He must present himself like that to play up the similarity to his famous ancestor. If he had different facial hair, and cut his hair differently the similarities would not be nearly as strong.
Yeah genetically speaking he’s barely related. If we spent enough time on genealogy websites, the majority of people on this sub could probably find a way in which we were at least 11th generation cousins with Lincoln. He just lucked out with the name.
Edit: apparently he’s more closely related than the post claims. My point is still relevant to most cases of people saying they’re related to presidents, though.
Let me give you some advice, bastard. Never forget what you are, the rest of the world will not. Wear it like armor and it can never be used to hurt you
Lol bastard feels like such a medieval word to me. I grew up using it as an insult sometimes but now it feels like a weird word to hear or see outside of game of thrones and the House of the dragon.
Yeah it definitely does. I was 13 when I first read game of thrones several decades ago and it's a big part of why I identified with Jon so much.
My mom was so kind as to explain the definition of "bastard" to me at some point when was nine or ten. I grew up a fatherless bastard but finally found my dad's family within the last year or so. Other than learning about a brother who died several years ago, it's been a wonderful experience.
Not *exactly* the same y chromosome though - the bits shared with the X are mixed up during meiosis, just like the other chromosomes, so won't be exactly the same.
Lincoln and I share the same 6th great grandfather. He is my second cousin 5x removed. That's about as close as anyone is going to get, as he has no remaining direct descendants.
I look nothing like him.
You math is a bit off an 11th generation ancestor with an average fertility rate of 3 children per generation would have approximately 177,147 descendants.
the title is misleading or poorly worded. according to \[Ralph Lincoln's website\](https://alincolncousin.com/) he has a member of the Lincoln family in America for 11 generations and he shares a great-grandfather with Abraham Lincoln (making him 3rd cousins)
That’s not true. Not 11th cousin, that’s a massive range, but I take this to mean first cousin 11 generations removed. So his ancestor shared grandparents with Lincoln
and off i went to google to see if there were other pics to find he's got a whole website dedicated to how he's lincoln's cousin so... yea i guess that's his whole personality [https://alincolncousin.com/](https://alincolncousin.com/) though apparently he's lost a lot of his own so... i guess fair [https://wjactv.com/news/local/lincoln-05-09-2019](https://wjactv.com/news/local/lincoln-05-09-2019)
Oooof so yeah it’s his whole personality was wiped out by a brain tumor, and all he knows from himself is that he’s Lincoln’s cousin.
So, understandable that it’s his personality. He’s making the most out of his circumstance
The title is oddly worded.
According to his website, he is the 11th generation of the Lincoln family in America.
His 5th great grandfather was Abe's great uncle. If my cousin calculation is correct, that makes him 3rd cousins 4 times removed.
OK. That's still about 11 degrees of separation (depending on your exact methodology), so we're looking at roughly 2^-11 of DNA to be IBD, or about 3 cM . Which in practical terms is unrelated .
That's a little more closely related than I realized, although still not a close relative and any resemblance is likely either coincidental or the result of Ralph trying his hardest to look like his distant relative.
Someone can check my math, but I believe 3rd cousins 4 times removed is the same relatedness as 5th cousins, which I think was what Theodore Roosevelt was to Franklin Roosevelt. They were not as closely related as many thought, and the close connection was actually Theodore to Eleanor (she was his niece).
That is what I took it as. 11th generation first cousin, not 11th cousin. Most of the people in this thread are probably 11th cousins or closer. Once you get into 5th cousin, the explosion of generations back is crazy.
The relations are as such: 1st cousins share grandparents, 2nd = great-grandparents, 3rd = great-great, 4th = great^3, 5th = great^4 ...(nth cousin degree) = (great)^n-1 grandparents.
By the time you get back 11 generations, probably the majority of the people on any given continent are likely related about that closely.
Oh, I'm pretty sure 2nd cousins and above are medically considered genetically dissimilar enough. Hell, most consider 1st cousins okay so long as it's not too many generations, but first cousins can marry in a lot of places.
Societally, and at least historically, 3rd cousins almost never know they share an ancestor, as their common ancestor is typically no longer alive when they're born.
11th generation doesn't sound right. i know my family tree 11 generations back and that takes me to the 1600s. mid 19th century should be more like ~5 generations back, give or take.
Depends on his ancestors relationship to Lincoln. I'm guessing they are saying that him and Lincoln share an ancestor 11 generations ago.
So he is the Great Great Grandson of Lincolns 5th cousin.
For sure, because even if he's in a death cult who wants to bring nuclear Armageddon to Earth, he's gotta start from square one and doesn't have four years experience already.
["I've never met Ralph, personally. But I'm gonna go ahead and say, just having known you a short while, Donald, that I prefer Ralph. And again, I've never even met the guy."](https://youtu.be/5m77U_QLfhU?si=jjG0aVJp-YBtbz8y&t=269)
Everytime this guys picture shows up on here we have to try and correct the bullshit. This guy doesn’t look like Lincoln he just shaves his beard and cuts his hair to look like him. He’s about as related to Lincoln as George Clooney and Tom Hanks. He’s Mordecai Lincoln’s fifth generation grandchild and Mordecai Lincoln was Abe Lincoln’s grandfather’s brother. It’s basically that line from Spaceballs
That Abe Lincoln's great grandson died three years before I was born is pretty wild. Also kind of crazy that that was the end of that line.
Btw if you've ever been to Springfield IL they are obsessed with Lincoln, it's literally the only thing they have going for them, this guy would fit in down there.
Not really, he’s not even a direct descendant he’s a line of descendants from a second cousin of Abe Lincoln. He just grew a beard out to look like Lincoln and made a career out of it. Daniel Day Lewis looks more like Lincoln than this guy.
Ralph Lincoln is a 5th descendant of Mordecai Lincoln. Mordecai Lincoln is Abe Lincoln’s grandfather’s brother.
Tom Hanks and George Clooney are about as related to Lincoln as this guy is.
Not to mention, even if he were an 11th-generation descendent, he’d have around 1000 other 8th-great grandparents too, so any resemblance at that point would be purely coincidental.
I'm also a distant cousin of Lincoln and since I'm a woman, I'm happy to say I don't look like any of these dudes. I'd be sad if I could grow that robust a beard.
Seems rude to name a male descendant of Lincoln something so pedestrian.
Eustice Lincoln.
Merriweather Lincoln.
Archibald Lincoln.
Jebediah Lincoln.
Not "Ralph."
I read about the possibility of Lincoln being a Malungeon back in the 80s in some book about mysteries that I got out of the library. I've tucked that word into the recesses of my brain for 35+ years.
Abe Lincoln was considered a country hillbilly in his day too, when most presidents before him were born in Virginia and came from well-off families. He was famously born in a log cabin in Kentucky.
Lincoln's mother's siblings have descendants, and I'm one of them. One of those surviving family lines are the Hanks family, and among them is Tom Hanks. And my grandmother who was a Hanks. It's about as close as you get unless you subscribe to the conspiracy theory that there actually is a concealed offspring to one of Lincoln's grandsons.
"Abe Lincoln has no living descendants. His son Edward died when he was 3, William died at age 11, and Tad died at 18. Robert Todd Lincoln was the only one to live into adulthood and have children. Of his children (Abraham’s grandchildren), Abe Lincoln II died without children, however both Mary and Jessie had kids. Abraham Lincoln’s three great grand children (Lincoln Isham, Mary Lincoln Beckwith, and Robert Todd Lincoln Beckwith) never had kids"
ETA: saw this comment on a post about Ralph the other year. Shouts @GrandPriapus.
I was going to ask (non American over here) if the current descendants ever had shown political interest until I remembered what happened to their great great etc grandfather or cousin in this case.🤦🏽♀️
Four score and seven beers ago
"I wasn't as nearly sloshed as I am now."
At least one guy in the family can handle a shot
[удалено]
You need to de-stress. Go see a play!
I hear that they can really be to die for. Maybe take the missus.
Too soon man, too soon /s
That’s Lin-C-oln I KNOW HOW TO SPELL LINCOLN!
This guy was probably born in a Kentucky log cabin too. Probably still lives there.
He probably built said cabin
Aldi brand Lincoln.
“A-huh huh huh”
There’s the reference I was looking for. Go THD
Same here. They go so hard.
Wow haven’t heard THD in so long. Used to be one of my fav bands
Josh still gets fan mail to this day.
Abraham Drinkin
Sittin on the front stoop wonder what we gonna do
What the world come to, who you gonna run to?
Hey Blinkin!
Did you just say *Abe Lincoln*???
No! I said hey Blinkin! Hold the reins man.
MASTA ROBIN! You lost ya arms in Batt’l!
But you gained a nice set of boobs…!
Blinkin. I'm over here.
Oh. (Grumble) Later.
They did it in Blazing Saddles!
But you've grown some nice boobs!
The way spelled battle just made me cry laughing.
“In these parts?”
I wonder how often Antony Blinken hears that.
With his international connections, I feel like he could probably find us a Robin Hood who can speak with an English accent.
*gasp*
THE NIIIIIIIGHT IS YOOOUUUUUUUNG
And you’re so beautiful. B flat.
I’m miffed the entire media didn’t run with it from the start.
His name is literally A. Blinken
You mean A. Blinken?
Every time I hear Anthony Blinken I hear that in my head after
He’s definitely a smoothie…
He has a mole?
He must present himself like that to play up the similarity to his famous ancestor. If he had different facial hair, and cut his hair differently the similarities would not be nearly as strong.
He’s either trying to play up Lincoln or one of The Decemberists.
I love that band! 
this was funny.
this was comment.
“Meet Hitler’s 11th generation cousin” “*the mustache resemblance is uncanny!*”
https://nypost.com/2019/09/05/adolf-hitlers-last-living-relative-convicted-of-pedophilia/
Yeah genetically speaking he’s barely related. If we spent enough time on genealogy websites, the majority of people on this sub could probably find a way in which we were at least 11th generation cousins with Lincoln. He just lucked out with the name. Edit: apparently he’s more closely related than the post claims. My point is still relevant to most cases of people saying they’re related to presidents, though.
Well, if he carries the name, that means he's gotten the y chromosome all the way down the chain.
Unless he's a bastard or the descendent of one or more. Bastard with my mother's surname here.
Let me give you some advice, bastard. Never forget what you are, the rest of the world will not. Wear it like armor and it can never be used to hurt you
Gods, the writing was *strong*, then.
Ok Tyrion
high five
Lol bastard feels like such a medieval word to me. I grew up using it as an insult sometimes but now it feels like a weird word to hear or see outside of game of thrones and the House of the dragon.
Well at least real world society hasn't developed naming conventions similiar to the series or else I'd have to go by Corn or something like that.
Look at mister John Corn here, trying to claim the Iron Throne.
Yeah it definitely does. I was 13 when I first read game of thrones several decades ago and it's a big part of why I identified with Jon so much. My mom was so kind as to explain the definition of "bastard" to me at some point when was nine or ten. I grew up a fatherless bastard but finally found my dad's family within the last year or so. Other than learning about a brother who died several years ago, it's been a wonderful experience.
Yes, it just seems so strange to see it used in a sentence so plainly, in a way to discern facts. “Unless he was a bastard”
Or there was a different non-Abe strand of Lincoln by marriage.
Or he changed his last name because he wanted to
Not *exactly* the same y chromosome though - the bits shared with the X are mixed up during meiosis, just like the other chromosomes, so won't be exactly the same.
Lincoln and I share the same 6th great grandfather. He is my second cousin 5x removed. That's about as close as anyone is going to get, as he has no remaining direct descendants. I look nothing like him.
> I look nothing like him. Have you tried a no-mustache beard and a 1860s haircut?
But if he's a she?
I’m Abe Licoln himself 5 times removed (from what you call the physical) and I…cannot tell a lie.
> the **majority** of people on this sub are probably at least 11th generation cousins with Lincoln. Huh
You math is a bit off an 11th generation ancestor with an average fertility rate of 3 children per generation would have approximately 177,147 descendants.
the title is misleading or poorly worded. according to \[Ralph Lincoln's website\](https://alincolncousin.com/) he has a member of the Lincoln family in America for 11 generations and he shares a great-grandfather with Abraham Lincoln (making him 3rd cousins)
That’s not true. Not 11th cousin, that’s a massive range, but I take this to mean first cousin 11 generations removed. So his ancestor shared grandparents with Lincoln
Not me , related to Mary Todd Lincoln but not the big Abe.
Kind of lame tbh. Based on his presentation, it seems his whole personality is "hey did you know I'm the 11th generation cousin of Abe Lincoln?
He might have done that just for one photo though. Know we that he presents himself like that all the time?
and off i went to google to see if there were other pics to find he's got a whole website dedicated to how he's lincoln's cousin so... yea i guess that's his whole personality [https://alincolncousin.com/](https://alincolncousin.com/) though apparently he's lost a lot of his own so... i guess fair [https://wjactv.com/news/local/lincoln-05-09-2019](https://wjactv.com/news/local/lincoln-05-09-2019)
Oooof so yeah it’s his whole personality was wiped out by a brain tumor, and all he knows from himself is that he’s Lincoln’s cousin. So, understandable that it’s his personality. He’s making the most out of his circumstance
I mean sure. but if Lincoln had different facial hair, and cut his hair differently, he wouldn’t look much like Lincoln either
 Nah fam, this guy is the ultimate Lincoln look-alike
You may recognize me from the penny
Mm mreh hueh heh hrmmm hyup
… trying his best to still resemble his distant relative.
It’s all he has 😭
11th cousin is statistically the same as being unrelated, so any physical resemblance is purely coincidental!
The title is oddly worded. According to his website, he is the 11th generation of the Lincoln family in America. His 5th great grandfather was Abe's great uncle. If my cousin calculation is correct, that makes him 3rd cousins 4 times removed.
OK. That's still about 11 degrees of separation (depending on your exact methodology), so we're looking at roughly 2^-11 of DNA to be IBD, or about 3 cM . Which in practical terms is unrelated .
r/theydidthemath
That's a little more closely related than I realized, although still not a close relative and any resemblance is likely either coincidental or the result of Ralph trying his hardest to look like his distant relative. Someone can check my math, but I believe 3rd cousins 4 times removed is the same relatedness as 5th cousins, which I think was what Theodore Roosevelt was to Franklin Roosevelt. They were not as closely related as many thought, and the close connection was actually Theodore to Eleanor (she was his niece).
The point is still the same, but perhaps he is his 1st cousin 11 times removed.
That is what I took it as. 11th generation first cousin, not 11th cousin. Most of the people in this thread are probably 11th cousins or closer. Once you get into 5th cousin, the explosion of generations back is crazy. The relations are as such: 1st cousins share grandparents, 2nd = great-grandparents, 3rd = great-great, 4th = great^3, 5th = great^4 ...(nth cousin degree) = (great)^n-1 grandparents. By the time you get back 11 generations, probably the majority of the people on any given continent are likely related about that closely.
At what point is it no longer inbred?
Oh, I'm pretty sure 2nd cousins and above are medically considered genetically dissimilar enough. Hell, most consider 1st cousins okay so long as it's not too many generations, but first cousins can marry in a lot of places. Societally, and at least historically, 3rd cousins almost never know they share an ancestor, as their common ancestor is typically no longer alive when they're born.
11th generation doesn't sound right. i know my family tree 11 generations back and that takes me to the 1600s. mid 19th century should be more like ~5 generations back, give or take.
Maybe they meant 11 degrees, e.g. 5th cousin or something.
Depends on his ancestors relationship to Lincoln. I'm guessing they are saying that him and Lincoln share an ancestor 11 generations ago. So he is the Great Great Grandson of Lincolns 5th cousin.
It's not coincidental at all - he shaved his beard like that on purpose.
Yettisburg Address
Can it possibly be as silly as it looks?
This isn’t Michael Shannon playing Abraham Lincoln?
"I was bred to be a president, Lee. Trained my entire life to master my senses. Where did you train? On a plantation?!"
I will find him!
“11th generation cousin”… does no one see how many people are related… that’s thousands of people lol.
He is now your new Democratic nominee for President.
He looks to be under 60, I’m in
Got my vote.
If it was a decision between Trump or this guy without knowing his stances at all I would still vote for this guy and hope for the best
It is extremely unlikely this guy has done a personal favor for Putin. With that knowledge, I agree.
For sure, because even if he's in a death cult who wants to bring nuclear Armageddon to Earth, he's gotta start from square one and doesn't have four years experience already.
["I've never met Ralph, personally. But I'm gonna go ahead and say, just having known you a short while, Donald, that I prefer Ralph. And again, I've never even met the guy."](https://youtu.be/5m77U_QLfhU?si=jjG0aVJp-YBtbz8y&t=269)
Works for me.
Abe has no living direct descendants, his last was his great-grandson Robert Todd Lincoln Beckwith who died in 1985.
Everytime this guys picture shows up on here we have to try and correct the bullshit. This guy doesn’t look like Lincoln he just shaves his beard and cuts his hair to look like him. He’s about as related to Lincoln as George Clooney and Tom Hanks. He’s Mordecai Lincoln’s fifth generation grandchild and Mordecai Lincoln was Abe Lincoln’s grandfather’s brother. It’s basically that line from Spaceballs
That Abe Lincoln's great grandson died three years before I was born is pretty wild. Also kind of crazy that that was the end of that line. Btw if you've ever been to Springfield IL they are obsessed with Lincoln, it's literally the only thing they have going for them, this guy would fit in down there.
What’s his wrestling record? Abe was 299 - 1.
That beard is so iconic
He’s trying too hard to
The genes strong as hell in that bloodline
Not really, he’s not even a direct descendant he’s a line of descendants from a second cousin of Abe Lincoln. He just grew a beard out to look like Lincoln and made a career out of it. Daniel Day Lewis looks more like Lincoln than this guy. Ralph Lincoln is a 5th descendant of Mordecai Lincoln. Mordecai Lincoln is Abe Lincoln’s grandfather’s brother. Tom Hanks and George Clooney are about as related to Lincoln as this guy is.
Tom Hanks should fight him for title of Lincoln cousin. Loser gets that guy's beard.
Not to mention, even if he were an 11th-generation descendent, he’d have around 1000 other 8th-great grandparents too, so any resemblance at that point would be purely coincidental.
I'm also a distant cousin of Lincoln and since I'm a woman, I'm happy to say I don't look like any of these dudes. I'd be sad if I could grow that robust a beard.
Wattuppp cuzzzzennnn
Let's go bowling!
Actually Clooney is closer. Lets see him with an Abe beard.
[Ralph Lincoln’s website](https://alincolncousin.com)
I don't think he even looks like him much. He looks like a guy who walked into a barbershop and said "give me the Abe Lincoln"
Anyone would look Lincoln-esque with that beard. He just looks like some guy. May as well be a Ford Focus.
Are you obligated, as a Lincoln descendant, to try and emulate his look?
Of course his name is Ralph. Made me think of that John Goodman movie King Ralph
Now that is a movie from long ago
Kneel before Zod
He’s really leaning into it.
No offense, but this looks AI generated
HA! TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT ALWAYS SAID I LOOK LIKE "APE LINCOLN" WHEN I GROW OUT ME BEARD I look NOTHING like this man BAHAHAHA
Yeah but you like me lobster right?
When being an 11th generation cousin of Lincoln is your whole personality
Seems rude to name a male descendant of Lincoln something so pedestrian. Eustice Lincoln. Merriweather Lincoln. Archibald Lincoln. Jebediah Lincoln. Not "Ralph."
Mordecai was right there
Looks like a backwater hillbilly
So, like Lincoln. Which honestly isn’t far from the truth
That backwater needs some chlorine
Looks AI generated
A malungeon, perhaps?
I’ve never seen that word used on Reddit before. Never heard it said outside of folks from Appalachia. You’ve brought back some interesting memories.
I read about the possibility of Lincoln being a Malungeon back in the 80s in some book about mysteries that I got out of the library. I've tucked that word into the recesses of my brain for 35+ years.
We'll invite him to the luncheon.
Abe Lincoln was considered a country hillbilly in his day too, when most presidents before him were born in Virginia and came from well-off families. He was famously born in a log cabin in Kentucky.
Avoid anyone named Boothe
Really milking it ay
Is he required by law to have that beard?
So... he built his entire identity around cosplaying a distant ancestor?
Lincoln's mother's siblings have descendants, and I'm one of them. One of those surviving family lines are the Hanks family, and among them is Tom Hanks. And my grandmother who was a Hanks. It's about as close as you get unless you subscribe to the conspiracy theory that there actually is a concealed offspring to one of Lincoln's grandsons.
You know what? I’m about to say it. I don’t care that you broke your elbow. Also this guy cuts his hair like that on purpose. Certified tool.
Dude if I found out I was related to Lincoln I'd be wearing the damn hat.
And maybe a helmet when I go to the theatre
Lmao noice
Who pissed in your cheerios?
Whereas Abraham looks like an Abraham, this guy definately looks like a Ralph.
His whole personality is trying to look like Abe
Why does he look AI generated?
11th generation cousin is basically meaningless, no? A random person you find on the street might be a closer relation than that?
I mean, does he cosplay at reenactmentments?
Really committing to the bit there pal, stay away from packed theaters.
It’s cool he didn’t make that distant relationship his entire identity
No one cares about an 11th gen cousin lmao
And I'm sure he is growing that beard and facial hair out for this exact reason. He should shave
Let him use the Animus
I feel bad for someone that tries so hard to be recognized as a distant relative, pave your own path dude. Poor guy.
He absolutely styles himself to look like Abe, though. An 11th-generation cousin is barely related
Strangely Reminds me of the Vault 13 overseer
Ralph really leaning into it
"Abe Lincoln has no living descendants. His son Edward died when he was 3, William died at age 11, and Tad died at 18. Robert Todd Lincoln was the only one to live into adulthood and have children. Of his children (Abraham’s grandchildren), Abe Lincoln II died without children, however both Mary and Jessie had kids. Abraham Lincoln’s three great grand children (Lincoln Isham, Mary Lincoln Beckwith, and Robert Todd Lincoln Beckwith) never had kids" ETA: saw this comment on a post about Ralph the other year. Shouts @GrandPriapus.
a little makeover and I’d hit it
Lose the beard and he’s just some normal ass ugly dude.
Do you think he’s contractually obligated to shave his upper lip to hype up the Lincoln-lookalike? Or do you think he does it just for funzies?
He looks like he does it for a living. Or at least for beer money.
So? What else has he done?
This is literally all he does. cosplaying while riding the Lincoln name. He made a career out of it
I was going to ask (non American over here) if the current descendants ever had shown political interest until I remembered what happened to their great great etc grandfather or cousin in this case.🤦🏽♀️
Well it hasn’t stopped the Kennedys.
Coat-tail riding motherfucker.
Someone is trying to cash in on an image, might as well wear his hat to complete the look,
And he wears that beard and hair style because that is his one claim to sad, obscure, semi-fame.
he looks more like Kevin Bacon and is probably more closely related to Kevin than he is to Abe
Alot of people look like that if they get than Amish bears hair cut
Ralph should find the 11th generation cousin of John Wilkes Booth ...and this time, it's personal
“WHO SAID THAT? WHICH ONE OF YALL DEAD MOTHERFUCKERS SAID THAT SHIT?”
All relatives are cursed with the same haircut and beard
Yes. Yes he is
Abraham Drinkin
Abradolf Linkler!
Cool. My new front runner for 2024. THIS GUY THAT LOOKS LIKE LINCOLN!
Idk why this makes me uncomfortable
Way to lean into it, Ralph
Back in the barn Mose or no beet soup for dinner!
This looks like AI to me