I have always found these rules prohibiting goers to bring their own water to be so stupid.
I hope this will be a standard for venues all over the world to abolish this stupid rule in the future.
i understand it’s to stop people bringing in alcohol (at least that the reasoning where i live) and i understand that keep people safer, however, i think that in conjunction with that being a rule a free water needs to be handed to everyone upon entry, and should be available at everyone’s convenience, or have free water taps everywhere around the stadium.
>it’s to stop people bringing in alcohol
And to stop them bringing in dangerous liquids (or that's just my city because we had a huge series of acid attacks one year)
Wow. That genuinely blows my mind. I’ve been one of the ones waiting for hours in the sun to get a great spot to see gaga, but I’m in northeastern USA so it’s wildly different.
I'm just spitballing idk what it looked like that night but that seems like a really good reason then to keep water coolers nearby and easily accessible in all parts of the venue.
That's so that it takes away one less blunt object, cause [when a cap is on a bottle, it keeps mass contained and makes a heavier impact, acting as a projectile](https://www.cbs17.com/news/investigators/answer-desk/why-do-they-take-water-bottle-caps-at-concern-venues/), especially if it's used as part of the trend of throwing things on stage.
I figured as much. But I just find it silly since there’s no fucking way I could launch a bottle cap with enough force to get it anywhere near a stage. If I could, then I deserve a world record title lol
It’s not the cap itself, but more so that a filled, sealed, bottle creates a ~1kg object that can go flying and injure someone.
Without a cap the liquid will come flying out and make it much lighter.
I mean... [if a fucking *Skittle* at the right angle and speed almost took out Harry Styles' eye](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniesoteriou/harry-styles-hit-eye-skittles), I wouldn't say that's impossible tbh lol
It's also the fact that if there's a good amount of water in the bottle, all you'd need to do is seal it up with the cap and throw with force to do any amount of damage, not necessarily about the cap itself.
An EDM festival I went to a few months ago gave out free water to attendees (as long as they had a bottle/h20 pack to put it in). It’s a shame more venues won’t do this kind of thing.
Totally agree, promoters will argue that the bottles can be thrown but it’s obvious they just want to charge a premium for water inside the venue. Because what’s stopping somebody from throwing a bottle bought inside the stadium?
The videos from the show of fans crying out for water while Taylor is trying to get some to them are so distressing to watch. I've seen reports of 1000 people fainting as well as Ana's tragic death. The circumstances last night were so dangerous and I really hope than fan safety is properly taken when deciding whether or not to go ahead with the show tonight in even worse heat
Me too I can’t get it out of my head. I woke up in the middle of the night, so I scrolled for a while and saw that. I had a dream about it and thought about it immediately when I woke up. It’s awful.
Shit this is horrible. HORRIBLE.
I nearly fainted at a concert over here in May 2023. HAIM came to perform and, I don’t know, something came over me. I had to ask the girl beside me, “hey is it ok if I hold you for a bit? I’m not feeling so good.” A complete stranger. Then I started feeling extremely dizzy and unsteady and felt terrified. I started voicing out. “Wowww guysguysguysguys. I’m not good.” Somebody somehow managed to RUN to the area where they were selling water (i was standing in GA and it was packed) (This shouldn’t be the case. Fans should be able to bring water to concerts - especially when it’s hot asf!) and ran back to me, held me, and watched me hydrate myself. Those girls made sure I was okay.
I have been going to concerts for decades now, and I have never fainted at a single one. This was a close call. Complete strangers saved me and went out of their way to make sure I was hydrated.
These venues need to stop the greed. It is downright evil.
Let us all remember that what happened here COULD have happened to ANY one of us had we been in the same arena/place. Crowd control is also to blame. Venues really, really need to get their shit together.
At the 2 GA shows I’ve been to in the last couple of years (paramore and phoebe), the crowds have always been so nice to each other passing around water and letting security know when more is needed. I think at phoebe they were also hosing the first few rows too. It’s so horrible watching the videos of the crowds and Taylor trying to get water to people who desperately needed it, I don’t know what the venue people were doing.
It's just terrible. It is actually so negligent that if Taylor could tell fans were in distress that the venue workers were not directed to look after them. I mean I'm imagining some incompetent manager following greedy orders from above. I hope she never does business with the operator again.
This should have NEVER happened and the venue should absolutely be held responsible. Crazy that even in this extreme heat a venue would ban water bottles as a tactic to force people to buy overpriced water or stay thirsty and dehydrated. Water should be a basic right not a commodity to be profited off of. My heart not only breaks for Taylor but the family and loved ones of Ana. May she rest in peace.
Stadium laws have to change. Water is a human right, not stadium's opportunity to have an easy cash grab. We all know safety is not a main concern here as nothing is half as dangerous as obstructing ways to water. I hate them.
It's fine for them to say, hey, you can't bring in your own liquids but they should absolutely hand out their own water when you enter in exchange. Also, GA rules need to be changed. I vastly prefer the USA's floor seats to being cramped with the crowds. In my case I took lower nosebleeds instead, I'd rather be far but have my own damn seat.
The GA situation is something I had in mind too when thinking about tragic events like this. People risk their health and safety by refusing to leave their spot, just to be close to the artist or the stage. I noticed this at some concerts I went to last year (UK), it was so hot and people from GA were literally getting sick waiting for artists to come on stage. We need floor seating everywhere, it seems so much safer than what I’ve seen in GA last year.
I saw ashnikko in Austin a couple months ago at an outdoor venue. It was 100F outside and I was behind the first row at the barricade. She had to stop the show because someone passed out at the front.
And security was passing out water the whole show and this still happened. There were 3 or 4 people that needed medical attention.
I went to a festival this fall that ended up being much hotter than anticipated. It was in a park but there was only a slice of shade on the far left of the stage. People were sitting on the ground and in the walkways to get out of the sun. They did have free water which is good, but the water was also sitting out in the sun for hours so it was warm. The festival/park could have made up for the heat just by hanging some sun sails for the weekend or even putting up tents and giving out ice.
It made an otherwise fun day into a risky health day. I had some health problems this year and recovered but still feel tired occasionally, so I ended up leaving early. It makes it obvious that venues don't think about folks with chronic illness or disabilities. There are a lot of folks that have a harder time in extreme conditions. Everyone should be able to go enjoy music, not just people who are in great physical health.
At Gov Ball NYC this year they were tossing bags, yes bags, of water.
Bottles weren’t thrown because of exactly what you said, even plastic bottles are a safety hazard. I got pelted by a lot of bags of water haha
Security seemed like they were just fucking around at some points because they were just chucking bags of water non stop, even without people asking for them.
It doesn't mean forcing people to carry water bottles. They can have stations where it's easy to grab water bottles or have larger cups to fill with water.
If you were to try to force people to be seated instead of GA in Latin America, I can assure you 100% that there would be a significant pushback and the first real concert that tried it would be a logistical nightmare. We don't want it.
Stadium rules have to change so that these things don't happen anymore. But getting rid of GA is simply not an option.
All concerts are GA and this doesn't happen. Regulations have to be made so that this can be prevented and it's not up to the venues. And if the heat gets so bad because of environmental reasons, the show has to be postponed, the government has to force them to postpone it just like the Buenos Aires government did because of the storm.
It's so stupid, a few years ago when we had a heatwave in the UK I was going to the cinema and when we got there they told us the air conditioning was broken and then handed us FREE REFRIGERATED BOTTLES OF WATER. Water is one of the most basic things we need to survive! Especially in excessive heat.
I agree. This necessity reminds me of another part of this late stage capitalist nightmare: rappers are starting to sell their own water online & at some shows. Travis Scott's sold out show at SoFi featured Utopia-branded water bottles. "Destroy Lonely" also sold out a 3-pack of "Look Killa" Vitamin Water on his webstore. It's slightly different, since these were limited edition, and since they had to buy in the venue, but they got away with selling out $30-40 water bottles.
Not just stadiums, festivals and other concert venues too. There’s electronic music concerts happening at venues with people dancing and sweating out their hydration and they can’t get free water. Not too mention some of people are on drugs which makes the water even more needed.
Even though the concert was sold out. Like who the fuck cares if some people get to watch the show from outside the stadium? Bunch of greedy bastards, they should be sued.
i understand from a safety perspective not wanting people watching from outside, but their measures to stop that came at the DIRECT expense of the people inside’s safety
I’ve got some experience with event management (obviously with things not even CLOSE to the scale of the Eras Tour), so I understand how difficult it is to plan both so far in advance & with people who are totally unpredictable, especially fans as intense as Swifties are. If it were, let’s say, a show taking place in winter, I’d support looking into closing the air vents as there’d be less of a need to regulate high temps inside the venue if it’d minimise the risks associated with people crowding outside during the show (eg. crowd crushes, traffic problems, liability issues for the venue, issues literally getting Taylor out of the stadium afterwards, etc)
That being said, these measures should’ve been reviewed as soon as the heatwave was predicted imo. I’ve seen some people who were in the stadium before the show was postponed today say the vents were reopened - if they were able to be opened overnight, they should’ve been opened from the start. There should’ve been more of an effort put into distributing the water they had to hand out during the show (It gets even trickier considering it wasn’t just that ONE thing which caused the mess that was that night, but lots of smaller decisions combining together)
I totally agree that it’s easier to look back and nitpick everything that was done by the venue, but you can’t help but hope that there’d be discussions had + changes made once the heatwave was predicted
I’m of the opinion that if the changes could be made in time for the next day (eventually postponed) show they could’ve been made in the lead up to the first show, but you’re totally right - that many people having a say (I’m sure Team Taylor would be one as well, and even tho the time zone difference between Brazil & the US isn’t massive I can imagine it’d cause SOME issues contacting her legal teams, etc) & it just gets *messy*. I suppose we can only hope there’s safeguards & procedures in place going forward, both in Brazil & elsewhere, to stop this from happening again, wether it’s fans en masse passing out to the extreme of Ana’s case
I recently went to three concerts at UBS arena and not only were we prohibited from bringing in water, but there weren't any fountains in the entire venue - I even asked an employee and they confirmed, as I usually bring an empty reusable bottle in with me. Water inside was $8 a bottle.
It's genuinely inhumane, based on the reports I'm worried that there may be more deaths coming from this show. The footage of Taylor throwing waters to her audience is absolutely heartbreaking. I don't know too much about Taylor, but she's always seemed to genuinely care about her fans, and Swifties definitely rival us kpoppies in terms of getting shit done. (The story has also been spreading around kpop twitter a *lot*.) I'm really hoping that a change can be brought about, but obviously wish it didn't have to come to this.
I had this same experience at Allegiant in Las Vegas. It was around 95°F (35°C) on the day of the concert. Water was available outside the venue, but once you got inside, you were forced to purchase water for $8. I snuck in an empty plastic bottle and went searching for a fountain. After being told one didn't exist, I tried filling up with water from the bathroom sink, but it was so warm, that it was undrinkable. It was an automatic sink so you couldn't adjust the temperature. They really did think of everything to ensure they'd get their money in a city that routinely hits the triple digit mark (38°C) in the summer.
In a brand new stadium? fucking great.
How tf water fountains not being mandatory in building codes is beyond me. If you are building a facility meant for public gathering with a listed capacity of this many people, you need this many toilets, this many urinals, this many water fountains and AEDs, and combined exit path this wide. End of discussion.
She looked absolutely exhausted and was drenched in sweat. I kept watching clips where people were talking about how much fun she was having and while I’m sure she was, you could see stress written all over her face. During ATW10 she wasn’t even playing her guitar, she swung it around to her back and was pacing back and forth on the stage scanning the crowd for problems.
There's a video where she looks like she's about to pass the fuck out while she's performing. This is 100000% not me blaming Taylor for anything because this is absolutely the responsibility of many *many* people who also had a say, the concert should have been postponed. It was something like 104° Fahrenheit, that's not safe for fans or the performer, especially if there's no ventilation.
Yup it's absolutely the venue's fault at the end of the day. The conditions were already hellish, they just threw gasoline on the fire. I bet her and her team can't wait to be done with the south American shows 😅
I know that stadiums banning water isn’t a new thing, but it should absolutely be reversed during heat waves. How appalling of the stadium for not relaxing the rules. I saw the videos of Taylor chucking water at fans, and how stressed she looked—hopefully she adds a clause about constant water access to the rest of her GA shows.
My heart goes out to Ana’s friends and family, what a tragically preventable loss 🩷
If they don't want concertgoers to bring their own drinks inside, then the organizers should've given each person a free water bottle or two when it was their turn in line to get their ticket scanned. Wtf were they even planning to do, chuck water bottles at random to people standing on the GA floor without any crowd control whatsoever?
I'm so sorry to Ana Benevides & everyone who suffered health problems at the concert. And I hope Ana's loved ones & Taylor herself are getting the support they need at this time.
this!! this should be mandatory. if the venues are that worried about folks bringing in other liquids like alcohol then supply folks with a water bottle at entry. and also bring in those water fountains where you can refill your bottle if you need. those are always super convenient. i hope this will be one of those instances where regulations and rules at venues will be changing to something like this or similar. hate this is the circumstances behind that rationale but it might just be what’s needed to get something done
I do hope there’s a delay/ cancellation for the show today. At the very least something needs to change with the venue because this was such a preventable death. So horrible. RIP to Ana Benevides.
I am a member of a Taylorfangroup in my country (I'm Colombian), and some of the members attended the Brazilian Concert. They shared details in realtime about the intense heat and suffocating conditions, and it made me very anxious. One member even asked for prayers cause he was havin some sort of shock. I feared that this situation might escalate into a larger tragedy in that moment.
I hope this sets a worldwide precedent regarding the importance of water in live events and canceling concerts if temperatures reach certain levels or are too low. With global warming, this will become more and more common. We need to adapt to the new conditions.
I was in GA in a heatwave in the UK earlier this year (although nowhere near that hot). People brought their own water bottles in, there were staff constantly water giving water out on the barrier (and pushing people to take it). Pints of tap water were also being given out at the drinks area all over the stadium for free.
Of course people brought water bottles full of vodka in as well, but that's not an excuse to compromise on safety. Those people probably wouldn't have spent much on drinks anyway.
Since Taylor’s been very vocal in the past about fan safety being the most important thing, I’m wondering if she will cancel / postpone the remaining Rio shows? There’s so many videos of people in stretchers, calling / begging for water, someone died…it’s all so sad.
Didn’t she just postpone a show recently for weather? How is this any different?
They’ve already set new rules in place for tonight’s show, it should be okay so long as the stadium staff gets their shit together and passes out water like they were instructed to do
it's almost always hot in rio. she wouldn't be able to reschedule at all tbh. secondly, promoters aren't legally required to refund fans (something the previous fascist government enforced). if it was cancelled,.people would be without a show and their money
the weather is better on monday and tuesday though?? she could’ve easily postponed it to one of those days
edit: lol wrote this minutes before she rightfully announced the postponement. it would’ve been better if she did it earlier before [so many fans had heat strokes and fainted](https://x.com/13behindthemall/status/1725955047442313300?s=46&t=i4itIU9sr97gPpTdlGScHw), but better late than never i guess.
i mean in the sense that due to global warming and the unfair effects in big cities south of the equator, it's always a gamble weather-wise. hopefully Monday is better though
There’s one clip before “champagne problems” of Taylor at the piano literally directing venue staff HERSELF toward people who needed water.
Then later in the show, while performing “All Too Well”, she literally had to start throwing water HERSELF to fans. She had to stop playing guitar to make sure her fans were taken care of.
Yeah, this is insane. The venue should be on this and if they are too irresponsible then Taylor’s team should be on it. Taylor’s job in that moment should be to perform, not to be providing provisions.
This is completely preventable, and inexcusable. It should be illegal everywhere to restrict someone from drinking water.
It should be illegal to even sell water above a certain unit price too. They ban you from bringing your own water, and you have to choose between a $30 bottle of water or risk dehydration/death. Fucking ridiculous.
Thought this was just a rumor, disappointed to hear this is true. Stadiums need to allow fans to bring in water and in these temps should be providing water for free. Frankly, the show should’ve been stopped if it was that hot, fans were passing out, and they weren’t reliably getting water. I know Taylor tried, but it just wasn’t enough for the number of people in the stadium. The venue should’ve been doing something. This situation is just wild. Apparently, part of the problem is that the venue covered up openings that provided ventilation because they didn’t want people to see the show from the outside. I hope the venue is held responsible.
>Apparently, part of the problem is that the venue covered up openings that provided ventilation because they didn’t want people to see the show from the outside.
This is so fucking greedy on the part of the promoters, knowing that Taylor has performed in some US stadiums where the screen of the show can be seen by outsiders from certain angles and she couldn't care less to restrict that.
Was this stadium also a GA pit? That’s what’s insane to me about some of these international dates…and when people talk about this on Tik Tok, the comments are always full of international fans like “well we can have a bit lit because we know how to behave unlike you Americans!!” Like dude. It’s a safety thing.
So sad :(
if it wasn't GA, almost no one would be able to afford tickets in latam. atm, floor seats are literally a month's minimum wage. also GA is part of out culture, the issue is with safety precautions and greed
This is just mind boggingly stupid to continue reading. I really don’t give a fuck if GA is part of your culture, there is never a world where Taylor Swift — at the level she’s at — should be playing to GA crowds. Even without heat, it’s dangerous. If a country/venue can’t accommodate assigned floor seats, they should be skipped, period.
most artists even bigger than taylor play concerts with GA crowds. it's usually alright.
like Beyonce and paul McCartney for example. the reason why this one was extra awful is the covering of vents to keep people from neighboring buildings to look into the stadium
over here, they are. it's bot a personal opinion, it's because they have a more diverse audience. case in point, both have done more concerts previously in the past few years, play bigger stadiums and yet, they are always sold out. coldplay played like a dozen sold out shows with over 70k people in the audience. harry styles sold out the stadium in minutes.
something that people fail to understand is that taylor is in fact super popular here and drives crowds, but all popular artists do. the whole debacle with high ticket demand the eras tour caused is just another monday in latin america because we don't usually have tens of stops and multiple opportunities to see our favorite artists. and when we do, of we don't live in big cities, the cost is astronomical
So sad and even sadder is the fact it was so preventable. I had no idea this charging insane prices for water was a thing tbh, every concert I’ve ever been to whether that be a stadium or an arena has had free water. I was at a concert last night and the arena had built in free water fountains and plastic cups everywhere. Usually in the pit the security people give out free water bottles when you ask. I hope this is the incident that causes those venues to rethink their policies.
100% should have stopped the show but if the venue staff couldn’t even give water to people how could they be trusted to get people out safely? The risk of a crowd crush would have been so high, added to the emotional turmoil of fans it could have been even more deadly. I can’t imagine how horrible it must’ve been to feel that unsafe.
my heart hurts for the one who lost her life, she was too young and a concert should not have been her place to go.
this obviously shows how shit happens when capitalism goes too far, businesses will always prioritise their interests. GA should've never been a thing for an event as big as hers where you have thousands of passionate people gathered together in a small space. i wonder if it was all worth it
They haven’t canceled and the only reason why I can think she hasn’t is that the Brazilian fans still want the show to go on (according to people attending the show tonight on Twitter) and that Taylor is locked in a contract that makes it extremely difficult to cancel
[Even Taylor herself was having trouble breading in the end of the show](https://x.com/visoncorneliast/status/1725967470945542308?s=46&t=uEoUkS1etWenVxhKn-7VcQ).
Taylor Swift became a billionaire by profiting off of these very audiences and their exploitation. There’s not a single good reason a literal billionaire should be forcing thousands of people to watch her perform for hours in a hot stadium with no water and no proper ventilation. She is a billionaire, she has every power to make sure this kind of situation doesn’t happen. It’s immoral to perform in a venue where water is banned. How does she expect these fans to deal with these conditions? She’s not at fault but she, as a billionaire, can 100% do something about this and prevent it. And she also became a billionaire off of these very conditions.
That’s not how any of this works. I get the urge to criticize all billionaires in the same way, but concert goers aren’t employees. They aren’t forced to be there. In fact, they pay to attend.
Imagine if Swift rolled in with her own platoon of venue employees, sidelining the locals and violating any local contracts. Not only would it be unpopular, these venues probably wouldn’t even allow it.
People complain about mega-tours not stopping much outside North America and Europe, and here’s why. The local laws and protocols outside these places just aren’t as robust in support of crowd safety. Not only is it not in a tour’s power to chance local laws, it would be wildly immoral and colonialist to do so.
If we want to criticize Swift as a billionaire, we need to look at how she compensates people that help make what she sells. Do the people making her merch make a livable wage? Does the touring staff? Do the people working for her have safe working conditions? That’s the stuff Swift is responsible for.
Unfortunately this incident lies firmly on the shoulders of the Brazilian government. Swift and other tours could refuse to travel anywhere with a government that doesn’t have its citizens utmost safety as a priority, but then there’d be no tours.
There needs to be no tours. She’s already a billionaire and she still can’t keep people from dying at her own concert? And the tour is flat out horrible for the environment, especially with her additional jet trips. If she can’t have a tour with venues that allow water so people don’t die, then maybe she shouldn’t have the tour. She’s a billionaire. I think people are forgetting how much money a billionaire has. Absolutely too much money.
So no concert touring at all? No events at which someone might get hurt? Should we go ahead and cancel every sporting event, festival, parade, convention, religious service, protest, rally, potluck and group meditation at which someone might get injured? Are billionaires responsible for preventing any and all accidental deaths that happen near them?
Of course not. People need and want to get together to have fun. Sometimes that’s dangerous. Whether it’s to see a billionaire sing songs or participate in the 300 year old Rio Carnival (at which several people die every year).
I get your “billionaires = bad” sentiment. They shouldn’t exist. But how much money Swift has really doesn’t have anything to do with what happened.
Hopefully the spotlight on this particular incident leads to policy change so going to large events in Rio becomes safer.
I guess I disagree. If this was a company and not an individual with some of the most fans in the world, people would absolutely be holding them responsible. I don’t feel like it’s that different than the Travis Scott concert. Yeah she tried to give water but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know it’s too hot in there to watch the entire concert with no water. And I don’t buy the narrative that she has no control over her fans (who paid her billionaire status) being hydrated, I don’t believe she couldn’t make sure the air conditioning and ventilation at her own concert was up to safety codes. What is she even paying all those people in her tour for then?
She had control, brought water herself and multiple times asked the crew to hand them out. They didn’t listen. Fans have this on video that they just stood around with boxes of water. At one point she even started handing them out herself mid-singing.
There is a lot to criticize her for, you can start with her merch price gouging or her private jet, but this one lies on the organizer and venue because they didn’t listen to her. Water was only handed out when her own team came down and took matters into their own hands, because the stadium staff did nothing.
Travis Scott is blamed because he explicitly encourages his audiences to behave in violent, aggressive ways. He posts videos telling them to get violent and become as intoxicated as possible. Even then, it’s still on the venue and local authorities to provide adequate security and infrastructure to prevent injury.
I’m not sure what you expect Swift’s tour staff to be capable of here. It’s not Eras tour staff that keeps people from injury at her US tour dates, it’s OSHA and local fire codes. They have no authority in Rio.
The venue appears to have had ventilation. It wasn’t used properly. The local fire department should have inspected the venue on the day of the event to catch that. Fire Departments in Brazil are a branch of the military. Should Swift have overthrown the Brazilian government to set up her own military force to ensure safety compliance? Americans setting up tin pot dictators in South America hasn’t worked out well so far.
Perhaps you don’t travel internationally much, but when visiting and working in other countries, you have to obey the local laws.
Swift’s paying all these people on her tour to put on her show, which they do. She’s responsible for how her employees conduct themselves and enforcing a safe working environment. No tour employees have been injured and no safety hazards occurred because of tour staff negligence.
You say this would be different if it was a company and not an individual. How so? What’s an example?
Dude she did do stuff. She bought hundreds of bottles of water and told the venue staff to hand them out, and they refused. Then she ordered her personal staff to hand out water. Taylor was taking water bottles (I’m pretty sure ones meant for her own use since they were coming from the stage) and tossing them to fans while performing.
The venue staff covered the ventilation vents in the stadium, didn’t allow water bottles in the stadium, and refused to pass out the water bottles that Taylor bought with her own money.
Taylor did everything she could when she was in the situation, and I think she handled it as well as anyone could. She definitely wasn’t forcing people to watch- they all bought their tickets and chose to be there
So she’s powerless as a billionaire to prevent this or solve it? It’s her responsibility to make sure her concert is safe for her fans and that they don’t die watching her perform. It’s not just her responsibility, it’s a bunch of people’s responsibility, but considering the whole tour is to make her money and she’s a billionaire, I’m just not understanding how in the world someone could die at her concert. Like this was completely avoidable. Again, she never should’ve been okay with performing for a hot stadium of fans if water was banned. Who would let a stadium they’re performing in ban water? Like it’s immoral for her to be a billionaire from these fans while simultaneously expecting them to watch her perform without any water. She had no control over the water being banned from the stadium? At her own concert? She’s a billionaire and she couldn’t persuade the venue to allow *water*? I don’t think she should get off scott free as a billionaire, when she is directly profiting off of this exploitation.
People assured her that they would do their jobs and they didn’t. They lied to her. Is she supposed to see the future and just know that they wouldn’t do their jobs?
She didn’t say ever. I assumed she just meant at the next shows/Rio shows, because people would be expecting it, and it seems fair to me considering it just happened yesterday
The double standard between this and the Travis Scott incident is mindblowing. Every article was calling Travis a murderer and saying it was solely his fault but in this situation it’s all on the venue and poor Taylor the victim did nothing wrong. Neither of the situations was on the artists but Travis literally got all the blame for his incident. Also he canceled all of his next shows for like a year while Taylor plans to perform again in those same conditions because god forbid she loses a little bit of cash
one actively encouraged his fans to act like a bunch of jackasses while the other tried her best to provide water even though the stadium staff refused to help. you're missing some major info buddy.
love how travis’s apology is seen as weak and a publicity stunt, while taylor really cares. neither are at fault but the double standards are obvious and people don’t want to accept that
also not to mention taylor didn’t even apologize, she just said it was too hot for her next show, while travis, even though it was a little bad, still apologized, and i hate to say it but if travis’s PR team had done the apology yall wouldn’t be flaming him
I have always found these rules prohibiting goers to bring their own water to be so stupid. I hope this will be a standard for venues all over the world to abolish this stupid rule in the future.
To those going to see Taylor in Singapore next year like me, you can bring empty plastic water bottles as water coolers are available in the venue.
Ok gonna do this. Cause I boil in Singapore's weather. My friends and I will carry empty plastic bottles. Thank you!
Are tumblers or Stanleys not allowed?
No, I believe it’s for security to prevent relatively large metal objects from being thrown on stage, among other perceived risks
i understand it’s to stop people bringing in alcohol (at least that the reasoning where i live) and i understand that keep people safer, however, i think that in conjunction with that being a rule a free water needs to be handed to everyone upon entry, and should be available at everyone’s convenience, or have free water taps everywhere around the stadium.
>it’s to stop people bringing in alcohol And to stop them bringing in dangerous liquids (or that's just my city because we had a huge series of acid attacks one year)
so allow empty bottles and have bubblers
This. That’s what they do on planes
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Wow. That genuinely blows my mind. I’ve been one of the ones waiting for hours in the sun to get a great spot to see gaga, but I’m in northeastern USA so it’s wildly different.
I'm just spitballing idk what it looked like that night but that seems like a really good reason then to keep water coolers nearby and easily accessible in all parts of the venue.
Alright man Coachella has free water taps for everyone and people bring bottles in.
Here in Ireland concerts let you bring in bottles but they take the lids off them and the security will smell them to check for alcohol
Same. A venue near me sells water bottles, but takes away the caps. It's so awkward.
That's so that it takes away one less blunt object, cause [when a cap is on a bottle, it keeps mass contained and makes a heavier impact, acting as a projectile](https://www.cbs17.com/news/investigators/answer-desk/why-do-they-take-water-bottle-caps-at-concern-venues/), especially if it's used as part of the trend of throwing things on stage.
I figured as much. But I just find it silly since there’s no fucking way I could launch a bottle cap with enough force to get it anywhere near a stage. If I could, then I deserve a world record title lol
It’s not the cap itself, but more so that a filled, sealed, bottle creates a ~1kg object that can go flying and injure someone. Without a cap the liquid will come flying out and make it much lighter.
I mean... [if a fucking *Skittle* at the right angle and speed almost took out Harry Styles' eye](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniesoteriou/harry-styles-hit-eye-skittles), I wouldn't say that's impossible tbh lol It's also the fact that if there's a good amount of water in the bottle, all you'd need to do is seal it up with the cap and throw with force to do any amount of damage, not necessarily about the cap itself.
If they didn't change it after Woodstock 99, I don't think it'll change after this either.
An EDM festival I went to a few months ago gave out free water to attendees (as long as they had a bottle/h20 pack to put it in). It’s a shame more venues won’t do this kind of thing.
Totally agree, promoters will argue that the bottles can be thrown but it’s obvious they just want to charge a premium for water inside the venue. Because what’s stopping somebody from throwing a bottle bought inside the stadium?
The videos from the show of fans crying out for water while Taylor is trying to get some to them are so distressing to watch. I've seen reports of 1000 people fainting as well as Ana's tragic death. The circumstances last night were so dangerous and I really hope than fan safety is properly taken when deciding whether or not to go ahead with the show tonight in even worse heat
Me too I can’t get it out of my head. I woke up in the middle of the night, so I scrolled for a while and saw that. I had a dream about it and thought about it immediately when I woke up. It’s awful.
straight up human rights violation... DISGUSTING
1000+ of fans also passed out and tomorrow's forecast is even worse :(
if i read it correctly, it was across whole day, not only during show. fans were waiting in the venue since morning
People were queueing from 8AM and Taylor didn't got on until 19:30, I heard most of the passing out was in that period
The fact that it happened before the show and no measures were taken like opening the vents, ensuring water, etc were taken is mind boggling
Btw that’s at least 1% or more depending on the stadium, right? That’s insane.
yup it's more than 1%
Shit this is horrible. HORRIBLE. I nearly fainted at a concert over here in May 2023. HAIM came to perform and, I don’t know, something came over me. I had to ask the girl beside me, “hey is it ok if I hold you for a bit? I’m not feeling so good.” A complete stranger. Then I started feeling extremely dizzy and unsteady and felt terrified. I started voicing out. “Wowww guysguysguysguys. I’m not good.” Somebody somehow managed to RUN to the area where they were selling water (i was standing in GA and it was packed) (This shouldn’t be the case. Fans should be able to bring water to concerts - especially when it’s hot asf!) and ran back to me, held me, and watched me hydrate myself. Those girls made sure I was okay. I have been going to concerts for decades now, and I have never fainted at a single one. This was a close call. Complete strangers saved me and went out of their way to make sure I was hydrated. These venues need to stop the greed. It is downright evil. Let us all remember that what happened here COULD have happened to ANY one of us had we been in the same arena/place. Crowd control is also to blame. Venues really, really need to get their shit together.
At the 2 GA shows I’ve been to in the last couple of years (paramore and phoebe), the crowds have always been so nice to each other passing around water and letting security know when more is needed. I think at phoebe they were also hosing the first few rows too. It’s so horrible watching the videos of the crowds and Taylor trying to get water to people who desperately needed it, I don’t know what the venue people were doing.
It's just terrible. It is actually so negligent that if Taylor could tell fans were in distress that the venue workers were not directed to look after them. I mean I'm imagining some incompetent manager following greedy orders from above. I hope she never does business with the operator again.
This should have NEVER happened and the venue should absolutely be held responsible. Crazy that even in this extreme heat a venue would ban water bottles as a tactic to force people to buy overpriced water or stay thirsty and dehydrated. Water should be a basic right not a commodity to be profited off of. My heart not only breaks for Taylor but the family and loved ones of Ana. May she rest in peace.
Stadium laws have to change. Water is a human right, not stadium's opportunity to have an easy cash grab. We all know safety is not a main concern here as nothing is half as dangerous as obstructing ways to water. I hate them.
It's fine for them to say, hey, you can't bring in your own liquids but they should absolutely hand out their own water when you enter in exchange. Also, GA rules need to be changed. I vastly prefer the USA's floor seats to being cramped with the crowds. In my case I took lower nosebleeds instead, I'd rather be far but have my own damn seat.
The GA situation is something I had in mind too when thinking about tragic events like this. People risk their health and safety by refusing to leave their spot, just to be close to the artist or the stage. I noticed this at some concerts I went to last year (UK), it was so hot and people from GA were literally getting sick waiting for artists to come on stage. We need floor seating everywhere, it seems so much safer than what I’ve seen in GA last year.
I saw ashnikko in Austin a couple months ago at an outdoor venue. It was 100F outside and I was behind the first row at the barricade. She had to stop the show because someone passed out at the front. And security was passing out water the whole show and this still happened. There were 3 or 4 people that needed medical attention.
I went to a festival this fall that ended up being much hotter than anticipated. It was in a park but there was only a slice of shade on the far left of the stage. People were sitting on the ground and in the walkways to get out of the sun. They did have free water which is good, but the water was also sitting out in the sun for hours so it was warm. The festival/park could have made up for the heat just by hanging some sun sails for the weekend or even putting up tents and giving out ice. It made an otherwise fun day into a risky health day. I had some health problems this year and recovered but still feel tired occasionally, so I ended up leaving early. It makes it obvious that venues don't think about folks with chronic illness or disabilities. There are a lot of folks that have a harder time in extreme conditions. Everyone should be able to go enjoy music, not just people who are in great physical health.
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Some venues only serve drinks in plastic cups for this reason. It's inconvenient, but the cup sure isn't going to fly as far as a bottle.
At Gov Ball NYC this year they were tossing bags, yes bags, of water. Bottles weren’t thrown because of exactly what you said, even plastic bottles are a safety hazard. I got pelted by a lot of bags of water haha Security seemed like they were just fucking around at some points because they were just chucking bags of water non stop, even without people asking for them.
It doesn't mean forcing people to carry water bottles. They can have stations where it's easy to grab water bottles or have larger cups to fill with water.
If you were to try to force people to be seated instead of GA in Latin America, I can assure you 100% that there would be a significant pushback and the first real concert that tried it would be a logistical nightmare. We don't want it. Stadium rules have to change so that these things don't happen anymore. But getting rid of GA is simply not an option.
"We don't want it" but at what expense?
All concerts are GA and this doesn't happen. Regulations have to be made so that this can be prevented and it's not up to the venues. And if the heat gets so bad because of environmental reasons, the show has to be postponed, the government has to force them to postpone it just like the Buenos Aires government did because of the storm.
It's so stupid, a few years ago when we had a heatwave in the UK I was going to the cinema and when we got there they told us the air conditioning was broken and then handed us FREE REFRIGERATED BOTTLES OF WATER. Water is one of the most basic things we need to survive! Especially in excessive heat.
I agree. This necessity reminds me of another part of this late stage capitalist nightmare: rappers are starting to sell their own water online & at some shows. Travis Scott's sold out show at SoFi featured Utopia-branded water bottles. "Destroy Lonely" also sold out a 3-pack of "Look Killa" Vitamin Water on his webstore. It's slightly different, since these were limited edition, and since they had to buy in the venue, but they got away with selling out $30-40 water bottles.
In places like Canada and the US they are legally obligated to give you a glass of water for free if you ask
Not just stadiums, festivals and other concert venues too. There’s electronic music concerts happening at venues with people dancing and sweating out their hydration and they can’t get free water. Not too mention some of people are on drugs which makes the water even more needed.
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exactly so sad to hear about this happening. And so many more fans passed out or got sick, clearly a problem. The stadium was even closed
Even though the concert was sold out. Like who the fuck cares if some people get to watch the show from outside the stadium? Bunch of greedy bastards, they should be sued.
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Mexican group RBD performed there just a few days ago and this did not happen, they also sold out, so I don't think this is a security measure.
i understand from a safety perspective not wanting people watching from outside, but their measures to stop that came at the DIRECT expense of the people inside’s safety
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I’ve got some experience with event management (obviously with things not even CLOSE to the scale of the Eras Tour), so I understand how difficult it is to plan both so far in advance & with people who are totally unpredictable, especially fans as intense as Swifties are. If it were, let’s say, a show taking place in winter, I’d support looking into closing the air vents as there’d be less of a need to regulate high temps inside the venue if it’d minimise the risks associated with people crowding outside during the show (eg. crowd crushes, traffic problems, liability issues for the venue, issues literally getting Taylor out of the stadium afterwards, etc) That being said, these measures should’ve been reviewed as soon as the heatwave was predicted imo. I’ve seen some people who were in the stadium before the show was postponed today say the vents were reopened - if they were able to be opened overnight, they should’ve been opened from the start. There should’ve been more of an effort put into distributing the water they had to hand out during the show (It gets even trickier considering it wasn’t just that ONE thing which caused the mess that was that night, but lots of smaller decisions combining together) I totally agree that it’s easier to look back and nitpick everything that was done by the venue, but you can’t help but hope that there’d be discussions had + changes made once the heatwave was predicted
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I’m of the opinion that if the changes could be made in time for the next day (eventually postponed) show they could’ve been made in the lead up to the first show, but you’re totally right - that many people having a say (I’m sure Team Taylor would be one as well, and even tho the time zone difference between Brazil & the US isn’t massive I can imagine it’d cause SOME issues contacting her legal teams, etc) & it just gets *messy*. I suppose we can only hope there’s safeguards & procedures in place going forward, both in Brazil & elsewhere, to stop this from happening again, wether it’s fans en masse passing out to the extreme of Ana’s case
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I recently went to three concerts at UBS arena and not only were we prohibited from bringing in water, but there weren't any fountains in the entire venue - I even asked an employee and they confirmed, as I usually bring an empty reusable bottle in with me. Water inside was $8 a bottle. It's genuinely inhumane, based on the reports I'm worried that there may be more deaths coming from this show. The footage of Taylor throwing waters to her audience is absolutely heartbreaking. I don't know too much about Taylor, but she's always seemed to genuinely care about her fans, and Swifties definitely rival us kpoppies in terms of getting shit done. (The story has also been spreading around kpop twitter a *lot*.) I'm really hoping that a change can be brought about, but obviously wish it didn't have to come to this.
I had this same experience at Allegiant in Las Vegas. It was around 95°F (35°C) on the day of the concert. Water was available outside the venue, but once you got inside, you were forced to purchase water for $8. I snuck in an empty plastic bottle and went searching for a fountain. After being told one didn't exist, I tried filling up with water from the bathroom sink, but it was so warm, that it was undrinkable. It was an automatic sink so you couldn't adjust the temperature. They really did think of everything to ensure they'd get their money in a city that routinely hits the triple digit mark (38°C) in the summer.
The automatic sink with warm water.... That's hell, actually I can't even imagine this at a venue in VEGAS of all places, that's genuinely cruel
In a brand new stadium? fucking great. How tf water fountains not being mandatory in building codes is beyond me. If you are building a facility meant for public gathering with a listed capacity of this many people, you need this many toilets, this many urinals, this many water fountains and AEDs, and combined exit path this wide. End of discussion.
I don't know how Taylor and her dancers were even okay with performing a 3 hour show in those conditions. And the poor fans. This is just awful.
There's a picture of her back during the Folklore set and she is beet. red. And she wasn't even standing deep in the crowd like the fans!
She does have a spotlight on her at all times and wears multiple layers. She’s lucky she didn’t get heatstroke as well
She looked absolutely exhausted and was drenched in sweat. I kept watching clips where people were talking about how much fun she was having and while I’m sure she was, you could see stress written all over her face. During ATW10 she wasn’t even playing her guitar, she swung it around to her back and was pacing back and forth on the stage scanning the crowd for problems.
I saw a clip of her gasping for air too :(
There's a video where she looks like she's about to pass the fuck out while she's performing. This is 100000% not me blaming Taylor for anything because this is absolutely the responsibility of many *many* people who also had a say, the concert should have been postponed. It was something like 104° Fahrenheit, that's not safe for fans or the performer, especially if there's no ventilation.
Yup it's absolutely the venue's fault at the end of the day. The conditions were already hellish, they just threw gasoline on the fire. I bet her and her team can't wait to be done with the south American shows 😅
I know that stadiums banning water isn’t a new thing, but it should absolutely be reversed during heat waves. How appalling of the stadium for not relaxing the rules. I saw the videos of Taylor chucking water at fans, and how stressed she looked—hopefully she adds a clause about constant water access to the rest of her GA shows. My heart goes out to Ana’s friends and family, what a tragically preventable loss 🩷
Apparently her team provided free water but the staff at the venue didn't hand them out.
I saw! Absolutely sickeningly irresponsible of the staff.
She went to see her favorite hero, and this is how she died. So messed up and sad. May Ana rest in peace.
If they don't want concertgoers to bring their own drinks inside, then the organizers should've given each person a free water bottle or two when it was their turn in line to get their ticket scanned. Wtf were they even planning to do, chuck water bottles at random to people standing on the GA floor without any crowd control whatsoever? I'm so sorry to Ana Benevides & everyone who suffered health problems at the concert. And I hope Ana's loved ones & Taylor herself are getting the support they need at this time.
this!! this should be mandatory. if the venues are that worried about folks bringing in other liquids like alcohol then supply folks with a water bottle at entry. and also bring in those water fountains where you can refill your bottle if you need. those are always super convenient. i hope this will be one of those instances where regulations and rules at venues will be changing to something like this or similar. hate this is the circumstances behind that rationale but it might just be what’s needed to get something done
oh my god this is horrible
I do hope there’s a delay/ cancellation for the show today. At the very least something needs to change with the venue because this was such a preventable death. So horrible. RIP to Ana Benevides.
I am a member of a Taylorfangroup in my country (I'm Colombian), and some of the members attended the Brazilian Concert. They shared details in realtime about the intense heat and suffocating conditions, and it made me very anxious. One member even asked for prayers cause he was havin some sort of shock. I feared that this situation might escalate into a larger tragedy in that moment. I hope this sets a worldwide precedent regarding the importance of water in live events and canceling concerts if temperatures reach certain levels or are too low. With global warming, this will become more and more common. We need to adapt to the new conditions.
I was in GA in a heatwave in the UK earlier this year (although nowhere near that hot). People brought their own water bottles in, there were staff constantly water giving water out on the barrier (and pushing people to take it). Pints of tap water were also being given out at the drinks area all over the stadium for free. Of course people brought water bottles full of vodka in as well, but that's not an excuse to compromise on safety. Those people probably wouldn't have spent much on drinks anyway.
Since Taylor’s been very vocal in the past about fan safety being the most important thing, I’m wondering if she will cancel / postpone the remaining Rio shows? There’s so many videos of people in stretchers, calling / begging for water, someone died…it’s all so sad. Didn’t she just postpone a show recently for weather? How is this any different?
They’ve already set new rules in place for tonight’s show, it should be okay so long as the stadium staff gets their shit together and passes out water like they were instructed to do
it's almost always hot in rio. she wouldn't be able to reschedule at all tbh. secondly, promoters aren't legally required to refund fans (something the previous fascist government enforced). if it was cancelled,.people would be without a show and their money
the weather is better on monday and tuesday though?? she could’ve easily postponed it to one of those days edit: lol wrote this minutes before she rightfully announced the postponement. it would’ve been better if she did it earlier before [so many fans had heat strokes and fainted](https://x.com/13behindthemall/status/1725955047442313300?s=46&t=i4itIU9sr97gPpTdlGScHw), but better late than never i guess.
i mean in the sense that due to global warming and the unfair effects in big cities south of the equator, it's always a gamble weather-wise. hopefully Monday is better though
There’s one clip before “champagne problems” of Taylor at the piano literally directing venue staff HERSELF toward people who needed water. Then later in the show, while performing “All Too Well”, she literally had to start throwing water HERSELF to fans. She had to stop playing guitar to make sure her fans were taken care of.
Yeah, this is insane. The venue should be on this and if they are too irresponsible then Taylor’s team should be on it. Taylor’s job in that moment should be to perform, not to be providing provisions.
This is so horribly sad. May she rest in peace ❤️
This is completely preventable, and inexcusable. It should be illegal everywhere to restrict someone from drinking water. It should be illegal to even sell water above a certain unit price too. They ban you from bringing your own water, and you have to choose between a $30 bottle of water or risk dehydration/death. Fucking ridiculous.
Thought this was just a rumor, disappointed to hear this is true. Stadiums need to allow fans to bring in water and in these temps should be providing water for free. Frankly, the show should’ve been stopped if it was that hot, fans were passing out, and they weren’t reliably getting water. I know Taylor tried, but it just wasn’t enough for the number of people in the stadium. The venue should’ve been doing something. This situation is just wild. Apparently, part of the problem is that the venue covered up openings that provided ventilation because they didn’t want people to see the show from the outside. I hope the venue is held responsible.
>Apparently, part of the problem is that the venue covered up openings that provided ventilation because they didn’t want people to see the show from the outside. This is so fucking greedy on the part of the promoters, knowing that Taylor has performed in some US stadiums where the screen of the show can be seen by outsiders from certain angles and she couldn't care less to restrict that.
That's also got to be in contradiction of some of the structure operation codes. Wtf.
Was this stadium also a GA pit? That’s what’s insane to me about some of these international dates…and when people talk about this on Tik Tok, the comments are always full of international fans like “well we can have a bit lit because we know how to behave unlike you Americans!!” Like dude. It’s a safety thing. So sad :(
Yes, all the Latin American shows are GA floor.
Ugh
if it wasn't GA, almost no one would be able to afford tickets in latam. atm, floor seats are literally a month's minimum wage. also GA is part of out culture, the issue is with safety precautions and greed
This is just mind boggingly stupid to continue reading. I really don’t give a fuck if GA is part of your culture, there is never a world where Taylor Swift — at the level she’s at — should be playing to GA crowds. Even without heat, it’s dangerous. If a country/venue can’t accommodate assigned floor seats, they should be skipped, period.
most artists even bigger than taylor play concerts with GA crowds. it's usually alright. like Beyonce and paul McCartney for example. the reason why this one was extra awful is the covering of vents to keep people from neighboring buildings to look into the stadium
Paul Mcartney and Beyonce aren’t bigger than Taylor in 2023 be so for real right now
over here, they are. it's bot a personal opinion, it's because they have a more diverse audience. case in point, both have done more concerts previously in the past few years, play bigger stadiums and yet, they are always sold out. coldplay played like a dozen sold out shows with over 70k people in the audience. harry styles sold out the stadium in minutes. something that people fail to understand is that taylor is in fact super popular here and drives crowds, but all popular artists do. the whole debacle with high ticket demand the eras tour caused is just another monday in latin america because we don't usually have tens of stops and multiple opportunities to see our favorite artists. and when we do, of we don't live in big cities, the cost is astronomical
May she rest in peace 🙏
So sad and even sadder is the fact it was so preventable. I had no idea this charging insane prices for water was a thing tbh, every concert I’ve ever been to whether that be a stadium or an arena has had free water. I was at a concert last night and the arena had built in free water fountains and plastic cups everywhere. Usually in the pit the security people give out free water bottles when you ask. I hope this is the incident that causes those venues to rethink their policies.
What a beautiful soul. I’m saddened by this and infuriated at the venue. How terrible.
100% should have stopped the show but if the venue staff couldn’t even give water to people how could they be trusted to get people out safely? The risk of a crowd crush would have been so high, added to the emotional turmoil of fans it could have been even more deadly. I can’t imagine how horrible it must’ve been to feel that unsafe.
my heart hurts for the one who lost her life, she was too young and a concert should not have been her place to go. this obviously shows how shit happens when capitalism goes too far, businesses will always prioritise their interests. GA should've never been a thing for an event as big as hers where you have thousands of passionate people gathered together in a small space. i wonder if it was all worth it
Doesn’t she have more nights at this venue? Surely she’s gonna cancel, it’s going to be even more hot.
They haven’t canceled and the only reason why I can think she hasn’t is that the Brazilian fans still want the show to go on (according to people attending the show tonight on Twitter) and that Taylor is locked in a contract that makes it extremely difficult to cancel
Gatorade and Water should be given out in bulk for free at _all_ concerts.
Shiiiiit
[Even Taylor herself was having trouble breading in the end of the show](https://x.com/visoncorneliast/status/1725967470945542308?s=46&t=uEoUkS1etWenVxhKn-7VcQ).
Taylor Swift became a billionaire by profiting off of these very audiences and their exploitation. There’s not a single good reason a literal billionaire should be forcing thousands of people to watch her perform for hours in a hot stadium with no water and no proper ventilation. She is a billionaire, she has every power to make sure this kind of situation doesn’t happen. It’s immoral to perform in a venue where water is banned. How does she expect these fans to deal with these conditions? She’s not at fault but she, as a billionaire, can 100% do something about this and prevent it. And she also became a billionaire off of these very conditions.
That’s not how any of this works. I get the urge to criticize all billionaires in the same way, but concert goers aren’t employees. They aren’t forced to be there. In fact, they pay to attend. Imagine if Swift rolled in with her own platoon of venue employees, sidelining the locals and violating any local contracts. Not only would it be unpopular, these venues probably wouldn’t even allow it. People complain about mega-tours not stopping much outside North America and Europe, and here’s why. The local laws and protocols outside these places just aren’t as robust in support of crowd safety. Not only is it not in a tour’s power to chance local laws, it would be wildly immoral and colonialist to do so. If we want to criticize Swift as a billionaire, we need to look at how she compensates people that help make what she sells. Do the people making her merch make a livable wage? Does the touring staff? Do the people working for her have safe working conditions? That’s the stuff Swift is responsible for. Unfortunately this incident lies firmly on the shoulders of the Brazilian government. Swift and other tours could refuse to travel anywhere with a government that doesn’t have its citizens utmost safety as a priority, but then there’d be no tours.
There needs to be no tours. She’s already a billionaire and she still can’t keep people from dying at her own concert? And the tour is flat out horrible for the environment, especially with her additional jet trips. If she can’t have a tour with venues that allow water so people don’t die, then maybe she shouldn’t have the tour. She’s a billionaire. I think people are forgetting how much money a billionaire has. Absolutely too much money.
So no concert touring at all? No events at which someone might get hurt? Should we go ahead and cancel every sporting event, festival, parade, convention, religious service, protest, rally, potluck and group meditation at which someone might get injured? Are billionaires responsible for preventing any and all accidental deaths that happen near them? Of course not. People need and want to get together to have fun. Sometimes that’s dangerous. Whether it’s to see a billionaire sing songs or participate in the 300 year old Rio Carnival (at which several people die every year). I get your “billionaires = bad” sentiment. They shouldn’t exist. But how much money Swift has really doesn’t have anything to do with what happened. Hopefully the spotlight on this particular incident leads to policy change so going to large events in Rio becomes safer.
I guess I disagree. If this was a company and not an individual with some of the most fans in the world, people would absolutely be holding them responsible. I don’t feel like it’s that different than the Travis Scott concert. Yeah she tried to give water but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know it’s too hot in there to watch the entire concert with no water. And I don’t buy the narrative that she has no control over her fans (who paid her billionaire status) being hydrated, I don’t believe she couldn’t make sure the air conditioning and ventilation at her own concert was up to safety codes. What is she even paying all those people in her tour for then?
She had control, brought water herself and multiple times asked the crew to hand them out. They didn’t listen. Fans have this on video that they just stood around with boxes of water. At one point she even started handing them out herself mid-singing. There is a lot to criticize her for, you can start with her merch price gouging or her private jet, but this one lies on the organizer and venue because they didn’t listen to her. Water was only handed out when her own team came down and took matters into their own hands, because the stadium staff did nothing.
Travis Scott is blamed because he explicitly encourages his audiences to behave in violent, aggressive ways. He posts videos telling them to get violent and become as intoxicated as possible. Even then, it’s still on the venue and local authorities to provide adequate security and infrastructure to prevent injury. I’m not sure what you expect Swift’s tour staff to be capable of here. It’s not Eras tour staff that keeps people from injury at her US tour dates, it’s OSHA and local fire codes. They have no authority in Rio. The venue appears to have had ventilation. It wasn’t used properly. The local fire department should have inspected the venue on the day of the event to catch that. Fire Departments in Brazil are a branch of the military. Should Swift have overthrown the Brazilian government to set up her own military force to ensure safety compliance? Americans setting up tin pot dictators in South America hasn’t worked out well so far. Perhaps you don’t travel internationally much, but when visiting and working in other countries, you have to obey the local laws. Swift’s paying all these people on her tour to put on her show, which they do. She’s responsible for how her employees conduct themselves and enforcing a safe working environment. No tour employees have been injured and no safety hazards occurred because of tour staff negligence. You say this would be different if it was a company and not an individual. How so? What’s an example?
Dude she did do stuff. She bought hundreds of bottles of water and told the venue staff to hand them out, and they refused. Then she ordered her personal staff to hand out water. Taylor was taking water bottles (I’m pretty sure ones meant for her own use since they were coming from the stage) and tossing them to fans while performing. The venue staff covered the ventilation vents in the stadium, didn’t allow water bottles in the stadium, and refused to pass out the water bottles that Taylor bought with her own money. Taylor did everything she could when she was in the situation, and I think she handled it as well as anyone could. She definitely wasn’t forcing people to watch- they all bought their tickets and chose to be there
So she’s powerless as a billionaire to prevent this or solve it? It’s her responsibility to make sure her concert is safe for her fans and that they don’t die watching her perform. It’s not just her responsibility, it’s a bunch of people’s responsibility, but considering the whole tour is to make her money and she’s a billionaire, I’m just not understanding how in the world someone could die at her concert. Like this was completely avoidable. Again, she never should’ve been okay with performing for a hot stadium of fans if water was banned. Who would let a stadium they’re performing in ban water? Like it’s immoral for her to be a billionaire from these fans while simultaneously expecting them to watch her perform without any water. She had no control over the water being banned from the stadium? At her own concert? She’s a billionaire and she couldn’t persuade the venue to allow *water*? I don’t think she should get off scott free as a billionaire, when she is directly profiting off of this exploitation.
People assured her that they would do their jobs and they didn’t. They lied to her. Is she supposed to see the future and just know that they wouldn’t do their jobs?
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Mourns her by saying that she won’t ever talk about it in public… seems like a cop out to meeeeee but that’s just me
She didn’t say ever. I assumed she just meant at the next shows/Rio shows, because people would be expecting it, and it seems fair to me considering it just happened yesterday
also she has a few designated "talking" sections and it might be a bit awkward/jarring to be like "rest in peace ana, now let's do Cruel Summer"
The double standard between this and the Travis Scott incident is mindblowing. Every article was calling Travis a murderer and saying it was solely his fault but in this situation it’s all on the venue and poor Taylor the victim did nothing wrong. Neither of the situations was on the artists but Travis literally got all the blame for his incident. Also he canceled all of his next shows for like a year while Taylor plans to perform again in those same conditions because god forbid she loses a little bit of cash
one actively encouraged his fans to act like a bunch of jackasses while the other tried her best to provide water even though the stadium staff refused to help. you're missing some major info buddy.
love how travis’s apology is seen as weak and a publicity stunt, while taylor really cares. neither are at fault but the double standards are obvious and people don’t want to accept that
also not to mention taylor didn’t even apologize, she just said it was too hot for her next show, while travis, even though it was a little bad, still apologized, and i hate to say it but if travis’s PR team had done the apology yall wouldn’t be flaming him
Astroworld (Taylor’s Version).
WATER IS A BASIC HUMAN RIGHT.