untalented players make the best coaches. they stayed on rosters by doing the little things to make up for their lack of talent. you can teach the little things, but you can’t teach talent.
to use a baseball reference, it’s the exact reason why barry bonds, one of the best hitters to ever play, sucked as a hitting coach on the marlins. he would just say “see the way the ball is spinning and predict where it’s gonna go and then hit it into the bleachers, because that’s what i did” and none of his players could do that because they didn’t have his talent.
you want a coach who can say “i used to have a ton of trouble with my passing back in my early days, here’s what i did to improve myself” and things of that nature.
Should’ve used Gretzky as the head coach of the coyotes. Can’t teach talent anyone knows that, but TANNER GLASS?? Get dubi, prust, fuckin anyone but glass in there.
This isn't a bad thing.
Talented and gifted players tend to severely underestimate their own talent when giving retrospect of their careers and it colors their ability to connect and coach later on.
If something comes easy to you, you can continue on to something more advanced and keep going. So its harder to sometimes grasp why something that you found easy is so hard for someone else. As a coach you'll want to work on something that gave you trouble or something that i advanced while having this student/player struggle with something that you don't understand what they aren't getting.
There's a great story about this with Art Shell (football, former HC but also former OL). As a player, he was considered one of the greatest offensive lineman to play the game. He often talked about how hard he worked to get so good and how important his work ethic was (and he worked very hard). One time as a coach he was working with some lineman and they were having a problem with something he was teaching them. He couldn't get what they found difficult so he popped in a video tape of himself doing it to show to the players.
They watched and told him there was zero chance they could do it the way he did. He was showing them a clip of him (when he weighted 285 or so) moving his feet like a ballerina. They flat out said they didn't have the ability to do his footwork the way he did it that fast and quick with perfect technique. He was stunned, and they were stunned that he didn't get that.
You also sometimes see this with Mark Messier when he talks about how being tough and gritty was a factor in his success and talking about leadership. What he often leaves out was that he was one of the fastest players in the entire NHL and was a gifted passer and gifted stick handler pretty much from the begining who was able to pick up and learn thing rapidly from other gifted players. When you are that talented and gifted, you underestimate those talents and gifts. Messier does it pretty much all the time 24/7.
What you really want in a coach is the ability to communicate/teach but in terms of experience, someone who did NOT have the most natural talent and had to learn to adapt and adjust and work within what they had so they could manage and then teach that to maximize someone elses talent.
Argentine legend footballer Maradona is a good example of this- best player of his generation- absolute disaster as national team head coach, even having Messi in his prime.
If someone plays in the NHL you aren't allowed to call them untalented, the concentration of talent is so high in major professional sports leagues their worst players are still amazingly talented. Also, as others have said ability to do and ability to teach are not 1:1.
Who has more Super Bowl wins as a coach between one of the best QBs of all time in Joe Montana or played for a d3 school and never even got close to playing in the nfl Bill Belichick? Or Andy Reid? Bill Walsh never played at the nfl level. Being a great player doesn't mean you'll be a great coach. There are hundreds of examples of this across all sports. How long of a coaching career has Jordan had and how successful was that?
Give me the hard working plug who earned his way into the league over the guy who relied on innate talent alone. Those are the guys that know what it takes to make it into the league. They know the sacrifices the player will need to make and how much effort and work they’ll need to put in.
The problem the Rangers have with developing forwards as an organization is a culture problem that comes down from Dolan himself. There’s no patience to put the kids into positions that will forge them. It’s not Ortmeyers fault that this team always has an aging star blocking youth from coming and playing a bigger role.
Yes, I'm more familiar with baseball. I don't think there has ever been a below-average player who has made a great manager... /s
There's a reason guys with less talent even MAKE it to the top leagues--know-how and work ethic.
Undrafted, Jed Ortmeyer won the Steven McDonald Extra Effort Award in 2007 after playing FORTY ONE GAMES. The dude flew around the ice with the heart of a champion, everyone loved him. I believe only goalie Cam Talbot won the McDonald playing fewer games.
You can keep this hot take. Just no.
untalented players make the best coaches. they stayed on rosters by doing the little things to make up for their lack of talent. you can teach the little things, but you can’t teach talent. to use a baseball reference, it’s the exact reason why barry bonds, one of the best hitters to ever play, sucked as a hitting coach on the marlins. he would just say “see the way the ball is spinning and predict where it’s gonna go and then hit it into the bleachers, because that’s what i did” and none of his players could do that because they didn’t have his talent. you want a coach who can say “i used to have a ton of trouble with my passing back in my early days, here’s what i did to improve myself” and things of that nature.
Should’ve used Gretzky as the head coach of the coyotes. Can’t teach talent anyone knows that, but TANNER GLASS?? Get dubi, prust, fuckin anyone but glass in there.
"have you tried just scoring 2900 points over your career and being the best player who has ever lived?" -Gretzky trying to develop Laf
Did you forget Tanner Glass elite sniper owned Carey Price in the playoffs?
Backhand off the faceoff! I remember that!
Maybe this is controversial but Ortmeyer was a decent hockey player. Calling him one of the most untalented players of all time is quite a stretch
Wait until you hear about how many career points Peter Laviolette had.
Well, he’s only won one cup player or coach so, amazingly, I am unsurprised with his 12 total games played, with the Rangers, in 88-89.
Everybody says Trotz is one of the best coaches ever. Same with him, 1 cup. Trotz is excellent, but the cup narrative works both ways
This isn't a bad thing. Talented and gifted players tend to severely underestimate their own talent when giving retrospect of their careers and it colors their ability to connect and coach later on. If something comes easy to you, you can continue on to something more advanced and keep going. So its harder to sometimes grasp why something that you found easy is so hard for someone else. As a coach you'll want to work on something that gave you trouble or something that i advanced while having this student/player struggle with something that you don't understand what they aren't getting. There's a great story about this with Art Shell (football, former HC but also former OL). As a player, he was considered one of the greatest offensive lineman to play the game. He often talked about how hard he worked to get so good and how important his work ethic was (and he worked very hard). One time as a coach he was working with some lineman and they were having a problem with something he was teaching them. He couldn't get what they found difficult so he popped in a video tape of himself doing it to show to the players. They watched and told him there was zero chance they could do it the way he did. He was showing them a clip of him (when he weighted 285 or so) moving his feet like a ballerina. They flat out said they didn't have the ability to do his footwork the way he did it that fast and quick with perfect technique. He was stunned, and they were stunned that he didn't get that. You also sometimes see this with Mark Messier when he talks about how being tough and gritty was a factor in his success and talking about leadership. What he often leaves out was that he was one of the fastest players in the entire NHL and was a gifted passer and gifted stick handler pretty much from the begining who was able to pick up and learn thing rapidly from other gifted players. When you are that talented and gifted, you underestimate those talents and gifts. Messier does it pretty much all the time 24/7. What you really want in a coach is the ability to communicate/teach but in terms of experience, someone who did NOT have the most natural talent and had to learn to adapt and adjust and work within what they had so they could manage and then teach that to maximize someone elses talent.
Talented players don’t always make for good coaches
See Wayne Gretzky
 HE SCOOORES! SIMPLY SENSATIONAL!
In fairness lacking talent and still getting to the show might give one knowledge in how to maximally tap one's potential.
Like other people have said, being a good player != being a good coach.
Argentine legend footballer Maradona is a good example of this- best player of his generation- absolute disaster as national team head coach, even having Messi in his prime.
Didn't know Ryan Clowe worked for the Rangers. I remember being excited when we traded for him
Me either. lol I was looking through the list and his name definitely stood out. Iirc he came around the same time as brassard
And Ted Williams was one of the worst baseball managers of all time. What is your point?
We’ve really reached peak offseason by criticizing people’s jobs based on how good on the ice they were lol
If someone plays in the NHL you aren't allowed to call them untalented, the concentration of talent is so high in major professional sports leagues their worst players are still amazingly talented. Also, as others have said ability to do and ability to teach are not 1:1.
Bad players don’t always make bad coaches, and great players don’t always make great coaches. I.e. Peter Laviolette > Wayne Gretzky
The HMO line was a fun one to watch.
Hollwegg, Messier(?) Ortmeyer, right?
Moore.
Shots fired
Who has more Super Bowl wins as a coach between one of the best QBs of all time in Joe Montana or played for a d3 school and never even got close to playing in the nfl Bill Belichick? Or Andy Reid? Bill Walsh never played at the nfl level. Being a great player doesn't mean you'll be a great coach. There are hundreds of examples of this across all sports. How long of a coaching career has Jordan had and how successful was that?
June is clearly “dumbass takes about everything” month on this sub. Holy fuck.
Once again, Avery does not make the cut!
I miss Paul Mara Beard Night.
Give me the hard working plug who earned his way into the league over the guy who relied on innate talent alone. Those are the guys that know what it takes to make it into the league. They know the sacrifices the player will need to make and how much effort and work they’ll need to put in. The problem the Rangers have with developing forwards as an organization is a culture problem that comes down from Dolan himself. There’s no patience to put the kids into positions that will forge them. It’s not Ortmeyers fault that this team always has an aging star blocking youth from coming and playing a bigger role.
Yes, I'm more familiar with baseball. I don't think there has ever been a below-average player who has made a great manager... /s There's a reason guys with less talent even MAKE it to the top leagues--know-how and work ethic.
Glass is a smart guy, maybe as someone who’s been there done that and struggled plus with an Ivy League brain he is good at this job? I hope? 🤷♂️
Tanner Glass is probably the nicest player I’ve ever met! I’m so happy he still has a place within the organisation.
Undrafted, Jed Ortmeyer won the Steven McDonald Extra Effort Award in 2007 after playing FORTY ONE GAMES. The dude flew around the ice with the heart of a champion, everyone loved him. I believe only goalie Cam Talbot won the McDonald playing fewer games. You can keep this hot take. Just no.
Surprised to see Ryane Clowes name working for the Rangers. He was a short term rental, but I really enjoyed his game.
Olde proverb: Those who can’t do teach.
I forgot about TG, but I find it totally ironic that he would be working in player development. What tf does he add to their development? LOL
Elite sniping skills obviously
That’s my whole question lmao
who knows, I guess maybe he’s got some better coaching/aiding in him than he did as a player. The rangers org. is loyal as hell lmao
I cringe every time I see the name Tanner Glass.