Nah man… listen to some of his old stuff. He has an old Pre Faux News routine bitching about how, as a successful straight white guy he’s everyone’s default asshole.
He stopped at that then. Not sure how he’s expand on it now, but it came up on shuffle and I kinda had to stop and re evaluate my feelings on him.
He had some solid material but also some absolute shit. An awful lot of it was just charismatic sarcasm.
Jackson saw 9/11 and wrote a song about love and rememberance and mourning.
Keith saw 9/11 and wrote a song about America getting revenge.
Country music saw those 2 options and went all in on Keith's style.
You’re very right to blame 9/11 for the most recent big shift in country: https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/episode-119-how-the-right-shaped-pop-country-music
It starts with Henry Ford propping up square dancing as an alternative to jazz, goes through Nixon’s Southern Strategy media blitz, and ends at 9/11 and a wave of xenophobia and racism in the music industry
I’ve genuine been disputing this point for a while now. So many systems and institutions went under a terrifyingly rapid change post 9/11. From general messaging in American music, to pop culture, to video games, to tv shows of all ages, to politics, etc..
2001 was essentially the beginning of the end in my eyes.
If you were country,
you’d save your land from being spoiled.
Do you drink water? Do you breathe air?
[If you were really country, you would fucking care.](https://youtu.be/zHA1AA3rTNA?si=9sAiOLnhlPY0tBfV&t=1m7s)
Sam Elliott doesn't really play conservative roles. There is nothing in his resume that portrays him as a "conservative" (racist, intolerant, religious). So he doesn't even act differently in films vs real life
The Republican party does not get to claim dominion over every southern/rural person.
They think anyone who wears a cowboy hat or talks in a southern draw is "their people".
Pretty much. I've been called a traitor for a few years because I have a deep southern accent, but proudly vote blue and have for years. The GOP likes to think they own the south/rural areas and certainly tries to claim that they do.
Hard to find many successful conservative artists, the thought patterns that lead to good art are incompatible with rigid adherence to hierarchy and cowing to authority.
I think you’ve set up an interesting dichotomy regarding what we regard as a “country super star”. On the one hand, I agree Dolly’s legend will outlive Garth’s in the culture and her name is more globally renowned, but on the other Garth has outsold Dolly (and it isn’t even close), plays larger crowds (and it isn’t even close; I saw Dolly at the state fair) and is credited with dragging Nashville onto the Billboard Hot 100 all by himself (sorry, Billy Ray Cyrus).
I think you’re both right.
On the other hand, Dolly has had 26 no. 1s on the BIllboard country charts (a record for female artists), 42 top 10 country albums (a record for anyone), been on country music charts for seven decades (the most of any artist), and has 11 Grammys and 50 nominations (the second most of any female artist). So, I'll agree that Brooks draws bigger crowds and sells more records, but Dolly is also a monumental artist in her own right and definitely a "Country Super Star".
People will still be singing Jolene and I will Always Love You centuries from now.
I just learned that when I was at Dollywood a few weeks ago. She has a new museum there. She was remastering the songs and found the original tape. The songs were on the same tape, meaning she likely wrote them on the same day and didn't realize it until long after the fact.
They both have sold over 100 million records. With those kinds of numbers, statistically, something like one in two Americans would own a Dolly Parton or Garth Brooks album. So it's kind of reached the point where it doesn't matter who's sold the most, because 100+ million solidifies your place in the American culture. Dolly walked so crossover artists like Garth and Taylor could run.
Back before the 2020 election Garth had a concert in Detroit and wore a Barry Sanders jersey on stage. Barry wore 20, so a lot of conservatives went ape shit because they thought he was endorsing Bernie Sanders.
Even Skynyrd, the redneck’s patron saints, had super liberal lyrics.
Gun control: Saturday Night Special
Anti racism: Curtis Loew, Sweet Home Alabama. It might not be obvious, but the song is a response to Niel Young that basically says, not all southerners are racists, we tried to vote out our racist governor, etc.
Even anti slut shaming! On The Hunt (that one might be a stretch, haha.)
>“She is liberal, or is that just an act?” Trump asked during his interview with Setoodeh. “She’s legitimately liberal? It’s not an act? It surprises me that a country star can be successful being liberal.”
Think about that for a minute. Trump is suggesting that Swift is just *pretending* to be liberal. He then acknowledges that it would be better for her genre to be Conservative. So... Trump is suggesting that Swift is pretending to be liberal in order to... sell less music?
The truth is that Trump lacks empathy, he's not liberal so he can't imagine anyone else liberal, so Swift is obviously a fake liberal, and then Businessman Trump whose Businesses have all lost tremendous amounts of money gives Swift business advice of being more like him! But he can't fathom people having different opinions or doing things different than him, so the vomit of words come out that logically makes little sense.
I think it's even stupidly simpler than that. Trump is a shell of a human and "stands by nothing" (his own quote). He takes on whatever stance or opinion that helps himself and refuses to commit to any opinion without knowing exactly how it will help his bottom line. That's why, even when complaining on Fox News about not getting softball questions about his favorite milkshake, he refused to answer that exact question when they asked him that question directly unplanned. He doesn't understand that others can have actual opinions and ideologies, and truly believe and live by those; his whole life is an act to make money by any means necessary and he thinks everyone else's is also.
This. He literally knows nothing about her, her values, what she has to deal with, and that she is a serious businesswoman. She doesn't want to live in a world where she can't shine because some insecure douchecanoe finds it a threat to his masculinity.
She has real people who stalk her and threaten to hurt her and laws that weaken protections for women against that sort of thing are not in her best interest.
She may want a child one day, but in the meantime she wants to have access to proper health care and contraception. She has time, and a lot she wants to accomplish before then.
And look, I am no swiftie, but goddamn if I don't respect her as a person.
Plus she was the recipient of a whole defamation lawsuit for her complaining to management that someone under their employ groped her.
The guy literally thought he could get away with it and she would just accept it. When she did not, and he had to face consequences for treating her like an object, he threw a legal temper tantrum to try and bully her into recanting. She then countersued for a dollar, and *destroyed* him on the witness stand.
She does not seem to be the kind of person who will demurely let men rule over her.
I do not think billionaires should exist, it is a fundamental problem with the economy, but the idea that she *must* be conservative just because she is rich is pretty telling with regard to how he and people like him think. She is rich, so they think she should be on their side in the class war automatically, even if it is entirely outside of her best interest.
She's one of the few billionaires that made her money directly and not by taking huge advantage of the working class to get there. She even paid her tour staff and merch support big bonuses.
Yeah I have no idea what her moral character is like on that level. My objection is systemic more than against her as a person. She does seem to take care of her people at least.
Conservatives have done that since the very inception of conservatism.
Mostly because what they want isn't compatible with a democratic society, but I digress.
"he's not liberal so he can't imagine anyone else liberal"
Wrong. Trump is a conman. He is not a liberal, or a conservative. He's a grifter who spent most most of his life self identified as a democrat. He says whatever he has to say to appeal to whomever he thinks he needs to appeal to in pursuit of money and power.
You got it wrong. Trump knows it’s much easier to dupe republicans fans so it’s crazy for him how anyone won’t pretend to be Republican and drain out a few million dumbs.
I mean, as he does. He absolutely has no idea what’s the policy differences between a lib and a conservative
As recently as the 1980s, there was Farm Aid, in which Willie Nelson and others organized a huge country show to raise awareness of issues facing family farms in America. Which is a pretty liberal thing to do.
Of course, farmers are heavily subsidized… but it’s only soshulizm when *other* people get government help.
Anytime there's a democrat who increase tax in some way or another or passes a regulation of something, there's always, ALWAYS, an exemption for farmers. Democrats have done more for the rural working class farmer than a republican ever has. In fact, they're the only ones doing things for farmers.
The corporatization of record labels and radio stations basically eliminated all the protest singers in America. They replaced it with stadium country that just repeats the and things and has no real message.
It's really sad because these days people spend so much of their brain power thinking about politics but there's no political music.
Sturgill, Sierra Ferrel, Margo Price, etc. most country music is still pretty liberal and still pretty good music despite what gets branded as country on the radio.
The trump loving band Alabama once sang the words, “Daddy was a veteran, a Southern Democrat, They ought to get a rich man to vote like that.”
Oh how times have changed, although it’s not like the Dixie-crats were all that progressive on the subject of race.
Well, it depends on when you're talking. Henry Ford pushed country music as a safe white alternative to jazz and pumped millions into country music clubs.
So, country has been used by white conservatives for this purpose for a hundred years or more. https://www.blac.media/news-features/how-did-country-music-become-so-white-blame-henry-fords-war-on-jazz/
That being said, yes. A lot of good music creators throughout history have been what we'd consider 'progressive.'
Neither is Springsteen but that still won't stop right wing mouth breathers from playing Born in the USA like it's a conservative rallying cry (despite the fact that that song too is like the polar opposite of what they think it is.)
She can't, really. She plays at venues that have a known legal capacity and recorded ticket sales. She is far better at making money that Trump has ever been.
Vietnam happened. That's when you see a clear divide between old school country that was pro worker, socially liberal, and pretty socialist in a lot of ways; to the modern "God, Guns, Beer and a Tractor" bs country.
Vietnam definitely had a hand in shifting the politics of Country music, but I'd argue that the new talent that came in shortly before and directly after the 9/11 attacks have ultimately solidified country as conservative music.
New country is more about "God, Guns and Beer" than much of the older stuff ever was, and they got rid of the tractor because it doesn't factor into their theme anymore, it's been replaced with a clapped out Chevy that starts 25% of the time.
It was this, 30 years of Rush and his clones convincing dumb white guys that it was those liberal do gooders fault that they weren't getting the respect and rewards that should be their natural right and inheritance as white guys by giving a leg up to those other people, you know who they mean.
This is all a result of not enforcing anti-trust and media ownership concentration. We're past time for some enthusiastic Trust busting.
Woody Guthrie (folk legend, country music-adjacent) famously wrote THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS on his guitar.
This was in the 1930s. How disappointed Guthrie would be that we’re still fighting them today.
🎵...and all creeds and kinds and colors of us are blending
Till, I suppose, ten million years from now
We'll all be just alike
Same color, same size, working together
And maybe we'll have all of the fascists out of the way by then🎵
I'm not so sure about that.
My sister in law likes country music and I will sometimes ask how she ranks Taylor Swift among country music stars as a joke, knowing full well that Taylor hasn't been country for a long time.
Trump is stuck in 2012.
Conversely, it surprises many of us that Trump has not accidentally died from blithely walking into traffic because he has head shoved up his diapered ass.
I think this is largely due to the fact that Trump avoids walking at all.
Trying to imagine him walking around an urban area for any reason is actually sort of amusing.
There are plenty of super famous liberal country stars including:
* Garth Brooks
* Dolly Parton
* Jennifer Nettles
* Faith Hill and Tim McGraw
* Kris Kristofferson
* Kacey Musgraves
* Martina McBride
* Johnny Cash (I know he is obviously passed away)
* Tyler Hubbard
* Tyler Childers
* Wllie Nelson
* Trisha Yearwood
Like literally that is some of the biggest country singers of all time and I am sure there are others this was just off my head.
Yes, MAGA. Please continue to go after Taylor Swift and Dolly Parton. Please. Let me know how that works out for you at the ballot box , you freaking idiots.
He complained when P[arasite won the Oscar](https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/feb/20/trump-parasite-oscar-south-korea) for Best Picture.
Safe to say, he'll complain about K-pop soon enough.
MAGA will never get over Taylor Swift. She is a blue-eyed, blonde who started her career in country music. It infuriates them that she isn’t their Aryan princess. They thought she was a lock.
Woody 'This guitar kills fascists' Guthrie had a song Old Man Trump, about the racist housing practices and discriminatory rental policies of his landlord, Fred Trump
https://youtu.be/jANuVKeYezs?si=HU2AmgpYquvznYUe
Merle Haggard sang, "American ranching consists of a mansion, where illegal immigrants do much of the labor by hand. They sneak 'em through customs till time comes to bust 'em, then haul 'em back over the border to their own native land. With a ragged sombrero and not much dinero,
they'll be back again when the ole Rio Grande's way down low. So border patroller don't stop the stroller, cause the illegal immigrant is helping America grow."
Johnny Cash sang, "I wear the black for the poor and the beaten down, Livin' in the hopeless, hungry side of town,
I wear it for the prisoner who has long paid for his crime,
But is there because he's a victim of the times."
Loretta Lynn sang, "All these years I've stayed at home
while you had all your fun and every year that's gone by another baby's come. There's a gonna be some changes made right here on nursery hill. You've set this chicken your last time cause now I've got the pill."
Despite its rural conservative reputation, the legends of country music have always had a progressive political bent.
It's a mystery isn't it
[Taylor Swift Speaks Out Against Supreme Court Overturning Roe v. Wade: ‘I’m Absolutely Terrified’.
The pop star also shared a statement written by former first lady Michelle Obama condemning the Supreme Court decision](https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/taylor-swift-supreme-court-roe-v-wade-reaction-1235105807/)
Let's be clear here. Country music is more popular with a certain rural white audience than say some other ethnic urban dwellers. This is a call to support White Nationalism by suggesting Country Music fans should not listen to Taylor. She is therefore to be intimidated into not saying things in support of liberal or Democrat causes.
It's far less surprising that a lifelong Democrat that pretends to be a Republican presidential candidate just because he knows Democrats won't accept him.
Conservatives don't have empathy. They don't legitimately understand how others can have different viewpoints. Trump assumes she is pretending to be a Democrat for personal gain because she would benefit from Republican tax policies, and then his mind randomly connects other thoughts to further convince himself - the 'country star' bit. He has never listened to her, nor would he, because he has no interest in other people unless they are praising him. He just knows that the media makes a big deal about this and it detracts from attention of him.
Pro-cop far right wing country musicians are a new thing. I wonder how much liberal leanings have affected Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash, Chris Kristopherson, Waylon Jennings, Dolly Parton, etc.
Never been a fan of country, but there has always been a big segment of it (sadly seems smaller now) that pushed working-class progressive ideas, a more empathic Christianity, and a libertarian-lite distrust of both left **and** right wing government intrusion.
Trump was surprised that healthcare is complicated.
He was surprised the initials of United States spells “us”.
He was surprised Sharper Image couldn’t sell stakes!
He’s a f***ing moron.
Two words: Willie Nelson.
But the interviewee in question isn't too bright, and has never personally done anything for principle rather than choosing the path toward the most advantage to him personally. I'm not surprised he got confused.
LINOs, lmfao, just wait - they haven't used that term but I'm fucking hysterically laughing because like, if she's not a liberal than what is she? [Transformersesque intro style stinger] Republicans in Disguise!!
I used to think they only did these things because they were idiots but now I'm starting to legitimately think they've backed themselves into a thought corner and now 1984 double-think is literally their only avenue to escape it without admiting they're fucking morons
As if Trump is an actual conservative! That would imply that he has principles! He will say or do anything that satisfies the immediate needs of his ego!
Doesn’t this get to the very heart of conservative cancel culture bullshit? You can’t possibly like someone if they aren’t a member of your tribe? Isn’t this what they are whining about when people pull support for bigots? How is this different?
Pretty sure hardly anyone classifies Taylor Swift as country anymore. She started out that way, for sure, but I would think she'd be considered more of a pop artist now.
Convicted felon and rapist , Donald Trump, is a dingbat. He’s surprised by people who tell the truth. Taylor earned her money through hard work and talent. He can’t relate to not being famous through lying and grifting, She has no time for this con man fool.
She's not country. She was when she was like 17 lol. Beyonce, however, is country now. They are both Democrats, though. Although Jay-Z is pulling some shitty school voucher bullshit in Philly that is not so great. But Beyonce owns his ass so whatever.
Garth Brooks is a Democrat, and the most played country song is somehow still friends in low places. Republicans are hypocrites and idiots.
Woody Guthrie: "This machine kills fascists" Country music was always liberal. Industrialized hick hop, maybe not.
Hick-hop oh god that's beautiful
I blame 9/11.
9/11 broke Toby Keith.
And Charlie Daniels
Charlie Daniels was already on the evangelical train before 9/11.
There’s 2 types of Charlie Daniels songs: 1) hippy country, 2) America, Fuck Yeah country.
And Dennis Miller.
Nah man… listen to some of his old stuff. He has an old Pre Faux News routine bitching about how, as a successful straight white guy he’s everyone’s default asshole. He stopped at that then. Not sure how he’s expand on it now, but it came up on shuffle and I kinda had to stop and re evaluate my feelings on him. He had some solid material but also some absolute shit. An awful lot of it was just charismatic sarcasm.
Toby Keith capitalizing on 9/11 and inadvertently altering mainstream country music is my Roman Empire
And Alan Jackson
Oh no. Is Alan Jackson a MAGA Republican??
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Jackson saw 9/11 and wrote a song about love and rememberance and mourning. Keith saw 9/11 and wrote a song about America getting revenge. Country music saw those 2 options and went all in on Keith's style.
You’re very right to blame 9/11 for the most recent big shift in country: https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/episode-119-how-the-right-shaped-pop-country-music It starts with Henry Ford propping up square dancing as an alternative to jazz, goes through Nixon’s Southern Strategy media blitz, and ends at 9/11 and a wave of xenophobia and racism in the music industry
I blame Reagan and Rush Limpball
I’ve genuine been disputing this point for a while now. So many systems and institutions went under a terrifyingly rapid change post 9/11. From general messaging in American music, to pop culture, to video games, to tv shows of all ages, to politics, etc.. 2001 was essentially the beginning of the end in my eyes.
And The Patriot Act.
"I write songs for the people who do / Jobs in the towns that I'd never move to"
Hear that subtle mandolin / that's textbook panderin'
Y’all dumb motherfuckers want a key change?
"Drop another barnyard beat on us DJ Corn!" "It's Mix Master Festus."
If you were country, you’d save your land from being spoiled. Do you drink water? Do you breathe air? [If you were really country, you would fucking care.](https://youtu.be/zHA1AA3rTNA?si=9sAiOLnhlPY0tBfV&t=1m7s)
Hick Hop lol I'm using that thank you
Surprised it’s the first time you’ve heard it. It’s been a term for a long while now
I wonder if Donny has heard of this little known artist named Willie Nelson?
His song "We Shall Be Free" is also full of progressive ideals.
That was always my favorite song when I was a little gay kid in north Texas in the 90s.
Sam Elliot. I know a few cons who were super upset and surprised he did ads for Biden Because actors can't ya know *act* differently from who they are
Sam Elliott doesn't really play conservative roles. There is nothing in his resume that portrays him as a "conservative" (racist, intolerant, religious). So he doesn't even act differently in films vs real life The Republican party does not get to claim dominion over every southern/rural person. They think anyone who wears a cowboy hat or talks in a southern draw is "their people".
His turn on parks and rec is still beautiful ahhahaha
Pretty much. I've been called a traitor for a few years because I have a deep southern accent, but proudly vote blue and have for years. The GOP likes to think they own the south/rural areas and certainly tries to claim that they do.
Amen brother.
Sorry man. You shouldn’t be judged based on your heritage or your voice. It should be your choice that makes you a man.
At this point, I roll with it. Surprising the idiots that are quick to judge gives me a smile.
Well, if you enjoy surprising idiots, than we have that in common.
It was hilarious watching their heads explode when Brokeback Mountain came out.
He's possibly the biggest country super star ever.
Dolly Parton.
Also pretty damn progressive.
Willie Nelson too
But what happened to Kenny Rogers - dude turned MAGA.
I dunno, but it killed him.
He chose to hold ‘em when he should have folded ‘em.
He took that one last swallow and faded into sleep and somewhere in the darkness he broke even. Just stay away from that damn ace.
Who is also pretty liberal. As is Tim McGraw, Faith Hill and Willie Nelson.
Obligatory Dixie Chick mention.
I think they just go by “The Chicks” now!
Not Ready To Make Nice is still the anthem to this day.
Absolutely love a country band that told W to go fuck himself. Also they're just a legitimately good band.
Kris Kristofferson!
Ray Wylie Hubbard literally wrote a song called 'Up Against The Wall, Redneck Mother'
Hard to find many successful conservative artists, the thought patterns that lead to good art are incompatible with rigid adherence to hierarchy and cowing to authority.
I think you’ve set up an interesting dichotomy regarding what we regard as a “country super star”. On the one hand, I agree Dolly’s legend will outlive Garth’s in the culture and her name is more globally renowned, but on the other Garth has outsold Dolly (and it isn’t even close), plays larger crowds (and it isn’t even close; I saw Dolly at the state fair) and is credited with dragging Nashville onto the Billboard Hot 100 all by himself (sorry, Billy Ray Cyrus). I think you’re both right.
On the other hand, Dolly has had 26 no. 1s on the BIllboard country charts (a record for female artists), 42 top 10 country albums (a record for anyone), been on country music charts for seven decades (the most of any artist), and has 11 Grammys and 50 nominations (the second most of any female artist). So, I'll agree that Brooks draws bigger crowds and sells more records, but Dolly is also a monumental artist in her own right and definitely a "Country Super Star". People will still be singing Jolene and I will Always Love You centuries from now.
She wrote those songs on the same day. (According to some AI voice in my YouTube shorts that aren't about cats or microwaving unmixed cake recipes.)
I just learned that when I was at Dollywood a few weeks ago. She has a new museum there. She was remastering the songs and found the original tape. The songs were on the same tape, meaning she likely wrote them on the same day and didn't realize it until long after the fact.
Also, film credits solidify pop culture status. Dolly has "9 to 5" and "The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas" as credits.
Food for thought: I don't see Garth Brooks singing a beloved classic with Metal legend Rob Halford of Judas Priest.
That’s Chris Gaines’ territory there.
Garth sang a cover on a KISS tribute album some years ago.
He sang on Rolling Stones tribute album as well!
They both have sold over 100 million records. With those kinds of numbers, statistically, something like one in two Americans would own a Dolly Parton or Garth Brooks album. So it's kind of reached the point where it doesn't matter who's sold the most, because 100+ million solidifies your place in the American culture. Dolly walked so crossover artists like Garth and Taylor could run.
By money and album sales, Garth Brooks still may be bigger.
What a great fucking song, though.
And now conservatives are turning on him because of it.
Maren Morris and Kacey Mushraves- outspoken allies and queens
Back before the 2020 election Garth had a concert in Detroit and wore a Barry Sanders jersey on stage. Barry wore 20, so a lot of conservatives went ape shit because they thought he was endorsing Bernie Sanders.
And now christo-fascists.
Even Skynyrd, the redneck’s patron saints, had super liberal lyrics. Gun control: Saturday Night Special Anti racism: Curtis Loew, Sweet Home Alabama. It might not be obvious, but the song is a response to Niel Young that basically says, not all southerners are racists, we tried to vote out our racist governor, etc. Even anti slut shaming! On The Hunt (that one might be a stretch, haha.)
Tyler Childers, Chris Stapleton, and Zack Bryan have all expressed progressive leanings and they're all current successful country singers
Friends in low places is a banger especially if you play the extra verse.
She hasn't been a "country star" for like 10 years
Well, it’s not like Trump cares about being factual
He's thinking about when her career started when she was 14. That's also why he just called her attractive.
She's got the Ivanka look of being thin, with blue eyes, and blond hair. Damn, what a creep
Yeah, that was when she was young enough to be a 'conquest' now she's too old.
>“She is liberal, or is that just an act?” Trump asked during his interview with Setoodeh. “She’s legitimately liberal? It’s not an act? It surprises me that a country star can be successful being liberal.” Think about that for a minute. Trump is suggesting that Swift is just *pretending* to be liberal. He then acknowledges that it would be better for her genre to be Conservative. So... Trump is suggesting that Swift is pretending to be liberal in order to... sell less music? The truth is that Trump lacks empathy, he's not liberal so he can't imagine anyone else liberal, so Swift is obviously a fake liberal, and then Businessman Trump whose Businesses have all lost tremendous amounts of money gives Swift business advice of being more like him! But he can't fathom people having different opinions or doing things different than him, so the vomit of words come out that logically makes little sense.
I think it's even stupidly simpler than that. Trump is a shell of a human and "stands by nothing" (his own quote). He takes on whatever stance or opinion that helps himself and refuses to commit to any opinion without knowing exactly how it will help his bottom line. That's why, even when complaining on Fox News about not getting softball questions about his favorite milkshake, he refused to answer that exact question when they asked him that question directly unplanned. He doesn't understand that others can have actual opinions and ideologies, and truly believe and live by those; his whole life is an act to make money by any means necessary and he thinks everyone else's is also.
That's a perfect character study of him. And some other sociopaths like Elon and bezos.
Also Trump thinks Taylor is still a country music star and has not converted over to general POP
i think its way more petty then that. she is a billionaire and as such needs to be a GOP and give trump money for tax breaks.
its simpler than that. shes white.
He’s too busy thinking about himself being converted to general pop
This. He literally knows nothing about her, her values, what she has to deal with, and that she is a serious businesswoman. She doesn't want to live in a world where she can't shine because some insecure douchecanoe finds it a threat to his masculinity. She has real people who stalk her and threaten to hurt her and laws that weaken protections for women against that sort of thing are not in her best interest. She may want a child one day, but in the meantime she wants to have access to proper health care and contraception. She has time, and a lot she wants to accomplish before then. And look, I am no swiftie, but goddamn if I don't respect her as a person.
Plus she was the recipient of a whole defamation lawsuit for her complaining to management that someone under their employ groped her. The guy literally thought he could get away with it and she would just accept it. When she did not, and he had to face consequences for treating her like an object, he threw a legal temper tantrum to try and bully her into recanting. She then countersued for a dollar, and *destroyed* him on the witness stand. She does not seem to be the kind of person who will demurely let men rule over her. I do not think billionaires should exist, it is a fundamental problem with the economy, but the idea that she *must* be conservative just because she is rich is pretty telling with regard to how he and people like him think. She is rich, so they think she should be on their side in the class war automatically, even if it is entirely outside of her best interest.
She's one of the few billionaires that made her money directly and not by taking huge advantage of the working class to get there. She even paid her tour staff and merch support big bonuses.
Yeah I have no idea what her moral character is like on that level. My objection is systemic more than against her as a person. She does seem to take care of her people at least.
The other missing piece is that Swift could be conservative and **still** endorse Biden over fascism.
Just like he pretends to be conservative. Now he has completely ruined the definition of conservative.
Conservatives have done that since the very inception of conservatism. Mostly because what they want isn't compatible with a democratic society, but I digress.
"he's not liberal so he can't imagine anyone else liberal" Wrong. Trump is a conman. He is not a liberal, or a conservative. He's a grifter who spent most most of his life self identified as a democrat. He says whatever he has to say to appeal to whomever he thinks he needs to appeal to in pursuit of money and power.
He’s not conservative either. He was a democrat until Obama became president.
You got it wrong. Trump knows it’s much easier to dupe republicans fans so it’s crazy for him how anyone won’t pretend to be Republican and drain out a few million dumbs. I mean, as he does. He absolutely has no idea what’s the policy differences between a lib and a conservative
Early country was full of liberals singing about the plight of the working class. Hell, it was basically the punk of its day.
Jonny Cash had a song about shooting a cop on principle, that's pretty punk.
As recently as the 1980s, there was Farm Aid, in which Willie Nelson and others organized a huge country show to raise awareness of issues facing family farms in America. Which is a pretty liberal thing to do. Of course, farmers are heavily subsidized… but it’s only soshulizm when *other* people get government help.
There wouldn’t be a family owned farm in America without FDR.
Anytime there's a democrat who increase tax in some way or another or passes a regulation of something, there's always, ALWAYS, an exemption for farmers. Democrats have done more for the rural working class farmer than a republican ever has. In fact, they're the only ones doing things for farmers.
Funny how the right just loves to claim things they never invented as their own because they don’t have a creative bone in their bodies
Yeah a lot of actual classic country singers like Steve Earle were openly socialist.
Gotta love Steve Earle!
The corporatization of record labels and radio stations basically eliminated all the protest singers in America. They replaced it with stadium country that just repeats the and things and has no real message. It's really sad because these days people spend so much of their brain power thinking about politics but there's no political music.
A lot of the new breed of outlaw country is quite liberal. See Tyler Childers.
Sturgill, Sierra Ferrel, Margo Price, etc. most country music is still pretty liberal and still pretty good music despite what gets branded as country on the radio.
The trump loving band Alabama once sang the words, “Daddy was a veteran, a Southern Democrat, They ought to get a rich man to vote like that.” Oh how times have changed, although it’s not like the Dixie-crats were all that progressive on the subject of race.
Sweet potato pie and I shut my mouth!
Well, it depends on when you're talking. Henry Ford pushed country music as a safe white alternative to jazz and pumped millions into country music clubs. So, country has been used by white conservatives for this purpose for a hundred years or more. https://www.blac.media/news-features/how-did-country-music-become-so-white-blame-henry-fords-war-on-jazz/ That being said, yes. A lot of good music creators throughout history have been what we'd consider 'progressive.'
Dixie chicks arent conservative
If they were they would have dropped the Chicks instead of the Dixie.
And Lady A would still be Lady Antebellum
I never understood why The Dixie Chicks didn't immediately pivot to a more pop sound after country fans dropped them. They were already halfway there.
They sort of did. Then they won their first grammy! Have u watched Shut Up and Sing? Its really great
Neither is Springsteen but that still won't stop right wing mouth breathers from playing Born in the USA like it's a conservative rallying cry (despite the fact that that song too is like the polar opposite of what they think it is.)
And Taylor Swift doesn’t lie about her crowd size.
She can't, really. She plays at venues that have a known legal capacity and recorded ticket sales. She is far better at making money that Trump has ever been.
A lot the old country singers were pretty socialist, pro union just saying. Its more modern country has taken a right wing turn.
Vietnam happened. That's when you see a clear divide between old school country that was pro worker, socially liberal, and pretty socialist in a lot of ways; to the modern "God, Guns, Beer and a Tractor" bs country.
Vietnam definitely had a hand in shifting the politics of Country music, but I'd argue that the new talent that came in shortly before and directly after the 9/11 attacks have ultimately solidified country as conservative music. New country is more about "God, Guns and Beer" than much of the older stuff ever was, and they got rid of the tractor because it doesn't factor into their theme anymore, it's been replaced with a clapped out Chevy that starts 25% of the time.
It's more like a few corporations bought all the radio stations and record labels. They won't sign out play anything socialist or pro union.
It was this, 30 years of Rush and his clones convincing dumb white guys that it was those liberal do gooders fault that they weren't getting the respect and rewards that should be their natural right and inheritance as white guys by giving a leg up to those other people, you know who they mean. This is all a result of not enforcing anti-trust and media ownership concentration. We're past time for some enthusiastic Trust busting.
Woody Guthrie (folk legend, country music-adjacent) famously wrote THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS on his guitar. This was in the 1930s. How disappointed Guthrie would be that we’re still fighting them today.
Funny enough Guthrie also has a song about how shitty a landlord Fred Trump was. Check out Old Man Trump.
What a shitty family, lol. Getting dragged across generations.
🎵...and all creeds and kinds and colors of us are blending Till, I suppose, ten million years from now We'll all be just alike Same color, same size, working together And maybe we'll have all of the fascists out of the way by then🎵 I'm not so sure about that.
Isn't there some guy named Willie Nelson?
My sister in law likes country music and I will sometimes ask how she ranks Taylor Swift among country music stars as a joke, knowing full well that Taylor hasn't been country for a long time. Trump is stuck in 2012.
Convicted felon Donald Trump needs to rethink his priorities.
Conversely, it surprises many of us that Trump has not accidentally died from blithely walking into traffic because he has head shoved up his diapered ass.
I think this is largely due to the fact that Trump avoids walking at all. Trying to imagine him walking around an urban area for any reason is actually sort of amusing.
There are plenty of super famous liberal country stars including: * Garth Brooks * Dolly Parton * Jennifer Nettles * Faith Hill and Tim McGraw * Kris Kristofferson * Kacey Musgraves * Martina McBride * Johnny Cash (I know he is obviously passed away) * Tyler Hubbard * Tyler Childers * Wllie Nelson * Trisha Yearwood Like literally that is some of the biggest country singers of all time and I am sure there are others this was just off my head.
To add to the list, I think The Chicks (formerly The Dixie Chicks) might be liberal, if not leftist.
They are very liberal.
Maren Morris
well, he is a well known idiot…
Yes, MAGA. Please continue to go after Taylor Swift and Dolly Parton. Please. Let me know how that works out for you at the ballot box , you freaking idiots.
I am 100% certain Taylor Swift is not pretending.
We saw _Cats_, we know she's not that good of an actress. Well, I'm sure _someone_ saw _Cats_...
Not till they release the butthole cut
Skimbleshanks! The railway cat! The cat of the railway train!
Some of country’s all time greats have had liberal views.
Well, the Swifties won’t like that. Next I suggest he mention that K-Pop just “isn’t that good.”
He complained when P[arasite won the Oscar](https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/feb/20/trump-parasite-oscar-south-korea) for Best Picture. Safe to say, he'll complain about K-pop soon enough.
MAGA will never get over Taylor Swift. She is a blue-eyed, blonde who started her career in country music. It infuriates them that she isn’t their Aryan princess. They thought she was a lock.
Known Rapist, Convicted felon, Election loser. Questions peoples leaning?
She expanded from being just a country act ages ago, ya old fart.
Coming from the guy that used the village people YMCA song for his rallies? This guy just gets creepier by the day
Woody 'This guitar kills fascists' Guthrie had a song Old Man Trump, about the racist housing practices and discriminatory rental policies of his landlord, Fred Trump https://youtu.be/jANuVKeYezs?si=HU2AmgpYquvznYUe
You don't need to be liberal to see what a slimey piece of shit Trump is.
We really need a new name for tractor pop, because that crap isn't country.
Trump’s insecure that arguably the biggest current celebrity doesn’t support him.
They are still baffled by Willie Nelson. MAGA are not deep thinkers.
And Dolly Parton.
Garth Brooks, Dolly Parton, Willie Nelson..
Merle Haggard sang, "American ranching consists of a mansion, where illegal immigrants do much of the labor by hand. They sneak 'em through customs till time comes to bust 'em, then haul 'em back over the border to their own native land. With a ragged sombrero and not much dinero, they'll be back again when the ole Rio Grande's way down low. So border patroller don't stop the stroller, cause the illegal immigrant is helping America grow." Johnny Cash sang, "I wear the black for the poor and the beaten down, Livin' in the hopeless, hungry side of town, I wear it for the prisoner who has long paid for his crime, But is there because he's a victim of the times." Loretta Lynn sang, "All these years I've stayed at home while you had all your fun and every year that's gone by another baby's come. There's a gonna be some changes made right here on nursery hill. You've set this chicken your last time cause now I've got the pill." Despite its rural conservative reputation, the legends of country music have always had a progressive political bent.
It's a mystery isn't it [Taylor Swift Speaks Out Against Supreme Court Overturning Roe v. Wade: ‘I’m Absolutely Terrified’. The pop star also shared a statement written by former first lady Michelle Obama condemning the Supreme Court decision](https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/taylor-swift-supreme-court-roe-v-wade-reaction-1235105807/)
She’s a pop star now idiot
Let's be clear here. Country music is more popular with a certain rural white audience than say some other ethnic urban dwellers. This is a call to support White Nationalism by suggesting Country Music fans should not listen to Taylor. She is therefore to be intimidated into not saying things in support of liberal or Democrat causes.
"A country star? Being liberal?" Woodie Guthrie says hi.
The Dixie Chicks (circa 2003) have entered the chat...
It's far less surprising that a lifelong Democrat that pretends to be a Republican presidential candidate just because he knows Democrats won't accept him.
Is Taylor Swift still country?
No. Hasn't been for a decade at least.
The right sure worries about Taylor Swift a lot. Dont they have Ted Nugent and Kid Rock???
Dolly Parton…just an unknown.
Conservatives don't have empathy. They don't legitimately understand how others can have different viewpoints. Trump assumes she is pretending to be a Democrat for personal gain because she would benefit from Republican tax policies, and then his mind randomly connects other thoughts to further convince himself - the 'country star' bit. He has never listened to her, nor would he, because he has no interest in other people unless they are praising him. He just knows that the media makes a big deal about this and it detracts from attention of him.
Pro-cop far right wing country musicians are a new thing. I wonder how much liberal leanings have affected Willie Nelson, Johnny Cash, Chris Kristopherson, Waylon Jennings, Dolly Parton, etc.
Who else thinks this is because she pretty, and blond, and that he should never be allowed anywhere near her.
Taylor Swift is country??? That's the more mind breaking statement to me...
Never been a fan of country, but there has always been a big segment of it (sadly seems smaller now) that pushed working-class progressive ideas, a more empathic Christianity, and a libertarian-lite distrust of both left **and** right wing government intrusion.
I mean, rednecks were founded on “fuck the police,” unions, and power to people.
Way to let the youth know how out of touch you are...
All country stars are pro democracy, Benedict Donald. Some are just defrauded by you.
Just wait till this guy hears about Garth Brooks and Dolly Parton
The amount of things this man does not understand could stun a team of oxen.
Is it even smart for him to mention Taylor Swift. If she endorses Biden the whole election is over.
Wait, I need to agree with artists political beliefs to like their music? Damn
Her Swifties may lock it in for Joe. You go, girl!
Lol he's probably trying to undermine her influence if she eventually supports Biden as we get closer to the election
Republicans think this is everyone because everything they do is an act to gain power. So they assume everyone is like them
Trump was surprised that healthcare is complicated. He was surprised the initials of United States spells “us”. He was surprised Sharper Image couldn’t sell stakes! He’s a f***ing moron.
Two words: Willie Nelson. But the interviewee in question isn't too bright, and has never personally done anything for principle rather than choosing the path toward the most advantage to him personally. I'm not surprised he got confused.
Dolly Parton. Is she not counted as country anymore?
LINOs, lmfao, just wait - they haven't used that term but I'm fucking hysterically laughing because like, if she's not a liberal than what is she? [Transformersesque intro style stinger] Republicans in Disguise!! I used to think they only did these things because they were idiots but now I'm starting to legitimately think they've backed themselves into a thought corner and now 1984 double-think is literally their only avenue to escape it without admiting they're fucking morons
Almost everything he says is uniformed and downright stupid
As if Trump is an actual conservative! That would imply that he has principles! He will say or do anything that satisfies the immediate needs of his ego!
I think all this proves is that Trump doesn't actually know any country stars
Taylor reminds him of his daughter. Perverted orange man.
Doesn’t this get to the very heart of conservative cancel culture bullshit? You can’t possibly like someone if they aren’t a member of your tribe? Isn’t this what they are whining about when people pull support for bigots? How is this different?
Pretty sure hardly anyone classifies Taylor Swift as country anymore. She started out that way, for sure, but I would think she'd be considered more of a pop artist now.
Sounds like someone is getting a little tired of the Kid Rock and Ted Nugent concerts.
Convicted felon and rapist , Donald Trump, is a dingbat. He’s surprised by people who tell the truth. Taylor earned her money through hard work and talent. He can’t relate to not being famous through lying and grifting, She has no time for this con man fool.
I don’t see how anyone on his team could possibly think starting another fight with Taylor Swift can possibly be beneficial for him.
I don't know. How can someone with the IQ of a turnip convince 40+% of the people in the country to vote for him?
If this is to entice her to say “vote republican” I don’t think it’s working
In what year is this man living in that he thinks that Taylor Swift is still a country artist?
She's not country. She was when she was like 17 lol. Beyonce, however, is country now. They are both Democrats, though. Although Jay-Z is pulling some shitty school voucher bullshit in Philly that is not so great. But Beyonce owns his ass so whatever.
The fact that he thinks Taylor is still a "country star" shows how out of touch he is
They so wish Taylor was a MAGA.