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"Idaho, Texas, and other states with strict abortion bans are putting doctors in the difficult position of deciding when an emergency goes from health-threatening to life-threatening."
" And clinicians are expected to make these judgments under threat of severe criminal penalties."
>"Idaho, Texas, and other states with strict abortion bans are putting doctors in the difficult position of deciding when an emergency goes from health-threatening to life-threatening."
>" And clinicians are expected to make these judgments under threat of severe criminal penalties."
Alito and Thomas (putting fingers together like Montgomery Burns): "Exxxxcellent"
Don’t forget Barret. She’s a lunatic religious extremist. Every woman except her should be barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen making me pizza rolls…or at least that’s what they say. It’s weird they pointed me out by name tho. 🤔
Except there’s no panel since the answer is no. Doctors are leaving these areas instead so they don’t have to go to court every time they save a woman’s life.
You may miss the reference. The reference is the GOP have stated repeatedly that single payer or universal healthcare systems in the US would create death panels who would ultimately be in control of your health care under those systems.
But yes, medicine is a “business” and “businesses” seek to reduce their risks. Getting taken to court is certainly a risk and one that you can minimize by practicing where the likelihood is minimal.
We have universal health care here in tbevuk. Everyone that turns up at hospital gets treated no his turned away although our queues for some operation / treatment can be long. The health care in tbe UK is a government run service rather than a business
Although our conservative keep trying to destroy it sp they can make it a business
Kate Cox is a prime example of it literally happening. All the cases of miscarrying women being forced to continue with their pregnancy until they're at death's door are the same. The same for women with severe mental health complications, including victims of domestic abuse. There is a reason maternal mortality rates are much higher in states with such abortion restrictions. These are not feels:
https://sph.tulane.edu/news/study-finds-higher-maternal-mortality-rates-states-more-abortion-restrictions
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/10/27/1131410832/abortion-law-exception-fetal-anomaly
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/07/04/1185904719/texas-abortion-bans-dobbs-fetal-anomaly
https://idahocapitalsun.com/2023/05/10/her-fetus-had-1-chance-of-survival-idahos-ban-forced-her-to-travel-for-an-abortion/
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/06/politics/kate-cox-texas-abortion/index.html
https://people.com/health/beauty-youtuber-texas-forced-to-carry-dead-fetus-for-2-weeks-after-miscarriage-due-to-ban-on-abortion/
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/11/15/1135882310/miscarriage-hemorrhage-abortion-law-ohio
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/16/health/abortion-texas-sepsis/index.html
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/04/25/1171851775/oklahoma-woman-abortion-ban-study-shows-confusion-at-hospitals
https://abcnews.go.com/US/woman-sepsis-life-saving-abortion-care-texas/story?id=99294313
https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2022/05/restricting-abortion-mental-health-harms
https://19thnews.org/2023/10/medical-exceptions-abortion-bans-mental-health-conditions/
https://www.psychiatrist.com/news/abortion-restrictions-may-increase-suicide-risk-in-young-women/
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2024/abortion-bans-impact-on-mental-health
If you’re warned what the outcomes will be and you go ahead anyway, that’s intentional. The warnings about what would happen if Roe fell were ignored. That makes it 100% intentional. This is exactly what we said would happen. They didn’t care.
Heck, we didn't just say it would happen. We said it has happened. It happened in the US before Roe. It happened in Ireland. It's happened in other countries as well. Abortion is proven to be a necessary right.
[Donald Trump: 'There Has To Be Some Form Of Punishment' For Women Who Get Abortions If They Become Illegal](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/donald-trump-abortions/)
Cruelty is the point. Punishment for abortion or miscarriage.
You sure you want to come here and play silly games ?
“He’s not hurting the people he needs to be”: a Trump voter says the quiet part out loud
I dont get it with you guys, WE HAVE AUDIO VIDEO.
They absolutely do. They think women should have sex for the sole purpose of procreation. They think abortions punish only women who have sex for pleasure and they're totally fine with that.
> They absolutely do.
Absolutely. I'm the personal recipient of a childhood of religious indoctrination, and in that moral framework, a woman's period and pregnancies are punishment for Eve's sin. No joke, said unironically. Women have to suffer, are meant to suffer, thanks to that bit of dumbfuckery.
These people center their entire lives, and that of anyone around them, on bad fanfiction. Look up the story of Lilith, Adam's first wife that was made to be his equal. The christians hated that notion and wrote her out and made Eve, the submissive sub-man who they can blame all their problems on.
If you want to look outside their idiotic fantasy bubble, they're all narcisistic controlling chucklefucks that exist only to spread their own misery and self-hatred.
I think it's even worse than that in some ways - more than they don't see pregnant women as deserving consequences. They see pregnant women as a non entity - not really worth effort either way. Go to any pro life message board and you will find not a single pro lifer expressing any amount of shock or sadness over these women's stories. They don't want to fight for these lives. They don't really even want to discuss them. They just aren't important at all.
Like the famous quote from Elie Wiesel - the opposite of love isn't hate; it's indifference.
It's that the majority of people who are pro forced birth won't be affected by these decisions. They're either male or have already gone through menopause. Won't affect *them*, why should they care?
Literally the loon in my town who stands out of abortion clinics with a “pray to end abortion” sign is an older man, women of childbearing age don’t want to sleep with him. He’s out there throughout regular work hours so is likely taking benefits do to this.
All while my state has a constitutional right to medical privacy, the anti abortion nuts keep trying regardless of our constitutional rights here.
You don’t have to convince yourself, you’re right. Scratch a pro-lifer & you find you find seething retribution for a woman “opening her legs” under the paint job.
They’ve always been like this.
Not just women but child rape victims too 😐
Even besides that aspect of it, expecting the entire US population to abstain until ready for their 20th kid is so unrealistic I think anyone wanting that or thinking it's possible is legitimately insane.
So glad these decisions are made by the great nine wise ones instead of leaving it to individual women and medical professionals who would only make a mess of things.
I am 13 weeks pregnant and had a layover in Dallas. It was only a few hours but the thought crossed my mind that I would be absolutely fucked if I had an emergency with the baby during that layover. That is absolutely insane.
There's a train from Edmonton to Montreal, then you could catch the Adirondack to NYC, then the Acela to Philly. You could be there in as little as a week!
I almost died last year because of Georgia's heartbeat law. My waters broke while my body was septic, but the doctors couldn't do anything until I delivered my 15 week old baby. They didn't know how bad it was until it got really bad. I ended up hemorrhaging severely and woke up on a ventilator in the ICU. I almost lost my uterus in the process. There are consequences to these cruel bills.
I contacted all of my representatives to share my story and no one responded. It's so disheartening to lose your baby and almost lose your life - and no one cares.
I'd say the anti-reproductive healthcare agenda negatively impacts anyone who isn't a gay man with no family who never wants to have children, but there also isn't a reason for gay people to vote for these politicians.
It's not just about reproduction. It's about control over your body, period. Your health care should not be subject to any kind of government oversight. Think about health care for trans people and how these legislators are trying to intervene in that as well.
I agree (although I would say healthcare choices shouldn't be subject to government oversight, while providers should still be subject to scrutiny for failing to meet healthcare standards). But in targeting abortion access, and persecuting doctors and nurses, they're targeting all of reproductive healthcare, including every wanted pregnancy, every child who could lose a mother, everyone who could lose a partner, sister, daughter, etc.
The people who are anti abortion/ pro pregnancy death either don’t want us to have rights at all or are perfectly ok with giving up everyone else’s for their personal choice.
We have long established guidelines to provide the best care for pregnant women. Yet the provision of such medical care is now being left to the whims of justices instead of medical evidence.
What a dystopia.
*There can be no justification for a judge making a doctors choice, ever*.
Just by taking up this case they have shit on jurisprudence. Fuck the illegitimate Supreme Court and their fraudulent decisions
This is fascinating. All of the law is made up. All of it is some people telling others how to behave. Yet it’s glaringly obvious: To quote Wilhoit: There are in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
Someone in my circle said that abortion should be legal, but women who have abortion should be put on a public list where everyone can search up their names " just like a sexual predator so you know what you are getting into" ! This person is not religious or cares about babies. It is pure conservative impotence rage and hate towards women. I was flabbergasted.
If cancer treatment were to cause an abortion in a pregnant mother, would the mother have to wait until it’s either stage 4 or until vital signs start to drop before treatment could be started?
Oh it starts earlier than that - they won't do chemo on someone pregnant. Because it could cause an abortion. So if you find out you have cancer while you're pregnant in one of these states, you're screwed.
Doesn't she already have 5 or 6 kids? How can she even justify having a job and leaving her husband at home alone for so long? He pastor really needs to have an intervention and let her children tell her how unfair it is that they come second in her life.... or something /s
And that is exactly the kind of thing Democrats in Congress should be shouting on every news program...the GOp is creating death panels for women. Dems never go for hyperbole and it hits us every time.
Their logic is going to be, "We have to sit here digging up obscure laws from the 1600's to justify the corporate feudalism our owners expect from us until we're damn near dead, why shouldn't everyone else suffer too?"
For anti-abortion crowd, the answer is “yes”.
And don’t call them pro-life, they seem just fine with taking lives in pretty much all circumstances but one.
I'm glad I fled to a decent state in my youth where we have strong protections for abortion and LGBTQ+ rights into law.
We are in for some really crazy times if the court ok's hospitals telling women they can't have an abortion even in a healthcare emergency situation. We will see the continued collapse of healthcare in states like Texas, Idaho, Missouri, etc. And you can't have a stable state with huge numbers of doctors leaving and not being replaced.
They won't have enough votes to get a nationwide abortion ban no matter how this election shakes out. Even Nikki "Stanicky" Haley has been vocal about that. My state made homosexuality legal in the 60's. I think very often people who have never left Red states think that your local government doesn't do much in the way of making your life better. But it does. Your state and local government are what impacts your quality of life the most. Federal government doesn't have the resources to go prosecute marijuana crimes in legal states where states won't assist and they won't have the resources to go after states like Illinois for having queer people working in schools and banning book bans.
Your fear mongering doesn't work on me anymore. I may not be able to travel to Florida or most of the south for the rest of my life but I'm safe in the state I live in.
I’m very confused by your response. I know I am exaggerating, though not by much, in my earlier comment but the rest of your response is almost incoherent. Do you think I am in favor of what the gop is doing? You can vote in your local elections but mine and many other areas are too red for our votes to mean much. Then you have states like Texas where the state can and does overrule local protections, are you fine with that as long as you personally are safe?
My point with the earlier comment is that republicans won’t play by the rules once they have any degree of power. They have repeatedly shown that they will not act in good faith so you cannot just sit by and assume that you will be safe.
I don’t know about you but I don’t want a country where I have to stay out of certain states for fear of my own safety.
You know you are exaggerating, but a lot of the people reading comments like yours won't know that and will get afraid of things that aren't possible.
Republicans won't play by the rules, that's for sure. But they don't have enough votes to do the things you're talking about as you know as you said you are exaggerating.
>I don’t know about you but I don’t want a country where I have to stay out of certain states for fear of my own safety.
I don't want that either, but there is currently no path around that unfortunately. Nobody on our side is going to play hardball with the national budget or disaster funding to states like Florida to force them to change their policies toward LGBTQ people or abortion. Outside of that or some seismic shift in national politics, this is just where we are. I don't like it much either, but I can at least be safe in Illinois and I am. I would not be safe if I were still living in Missouri, and I would have no path to changing Missouri within my lifetime. That's just our current reality.
If EMTALA does not apply to half of the population don't expect hospitals who are already short staffed and underfunded to contuine to treat men either
This came very close to happening to my best friend. Her twins died in utero at around week 8 for one and 10 for the other. Her doctor kept telling her she’d pass the babies naturally for two weeks after the second one died. Then twiddles his thumbs another week before scheduling more tests and ultrasounds until it got to be mid week 13 and I told her to put her foot down because he wasn’t checking the results between week-apart appointments. She ended up getting the pills with under a week left by our state laws and still needing a procedure. It really was like he was trying to make her go past the date or something, or waiting until she got sick from it.
They will rule in a way that makes them seem empathetic to get the vote this year, hoping to win the presidency. Then they will completely flip and go ape shit and everyone can fuck off.
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"Idaho, Texas, and other states with strict abortion bans are putting doctors in the difficult position of deciding when an emergency goes from health-threatening to life-threatening." " And clinicians are expected to make these judgments under threat of severe criminal penalties."
>"Idaho, Texas, and other states with strict abortion bans are putting doctors in the difficult position of deciding when an emergency goes from health-threatening to life-threatening." >" And clinicians are expected to make these judgments under threat of severe criminal penalties." Alito and Thomas (putting fingers together like Montgomery Burns): "Exxxxcellent"
Don’t forget Barret. She’s a lunatic religious extremist. Every woman except her should be barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen making me pizza rolls…or at least that’s what they say. It’s weird they pointed me out by name tho. 🤔
Alito needs to [redacted].
Sounds like a death panel to me!
Fuckin' A right, it is!
Except there’s no panel since the answer is no. Doctors are leaving these areas instead so they don’t have to go to court every time they save a woman’s life.
You may miss the reference. The reference is the GOP have stated repeatedly that single payer or universal healthcare systems in the US would create death panels who would ultimately be in control of your health care under those systems. But yes, medicine is a “business” and “businesses” seek to reduce their risks. Getting taken to court is certainly a risk and one that you can minimize by practicing where the likelihood is minimal.
We have universal health care here in tbevuk. Everyone that turns up at hospital gets treated no his turned away although our queues for some operation / treatment can be long. The health care in tbe UK is a government run service rather than a business Although our conservative keep trying to destroy it sp they can make it a business
Bunch of malarkey!
Cruelty is the goal, not an unintended collateral.
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Kate Cox is a prime example of it literally happening. All the cases of miscarrying women being forced to continue with their pregnancy until they're at death's door are the same. The same for women with severe mental health complications, including victims of domestic abuse. There is a reason maternal mortality rates are much higher in states with such abortion restrictions. These are not feels: https://sph.tulane.edu/news/study-finds-higher-maternal-mortality-rates-states-more-abortion-restrictions https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/10/27/1131410832/abortion-law-exception-fetal-anomaly https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/07/04/1185904719/texas-abortion-bans-dobbs-fetal-anomaly https://idahocapitalsun.com/2023/05/10/her-fetus-had-1-chance-of-survival-idahos-ban-forced-her-to-travel-for-an-abortion/ https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/06/politics/kate-cox-texas-abortion/index.html https://people.com/health/beauty-youtuber-texas-forced-to-carry-dead-fetus-for-2-weeks-after-miscarriage-due-to-ban-on-abortion/ https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/11/15/1135882310/miscarriage-hemorrhage-abortion-law-ohio https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/16/health/abortion-texas-sepsis/index.html https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/04/25/1171851775/oklahoma-woman-abortion-ban-study-shows-confusion-at-hospitals https://abcnews.go.com/US/woman-sepsis-life-saving-abortion-care-texas/story?id=99294313 https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2022/05/restricting-abortion-mental-health-harms https://19thnews.org/2023/10/medical-exceptions-abortion-bans-mental-health-conditions/ https://www.psychiatrist.com/news/abortion-restrictions-may-increase-suicide-risk-in-young-women/ https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2024/abortion-bans-impact-on-mental-health
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Women have still been harmed because these abortion restrictions *intentionally* omit health exceptions.
If it wasn't intentional, pro life groups would be trying to fix it. They're not. At all.
If you’re warned what the outcomes will be and you go ahead anyway, that’s intentional. The warnings about what would happen if Roe fell were ignored. That makes it 100% intentional. This is exactly what we said would happen. They didn’t care.
Heck, we didn't just say it would happen. We said it has happened. It happened in the US before Roe. It happened in Ireland. It's happened in other countries as well. Abortion is proven to be a necessary right.
“Unintential” harm is still HARM!!!
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[Donald Trump: 'There Has To Be Some Form Of Punishment' For Women Who Get Abortions If They Become Illegal](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/donald-trump-abortions/) Cruelty is the point. Punishment for abortion or miscarriage.
Crazy, he responds to all except this one. Who could have seen that coming?
I mean, he’s only going to respond to comments that he can successfully strawman.
They did a dirty delete
“Based on nothing but feelings” sounds like the entire Republican platform.
Ignore him. He’s one of those edgy types who thinks that stoicism is all about divorcing feelings and emotion from all conscious thought.
You sure you want to come here and play silly games ? “He’s not hurting the people he needs to be”: a Trump voter says the quiet part out loud I dont get it with you guys, WE HAVE AUDIO VIDEO.
I’m still convinced these people see sexually active women as damaged good who deserve consequences.
They absolutely do. They think women should have sex for the sole purpose of procreation. They think abortions punish only women who have sex for pleasure and they're totally fine with that.
> They absolutely do. Absolutely. I'm the personal recipient of a childhood of religious indoctrination, and in that moral framework, a woman's period and pregnancies are punishment for Eve's sin. No joke, said unironically. Women have to suffer, are meant to suffer, thanks to that bit of dumbfuckery.
These people center their entire lives, and that of anyone around them, on bad fanfiction. Look up the story of Lilith, Adam's first wife that was made to be his equal. The christians hated that notion and wrote her out and made Eve, the submissive sub-man who they can blame all their problems on. If you want to look outside their idiotic fantasy bubble, they're all narcisistic controlling chucklefucks that exist only to spread their own misery and self-hatred.
The almost 30,000 women in Texas who have given birth to rape babies since Roe V. Wade was overturned would likely disagree.
I think it's even worse than that in some ways - more than they don't see pregnant women as deserving consequences. They see pregnant women as a non entity - not really worth effort either way. Go to any pro life message board and you will find not a single pro lifer expressing any amount of shock or sadness over these women's stories. They don't want to fight for these lives. They don't really even want to discuss them. They just aren't important at all. Like the famous quote from Elie Wiesel - the opposite of love isn't hate; it's indifference.
“She could have kept her legs closed” all forced birthers at some point.
They just do what the Texas SCOTUS, tell them it sounds like a malpractice issue.
Married women also terminate pregnancies, even if they are wanted. These ghouls want women to suffer for the crime of being women.
The majority of abortions are conducted on women with children already.
Sounds like they want the male loneliness epidemic to flourish.
It's that the majority of people who are pro forced birth won't be affected by these decisions. They're either male or have already gone through menopause. Won't affect *them*, why should they care?
Literally the loon in my town who stands out of abortion clinics with a “pray to end abortion” sign is an older man, women of childbearing age don’t want to sleep with him. He’s out there throughout regular work hours so is likely taking benefits do to this. All while my state has a constitutional right to medical privacy, the anti abortion nuts keep trying regardless of our constitutional rights here.
You don’t have to convince yourself, you’re right. Scratch a pro-lifer & you find you find seething retribution for a woman “opening her legs” under the paint job. They’ve always been like this.
Not just women but child rape victims too 😐 Even besides that aspect of it, expecting the entire US population to abstain until ready for their 20th kid is so unrealistic I think anyone wanting that or thinking it's possible is legitimately insane.
This also affects married Christian women is the thing though. Do these people really value their mothers, wives, sisters, and daughters so little?
💯% Controlling/punishing women is their way.
So glad these decisions are made by the great nine wise ones instead of leaving it to individual women and medical professionals who would only make a mess of things.
There are still a few of those “great nine” who DO want to leave it to individual women and medical professionals.
I am 13 weeks pregnant and had a layover in Dallas. It was only a few hours but the thought crossed my mind that I would be absolutely fucked if I had an emergency with the baby during that layover. That is absolutely insane.
I’d stay the hell out of these places for the next 7 months… or longer
You bring up a good (and scary) point.
Fuck layovers! All flights should be direct!
Could also be forced to land there if there's an emergency while on the plane.
That’s true and should be a thing. But layovers intentionally? Nah
Unfortunately there are no direct flights from Calgary to Philadelphia. Otherwise, I'm with you.
Well, there should be one then! Or a direct way to get to there. Railways or what not.
A train from Calgary to Philly?
There's a train from Edmonton to Montreal, then you could catch the Adirondack to NYC, then the Acela to Philly. You could be there in as little as a week!
Need a direct train! Also, need to start in Calgary, after driving from Golden, BC.
Something direct yeah
Fuck the big airlines, we should all fly on private jets!
That works too. But at the very least, there should be enough public flights to go directly from anywhere to anywhere.
there should be enough railroads that we don't have to use planes
Agreed. They can make them quite fast now when they want to.
I almost died last year because of Georgia's heartbeat law. My waters broke while my body was septic, but the doctors couldn't do anything until I delivered my 15 week old baby. They didn't know how bad it was until it got really bad. I ended up hemorrhaging severely and woke up on a ventilator in the ICU. I almost lost my uterus in the process. There are consequences to these cruel bills.
I’m so sorry. This country failed you.
I contacted all of my representatives to share my story and no one responded. It's so disheartening to lose your baby and almost lose your life - and no one cares.
They deserve to have their houses protested outside of.
I’m so sorry 😞
So sorry to hear this.
SCOTUS is a joke
Jokes are funny. SCOTUS is a tragedy.
Comedy = Tragedy + Time
Do any of our rights mean anything, if you don't have a right to your own body?
Are you a woman? Then apparently the answer is "no" according to these ghouls.
I'd say the anti-reproductive healthcare agenda negatively impacts anyone who isn't a gay man with no family who never wants to have children, but there also isn't a reason for gay people to vote for these politicians.
It's not just about reproduction. It's about control over your body, period. Your health care should not be subject to any kind of government oversight. Think about health care for trans people and how these legislators are trying to intervene in that as well.
I agree (although I would say healthcare choices shouldn't be subject to government oversight, while providers should still be subject to scrutiny for failing to meet healthcare standards). But in targeting abortion access, and persecuting doctors and nurses, they're targeting all of reproductive healthcare, including every wanted pregnancy, every child who could lose a mother, everyone who could lose a partner, sister, daughter, etc.
This very much still affects the gay men who happen to be trans. A pregnancy can cause a lot of dysphoria for a trans man I imagine.
Yes.
In that project 2025, trans people cease to exist.
The ghoul formerly known as Coop Howard would be insulted.
The same Gouls don’t want women voting or working either
The people who are anti abortion/ pro pregnancy death either don’t want us to have rights at all or are perfectly ok with giving up everyone else’s for their personal choice.
You have to enforce it...
This is what trump voters wanted in 2016 and 2020.
When politicians play doctor. And yes, the conservative and corrupt right wingers in the court are politicians. Unelected life time politicians.
We have long established guidelines to provide the best care for pregnant women. Yet the provision of such medical care is now being left to the whims of justices instead of medical evidence. What a dystopia.
*There can be no justification for a judge making a doctors choice, ever*. Just by taking up this case they have shit on jurisprudence. Fuck the illegitimate Supreme Court and their fraudulent decisions
This is fascinating. All of the law is made up. All of it is some people telling others how to behave. Yet it’s glaringly obvious: To quote Wilhoit: There are in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
Republicans will always be able to get abortions for their mistresses and daughters
Real 21st century legal questions: Are doctors allowed to provide lifesaving heathcare to women? JFC.
Someone in my circle said that abortion should be legal, but women who have abortion should be put on a public list where everyone can search up their names " just like a sexual predator so you know what you are getting into" ! This person is not religious or cares about babies. It is pure conservative impotence rage and hate towards women. I was flabbergasted.
I think we need a registry of people like them.
Just buy a bus ticket and wear an aspirin, duh. Why should these people even be involved in medical decisions?
If cancer treatment were to cause an abortion in a pregnant mother, would the mother have to wait until it’s either stage 4 or until vital signs start to drop before treatment could be started?
Oh it starts earlier than that - they won't do chemo on someone pregnant. Because it could cause an abortion. So if you find out you have cancer while you're pregnant in one of these states, you're screwed.
Under his eye
Blessed be the fruit
May the LORD open!
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Doesn't she already have 5 or 6 kids? How can she even justify having a job and leaving her husband at home alone for so long? He pastor really needs to have an intervention and let her children tell her how unfair it is that they come second in her life.... or something /s
To people like Amy Coney Barrett, this is not a grim reality, it is God's will, and she will be at peace with it.
I can't say what I want to happen to her...
Something something death panels the GOP warmed us about?
So Republican judges are creating real death panels? Everything the GOP says is projection.
And that is exactly the kind of thing Democrats in Congress should be shouting on every news program...the GOp is creating death panels for women. Dems never go for hyperbole and it hits us every time.
They don’t t care.
Their logic is going to be, "We have to sit here digging up obscure laws from the 1600's to justify the corporate feudalism our owners expect from us until we're damn near dead, why shouldn't everyone else suffer too?"
For anti-abortion crowd, the answer is “yes”. And don’t call them pro-life, they seem just fine with taking lives in pretty much all circumstances but one.
I wonder what they would think if someone advocated the death penalty for people who advocate for policies which put women's lives in jeopardy.
“Under Idaho’s ban, women are being put on hospital planes and flown out of state.” I don’t even have the words…
So the choice is allow doctors to do what they think is necessary or face a mass exodus of doctors from red states. Good job republikkkans.
I'm glad I fled to a decent state in my youth where we have strong protections for abortion and LGBTQ+ rights into law. We are in for some really crazy times if the court ok's hospitals telling women they can't have an abortion even in a healthcare emergency situation. We will see the continued collapse of healthcare in states like Texas, Idaho, Missouri, etc. And you can't have a stable state with huge numbers of doctors leaving and not being replaced.
Don’t worry, they will come for your state too if they win in November
They won't have enough votes to get a nationwide abortion ban no matter how this election shakes out. Even Nikki "Stanicky" Haley has been vocal about that. My state made homosexuality legal in the 60's. I think very often people who have never left Red states think that your local government doesn't do much in the way of making your life better. But it does. Your state and local government are what impacts your quality of life the most. Federal government doesn't have the resources to go prosecute marijuana crimes in legal states where states won't assist and they won't have the resources to go after states like Illinois for having queer people working in schools and banning book bans. Your fear mongering doesn't work on me anymore. I may not be able to travel to Florida or most of the south for the rest of my life but I'm safe in the state I live in.
I’m very confused by your response. I know I am exaggerating, though not by much, in my earlier comment but the rest of your response is almost incoherent. Do you think I am in favor of what the gop is doing? You can vote in your local elections but mine and many other areas are too red for our votes to mean much. Then you have states like Texas where the state can and does overrule local protections, are you fine with that as long as you personally are safe? My point with the earlier comment is that republicans won’t play by the rules once they have any degree of power. They have repeatedly shown that they will not act in good faith so you cannot just sit by and assume that you will be safe. I don’t know about you but I don’t want a country where I have to stay out of certain states for fear of my own safety.
You know you are exaggerating, but a lot of the people reading comments like yours won't know that and will get afraid of things that aren't possible. Republicans won't play by the rules, that's for sure. But they don't have enough votes to do the things you're talking about as you know as you said you are exaggerating. >I don’t know about you but I don’t want a country where I have to stay out of certain states for fear of my own safety. I don't want that either, but there is currently no path around that unfortunately. Nobody on our side is going to play hardball with the national budget or disaster funding to states like Florida to force them to change their policies toward LGBTQ people or abortion. Outside of that or some seismic shift in national politics, this is just where we are. I don't like it much either, but I can at least be safe in Illinois and I am. I would not be safe if I were still living in Missouri, and I would have no path to changing Missouri within my lifetime. That's just our current reality.
The answer is yes from these ghouls,religious freaks and zealots. Actually they’d just rather women die if they’re not good,useful breeders!
What kind of country do we live in? No one should be allowed to do this, and it's insane we're just *letting* them do it.
If EMTALA does not apply to half of the population don't expect hospitals who are already short staffed and underfunded to contuine to treat men either
This came very close to happening to my best friend. Her twins died in utero at around week 8 for one and 10 for the other. Her doctor kept telling her she’d pass the babies naturally for two weeks after the second one died. Then twiddles his thumbs another week before scheduling more tests and ultrasounds until it got to be mid week 13 and I told her to put her foot down because he wasn’t checking the results between week-apart appointments. She ended up getting the pills with under a week left by our state laws and still needing a procedure. It really was like he was trying to make her go past the date or something, or waiting until she got sick from it.
Whats going on over there¿
So the Supreme Court is a death panel?
Nice going killing women assholes
Insanity
In for a penny, in for a pound. Let’s go Justices, get extra Draconian and own your decisions.
Pregnant women are already being turned away at hospital ERs
Wow
Fuck Idaho and fuck the Supreme Court
Except for them and their families, of course 😌
how many hospitals have to close and how many doctors have to leave red states before they get the hint?
They will rule in a way that makes them seem empathetic to get the vote this year, hoping to win the presidency. Then they will completely flip and go ape shit and everyone can fuck off.
Republicans hate women too.
I'm just going to leave this here: https://youtu.be/wInNjr_9D28?feature=shared
Why doesn't the government just legislate on this?
Nice country you have there. I hear the guy who brought you all of this is leading to get the job back.