Well yeah, most of those 50s rock and rollers were pedophiles, Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard, Chuck Berry, etc.
I ask about the racist thing because I see it repeated on Reddit any time Elvis' name is mentioned, but I've never really seen anything that indicated that he was a racist.
That's why I said "arguably". It's hard to compare a guy who married his 13 year old cousin to a guy who seeked out underage girls, hired a hooker to piss on and fart in her mouth, and put hidden cameras in a women's bathroom. Both guys sound like they were complete assholes with massive egos as well.
The point a lot of Black musicians make, as far as I understood it, is that he took the music of a heavily oppressed minority (remember, it's the 50s) and sells it with his face on it, making it appealing to the broader racist society.
He becomes incredibly rich, while the people who invented his style of music live oppressed and in poverty.
I'm not here to debate the ethics of cultural appropriation but I think it's understandable why some people might be pissed about it.
Elvis is from Tupelo, MS. He wasn't a middle class kid from the suburbs. He grew up crushingly poor in a black neighborhood. The music he "stole" was the music he grew up with and loved. There is certainly an argument that the music execs that packaged and sold him to white audiences were racist because they were filled with glee that a white boy could sing "black music". This was not a new thing.
Agreed. B.B. King said Elvis didn't have a racist bone in his body and even Chuck D walked back his comments on Elvis being racist. Good enough for me. We shouldn't shit on Elvis for racism, we should shit on him for being a fuckin pedo. If we want to shit on someone for being racist and stealing black music then we should be talking about Clapton.
Based. Fuck Clapton. Cream is the only thing he ever did that was actually good. And even then, Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker were far better musicians and they’re the whole reason Cream was good. I mean who the fuck listens to Cream for the guitar playing?
It’s not like Elvis stole the music. He was inspired by it and incorporated into his own art. You’re blaming Elvis for the fact that society was racist and didn’t want to listen to black performers.
Well that’s a stupid point to make. That’s like saying Marty Friedman is a racist and is culturally appropriating Japan because he was inspired by Japanese music.
Music only benefits from “cultural appropriation” there’s literally no downside to having musical influences from other cultures. All it does is make the music more unique and interesting. Anyone who wants to go off at white musicians like Elvis or Eminem for “stealing” “black music” is a fucking moron.
Music is the universal language. To say that black people can only make this type of music and white people can only make that type of music is not only ignorant, it’s fucking racist.
Overall, no. Elvis went to black churches as a kid, he was largely responsible for integration in music, which Jesse Jackson credited him for.
The real people who “stole black music” were Lonnie Donnegan, Pat Boone, and Led Zeppelin who straight up re-recorded Blues artists’ songs without crediting them
Whether he was racist or not I couldn’t say, but he was a white-skinned repackaging of black American music so that they could commercialize it. I don’t know enough details to know whether Elvis was “in on it”, but for sure the producers/record execs stole a lot from those communities.
I mean there’s a difference between a random person playing a blues scale and a white pop-star taking songs wholesale from an oppressed people and making millions and playing to segregated audiences.
I disagree. He didn't persnally segregate the audience. It was a shitty Era. We're the Beatles racist? How about the Clash playing Ska and reggae.
What is guitar based music if not for the blues? Folk. So, white people should be allowed to play folk and classical guitar, I guess? What would guitar music look like today.
Where do you draw the line? Are artists not allowed to draw inspiration from those that came before them? Was he derivative? Sure, most musicians are. How many truly original, genre establishing guitar bands have ever existed? Like 5, and even those are ultimately rooted in the blues if you go back far enough
The Beatles weren’t neutral. I think they were in Vegas when they were informed that their show in Florida would be a segregated audience. Paul McCartney was apparently the first of the band to speak up and they said they straight up refused to play the show until they were assured it was not going to be segregated.
The Clash were also famously anti racist. To the point of organizing festivals against racism. Influence can be drawn, whether or not the person drawing acknowledges it and by how much is the issue.
Right, but I’m not saying it’s racist to take influence from music of other cultures.
My entire point is that taking influence from other cultures when done respectfully is absolutely fine. I’m a white working class British person, and I love reggae, ska, and blues. I don’t think anyone would have a problem if I started a blues or ska band. A lot of that type of music is ingrained in mainstream media in the UK.
But given the context of Elvis, a white person making millions playing songs taken directly from black musicians, often without crediting them, and playing to segregated audiences. I can see why people have a problem with it. Led Zeppelin and the Beatles have similar issues too. Whether Elvis was racist personally I have literally no idea.
The clash were influenced by ska and reggae cause at the time in London both those subcultures shared the geography and politics of working class counter cultures. Don Letts talks about it in his Punk documentary after the live punk shows the sound clash soundsystems played the after partys. It was inspiration and homage rather than cultural appropriation. They were all in it together.
https://www.anothermag.com/design-living/13931/don-letts-interview-rebel-dreads-review-2022
Yeah, he was fucking a 16 year old girl when he was 24. There is also speculation that he was sexually abusing Billy Preston when he was a part of his band while he was a teenager in the early '60s, but that is just speculation and not confirmed. Unfortunately, Billy Preston turned out to be a pedophile too.
Most of the comments I've seen about Elvis being racist comes from him "stealing" black musicians music. What's rarely mentioned is how there were very few musicians writing their own songs and the fact that Elvis gave credit where it was due. If anything he's responsible for bringing "black music" to the mainstream. I don't remember the source, but I also remember someone calling him the king of rock 'n roll and Elvis saying "no, that would be Fats Domino." He was a white man from the South though, and he also did a rendition of "Dixie" on a live album in his later years, so there's that... He was a total creep when it came to underage girls, and groomed Priscilla, but I am a fan of his music for total clarity.
Yeah Elvis’s popularity was moreso a result of white audiences ignoring Black performers. Not a case of appropriation. He credited the people who songs he covered, and a lot of Black performers also covered songs. In blues and in jazz there’s this whole idea of “standards” and musical quotation that shows you have engaged with the cultural and musical conversation.
*In later years, Chuck would somewhat moderate his views on the King:*
*“As a musicologist — and I consider myself one — there was always a great deal of respect for Elvis, especially during his Sun sessions. As a black people, we all knew that,” the rapper said.
“My whole thing was the one-sidedness — like, Elvis' icon status in America made it like nobody else counted. … My heroes came from someone else. My heroes came before him. My heroes were probably his heroes. As far as Elvis being ‘The King,’ I couldn’t buy that”*
Without Elvis I would not know who Sister Rosetta Tharpe was at a young age, or Big Mama Thornton. Is it racist Elvis covered some gospel r & b from people who didn't have the same pigmentation? I saw an interview with a women from the Sweet Inspirations about Elvis, based on her stories, it sure doesn't sound like he was racist but amerikkka was.
Elvis may not have been racist, but the context of the time definitely was. Honestly, I don't care whether or not he was racist, I care more about spreading awareness of the black (often women) individuals who pioneered the songs but were never credited in their lifetimes.
Elvis fucked children. I don't care if he wasn't racist, he fucked kids and people who fuck kids need to be outed as such and deserve to have their legacies torn down
I agree with you. That's fucked up. It's also fucked up there were songs written called sweet 16 by Sam Cooke and others. I am not saying they are right but in a historical context that was not illegal like today, today it's 18 and maybe in a few years even fucking an 18 year old will be illegal if you are an adult. Just like the legal smoking and alcohol age and age to serve in war use to also be much younger. Probably most war vets also fucked under aged people. People who do fuck kids need to be relinquished from society. I can not fathom someone fucking anyone who is 10 years or more younger. It's fucked up that still in Alabama you can fuck someone under age if you get permission from the parents. Weird shit.
I think at any time in history, a 25+ year old person hooking up with a 14 year old person should be condemned. I'm pushing 40 now and I have a hard time seeing people under 25 as not kids. If I wasn't married I probably wouldn't date anyone under 30.
It's not just the age gap, it's the massive power imbalance as well. Young girls who idolized this pedo were going to do things they wouldn't do for someone with less status and power. He exploited them. There is no whitewashing that with it was the times arguments. Some things are just always bad, pedophilia is definitely one of them.
It's all good. We are just sharing. I love Public Enemy but they never existed at the same time. The Sweet Inspirations were Elvis's main backup singers. They sung Soul Gospel before Elvis asked them to do backup singing and she said in her interview Elvis bought them all Cadillacs on top of them getting paid, compared to Amerikkka which is actually the name of Ice Cubes first record after he left NWA. Amerikkkas Most Wanted is Ice Cube, not Public Enemy FYI. Lynch Mob from Compton. A lot of musician's are inspired by many people. I think it is racist if only a white guy can play songs by white people, a black man by only black people, and etc. No race. No gender and fuck the KKK.
Oh yeah you're talking about Public Enemy from a Fear of a Black Planet I think. Good rhythm and good quote. Some people write songs when they are young and change. Flavor flav also recorded with Robert Lamm from the band Chicago.
As long as the information is accurate and has been throughly analyzed by peers and/or historians, podcasts can be used as a reference for MLA and APA citations.
So yes, homie literally did just did that.
Are you unable to distinguish well-researched and documented presentations from random bullshit that comes up in your social media feed? Seems like you might be.
“Homie literally listed a documentary as a source lmao” - that’s you, that’s what you sound like.
He was also a hypocrite, staying home during WW2 when many other Hollywood stars of the time served, but John Wayne was the one making war movies and getting credit as a bad ass instead. People try and excuse it because of his age (mid-30s) at the outset of the war, but both Clark Gable and Jimmy Stewart were similar aged (or older) and served.
Marion Morrison was fake as shit.
More quotes and a longer version of this can be found [here.](https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/reason/2017/01/31/fact-check-did-john-wayne-express-racist-views-to-blacks-and-american-indians/984860007/)
I gotta talk about how cool I am for a minute 😂. But I went into some random ass shithole bare that had a big ass rot guarding the door one time with a friend. They had literally hundreds of John Wayne pictures all over the wall and I played this song on touch tunes lol. Old white fuckers didn’t do shit
Not quite a Nazi but he was 100% an outspokenly racist piece of garbage. There was an incident where he had to be held back by security because he wanted to get on stage at an award show to remove a native american women who was speaking.
He liked to pretend to be a cowboy in real life as well as the movies.
That wasn’t just an awards show. It was the Oscars in 1973, when Marlon Brando let Sacheen Littlefeather speak on his behalf after he won Best Actor for The Godfather.
She used the time to decline the award for Brando, citing his opposition to how Native Americans are treated and depicted by Hollywood.
Wayne went apeshit, and had to be restrained by six security guards, who kept him from rushing the stage.
Ah, I tried to find the bit, but I couldn't find it. Basically they start doing John Wayne impressions but in a Cali surfer accent, and it's hilarious.
I agree with most of this, but I have looked for evidence of this incident and can’t find anything. I don’t know if it ever happened.
He was still a racist piece of garbage.
Despite his son's attempts to whitewash history (literally), he proudly proclaimed himself a white supremacist and, despite portraying war heros in film, he was absolutely a chicken hawk who never served in the military, and didn't even try to enlist until *after* various Hollywood-types started calling out his hypocrisy (at which time he attempted to enlist, but the army was worried he'd be a big target by that time).
So: FUCK HIM!
If you ever want to see a shit show of a white -washed movie, look up “The Conqueror”, where he plays Ghengis Khan. They also filmed that near nuclear test sites and many of the crew ended up dying from radiation-derived cancer.
My dad was a big John Wayne fan since he grew up watching his movies. He absolutely hated The Conqueror and claimed it was probably not only John Wayne's worst movie but one of the worst of all time.
John Wayne is a dogwhistle for boomers.
Once a guy says Wayne. I can smell the old time racism. It's insane how bad he was.
-restrained by security guards because of native speaking of her cultures hardship. Yknow the one you victimized in your movies.
-openly racist. Like. Openly.
-everyone who was in highschool around the little rock 9 loves his ass.
If you wanna pull a black klansman style thing. Just say you love John Wayne. And they will test you lmao.
When people try to stereotype everyone in the Baby Boomer generation, they don't understand the influence of people like this.
The 80s was a time when people in their 40s and 50s (the WWII generation) were trying to revisit 50s culture.
Revisiting the 50s was about 2 main things:
The spoken one was post-war optimism.
The unspoken one was about the pre-civil rights/pre-counter-culture era.
They were filled with hate.
Dudes an actual racist asshole. Always felt weird about having to go through the airport named after him growing up in OC that had a big statue of him. I love westerns but I’d be lying if he didn’t bore the fuck out of me in almost all of them.
Watch the movies, watch some old interviews, read a few old articles, come up with your own opinion of the man instead of coming here asking us all what you *should* think about him
"Elvis was a hero to most
But he never meant shit to me you see
Straight up racist that sucker was
Simple and plain
Motherfuck him and John Wayne"-Chuck D (Public Enemy)
Aside from the blatant racism he endorsed mentioned in this comment section, he also only did one character, the "badass" character either as a cowboy, a Green Beret, or Ghengis Khan in a movie so bad, it gave him cancer.
Every time I hear John Wayne, I always think of this song and have to be careful because people mostly look at me weird when I say he was a Nazi, almost like I am speaking in tongue.
john wane was a nazi
he love to play SS
kept a picture of
Adolf boy, in his cowboy vest
he was a nazi.....not
he was a nazi.....death evened ghe score
he was a nazi.... not anymore
he's dead dead dead!
Hadn't thought of that song in a while
As others have mentioned, there was that unfortunate episode at the Oscars where Wayne had to be restrained from attacking Sacheen Littlefeather.
But I agree with you that The Searchers presents a character who is deeply flawed and whose racism is not celebrated.
Elvis was a hero to most
but he never meant shit to me ya see
straight up racist
simple and plain
motherfuck him and John Wayne
- Chuck D, Public Enemy
POS. Hit women allegedly, but treated women poorly for sure and anyone he felt was lesser then him. Also was a huge supporter of the Vietnam War and beating war protesters.
He would be so proud of his birth State of Iowa though.
If you want to know all the dirty details Behind the Bastards podcast did a 2 or 3 episode series all about him.
He was mentioned in fuck Hollywood by anti heroes. I played the song to my dad and he told me a little bit. From what he remembered, John Wayne was talking shit on Mexicans and blacks. Not in a joking way either
Dave Dictor was completely on point, in this song and many other MDC classics. John Wayne was a racist and just like our "history" classes in school, he/they want to skate over the facts of brutality and genocide inflicted upon the indigenous population after European contact.
Miller:
John Wayne was a fag.
Miller:
He was, too, you boys. I installed two-way mirrors in his pad in Brentwood, and he come to the door in a dress.
Repo Man
I had to research John Wayne quotes for an old job often. Man was he an ignorant pile of something.
“A woman should have a meal on the table when a man gets home”
“If everything can’t be black and white, I say why the hell not?”
And that the native Americans were “selfishly trying to keep the land for themselves”
He was a draft dodger who played war heroes in movies like a little bitch. Jimmy Stewart hated him because Stewart was the real deal war hero. Fuck John Wayne.
Amazing how many people here have strong opinions on his personal life while obviously having seen few if any of his movies.
Me personally- I have little interest in Wayne’s personal life, and even less in assessing his “acting ability.” For classical Hollywood presences like Wayne, you don’t really assess their acting on some conventional level that people here might expect. Anyway, I dislike John Ford, what his brand of filmmaking is and stands for. Wayne’s at least one of classical Hollywood’s true bright spots in SPITE of those lame westerns.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/behind-the-bastards/id1373812661?i=1000558725028 He was a racist prick. Public enemy also talked shit about him.
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Was Elvis actually racist though?
It’s debated whether Elvis was. But what’s undebated is that he liked to date 14 year olds.
Elvis was a pop punk pioneer
Maybe he inspired Justin DiddleSane from Anti Consent to be a groomer and R@pist.
Anti-Consent. Damn I haven’t heard that one yet.
I’m not going to lie, I have some Elvis records. But Eddie Cochran is dope too and doesn’t have the baggage.
Elvis was a pill poppin on the pooper pioneer.
The 4 P’s
Well yeah, most of those 50s rock and rollers were pedophiles, Jerry Lee Lewis, Little Richard, Chuck Berry, etc. I ask about the racist thing because I see it repeated on Reddit any time Elvis' name is mentioned, but I've never really seen anything that indicated that he was a racist.
Chuck Berry was out there farting in hookers' mouths
Yeah, he was arguably the worst of the bunch. He had cameras in the women's bathroom at his restaurant, too.
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That's why I said "arguably". It's hard to compare a guy who married his 13 year old cousin to a guy who seeked out underage girls, hired a hooker to piss on and fart in her mouth, and put hidden cameras in a women's bathroom. Both guys sound like they were complete assholes with massive egos as well.
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To be fair- where Jerry Lee was from, it wasn’t that uncommon. From our pov, yeah it’s pretty fucked.
The point a lot of Black musicians make, as far as I understood it, is that he took the music of a heavily oppressed minority (remember, it's the 50s) and sells it with his face on it, making it appealing to the broader racist society. He becomes incredibly rich, while the people who invented his style of music live oppressed and in poverty. I'm not here to debate the ethics of cultural appropriation but I think it's understandable why some people might be pissed about it.
Elvis is from Tupelo, MS. He wasn't a middle class kid from the suburbs. He grew up crushingly poor in a black neighborhood. The music he "stole" was the music he grew up with and loved. There is certainly an argument that the music execs that packaged and sold him to white audiences were racist because they were filled with glee that a white boy could sing "black music". This was not a new thing.
Agreed. B.B. King said Elvis didn't have a racist bone in his body and even Chuck D walked back his comments on Elvis being racist. Good enough for me. We shouldn't shit on Elvis for racism, we should shit on him for being a fuckin pedo. If we want to shit on someone for being racist and stealing black music then we should be talking about Clapton.
Based. Fuck Clapton. Cream is the only thing he ever did that was actually good. And even then, Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker were far better musicians and they’re the whole reason Cream was good. I mean who the fuck listens to Cream for the guitar playing?
It’s not like Elvis stole the music. He was inspired by it and incorporated into his own art. You’re blaming Elvis for the fact that society was racist and didn’t want to listen to black performers.
Yeah, and lets face it Ike Turner... *had his issues*. **But Rocket 88 for life!**
Well that’s a stupid point to make. That’s like saying Marty Friedman is a racist and is culturally appropriating Japan because he was inspired by Japanese music. Music only benefits from “cultural appropriation” there’s literally no downside to having musical influences from other cultures. All it does is make the music more unique and interesting. Anyone who wants to go off at white musicians like Elvis or Eminem for “stealing” “black music” is a fucking moron. Music is the universal language. To say that black people can only make this type of music and white people can only make that type of music is not only ignorant, it’s fucking racist.
Overall, no. Elvis went to black churches as a kid, he was largely responsible for integration in music, which Jesse Jackson credited him for. The real people who “stole black music” were Lonnie Donnegan, Pat Boone, and Led Zeppelin who straight up re-recorded Blues artists’ songs without crediting them
Whether he was racist or not I couldn’t say, but he was a white-skinned repackaging of black American music so that they could commercialize it. I don’t know enough details to know whether Elvis was “in on it”, but for sure the producers/record execs stole a lot from those communities.
If that's racist, so is anyone who ever played a blues scale on the guitar. Pretty much any guitar band.
I mean there’s a difference between a random person playing a blues scale and a white pop-star taking songs wholesale from an oppressed people and making millions and playing to segregated audiences.
I disagree. He didn't persnally segregate the audience. It was a shitty Era. We're the Beatles racist? How about the Clash playing Ska and reggae. What is guitar based music if not for the blues? Folk. So, white people should be allowed to play folk and classical guitar, I guess? What would guitar music look like today. Where do you draw the line? Are artists not allowed to draw inspiration from those that came before them? Was he derivative? Sure, most musicians are. How many truly original, genre establishing guitar bands have ever existed? Like 5, and even those are ultimately rooted in the blues if you go back far enough
The Beatles weren’t neutral. I think they were in Vegas when they were informed that their show in Florida would be a segregated audience. Paul McCartney was apparently the first of the band to speak up and they said they straight up refused to play the show until they were assured it was not going to be segregated. The Clash were also famously anti racist. To the point of organizing festivals against racism. Influence can be drawn, whether or not the person drawing acknowledges it and by how much is the issue.
Right, but I’m not saying it’s racist to take influence from music of other cultures. My entire point is that taking influence from other cultures when done respectfully is absolutely fine. I’m a white working class British person, and I love reggae, ska, and blues. I don’t think anyone would have a problem if I started a blues or ska band. A lot of that type of music is ingrained in mainstream media in the UK. But given the context of Elvis, a white person making millions playing songs taken directly from black musicians, often without crediting them, and playing to segregated audiences. I can see why people have a problem with it. Led Zeppelin and the Beatles have similar issues too. Whether Elvis was racist personally I have literally no idea.
The clash were influenced by ska and reggae cause at the time in London both those subcultures shared the geography and politics of working class counter cultures. Don Letts talks about it in his Punk documentary after the live punk shows the sound clash soundsystems played the after partys. It was inspiration and homage rather than cultural appropriation. They were all in it together. https://www.anothermag.com/design-living/13931/don-letts-interview-rebel-dreads-review-2022
There also was a lower age of consent at the time, I believe.
Little Richard?
Yeah, he was fucking a 16 year old girl when he was 24. There is also speculation that he was sexually abusing Billy Preston when he was a part of his band while he was a teenager in the early '60s, but that is just speculation and not confirmed. Unfortunately, Billy Preston turned out to be a pedophile too.
Most of the comments I've seen about Elvis being racist comes from him "stealing" black musicians music. What's rarely mentioned is how there were very few musicians writing their own songs and the fact that Elvis gave credit where it was due. If anything he's responsible for bringing "black music" to the mainstream. I don't remember the source, but I also remember someone calling him the king of rock 'n roll and Elvis saying "no, that would be Fats Domino." He was a white man from the South though, and he also did a rendition of "Dixie" on a live album in his later years, so there's that... He was a total creep when it came to underage girls, and groomed Priscilla, but I am a fan of his music for total clarity.
Yeah Elvis’s popularity was moreso a result of white audiences ignoring Black performers. Not a case of appropriation. He credited the people who songs he covered, and a lot of Black performers also covered songs. In blues and in jazz there’s this whole idea of “standards” and musical quotation that shows you have engaged with the cultural and musical conversation.
*In later years, Chuck would somewhat moderate his views on the King:* *“As a musicologist — and I consider myself one — there was always a great deal of respect for Elvis, especially during his Sun sessions. As a black people, we all knew that,” the rapper said. “My whole thing was the one-sidedness — like, Elvis' icon status in America made it like nobody else counted. … My heroes came from someone else. My heroes came before him. My heroes were probably his heroes. As far as Elvis being ‘The King,’ I couldn’t buy that”*
Without Elvis I would not know who Sister Rosetta Tharpe was at a young age, or Big Mama Thornton. Is it racist Elvis covered some gospel r & b from people who didn't have the same pigmentation? I saw an interview with a women from the Sweet Inspirations about Elvis, based on her stories, it sure doesn't sound like he was racist but amerikkka was.
Elvis may not have been racist, but the context of the time definitely was. Honestly, I don't care whether or not he was racist, I care more about spreading awareness of the black (often women) individuals who pioneered the songs but were never credited in their lifetimes.
Elvis fucked children. I don't care if he wasn't racist, he fucked kids and people who fuck kids need to be outed as such and deserve to have their legacies torn down
I agree with you. That's fucked up. It's also fucked up there were songs written called sweet 16 by Sam Cooke and others. I am not saying they are right but in a historical context that was not illegal like today, today it's 18 and maybe in a few years even fucking an 18 year old will be illegal if you are an adult. Just like the legal smoking and alcohol age and age to serve in war use to also be much younger. Probably most war vets also fucked under aged people. People who do fuck kids need to be relinquished from society. I can not fathom someone fucking anyone who is 10 years or more younger. It's fucked up that still in Alabama you can fuck someone under age if you get permission from the parents. Weird shit.
So many songs up to the 79s were about teenage "women".It's gross.
I think at any time in history, a 25+ year old person hooking up with a 14 year old person should be condemned. I'm pushing 40 now and I have a hard time seeing people under 25 as not kids. If I wasn't married I probably wouldn't date anyone under 30. It's not just the age gap, it's the massive power imbalance as well. Young girls who idolized this pedo were going to do things they wouldn't do for someone with less status and power. He exploited them. There is no whitewashing that with it was the times arguments. Some things are just always bad, pedophilia is definitely one of them.
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It's all good. We are just sharing. I love Public Enemy but they never existed at the same time. The Sweet Inspirations were Elvis's main backup singers. They sung Soul Gospel before Elvis asked them to do backup singing and she said in her interview Elvis bought them all Cadillacs on top of them getting paid, compared to Amerikkka which is actually the name of Ice Cubes first record after he left NWA. Amerikkkas Most Wanted is Ice Cube, not Public Enemy FYI. Lynch Mob from Compton. A lot of musician's are inspired by many people. I think it is racist if only a white guy can play songs by white people, a black man by only black people, and etc. No race. No gender and fuck the KKK.
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Here is a youtube link- [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaHgZ2eHOZU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaHgZ2eHOZU)
Aw hell you beat me too it. And hell yes.
Werd
What's punkin', my rocks? (Was going to recommend the same episodes)
Do you know who's more punk than punk?
Not the Washington State police that's for sure
Don’t forget wife-beating pedophile
Oh yeah you're talking about Public Enemy from a Fear of a Black Planet I think. Good rhythm and good quote. Some people write songs when they are young and change. Flavor flav also recorded with Robert Lamm from the band Chicago.
Preach
Homie literally listed a podcast as a source lmao
As long as the information is accurate and has been throughly analyzed by peers and/or historians, podcasts can be used as a reference for MLA and APA citations. So yes, homie literally did just did that.
Are you unable to distinguish well-researched and documented presentations from random bullshit that comes up in your social media feed? Seems like you might be. “Homie literally listed a documentary as a source lmao” - that’s you, that’s what you sound like.
He was a far right movie star who was a huge supporter of McCarthy’s anti-communist witch hunt. And a terrible actor.
He was also a hypocrite, staying home during WW2 when many other Hollywood stars of the time served, but John Wayne was the one making war movies and getting credit as a bad ass instead. People try and excuse it because of his age (mid-30s) at the outset of the war, but both Clark Gable and Jimmy Stewart were similar aged (or older) and served. Marion Morrison was fake as shit.
He was also a woman beater who was drunk to the point of pissing himself most of the time
Yeah just an all around loser
And John Ford made him cry, what a baby.
Second half sounds kinda punk tho
Fuck John Wayne to death, but I feel personally attacked by the second part
“I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility,” - John Wayne
Oh.. goodie. Glad he's dead then. Fuck the Duke.
Wow so he was literally on some fucking manifest destiny bullshit.
What’s even better about this quote is that when he said it, he was drunk off his fucking ass and he slurred the shit out of this line lol
More quotes and a longer version of this can be found [here.](https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/reason/2017/01/31/fact-check-did-john-wayne-express-racist-views-to-blacks-and-american-indians/984860007/)
[Why did you retweet that?](https://youtu.be/Mnl-_UiSKfw?si=sJ2uWc0sfeK9Xo72)
John Wayne was a Nazi.
But not anymore.
He's dead, dead, dead!
And Joey Shithead was a drunk.
Then John Macias beat some hippie to a pulp, because having long hair was a mistake
I gotta talk about how cool I am for a minute 😂. But I went into some random ass shithole bare that had a big ass rot guarding the door one time with a friend. They had literally hundreds of John Wayne pictures all over the wall and I played this song on touch tunes lol. Old white fuckers didn’t do shit
Not quite a Nazi but he was 100% an outspokenly racist piece of garbage. There was an incident where he had to be held back by security because he wanted to get on stage at an award show to remove a native american women who was speaking. He liked to pretend to be a cowboy in real life as well as the movies.
That wasn’t just an awards show. It was the Oscars in 1973, when Marlon Brando let Sacheen Littlefeather speak on his behalf after he won Best Actor for The Godfather. She used the time to decline the award for Brando, citing his opposition to how Native Americans are treated and depicted by Hollywood. Wayne went apeshit, and had to be restrained by six security guards, who kept him from rushing the stage.
Say what you will about Brando and his questionable behavior elsewhere, but that Oscars stunt was such a respectable and badass thing to do
Weird twist, she wasn’t Native and was faking her heritage
Sad to say...
Yes, I came here to say this. He had to be physically restrained from attacking someone he disagreed with!! Racist POS.
> He liked to pretend to be a cowboy in real life Even though he was actually a bodysurfer from California named Marion
That bit on MBMBaM cracked me up, if that's what you're referencing.
Nah, it's just legit his backstory.
Ah, I tried to find the bit, but I couldn't find it. Basically they start doing John Wayne impressions but in a Cali surfer accent, and it's hilarious.
I agree with most of this, but I have looked for evidence of this incident and can’t find anything. I don’t know if it ever happened. He was still a racist piece of garbage.
I don't think about John Wayne
Despite his son's attempts to whitewash history (literally), he proudly proclaimed himself a white supremacist and, despite portraying war heros in film, he was absolutely a chicken hawk who never served in the military, and didn't even try to enlist until *after* various Hollywood-types started calling out his hypocrisy (at which time he attempted to enlist, but the army was worried he'd be a big target by that time). So: FUCK HIM!
Total piece of shit and his real name was Marion Morrison
If you ever want to see a shit show of a white -washed movie, look up “The Conqueror”, where he plays Ghengis Khan. They also filmed that near nuclear test sites and many of the crew ended up dying from radiation-derived cancer.
Just like the real gengis
My dad was a big John Wayne fan since he grew up watching his movies. He absolutely hated The Conqueror and claimed it was probably not only John Wayne's worst movie but one of the worst of all time.
John Wayne is a dogwhistle for boomers. Once a guy says Wayne. I can smell the old time racism. It's insane how bad he was. -restrained by security guards because of native speaking of her cultures hardship. Yknow the one you victimized in your movies. -openly racist. Like. Openly. -everyone who was in highschool around the little rock 9 loves his ass. If you wanna pull a black klansman style thing. Just say you love John Wayne. And they will test you lmao.
He made some really great films but he was a total piece of shit
I dont know did he was racist but he was a pedo for sure. Not only him,Bowie,Page or Jagger was too.
Fuck John Wayne. Shitty cowboy, even worst racist prick.
Just an early MAGA fuck. He died way too late in life.
He was a nazi
When people try to stereotype everyone in the Baby Boomer generation, they don't understand the influence of people like this. The 80s was a time when people in their 40s and 50s (the WWII generation) were trying to revisit 50s culture. Revisiting the 50s was about 2 main things: The spoken one was post-war optimism. The unspoken one was about the pre-civil rights/pre-counter-culture era. They were filled with hate.
“John Wayne was a fag” Miller from Repo Man 🤣🤣
Damn, was scrolling through the comments hoping nobody beat me to it! Plate of shrimp.
He was too, you boys!
You ever eat a lot of acid? Back in the hippie days?
Dudes an actual racist asshole. Always felt weird about having to go through the airport named after him growing up in OC that had a big statue of him. I love westerns but I’d be lying if he didn’t bore the fuck out of me in almost all of them.
He was a white supremacist in talk but I’ve never heard of any action behind it
Watch the movies, watch some old interviews, read a few old articles, come up with your own opinion of the man instead of coming here asking us all what you *should* think about him
"Elvis was a hero to most But he never meant shit to me you see Straight up racist that sucker was Simple and plain Motherfuck him and John Wayne"-Chuck D (Public Enemy)
Aside from the blatant racism he endorsed mentioned in this comment section, he also only did one character, the "badass" character either as a cowboy, a Green Beret, or Ghengis Khan in a movie so bad, it gave him cancer.
Kind of off the topic but like 70% of the people working on that film got cancer. They shot it on a nuclear testing site. Also fuck John Wayne
He was also a coward who did what he could to stay out of the big Dub Dub Dos. Check out the *Behind the Bastards* episode about him for details.
Fuck that guy
He was a chickenhawk piece of shit.
He fuckin sucks.
Every time I hear John Wayne, I always think of this song and have to be careful because people mostly look at me weird when I say he was a Nazi, almost like I am speaking in tongue.
All I know is, George A. never saw John Wayne on the sands of Iwo Jima
john wane was a nazi he love to play SS kept a picture of Adolf boy, in his cowboy vest he was a nazi.....not he was a nazi.....death evened ghe score he was a nazi.... not anymore he's dead dead dead! Hadn't thought of that song in a while
As others have mentioned, there was that unfortunate episode at the Oscars where Wayne had to be restrained from attacking Sacheen Littlefeather. But I agree with you that The Searchers presents a character who is deeply flawed and whose racism is not celebrated.
Elvis was a hero to most but he never meant shit to me ya see straight up racist simple and plain motherfuck him and John Wayne - Chuck D, Public Enemy
He was a massive c*nt.
POS. Hit women allegedly, but treated women poorly for sure and anyone he felt was lesser then him. Also was a huge supporter of the Vietnam War and beating war protesters. He would be so proud of his birth State of Iowa though. If you want to know all the dirty details Behind the Bastards podcast did a 2 or 3 episode series all about him.
He was mentioned in fuck Hollywood by anti heroes. I played the song to my dad and he told me a little bit. From what he remembered, John Wayne was talking shit on Mexicans and blacks. Not in a joking way either
Fucking white supremacist and shitty actor.
I don’t think about John Wayne. There’s enough in my life as it is.
Giant, reactionary, racist piece of shit. The world is a better place without him.
Millions of dead cops agree, John Wayne was a nazi
Tolerable punks are the most intolerable punks around.
Mother fuck him and Elvis.
“John Wayne wasn’t even John Wayne” -Patriot
I mean he sex trafficked a minor from Mexico and took her as a wife and punched a female costar in the face on set. Piece of shit
John Wayne is a hack
He was a one eyed fat man. Who spoke boldly.
Look up the "behind the bastards" podcast episode. Everything you need to know.
I think he couldn't even act as a hat.
He was a Nazi
You mean Marion?
Not much, but he really was a racist dick in real life so, there ya go
Rest in Piss Marion
Nazi
Dave Dictor was completely on point, in this song and many other MDC classics. John Wayne was a racist and just like our "history" classes in school, he/they want to skate over the facts of brutality and genocide inflicted upon the indigenous population after European contact.
He was a jack ass but he made a few pretty good westerns
He liked to play SS
The old true grit was pretty good except for the sappy ending. The remake was way better though, one of my favorite westerns
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENVuScl0Fi0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENVuScl0Fi0) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QHBIn-55Os](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QHBIn-55Os) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emk8OhtZ-4E](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emk8OhtZ-4E)
My dad liked him. So naturally I hate him.
John Wayne was a Nazi
He was a coward
Miller: John Wayne was a fag. Miller: He was, too, you boys. I installed two-way mirrors in his pad in Brentwood, and he come to the door in a dress. Repo Man
Not only a Nazi, a trans dressing one at that. John was Caitlyn before Caitlyn lol.
Yes, John Wayne was a Nazi Punk
He's an actor. He acted in movies. That's all I feel about him.
I have actually never thought about him
[https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/john-wayne-made-a-racist-joke-at-oscars/](https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/john-wayne-made-a-racist-joke-at-oscars/) [https://variety.com/2022/film/news/sacheen-littlefeather-john-wayne-assault-oscars-1235345008/](https://variety.com/2022/film/news/sacheen-littlefeather-john-wayne-assault-oscars-1235345008/)
I had to research John Wayne quotes for an old job often. Man was he an ignorant pile of something. “A woman should have a meal on the table when a man gets home” “If everything can’t be black and white, I say why the hell not?” And that the native Americans were “selfishly trying to keep the land for themselves”
I installed 2-way mirrors in his pad in Brentwood, and he’d come to the door in a dress.
He was a draft dodger who played war heroes in movies like a little bitch. Jimmy Stewart hated him because Stewart was the real deal war hero. Fuck John Wayne.
He's a dead peice of shit
*peace
Nah. He was a gronk.
He had two way mirrors installed in his pad up in Brentwood.
Great actor, shit human being. It’s sad.
Piece of shit. I agree with his opinion on the Panama Canal though.
you think you are punks when you literally follow the ideas imposed by the big media and the government LOL
Based
Amazing how many people here have strong opinions on his personal life while obviously having seen few if any of his movies. Me personally- I have little interest in Wayne’s personal life, and even less in assessing his “acting ability.” For classical Hollywood presences like Wayne, you don’t really assess their acting on some conventional level that people here might expect. Anyway, I dislike John Ford, what his brand of filmmaking is and stands for. Wayne’s at least one of classical Hollywood’s true bright spots in SPITE of those lame westerns.