I think it's cool that there's pokemon that learn a lot of moves from outside of their types
Also, you can just TM Earthquake onto it anyway which is the only STAB that matters
>Do you know other pokemon who have this situation?
First thing that came to mind was Togepi line, by levelup they only learn Fairy Wind and then just a bunch of normal moves and ancient power
Slick design, highly flexible move pole, strong ability... the only downside is it kicked out Nidoking, who's also all those things but not a flying vampire with earthquake.
Back when Gligar and Gliscor had Roost, i used a mean asf Toxic + Sand Tomb + Roost Eviolite Gligar set that caused quite a few ragequits. And then, as if Gamefreak decided to curse the playerbase for the lulz, it created basically the same thing on steroids but not countered by Knock Off: Toxapex.
Gliscor lost roost this gen and idk why you'd fling your toxic orb when you can just click toxic instead and use the acrobatics move slot for protect or knock off or something.
Cause it's a fun gimmick they wouldn't be expecting.
XD
You could also replace toxic with something else. Or come up with a double battle combo with Oranguru who could pass another item to fling.
Maybe from the perspective of someone who'd be extremely competitive. I know I used too to be one.
I've laxed down alot and go for a more fun, gimmick stuff in pokemom battles these days, especially against battle with friends.
Flinging a big nugget (130 base power on that one) from my unburdened Sneasler was a highlight last week in my friend group.
I'm super partial to facade on my Gliscor with toxic orb, but I really like this fling acrobatic angle! I usually have swords dance too, but should I keep earthquake or facade? Or get rid of swords dance.
Back when Gligar and Gliscor had Roost, i used a mean asf Toxic + Sand Tomb + Roost Eviolite Gligar set that caused quite a few ragequits. And then, as if Gamefreak decided to curse the playerbase for the lulz, it created basically the same thing on steroids but not countered by Knock Off: Toxapex.
The purpose of trainers is so that Pokémon get stronger in ways that they wouldn’t be able to otherwise.
They don’t need to have good level up movesets
For competitive maybe, but it always hell to get them in mainstory. In SV, you will have to wait until post-game to get Earthquake TM. Also when people got a Flying pokemon, they would expect it to use Flying move as well.
You can get the Earthquake TM earlier than the post game by beating 5 trainers in Asado Desert then talking to the Pokemon League representative in one of Cascaraffa's Pokemon Centers. It's craftable after this point.
Whether you're using Gligar or Gliscor, Earthquake is necessary for them. In Scarlet/Violet, you can craft as many TMs as you want as long as you have enough materials and LP.
Idk the updated textures on all mons is pretty sweet, too. Metal mons being shining, scales and fur actually having a bit of a texture to them, eyes being 3d objects rather than just painted on.
Or non-berry consumable items beign restored after battle if held. Being able to use Throat Spray or Focus Sash for a playthrough is pretty neat.
Post gen 6 Snubbull line gets their first and only STAB move ridiculously late too, at level 37/43.
Physical fairy types everywhere are begging for an early-game physical fairy move (or at least make it learn the move a bit earlier... Azumarill gets it at level 25 and Dachsbun gets it at level 18, come on)
Have you seen almost every gen 1/2 and a few gen 3 mons in their respective games?
Dustox learns more psychic moves than poison moves ruby/sapphire/emerald.
RBY bugs and ghosts were a mere joke.
>Do you know other pokemon who have this situation?
You should see how bad it was in Gen 1.
Scyther's only STAB was Wing Attack in Yellow.
Pinsir had no STAB whatsoever.
Aerodactyl only had Flying STAB (and not good ones) unless you traded back from GSC to give it Rock Throw.
Gyarados only had Water STAB.
Being a Dragon type meant you had no Dragon STAB and being a Ghost type meant you only had Lick (and since we're talking about them, Dragonite's Flying STAB depended on tradeback and Gengar's Poison STAB was nonexistent).
Unless you're Hitmonlee, your Fighting STAB options sucked.
As good as Exeggutor ended up being, if you wanted Grass STAB, your options are Mega Drain and Solar Beam.
If Gliscor terastalizes, doesn't that expand the possibilities of STAB moves? I mean, I get your point, but the thing I really like about the terastalize thing is that you can get some wild combinations. idk, I like using my tera Fire Vaporeon to take down the Empoleon and Blastoise. I think it's funny to have a Fire-type immune to water attacks.
But when it terastalizes, it'll lose the ground immunity (unless tera flying), electric immunity (unless tera ground), and would become susceptible to whatever type it teras to weak. And it also loses the STAB on the moves it had STAB on initially
Though Tera Bug and having U-turn could be pretty decent.
According to [Bulbapedia](https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Terastal_phenomenon), Pokemon that terastalize do not lose STAB on attacks that match their underlying types. That is, a dual type pokemon will get STAB off of three different attack types. But yeah, you're right that it would lose immunities that it had previously.
Acrobatics is easier than ever to activate in SV, since consumable items (that aren't berries) are restored after a battle. So you can hold a Seed-item and pair it wiht a terrain and you'll both get a free stat boost and activate Acrobatics.
It's a support Mon. Look at all the status moves it gets and it's huge physical bulk and it's ability that makes it immune to status while simultaneously getting 2 leftovers per turn and you'll see it's not meant to be a super strong offensive threat unless it's using swords dance and even then it's attack stat is pretty average
I think it's cool that there's pokemon that learn a lot of moves from outside of their types Also, you can just TM Earthquake onto it anyway which is the only STAB that matters >Do you know other pokemon who have this situation? First thing that came to mind was Togepi line, by levelup they only learn Fairy Wind and then just a bunch of normal moves and ancient power
In fairness that line did start out as normal type. So it used to learn a lot of it's type. Albeit they're mostly just support moves too.
types for boosting moves is mostly cosmetic. Growth is normal, because it didn't matter that it wasn't grass in Gen 1.
>types for boosting moves is mostly cosmetic. Conversion enters the chat.
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Hell no I love Gliscor. Guys who look like Gligar has a 200% chance to grow up and be a top tier stallbreaker for five generations.
Cool 😎🤩
Poison Heal Gliscor with Roost, Fling, Acrobatics and Earthquake, Toxic Orb as an item. Fling the orb and you have two 100+BP stabs.
This and fangs/Leech Life makes it's on my "would be on my main party if I would live in pokeworld"
why would you have it in your pokeworld party? I really like this pokemon's design
Slick design, highly flexible move pole, strong ability... the only downside is it kicked out Nidoking, who's also all those things but not a flying vampire with earthquake.
Back when Gligar and Gliscor had Roost, i used a mean asf Toxic + Sand Tomb + Roost Eviolite Gligar set that caused quite a few ragequits. And then, as if Gamefreak decided to curse the playerbase for the lulz, it created basically the same thing on steroids but not countered by Knock Off: Toxapex.
Gliscor lost roost this gen and idk why you'd fling your toxic orb when you can just click toxic instead and use the acrobatics move slot for protect or knock off or something.
Cause it's a fun gimmick they wouldn't be expecting. XD You could also replace toxic with something else. Or come up with a double battle combo with Oranguru who could pass another item to fling.
Sounds like a lot of work for something that isn't very good.
Maybe from the perspective of someone who'd be extremely competitive. I know I used too to be one. I've laxed down alot and go for a more fun, gimmick stuff in pokemom battles these days, especially against battle with friends. Flinging a big nugget (130 base power on that one) from my unburdened Sneasler was a highlight last week in my friend group.
Fling big nugget isn't exactly gimmicky, it's sneasler's best way to hit gholdengo and was genuinely used in competitive prior to sneasler's ban.
When?
I just said prior to its ban.
No, when did anyone ask?
When the subject of the set was brought up.
I'm super partial to facade on my Gliscor with toxic orb, but I really like this fling acrobatic angle! I usually have swords dance too, but should I keep earthquake or facade? Or get rid of swords dance.
Back when Gligar and Gliscor had Roost, i used a mean asf Toxic + Sand Tomb + Roost Eviolite Gligar set that caused quite a few ragequits. And then, as if Gamefreak decided to curse the playerbase for the lulz, it created basically the same thing on steroids but not countered by Knock Off: Toxapex.
Early gen syndrome
There's not a lot of good physical flying moves. Gyarados suffers from the same problem.
Gligar and Gliscor already get Earthquake by TM. It’s the only STAB they need since that’s their strongest move.
yes but it's still weird that his learnset doesn't have many moves of his types. TMs are not innate but learned with the item.
The purpose of trainers is so that Pokémon get stronger in ways that they wouldn’t be able to otherwise. They don’t need to have good level up movesets
For competitive maybe, but it always hell to get them in mainstory. In SV, you will have to wait until post-game to get Earthquake TM. Also when people got a Flying pokemon, they would expect it to use Flying move as well.
You can get the Earthquake TM earlier than the post game by beating 5 trainers in Asado Desert then talking to the Pokemon League representative in one of Cascaraffa's Pokemon Centers. It's craftable after this point.
earthquake is alot of pokes best move though, is gligar the best one to get it?
Whether you're using Gligar or Gliscor, Earthquake is necessary for them. In Scarlet/Violet, you can craft as many TMs as you want as long as you have enough materials and LP.
literally that games singular tolerable feature
Idk the updated textures on all mons is pretty sweet, too. Metal mons being shining, scales and fur actually having a bit of a texture to them, eyes being 3d objects rather than just painted on. Or non-berry consumable items beign restored after battle if held. Being able to use Throat Spray or Focus Sash for a playthrough is pretty neat.
meh.
Post gen 6 Snubbull line gets their first and only STAB move ridiculously late too, at level 37/43. Physical fairy types everywhere are begging for an early-game physical fairy move (or at least make it learn the move a bit earlier... Azumarill gets it at level 25 and Dachsbun gets it at level 18, come on)
Have you seen almost every gen 1/2 and a few gen 3 mons in their respective games? Dustox learns more psychic moves than poison moves ruby/sapphire/emerald. RBY bugs and ghosts were a mere joke.
>Do you know other pokemon who have this situation? You should see how bad it was in Gen 1. Scyther's only STAB was Wing Attack in Yellow. Pinsir had no STAB whatsoever. Aerodactyl only had Flying STAB (and not good ones) unless you traded back from GSC to give it Rock Throw. Gyarados only had Water STAB. Being a Dragon type meant you had no Dragon STAB and being a Ghost type meant you only had Lick (and since we're talking about them, Dragonite's Flying STAB depended on tradeback and Gengar's Poison STAB was nonexistent). Unless you're Hitmonlee, your Fighting STAB options sucked. As good as Exeggutor ended up being, if you wanted Grass STAB, your options are Mega Drain and Solar Beam.
You didn't really want ghost STAB pre gen 4 unless you were Dustox or Banette, though. It being physical was kinda bad.
There was also the fact that most Dark types were physical attackers
If Gliscor terastalizes, doesn't that expand the possibilities of STAB moves? I mean, I get your point, but the thing I really like about the terastalize thing is that you can get some wild combinations. idk, I like using my tera Fire Vaporeon to take down the Empoleon and Blastoise. I think it's funny to have a Fire-type immune to water attacks.
But when it terastalizes, it'll lose the ground immunity (unless tera flying), electric immunity (unless tera ground), and would become susceptible to whatever type it teras to weak. And it also loses the STAB on the moves it had STAB on initially Though Tera Bug and having U-turn could be pretty decent.
Actually when you Tera you still keep the STAB on your original type(s).
According to [Bulbapedia](https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Terastal_phenomenon), Pokemon that terastalize do not lose STAB on attacks that match their underlying types. That is, a dual type pokemon will get STAB off of three different attack types. But yeah, you're right that it would lose immunities that it had previously.
That’s what TMs are for.
My poor boy Minior's only Flying STAB is Acrobatics (only from TM). May as well teach it Frustration, because that's how I feel about it.
Acrobatics is easier than ever to activate in SV, since consumable items (that aren't berries) are restored after a battle. So you can hold a Seed-item and pair it wiht a terrain and you'll both get a free stat boost and activate Acrobatics.
Shell Smash + White Herb + Acrobatics goes brrr
Gengar still doesn't learn a poison type move by level up.
Check it's TMs
Gligar gets Earthquake (100BP 100 Acc spread move) and High Horsepower (95BP 95 Acc Single Target move). What more Earth type STAB do you need?
Its one of my biggest pet peeves.
Teach it Earthquake by TM and you're good.
It's a support Mon. Look at all the status moves it gets and it's huge physical bulk and it's ability that makes it immune to status while simultaneously getting 2 leftovers per turn and you'll see it's not meant to be a super strong offensive threat unless it's using swords dance and even then it's attack stat is pretty average