's life.
Edit:
Not replying to any more pedantic stupid responses of PeOpLe DiE iN HeAt... yeah, that's not at all what I'm fucking saying. I'm saying that people adjust when they move to a new climate. People die every where every day, climate or otherwise related. That's not my fucking point. Good lord. Go touch grass.
That’s not life in Canada. We are seeing a real increase in temperatures as the whole world has but if the temperature gets really hot (35 -40c) we have cooling centres for people who don’t have heat pumps and our communities really step up to help the elderly and disabled. We are a small population so we are able to do this. 110f would be around 45c, we would just drop dead 😵
Phoenix has much, much lower humidity than the hot areas of Canada. The dry-bulb temperature isn't what matters, it's the wet-bulb temperature (the temperature that evaporation can cool down the thermometer to). Sweat cools by evaporation, so looking at a [psychrometric](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychrometrics) chart 110°F with 10% relative humidity is about 68°F wet-bulb, while 95°F (35°C) with 50% relative humidity is about 79°F wet-bulb (at 1atm pressure). So a quite reasonable humidity value for a hot day in Canada can actually feel hotter than a hotter absolute temperature day in Phoenix.
Wet-bulb temperature also matters for heat exhaustion & heat stroke. Once it's above about 95°F (35°C) humans can't cool down by sweating any more, and die in a few hours if they can't get out of the heat. 120°F at 50% relative humidity would exceed this, we're unfortunately likely to start seeing such events in some equatorial areas soon.
Another way to put it, if you can't sweat at 130F you are being cooked at the same temperature that a rare steak should be. A way to cook a steak is to submerge it in 130F water, or you can do it in a special oven with steam at 130F. If you can't sweat to cool, you cook.
this is true, humidity makes a major difference.
Southern Ontario heat is far more unbearable then any city in all of arizona at its worst times. you cant even breathe properly in high humidity heat.
That’s insane. I worked at Taco Bell for one summer and the AC broke. It was 116 in Oregon and they closed the store after the temp inside got to 95 degrees.
I didn't have the heart to explain to her how her theory was biblically inaccurate. Hell is just the absence of God's love. It's much more likely to be extremely cold rather than extremely hot.
Of course you would have to be a moron to believe in any of that shit.
And it’s America’s 5th largest city. Absolutely bananas. Even disregarding the heat, why are we building cities that big where there isn’t water to do so?
The name "Phoenix" literally refers to rising out of the ruins of Hohokam irrigation canals, a civilization that *likely collapsed due to climate changes*
There could not be a more ironic name for the city
13 years ago it was, rented a monthly furnished apartment for $750 downtown. Now that half of California has joined the usual Midwestern migrants, not so much. Said monthly is now $2100 as of the last time I checked.
I love that by the time these climate change deniers finally come around, it'll be 200F in the shade and we'll all be hopelessly fucked anyway.
Oh well!
A lot of it has to do with the sheer amount of concrete and such that holds the heat in. Mix that with the mountain ranges we have to the south that stop or divert a lot of our rain clouds, it’s a bad combo.
Not just live there, pretty sure it’s one of the fastest growing regions in the US. But I agree, I don’t get how people can handle that much heat. Wisconsinite here😅
One of my friends (who is originally from Canada, oddly enough) moved from Green Bay to Phoenix, and tried to convince me to go as well. I told him I would either not survive summer down there, or I just wouldn't leave the house six months out of the year.
The reason why is because you don't get snow like in the east, earthquakes like in california, or the unbearable humidity like Florida.
For nine months of the year, the weather is great and you can wear shorts all year round if you want, even midnight in February. During the three months of summer where its hell on earth, you don't go out during the daytime and enjoy the nightlife, or you take trips further north where its colder.
I personally dislike AZ, but mainly because the population growth is turning AZ into the lovechild of Texas and California (cheaper than CA, less "texas" than TX)
Hey man, I'm in SoCal and I felt an earthquake a couple months ago, atleast I think it was an earthquake, might have been my Chipotle burrito rumbling in my stomach though.
You could try **Bermuda Shutters** on the outside !
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Genuine question - why do places in America that reach these temperatures *not* have some kind of exterior shutter installed? Lots of homes in Southern Europe have these sort of shutters, or the electric kind, specifically to block the peak of the sun out of homes.
We do. We put up these hilariously ridiculous “shutters” that do absolutely nothing and are in fact just stationary panels that are stuck on the exterior wall near windows. Completely, 100% useless aside from looking goofy. Guess what they are most often made out of in modern times? LMAO, *more fucking plastic.* It’s such a ridiculously silly thing, from top to bottom, that it stands out even against all the other absurdities of suburbia.
That was my first idea as well. If it's 40+°C outside, the first thing to do is keep the windows covered from the outside so less heat gets in. It's like houses in the US are built in desert areas with no one taking heat into account?
Soon after we moved into our house the AC unit blew. After a new unit and new ductwork, it all works fine. Not sure it could cool down a house that's 100+ inside, but as long as we leave it running it doesn't have to work too hard to keep things at the same temp.
Damn. That's definitely not doable for me. I live in a townhouse that's a standalone home but still in an HOA, so I'm pretty sure I'm not allowed to get an awning or anything else. I've been thinking about solar shades (interior) and window tinting. Not sure if the tinting is allowed tho.
At this point dude, buying full rooftop solar would probably be cheaper per month than paying your utility company. Also, find any windows that have sunshine coming through them and cover them from the outside with something very bright. Sunshine is 1KW per 10 square feet, that may not seem like much but it can cook a house.
I’ve been wanting to try cooking using a cast iron just left in the sun on a non-conductive surface. Unfortunately I think it would require extremely thin slices of meat to work lol
Any time Arizona heat comes up posting, this Peggy Hill line about Phoenix is mandatory:
“This city should not exist. It is a monument to man’s arrogance."
Mannnnnn....dry heat is way better than humid heat like Texas. I was down south for memorial Day weekend and that shit was absolutely oppressive. It felt like the atmosphere was waterboarding me.
Phoenix is a godforsaken place. The neighborhoods are tree-less, shade-less. And all the people are hiding inside their AC homes with window shades drawn. It's like an episode of the Twilight Zone.
I was born & forged in that crucible of human suffering.
It used to be a patchwork quilt of citrus, cotton, cowboys, adobe arches wrapped in Bougainvillea, and actual Sonoran desert….with a delicious respite of cool evenings. The Salt River audibly flowed.
Now it is one large parking lot with strip mall after strip mall after strip mall. Just soul crushing corporate uniformity.
The avenues are even more hellish somehow. (Looking at you 27th).
Mesa/Chandler/Gilbert is a serial killer incubation unit.
Arcadia prides itself on looking like the mall/fashion park came home with you while hiding in the trunk…..and people spend their time there buying clothes from the mall, wearing said clothes and walking around the fucking mall like it is a flex or holds some sort of tangible gravitas. It’s so shallow. I’ve had Christian side hugs that meant more.
Also…Poor people line up for Gucci belts at SFS. It is so unbelievably dismal. I miss old school Mill Avenue.
I was OG from the east coast and moved out here very young. I can confirm everything you are saying. It's already a miserable place, but it's gotten worse over the last decade (at least) . We even have our own BART now.
I took miss old Tempe. RIP Starters. I can still see you from Tempe Tavern.
If you havent experienced 115+ you really don’t understand. People may say “but it’s a dry heat!” That’s true up to a point, but 115 is a whole different animal. Yiu can feel the sun trying to crush you into the sidewalk
Yo OP I’m sorry to hear about the blinds, they look wrecked. I recently bought some UV film off Amazon for my windows and I gotta say I feel a difference. Granted I’m in Denver but, we still get heavy sun. I want to suggest to you to try some.
Best of luck brotha
My two year old is a great kid, but she’s losing it here (Phoenix) because we cannot go to the park and won’t be able to until October. No riding bikes, no walking the dog. It feels abusive.
We are only in the beginning stages of the consequences from Global Warming, it is going to get hotter - and the weather more violent. Enjoy your front row seats to the destruction.
Man I don't live in the desert and I insulate my windows (I'm poor and I use old packaging and bubble wrap). Are you all just running your air conditioners non stop?
Pretty sure your neighbor try to warn you on Reddit yesterday
Here is the referenced [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/s/ZN1T2RGq9L).
MVP!
Melted Venetian Plastic?
Most Valuable Potato
Sad that it is not actually the same window. Sidebar: Why would anyone ever live in the middle of a desert
The land is cheap because nobody else wants to live in the middle of a desert.
It WAS! Lol everyones moving here. +100K resident gain per year just in the Metro-Capitol area.
Not for much longer; this is only the start. Next year it’s probably going to be even hotter than it is now.
I'm pretty sure we are past the probable point.
definitely gonna be hotter. then, again and again every year until we all die or maybe, just maybe, we will stop letting giant corporations pump toxins into the atmosphere. we will probably all die though
>or maybe, just maybe, we will stop letting giant corporations pump toxins into the atmosphere Chevron was just overturned sooooo I don't have a lot of hope.
No that was true ten years ago now there's a Bernoulli effect of "people are there so people go there" It's actually one of the least affordable places because as always wages lag behind housing cost increases
Sure about that? Phoenix is a massive metro, one of the largest in the country. And suburbs, apt complexes are going up every day. People aparrently want to move to this hellscape. Yeah those 8-9 months are nice but for me those 3 months of hell temps are not fun. And i miss the rain. Real rain.
My uncle lived there for a few years; he said "I never thought I'd say this, but I got tired of sunny days and blue skies; when it rains, you get a few drops on your windshield and then it's over".
Yes, that’s where i’m at. I’m ready to live in the PNW at this point. Or where there’s thunderstorms again, but not florida The blue skies are *oppressive* here.
It's people who say "It's hot, but a dry heat", no Terry it's not a dry heat it is an asphalt and glass hellhole built in a valley in the desert.
Can't be that hot, surely? Also named after a bird that literally sets itself on fire
There's a terminal at PHX separated from the others. Its sole purpose is basically to force those on layovers to step outside shortly. This is an example of cruel and unusual punishment.
It can, and please don't call me Shirley.
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I lived in the Middle East for years with temps like this. I’ve never seen anything melt whether blinds or car dashboards or whatever. Are these from blinds from Temu?
Lmao Temu blinds
SHEIN Blinds
It’s from Xiemu https://youtu.be/MKTN2OiR2R8?si=VEeuCfk3nZKMD-8Y
Melt like a millionaire
It's more likely that the plastics used in higher temp areas are formulated to withstand that higher temp environment. :)
117 is a normal summer day here in phoenix and i have never ever seen blinds melt like this before nor have i had anyone tell me about theirs melting either
I’m guessing they “don’t make them like they used to”. Maybe go with aluminum next time.
"117 is a normal summer day here in Phoenix..." I got heatstroke just reading that. Hello from rainy Nova Scotia.
Are you saying Phoenix is not a high temp area?
More like Home Depot will just sell you whatever blinds they have, regardless if it’s high temp rated or not.
I mean, it's named after a mythological bird that is reborn after it combusts in a ball of fire. I'm not sure the chamber of commerce thought that one through, especially how to emulate the rebirth part.
Wait, are your blinds made of plastic? We have metal ones here in Finland. 🤔
Both are available in the US but the plastic ones are cheaper so that’s what most people get.
> Both are available in the US Florida here. Haven't been able to find aluminum blinds in a while, my choices are wood and plastic, and the wood stuff is priced *very* bougie.
Ours are made with lead, asbestos and freedom
Weird because my blinds (in Arizona) aren't plastic, they're metal. If metal blinds melt you have bigger problems.
I remember that as well! Huh 🤔
We are all on this mf too much
Yeah but the alternative is outside. *gasp*
The blinds melted inside. Like hell I'm going outside!
It’s too peopley out there
Yeah man too many people peopling outside.
Ain't that the truth.
I went outside a lot today. Made me want to stay inside.
Or worse. Tik-tok. ![gif](giphy|4cuyucPeVWbNS)
I need to see people who have it bad so I feel better about my shitty life.
Got so hot a whole window melted off the house.
47.2 degrees Celsius for the rest of the world.
Hotter than a GPU at idle temps for nerds.
My CPU would run at 39+ idle. My phone is hotter than that idling.
Omg. That’s horrific.
Now imagine the extra heat from the roads and sidewalks, most completely unshaded. Trying to get anywhere without a car can actually be deadly from the heat. It's 8:15pm and 111F (43.9C), it will not go below 90F (32.2C) tonight. People are getting burn injuries like crazy right now. You literally can't touch the ground, some door handles, gates without hurting yourself.
And why is such a place growing like crazy
Had that a couple summers ago where I live (North Africa), usually around 100-110 (converted for your convenience) in August, hit 120(49C) a couple days. Went out when I saw 120 out of curiosity. I'm more or less used to it so I went on walk, it's very dry so in the shade it feels survivable, but yeah can't stay out long, shit looked like a Mexico Breaking Bad episode, it felt exactly like how it feels when you open the oven and the heat hits your face. Everybody knows the "it's the humidity that gets ya", but to me 100C in a humid place is just worse. Only thing that's fucked about the 120, is that I lived there 20 years and it never hit those temps, but it's becoming routine every summer. We hit 122 last year. Records every year. Scary shit.
Jeez that's fucked
Being warned by weather service, news, gossip, and space aliens who like to watch us suffer. But we long-time Arizonans muddle on through. I'm making roman shades out of fabric because I can't afford the wood or heavy duty ones right now.
It won’t look pretty, but if you can get sunshades that are meant for cars, cut them to size and put them in your windows. They’ll keep the heat out and won’t melt!
I don't think God wants people to live in Arizona during the summer.
Copy & paste my comment from yesterday to save you the trouble... *Blinds are treated with carcinogens. Some PVC mini-blinds are stabilized with lead, which can then be released into household dust. Plastic vinyl window shades off-gas chemicals. Wouldn't want to be breathing the fumes from all that melted plastic or whatever it's made of...*
“Above him, in the house that owns the pool, a light has come on, and children are looking down at him through their bedroom windows, all warm and fuzzy in their Li'l Crips and Ninja Raft Warrior pajamas, which can either be flameproof or noncarcinogenic but not both at the same time.” Neal Stephenson *Snow Crash*
Are you the neighbor from [this post?](https://old.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1dwcw1b/oc_118_f_477c_here_in_phoenix_today_my_neighbors/)
God I might be 😂 the whole states melting
Friend in AZ told me there are several parks next to her and they all have synthetic grass. I can't imagine how hot they must be.
I visited Phoenix a few years ago for the first time. We went to this outdoor mall place where you could walk around and it had benches and shade trees every dozen yards or so. I didn't notice it until we sat down, but the grass was all fake. It was so bizarre to me at the time. Logically, I know why that's needed in places like Arizona. But as a midwesterner, that was some of the weirdest shit to see. I don't take my grassy world for granted anymore.
As a west coaster, the first time I traveled to the east coast I was blown away by how green everything was. Talking to the locals, I was like, dude, there's giant green grass next to your freeways! And they were like, "what's next to your freeways?" Dead plants and gravel. Hella dirt, that's what. "If the plants are dead, why don't they tear it out and put something else there?" Because it's green for 2 weeks a year and it makes us feel good. Seriously though, we have trees all over the place, but the general green-ness cannot be understated. It was wild. And then I went to the Midwest for the first time and was even more blown away. Can I get, *one* goddamn palm tree to make me feel safe? And what's up with the water towers every quarter mile?
I spent a summer in Tucson for work, and got to be friends with one of the desk clerks. I asked her for suggestions on sights to see to/from the Grand Canyon, and she told me I absolutely needed to see a particular park. I did stop there, and it was a forested river valley. It was nice, but it didn’t seem that special to me. It took me a few minutes to realize that “forested river valley” ain’t exactly an everyday sight for someone that lived her whole life in Arizona.
Definitely gives me perspective. My back yard is a protected pineland forest, but I'd kill sometimes for a more accommodating climate to grow cacti and succulents outside. I guess the grass is always greener, or more sandy. Idk
My succulent garden melted this week so… it’s too hot for even the cacti here unfortunately. I had to bring *my cactus* inside to get it out of the sun.
You’re just in the wrong part of the west coast - come up north to the PNW!
Yup was gonna say the same thing! Northern Oregon is VERY green.
It's actually the grass seed capital of the world.
Make sure to say that everywhere, so people stop moving here. Insane amounts of pollen. Had a boss from our Idaho team Come out this way and he couldn't figure out why every time he did, he got insanely sick. Until I brought up allergies. He stopped coming around as much after that.
I grew up in the pnw, moved to AZ fifteen years ago, recently went back to visit for the first time in years. The freeways felt like a post apocalyptic movie where nature's reclaimed everything, like Shannara Chronicles lol I guess I got more used to decorative rocks and tiny dead shrubs on my freeways than I realized
>And what's up with the water towers every quarter mile? Because its pretty flat there. There's no natural topology to use to pressurize the water pipes. The most populous areas of CA tend to be hilly, so water tanks tend.to be built at ground level on a hilltop
I am from the flatest part of the region with the flatest topography in the state (outside of the eastern desert regions). The population is aprox 150k and we have 2 water towers. When I was in the Chicago burbs my friend and I started calling out water towers like it was a game of slug bug. They were everywhere. Not sure if "flatness" is the only factor but I would love to learn more.
I'm from Tennessee and had an inverse experience visiting Denver for the first time. I was there for less than 48 hours and while the "dry heat" (this was in early-mid summer) was nice, I was ready to go home because everything was so fucking *brown*.
I can understand that point of view, for sure.
I have a similar story, but the kinda opposite. We had family visiting from the Midwest for the first time in California. We live close to large mountains. They had an epic view of the mountains at a nearby hotel. They were blown away that it was our daily view. I don't take my mountainous world for granted, either!
As a life long Californian, the lack of elevation change when we went to visit my in-laws in Michigan for the first time was down right depressing.
High desert in Nevada near Tahoe here. Whenever out of state friends visit they are blown away. They have never seen real mountains!
Grew up in the PNW, living halfway up the hills on one side of a river valley, able to see across to the other side, and downriver to where it fed into the Columbia and the flat river plain. That's just how it is. Then I go to Florida and have mild agoraphobia the entire time because its just...sky. No hills, ridges, or mountains in the distance. Not even particularly tall trees. Just...wide open sky.
Maybe humans weren't supposed to live in Arizona?
Can you flip them so they cook evenly? I’d hate for one side to be underdone.
Mmmmm..... blinds.....
I’m replacing all my blinds with curtains now.
They make ones that have a backing that help keep the heat of the sun out. I’d suggest those if this is an issue for ya
Tinfoil the fucking windows at that point. Normally there's the concern that the neighbors might think you're tweakers, but this is Arizona, so realistically the neighbors *are* tweakers.
I come from a country where it's never really warm, but I love those external Venetians that's popular in Southern Europe
I don’t understand why those don’t get more love. They create a physical barrier and when the barrier heats up it’s outside so the heat that radiates off them still stays outside
When I saw them for the first time on Austria o was blown away. What genius. Why can’t we have nice things?
You can if you buy them. You buy some, someone else on the street will see they're a thing and maybe inquire or buy some and then eventually, if they're proven to be useful, they'll get more popular.
That’s the question as old as time
Home Depot and Lowe’s sell DIY home window tint kits that work pretty well too. Takes a bit of practice to install well, but it’s worth it IMO. Every bit helps
If you have double or triple pane windows they will crack them in this heat (most people do). Be informed before you install random products and void your windows warrenty. At the very least if you use these with double or triple pane glass install them on the exterior of the window.
Can confirm. Had tweaker roommate and his windows were tinfoiled. Was a pretty low rent area so no one gave a shit.
What’s the connection btw tweaking and tinfoil windows?
The retractable curtain blinds that are made out of what looks like projector screen material is what I use. I don't live in arizona, but it feels like less heat comes in with them down. I think they are canvas with an aluminum foil layer inside. Edit: Retractable Thermal Insulated Blackout Roller Shades <--The magic keywords
External blinds or shutters are best, stops the sun from getting through the glass.
Blackout curtains are awesome, I put them on the windows that get blasted by the afternoon sun and it helps so much. Actually made a noticeable difference in my power bill 'cause the AC doesn't have to work as hard.
I’ve done this as well
Time to invest in dark window tint. It helps here in Florida.
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UV and IR
Will they handle that level of heat?
A good quality film will, yes.
I live in Canada and wouldn’t last a day in that kind of climate. Imagine if you didn’t have air conditioning, I hope no one had to work outside in Arizona today.
It's regularly over 110 most days in Phoenix summers & people work outside, inside, in no AC all the time. When you live in it you learn to deal with it. One summer I worked at Pizza Hut & the AC went out and they stayed open despite it being nearly 120 deg inside, we all took frequent breaks in the walk-in freezer & the AC was fixed the next day, but I still had to stand in the hot sun in black polyester pants delivering pizzas all day, like every other day I worked. It sucks but that's life. Edit: Not replying to any more pedantic stupid responses of PeOpLe DiE iN HeAt... yeah, that's not at all what I'm fucking saying. I'm saying that people adjust when they move to a new climate. People die every where every day, climate or otherwise related. That's not my fucking point. Good lord. Go touch grass.
That’s not life in Canada. We are seeing a real increase in temperatures as the whole world has but if the temperature gets really hot (35 -40c) we have cooling centres for people who don’t have heat pumps and our communities really step up to help the elderly and disabled. We are a small population so we are able to do this. 110f would be around 45c, we would just drop dead 😵
Phoenix has much, much lower humidity than the hot areas of Canada. The dry-bulb temperature isn't what matters, it's the wet-bulb temperature (the temperature that evaporation can cool down the thermometer to). Sweat cools by evaporation, so looking at a [psychrometric](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychrometrics) chart 110°F with 10% relative humidity is about 68°F wet-bulb, while 95°F (35°C) with 50% relative humidity is about 79°F wet-bulb (at 1atm pressure). So a quite reasonable humidity value for a hot day in Canada can actually feel hotter than a hotter absolute temperature day in Phoenix. Wet-bulb temperature also matters for heat exhaustion & heat stroke. Once it's above about 95°F (35°C) humans can't cool down by sweating any more, and die in a few hours if they can't get out of the heat. 120°F at 50% relative humidity would exceed this, we're unfortunately likely to start seeing such events in some equatorial areas soon.
Another way to put it, if you can't sweat at 130F you are being cooked at the same temperature that a rare steak should be. A way to cook a steak is to submerge it in 130F water, or you can do it in a special oven with steam at 130F. If you can't sweat to cool, you cook.
this is true, humidity makes a major difference. Southern Ontario heat is far more unbearable then any city in all of arizona at its worst times. you cant even breathe properly in high humidity heat.
that's not life. that's survival...
That’s insane. I worked at Taco Bell for one summer and the AC broke. It was 116 in Oregon and they closed the store after the temp inside got to 95 degrees.
Modern day [Persistence of Memory!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Persistence_of_Memory#/media/File:The_Persistence_of_Memory.jpg)
Luckily climate change is a lie, this is just the warmth of God’s loving embrace
My cashier today said it's so hot outside because God is trying to prepare all the sinners for hell.
How kind of him to make sure the sinners have a smooth transition to eternal damnation.
I didn't have the heart to explain to her how her theory was biblically inaccurate. Hell is just the absence of God's love. It's much more likely to be extremely cold rather than extremely hot. Of course you would have to be a moron to believe in any of that shit.
She's probably just respond with "Oh sweetie, bless your heart."
Climate change is real, but like why are they living in phoenix.... seems like they are getting what they signed up for.
Reminds me of the King of the Hill quote about Phoenix being hot; “this city should not exist. It is a monument to man’s arrogance.” 🤣
And it’s America’s 5th largest city. Absolutely bananas. Even disregarding the heat, why are we building cities that big where there isn’t water to do so?
MSA is a better stat to use. Phoenix metro is the 10th largest in the USA.
The name "Phoenix" literally refers to rising out of the ruins of Hohokam irrigation canals, a civilization that *likely collapsed due to climate changes* There could not be a more ironic name for the city
Is it cheap af to live there?
No it is not. Housing is very expensive.
So humans are over paying to live in an inhospitable environment? 🤔🤔
Basically. If you go outside of the major cities by about 20 minutes, the temps drop 10 degrees
Northern Arizona is downright nice.
13 years ago it was, rented a monthly furnished apartment for $750 downtown. Now that half of California has joined the usual Midwestern migrants, not so much. Said monthly is now $2100 as of the last time I checked.
I love that by the time these climate change deniers finally come around, it'll be 200F in the shade and we'll all be hopelessly fucked anyway. Oh well!
A lot of it has to do with the sheer amount of concrete and such that holds the heat in. Mix that with the mountain ranges we have to the south that stop or divert a lot of our rain clouds, it’s a bad combo.
I can't believe people willingly live there. Yes I know it's just the summer
Not just live there, pretty sure it’s one of the fastest growing regions in the US. But I agree, I don’t get how people can handle that much heat. Wisconsinite here😅
One of my friends (who is originally from Canada, oddly enough) moved from Green Bay to Phoenix, and tried to convince me to go as well. I told him I would either not survive summer down there, or I just wouldn't leave the house six months out of the year.
The reason why is because you don't get snow like in the east, earthquakes like in california, or the unbearable humidity like Florida. For nine months of the year, the weather is great and you can wear shorts all year round if you want, even midnight in February. During the three months of summer where its hell on earth, you don't go out during the daytime and enjoy the nightlife, or you take trips further north where its colder. I personally dislike AZ, but mainly because the population growth is turning AZ into the lovechild of Texas and California (cheaper than CA, less "texas" than TX)
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Honestly I would me more afraid of my shit burning down not an earthquake. Seems like they are always on fire.
Hey man, I'm in SoCal and I felt an earthquake a couple months ago, atleast I think it was an earthquake, might have been my Chipotle burrito rumbling in my stomach though.
what are the nine months? seems like April-Nov ***average*** high is above 80...
It's even hotter in California today. Redding is 119. And most of the central valley is around 115-117. It's not okay outside.
Palm Springs hit a record of 124 yesterday
And its the 5th most populous city in the country!
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Genuine question - why do places in America that reach these temperatures *not* have some kind of exterior shutter installed? Lots of homes in Southern Europe have these sort of shutters, or the electric kind, specifically to block the peak of the sun out of homes.
I never understood that myself. It seems crazy to me. How do you keep a house at mostly normal temperature without exterior blinds?
We do. We put up these hilariously ridiculous “shutters” that do absolutely nothing and are in fact just stationary panels that are stuck on the exterior wall near windows. Completely, 100% useless aside from looking goofy. Guess what they are most often made out of in modern times? LMAO, *more fucking plastic.* It’s such a ridiculously silly thing, from top to bottom, that it stands out even against all the other absurdities of suburbia.
Was driving by a house with these today and was wondering what they were called
That was my first idea as well. If it's 40+°C outside, the first thing to do is keep the windows covered from the outside so less heat gets in. It's like houses in the US are built in desert areas with no one taking heat into account?
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Soon after we moved into our house the AC unit blew. After a new unit and new ductwork, it all works fine. Not sure it could cool down a house that's 100+ inside, but as long as we leave it running it doesn't have to work too hard to keep things at the same temp.
how much did a new unit and ductwork set you back?
Way too much. Like $20-25k. And this was almost eight years ago now. We did get a top of the line system that could handle the heat out here, though.
Damn. That's definitely not doable for me. I live in a townhouse that's a standalone home but still in an HOA, so I'm pretty sure I'm not allowed to get an awning or anything else. I've been thinking about solar shades (interior) and window tinting. Not sure if the tinting is allowed tho.
Smaller units won't cost as much. We also had some roof issues to contend with. My suggestion is blackout curtains and some fans.
Oh it doesn’t, our power bill is upwards of 800-900 dollars a month trying to keep the house even bearable.
How big is your house? $800-$900 is criminal even for this area
At this point dude, buying full rooftop solar would probably be cheaper per month than paying your utility company. Also, find any windows that have sunshine coming through them and cover them from the outside with something very bright. Sunshine is 1KW per 10 square feet, that may not seem like much but it can cook a house.
Well, your windows aren’t rejecting heat if you’re literally melting the blinds. Seems like they need some upgrades to help fix the issue.
How big is your house? I'm in Tucson and we pay around 115 a month for power.
How is that worth it? You could rent an apartment somewhere mild every summer for that.
Tell me more about these summer only leases in cool areas
Yeahhhhh that's completely not normal for a regular house
jesus christ. Yeah, usually at some point during the summer our power bill is over $200.
Wow your windows are terrible at keeping the heat out
That's 47°C for the rest of the world.
‘No clue how hot that is but it cant be that bad’ to ‘holy hell you can slow cook me at that temperature’
Yes, I’ve (sous vide) cooked meat at the same temperature it is outside my window. If you stay outside in the sun, you will eventually die.
I kinda want to try wrapping a potato in foil and sticking it in my mailbox to see if it'll bake.
I’ve been wanting to try cooking using a cast iron just left in the sun on a non-conductive surface. Unfortunately I think it would require extremely thin slices of meat to work lol
Meanwhile my CHU blinds in Kuwait were fine at 54C.
That’s a temperature that can fuck right off.
Wearing gloves and a facemask to protect yourself from the hairdryer of death. It’s a feeling.
Fuck I don't miss Kuwait. Ever so slightly less of a flaming shit hole to live in than Saudi, but it's a close number two.
My recently installed windows have 95% UV filter coatings. Maybe you can at least get yours tinted.
I'm now putting up curtains instead of blinds everywhere.
I think Arizona may not be fit for human habitation. Let it be home to Kari Lake and the other lizard people
In wise words that always come up whenever someone mentions Arizona: This city should not exist. It is a monument to man's arrogance.
~Peggy Hill
Any time Arizona heat comes up posting, this Peggy Hill line about Phoenix is mandatory: “This city should not exist. It is a monument to man’s arrogance."
Please check on your elderly neighbors. ⚠️♥️
My dad in AZ will surely tell me it’s not too bad cause it’s a dry heat. Without fail.
Mannnnnn....dry heat is way better than humid heat like Texas. I was down south for memorial Day weekend and that shit was absolutely oppressive. It felt like the atmosphere was waterboarding me.
Yes. If the air is humid you sweating does no good to cool your body! Sitting in cold water helps...
Phoenix is a godforsaken place. The neighborhoods are tree-less, shade-less. And all the people are hiding inside their AC homes with window shades drawn. It's like an episode of the Twilight Zone.
I was born & forged in that crucible of human suffering. It used to be a patchwork quilt of citrus, cotton, cowboys, adobe arches wrapped in Bougainvillea, and actual Sonoran desert….with a delicious respite of cool evenings. The Salt River audibly flowed. Now it is one large parking lot with strip mall after strip mall after strip mall. Just soul crushing corporate uniformity. The avenues are even more hellish somehow. (Looking at you 27th). Mesa/Chandler/Gilbert is a serial killer incubation unit. Arcadia prides itself on looking like the mall/fashion park came home with you while hiding in the trunk…..and people spend their time there buying clothes from the mall, wearing said clothes and walking around the fucking mall like it is a flex or holds some sort of tangible gravitas. It’s so shallow. I’ve had Christian side hugs that meant more. Also…Poor people line up for Gucci belts at SFS. It is so unbelievably dismal. I miss old school Mill Avenue.
I was OG from the east coast and moved out here very young. I can confirm everything you are saying. It's already a miserable place, but it's gotten worse over the last decade (at least) . We even have our own BART now. I took miss old Tempe. RIP Starters. I can still see you from Tempe Tavern.
Australian here. How do you guys not have blackout curtains? They're a damn lifesaver in the hot months.
What keeps you folks there in that environment?
Enjoy the coolest summer in Phoenix for the rest of your life
If you havent experienced 115+ you really don’t understand. People may say “but it’s a dry heat!” That’s true up to a point, but 115 is a whole different animal. Yiu can feel the sun trying to crush you into the sidewalk
Yo OP I’m sorry to hear about the blinds, they look wrecked. I recently bought some UV film off Amazon for my windows and I gotta say I feel a difference. Granted I’m in Denver but, we still get heavy sun. I want to suggest to you to try some. Best of luck brotha
My two year old is a great kid, but she’s losing it here (Phoenix) because we cannot go to the park and won’t be able to until October. No riding bikes, no walking the dog. It feels abusive.
But it’s a dry heat
We are only in the beginning stages of the consequences from Global Warming, it is going to get hotter - and the weather more violent. Enjoy your front row seats to the destruction.
Man I don't live in the desert and I insulate my windows (I'm poor and I use old packaging and bubble wrap). Are you all just running your air conditioners non stop?
Maybe don’t vote for Donald trump if you like blinds?