Love Shannon but one thing he’s wrong on, I don’t think any ranger fans would be upset if we don’t get a decent return for Trouba. Most fans want to buy him out so a one way trade would be even better.
I also think most fans would make terrible GMs. Lol. Dont get me wrong, he is overpaid for the performance he had last season. Buying him out would be very stupid IMO.
It’s hard for any nuance in this place. I’m surprised you haven’t gotten downvoted yet. Multiple things can be true:
* Trouba is vastly overpaid and was a detriment to the team during the playoffs.
* We need someone to eat 20+ hard minutes a game. Schneider isn’t ready for it and we don’t want to crush the kid’s confidence and make him the new whipping boy.
* Buying Trouba out would not help the cap situation all that much and would create a hole in the lineup. The big free agents have all been signed, so we’d have to trade for a good 2nd pair/3rd pair replacement for him. Best case scenario we’d spend assets to replace Trouba with a $2-3M defenseman, saving us a grand total of $1-2M after a $4M buyout plus adding dead cap to the following three years as well (4M, 2M, 2M).
* Despite all the rumblings and people acting like it’s a done deal, if a move doesn’t work out for the Rangers, Trouba will be the captain next year. Drury shouldn’t make a move just to make a move and make us a worse team.
There is no reason to right now. Where would we spend the money anyway. Either before the deadline or next offseason we will be able to get a deal done that won’t hurt us.
I absolutely would be upset. But I also don't want to trade him.
Edit: this place is such an echo chamber. I didn't call anyone an idiot for wanting him gone. I just stated that I didn't want him gone. God forbid I have a different viewpoint.
I think he is over paid. And I think the decision to play through injury was stupid. But he still lays out devastating hits and he is a leader on this team for sure. When he is healthy he is still a very solid player. I like the way he toes the line with his hits. Always clean, but absolutely punishes players for skating with their heads down. I think that hard hitting defensemen are still invaluable in the league. I get that it may not be perfect in a vacuum. But I like his play style and I think the Rangers lose leadership and a bit of edge if he's gone.
He's a big reason that series against Pittsburgh 2 years ago turned around.
That was two years ago. What % of goals was he on ice for in the playoffs? He always looked rooted and/or he was moving in concrete. It’s time to move on.
The man can be judged on his performance. Even with the mythical ‘C’ on his chest. He’s done nothing to earn it besides maybe being a rah rah guy in the locker room. If not that, then he’s completely undeserving.
Trouba has been described by teammates on NUMEROUS occasions as having a GOOFY personality. I'm sure NOBODY has used the adjective GOOFY to describe Messier, Callahan or McDonagh. He's not a good leader
All of Reddit is an echo chamber. It’s a disaster. But I keep coming back cause it’s a good place for Rangers news and memes and then I get sucked into everything else.
Take everything with a grain of salt, if you get downvoted on Reddit it’s probably a compliment to your intelligence.
Trouba did what he should have. He got the NMC for the timing of when he thought the residency would be.
The timing really sucks but he still has some leverage and I don’t blame him using it, he should.
I also don’t really buy the rumors that he’s telling folks he won’t show. You could call that bluff if you could find a team that thinks he won’t actually leave money on the table. $16mm over the next two years is probably as much he’d make the rest of his career if it was terminated and he signed elsewhere cheaper
That’s the thing, Troubas agent knows that no team will call that bluff, bc even if the contract gets voided, they’re not getting back whatever asset they send to us
The bigger issue is what team wants to bring in a player who doesn’t want to be there? It’s not really about calling the bluff. Especially when it’s a guy you’re bringing in for toughness/leadership rather than actual skill. If it was skill, you can sometimes live with it, but you’re trying to bring in a guy to help lead a young team so it doesn’t really work if he doesn’t want to be there.
What you are saying is true about a player not wanting to be with a team. Here's Trouba's problem now:
How does he show up at camp for a team that no longer wants him? How much does that hurt him as a captain and being an effective leader of the team?
If, as captain, he’s washed…he’s just as washed as he would have been as a third pair d-man. When have the Rangers had any problem moving a captain?
If he was such a great leader he’d recognize he was absolutely awful when it mattered.
Why is that you assume that he doesn’t recognize his own underperformance? And why are you so certain that the ankle had nothing to do with it? And that he didn’t honestly believe that the team was better with him in Willis Reed sort of way than without him entirely (right or wrong as thst may have been). And how do you really believe that a highly-competitive natural team leader should react to these circumstances? Hang his head? Say ok — send me back to Ottawa if you’d like because I messed up? Really you believe that professionalism/commitment to team demands this? Really?
I mean, tell me the statistical or other metric why he should have been on the ice in any important situation in the playoffs? If he’s a great leader, he’d recognize his own shortcomings.
It’s not like he started getting roasted just in the series against Florida. The majority of penalties he took were holding, hooking - all penalties that show a lack of foot speed. Also, if Trouba was thinking ‘hey I’m Willis Reed’, he might need his head checked. At the end of the day the question is what helps the Rangers the most? A defenseman making 8MM a year who’s having a hard time adjusting against the better teams in the league, but may lead the league in xLeadership, or trading him while retaining 20% in salary and using the remainder the upgrade where needed? Same thing’s gonna happen with Igor, and he’s actually elite, but do you want to shell out 12.5MM a year in a position where a lot of better teams are able to platoon? These are era defining decisions here.
I think he’s loyal to his teammates, not the GM. I don’t think it will be a real issue. If I were Trouba, I’d worry less about that and much more about getting healthy and strong and getting your game back under control.
You've got it backwards...this is not about where his loyal are, but why should his teammates have his back, nevermind how management is going to feel about him. The fans will be pissed at him too. He stays in NYC, they should strip him of the C.
Something that no one is looking at here. From September to the end of the season, Trouba spent half his time on the road (except for when he was injured).
While he's on the road, he's not there for his wife and child. Yet somehow, there wasn't a problem for Dr. Trouba to pursue her career while her husband was in any one of the 31 other NHL cities playing.
So, if he is traded to Detroit, it would be the same. How is it that she couldn't finish her residency here in NYC, while he's in Detroit? At 8 million a year, they can afford child care. He can get back and forth during breaks in the season.
It's a bullshit excuse. Plain and simple.
Sorry but this is a stupid argument. He plays in the Metro division where most travel is a day or two with a few longer trips to the west coast/middle of the US & Canada. You're talking a few days to a week at most. To say that this is the same thing as being shipped off to a completely different city in a different part of country is crazy.
I love how casual every keyboard warrior is being with another human beings life and family.
Fuck all of you.
Clearly you don’t have young children. If I could block a trade in his position, I would too.
Anyway, I think stripping the C just causes more turmoil within the team. The new C feels weird around his buddy. Trouba feels even worse than he already does. The players don’t know who really has the room. You let Trouba try to figure it out. He looked a lot better earlier in the season when he was healthy. He’s got some mental errors to clean up too and was being overly aggressive and reckless in the Florida series. But he could still be a productive player, giving 15-16 solid minutes per night.
I do have young children and would love to have the flexibility to travel privately and make whatever schedule I could to make them comfortable…I can also tell you I moved halfway across the country as a kid…and my parents didn’t have millions. It happens.
Whether or not my having young children is not the issue here. Trouba has a child. The same child that didn't see him while he played on the road this season. With the hours he has to keep, I'm sure that Trouba didn't see as much of him as he'd like when he's at home either. Practices, Game Days, traveling to and from the rinks, the routines he has, coming home late at night or early mornings.That doesn't make him a bad father, but an NHL player...the same as many others who are fathers of young children who play in the league and do those same things
The excuse that he's using isn't about his child, but his wife's career. The same career she worked at while Trouba played on the road since he's been in New York, and gave birth to their child. It didn't seem to be an issue for them until this trade came along.
Trouba shouldn't have been the Captain in the 1st place. There are other choices in the dressing room who can lead. It's not a difficult thing to figure out who has the room. Leaders are easy to figure out as they come to the forefront.
Trouba has never lived up to expectation of him. His last year with the Jets, he scored 8 goals and 42 assists. The closest he's come with the Rangers was 11 goals & 28 assists in 21-22. The thought was he would add more to the offense, but has never scored more than 30 points in any other season in New York.
Now, he should get 15 to 16 minutes a night? Playing the 3rd pair? At 8 million a year? No. He needs to go. If he had provided the offense, yeah, then they keep him. At 30 years old, his career isn't over, but as time goes by, he's only older, more injured and more of a liability on the ice.
This is such an awful take. He still gets to come home to his wife and kids a lot. Huge difference from completely leaving for potentially 10 months. He's home for weeks at a time, he's gone for weeks at a time. Also being in New York he plays games against the islanders, devils, flyers etc. where it is a short trip and your back home.
Him and his wife made a commitment to each other understanding the career paths they both want to pursue and found a way to make it work so that they can still live together and be there for one another. There is a massive difference between living in another season and travelling for work. He earned an NMC/NTC and has every right to use it to his advantage. The Rangers knew what they were getting into when they signed him whether that was this management or not is irrelevant.
100% hes traveling so much just playing and also say someone mention it but shes a doctor and couldnt convince trouba to get on ir after he broke his ankle? like whats the deal with that
Agreed. Some of my coworkers are on the road more than Trouba and they make less than $200k a year 😂. Shit, our company president makes less than the league minimum and he probably travels twice as much as Trouba. NHL has a lot of travel, it’s not like the NFL where you spend less than ten nights away during a season. It’s a sacrifice which is part of the reason they are handsomely paid…especially Trouba. I cannot imagine a scenario where a successful pro hockey player and a doctor don’t already have a full time nanny.
That’s pretty easy to work around. Trouba plus a mid rounder for a target team’s late rounder. If Trouba doesn’t show, the target team moved up in the draft for free.
I think the issue with the idea of doing it, is a player saying “don’t trade for me” then he shows up but just to get paid. They can’t do anything about that.
I believe her residency was pushed back a year because of Covid which is really what fucked things up because you are right, his contact was originally timed that way.
Agreed…. So much BS people are reacting to. Hoping he doesn’t get booed over it next year, we don’t really know what happened, it’s mostly speculation.
If his wife's career is that important to him, there is another answer...
Retire. Become a stay at home dad. Let Dr. Trouba have her career, and he can forget the $16 Million.
Otherwise, there is are 15 teams he won't be traded to as per the contract he agreed to. Find one of the other 16 willing to take him.
Troubas deal was front loaded so there's only $12M remaining. If his deal was terminated he'd likely be able to sign for some of that value back with a team nearby. Dude has made a lot of money and this might just be a moment where the money doesn't matter as much.
if he comes back hes gonna be hated by everyone and even if he has a good season if hes playing hurt in the playoffs like this season i dont care how much better he gets it not gonna be enough
This guy is gonna get booed if he doesn’t come out at 💯 game one. Rangers fans aren’t dumb. They know his cock block kept us from signing any short term UFAs and will hamstring us at the end of next season when we have to resign so many people. I have a lot mixed feelings about it, but at the end of the day, he is not earning his paycheck and will quickly end up being a scapegoat next season.
> Rangers fans aren’t dumb
Uh, most of the threads about Trouba the last few weeks have shown that a ton of Rangers fans are dumb. People blaming the player for the contract the organization gave him is extremely stupid. People are saying that he should just get over it and get off the team and apparently don’t realize that the “business” cuts both ways and that he’s fully within his rights to get paid as much as possible and make it as hard as possible to get rid of him.
I’m ready for us to move on because I can’t wait to see who the morons in this fan base scapegoat next if we don’t win the Cup next year.
Thank you for this. You've stated everything I've been feeling the last few weeks perfectly.
When the playoffs ended, I was ready for them to move on from Trouba if they could but watching all the crybaby reactions of the idiot fanbase here has made me not only want to keep Trouba, but, and I quote a friend, to "build a statue in front of MSG solely to piss of the fans".
Nothing would make me happier now to see Trouba back in Rangers blue with the C on his chest and hearing the fans boo him as he makes $8M next season.
I love the Rangers but man I fucking hate most Rangers fans.
Yeah I don’t blame him for wanting to stay put. And I bet some of his teammates went to bat for him. Even Leetch was a liability on his way out. This is professional sports
I don’t think we are winning a cup with this forward core, I’m not going to dare to hope .
Do you think that players have final say on whether they’re placed on IR? They might have a little input regarding when they themself feel good enough to go, but that’s way downstream from the front office making the IR decision based on the medical and strategic info on hand.
If he isn’t going anywhere for the time being then we suck it up and root for him to bounce back. He’s at his lowest trade value to date currently anyway so when the regular season starts and more headway has been made in discussions, hopefully we can get a better return then too
Nah. He and the coaches stubbornness to keep him in the line of despite being injured, quite possibly cost less the championship, and now he is doing this. At this point waive him and hole a salary floor team takes his contract
Team sport. Team outcome. And specially in this case. But don’t give up yet. All need not be lost even if the overpaid evil empire Trouba remains. We have a great coaching staff. A committed team (I hope) and better than average prospects
Gonna go ahead and guess that most of the people like me who see Trouba as an admirable husband for consistently bending the shape of his NHL career to fit his wife's *also have sympathy when team's do this sort of thing to other players.*
This is obviously a much bigger story in the media than the average 4th line trade, so you're going to see a larger number of people speaking up about it, that's just how it works.
Bowing down to him for having a family are they gonna do that every time a player has something personal going on … hey we are gonna trade you .. oh Chris I just met a girl last week .. I really wanna see how it works out can I stay lol
thing is we actually dont have to give up a pic but i truely believe that he is threatening not to report to camp because a lot of teams showed interest and there was even rumors of getting a return for him it doesnt make sense
Trouba and the coaches possibly cost us a Cup with the insistence he stay in the lineup with 1 operational foot. And now he’ll be a chase we didn’t sign any decent UFAs.
If he thinks life will suck in Detroit. Just wait until the fans get a hold of him at MSG
I hate the foot/ankle excuse.
Playing on one foot is an excuse for being immobile. It is not an excuse for the many times Trouba was chasing hits and getting out of position with decisions that would get your peewee coach to bench you.
Really glad that the fans don't get a say in where Trouba goes. I'm expecting him to come out strong next season with a rangers jersey on and that C on his chest.
I'm also glad that he valued his wife's residency enough to include a NTC in his contract when he signed and is now using that clause as intended to make sure his family doesn't have to move, as it is next to impossible to change hospital residencies. That's exactly how strong union representation and worker's rights are supposed to work.
You're forgetting this is a sports sub and 99% of us don't really care about the aspirations of career wives reaching for the stars in the big city or the efficacy of hospital unions.
Nope. Man's gotta do whatever it takes to put his family first, including getting certain terms put into his contract. I fully support him prioritizing the needs of his wife and new baby over the whims of fans.
Only person I'm mad at in this situation is Gorton, for giving him this contract in the first place. This contract and completely losing the McD/Miller trade completely soured me on Gorts' tenure with us.
Nearly every player has family considerations. He is no different in this regard. He should honour the teams not on his no trade list and report. Players accept multimillion contracts and moving goes with the territory.
The Hockey Guy is right on a lot of these points. I do think, however, the NHL should allow restricting of contracts. This would be solved if we could restructure Trouba’s contract. But here we are. Maybe Boston could use a gritty d man and Boston is close enough to NY. I don’t know. Trouba seems like a good dude and I agree with Shannon that I don’t think he’s being selfish. He’s taking care of his family. Perhaps one more year in NY and then we buy him out or trade him.
Trouba is 30 years old, but people talk about him like he's about to turn 40. He's entering his "prime." The guy had a piece of bone moving around near his ankle. I get that he was injured and we lost to Florida, but he wasn't the only issue. I agree his $8 million cap hit is too much, but the cap is only going up, and this teams core is still good enough to get over that little speed bump. Fox had a knee injury, Lindgren had a cracked rib, Miller couldn't get the puck out of the zone either, and Panarin went quiet in the ECF. This team is absolutely good enough to make it all the way. If you all think for one second that Trouba will not come out with a chip on his shoulder next season, you're wrong. I've seen heart from that guy that I don't see from most other athletes.
Wondering when fans will stop gaslighting this guy and his wife and move on. Is this “fanbase“ really going to boo our captain on opening night after the best record in franchise history and pretend he and his cap hit is the only reason we didn’t get the Cup?
Yes, he cost us in the playoffs. A real captain would have stepped aside, taken him self out. Anything he needed to do to help the team win, not be out there at the determinate of the team. I'm not going to go look up all the stats but they show he was the biggest reason we didn't go all the way. And his contract is just awful.
Drury is playing chess. Never intended to trade Trouba. The media circus is going to galvanize the team around Trouba. They’ll win the President’s trophy again next year, and the cup.
Someone remind me to check on this comment in a year.
What I would say if I was Drury:
"Jacob, we signed you to this deal and gave you the C because we believed in you. We still value what you bring to the team. Your intensity, your presence in the locker room. That still matters to us and your teammates. Your play in the postseason has hurt us. You've taken yourself out of position, you've made bad decisions, and you've cost us games. At this point, we want you on the team but we need to get better and we need cap space to do that. Would you consider a restructured deal that pays you $4mm annually, and maybe we'll add a few extra years to it?"
In all likelihood Trouba says no effing way in which case the response is well sorry this is a business. We are going to try and move you. We'll do what we can with your wife's residency, maybe they launch a charity program with some hospital in Detroit or wherever.
If he still balks.... buy him out.
The team needs D who can move the puck accurately and quickly. The more I think about the FLA series the more I think it all starts with the NYR D. 10-93-20 did not perform but they hardly had the puck because the D couldn't make accurate, crisp passes and Trouba was far and away the worst offender.
If all these rumors are true.. it sucks for him and his wife. I get it. But the window is closing on this team and unfortunately the team will be better without him.
I didn't!!! I should have... but I didn't! Here I was trying to be respectful.... I don't hate the guy or anything but he's proven that he's not worth $8mm.
If Trouba were telling teams not on his NMC that he won’t report, it seems to me that he would be in breach of his contract. He could lose his guarantee. I just don’t think he would take that risk.
Here’s the approach I take if I’m Drury. “Restructure your contract and we won’t trade you. If you don’t want to restructure then you will be traded to one of the teams not on your modified NTC.” If trouba REALLY wanted to stay that should force/convince to stay for the sake of his family. He’s made over 50 mil in his career. Money should not be a concern for him
Drury has gotten this team to the place where no UFA worth a damn will sign here. NTC/NMC means nothing to him. That aside, I 100% support Trouba. He signed here with a NTC for a reason, Drury needs to live with it.
Lmao it’s not a full NMC, it’s a limited one
That’s like saying you agreed to pay him $4 million but come on, just pay him $8, it’s the right thing to do you have the money
Right now all we have is rumors/speculation but the current unconfirmed rumor is that Trouba is telling those teams that he will refuse to report if traded to them.
Regardless, now that the whole wife's residency has been brought into the discussion, most teams are going to be much more reluctant to entertain Trouba trade discussions.
Love Shannon but one thing he’s wrong on, I don’t think any ranger fans would be upset if we don’t get a decent return for Trouba. Most fans want to buy him out so a one way trade would be even better.
I also think most fans would make terrible GMs. Lol. Dont get me wrong, he is overpaid for the performance he had last season. Buying him out would be very stupid IMO.
It’s hard for any nuance in this place. I’m surprised you haven’t gotten downvoted yet. Multiple things can be true: * Trouba is vastly overpaid and was a detriment to the team during the playoffs. * We need someone to eat 20+ hard minutes a game. Schneider isn’t ready for it and we don’t want to crush the kid’s confidence and make him the new whipping boy. * Buying Trouba out would not help the cap situation all that much and would create a hole in the lineup. The big free agents have all been signed, so we’d have to trade for a good 2nd pair/3rd pair replacement for him. Best case scenario we’d spend assets to replace Trouba with a $2-3M defenseman, saving us a grand total of $1-2M after a $4M buyout plus adding dead cap to the following three years as well (4M, 2M, 2M). * Despite all the rumblings and people acting like it’s a done deal, if a move doesn’t work out for the Rangers, Trouba will be the captain next year. Drury shouldn’t make a move just to make a move and make us a worse team.
There is no reason to right now. Where would we spend the money anyway. Either before the deadline or next offseason we will be able to get a deal done that won’t hurt us.
Really good that fans don’t run teams. Especially the pocket calculator amateur GMs rampant on this thread.
I absolutely would be upset. But I also don't want to trade him. Edit: this place is such an echo chamber. I didn't call anyone an idiot for wanting him gone. I just stated that I didn't want him gone. God forbid I have a different viewpoint.
Why would you not want to trade an $8m third pairing defenseman?
I think he is over paid. And I think the decision to play through injury was stupid. But he still lays out devastating hits and he is a leader on this team for sure. When he is healthy he is still a very solid player. I like the way he toes the line with his hits. Always clean, but absolutely punishes players for skating with their heads down. I think that hard hitting defensemen are still invaluable in the league. I get that it may not be perfect in a vacuum. But I like his play style and I think the Rangers lose leadership and a bit of edge if he's gone. He's a big reason that series against Pittsburgh 2 years ago turned around.
That was two years ago. What % of goals was he on ice for in the playoffs? He always looked rooted and/or he was moving in concrete. It’s time to move on.
Again, it was a bad decision to play with a broken ankle
The man can be judged on his performance. Even with the mythical ‘C’ on his chest. He’s done nothing to earn it besides maybe being a rah rah guy in the locker room. If not that, then he’s completely undeserving.
Speaking directly out of your ass I see. How could you possibly know what he’s done in the locker room?
You can find that for cheaper than 8m
Yeah devastating hits on himself. Troupaman style
Trouba has been described by teammates on NUMEROUS occasions as having a GOOFY personality. I'm sure NOBODY has used the adjective GOOFY to describe Messier, Callahan or McDonagh. He's not a good leader
All of Reddit is an echo chamber. It’s a disaster. But I keep coming back cause it’s a good place for Rangers news and memes and then I get sucked into everything else. Take everything with a grain of salt, if you get downvoted on Reddit it’s probably a compliment to your intelligence.
Trouba did what he should have. He got the NMC for the timing of when he thought the residency would be. The timing really sucks but he still has some leverage and I don’t blame him using it, he should. I also don’t really buy the rumors that he’s telling folks he won’t show. You could call that bluff if you could find a team that thinks he won’t actually leave money on the table. $16mm over the next two years is probably as much he’d make the rest of his career if it was terminated and he signed elsewhere cheaper
That’s the thing, Troubas agent knows that no team will call that bluff, bc even if the contract gets voided, they’re not getting back whatever asset they send to us
The bigger issue is what team wants to bring in a player who doesn’t want to be there? It’s not really about calling the bluff. Especially when it’s a guy you’re bringing in for toughness/leadership rather than actual skill. If it was skill, you can sometimes live with it, but you’re trying to bring in a guy to help lead a young team so it doesn’t really work if he doesn’t want to be there.
What you are saying is true about a player not wanting to be with a team. Here's Trouba's problem now: How does he show up at camp for a team that no longer wants him? How much does that hurt him as a captain and being an effective leader of the team?
If, as captain, he’s washed…he’s just as washed as he would have been as a third pair d-man. When have the Rangers had any problem moving a captain? If he was such a great leader he’d recognize he was absolutely awful when it mattered.
Why is that you assume that he doesn’t recognize his own underperformance? And why are you so certain that the ankle had nothing to do with it? And that he didn’t honestly believe that the team was better with him in Willis Reed sort of way than without him entirely (right or wrong as thst may have been). And how do you really believe that a highly-competitive natural team leader should react to these circumstances? Hang his head? Say ok — send me back to Ottawa if you’d like because I messed up? Really you believe that professionalism/commitment to team demands this? Really?
I mean, tell me the statistical or other metric why he should have been on the ice in any important situation in the playoffs? If he’s a great leader, he’d recognize his own shortcomings.
Again. Why do you assume he doesn’t/didnt? And why do you believe that he should’ve known in an advance how the series would play out?
It’s not like he started getting roasted just in the series against Florida. The majority of penalties he took were holding, hooking - all penalties that show a lack of foot speed. Also, if Trouba was thinking ‘hey I’m Willis Reed’, he might need his head checked. At the end of the day the question is what helps the Rangers the most? A defenseman making 8MM a year who’s having a hard time adjusting against the better teams in the league, but may lead the league in xLeadership, or trading him while retaining 20% in salary and using the remainder the upgrade where needed? Same thing’s gonna happen with Igor, and he’s actually elite, but do you want to shell out 12.5MM a year in a position where a lot of better teams are able to platoon? These are era defining decisions here.
I think he’s loyal to his teammates, not the GM. I don’t think it will be a real issue. If I were Trouba, I’d worry less about that and much more about getting healthy and strong and getting your game back under control.
You've got it backwards...this is not about where his loyal are, but why should his teammates have his back, nevermind how management is going to feel about him. The fans will be pissed at him too. He stays in NYC, they should strip him of the C. Something that no one is looking at here. From September to the end of the season, Trouba spent half his time on the road (except for when he was injured). While he's on the road, he's not there for his wife and child. Yet somehow, there wasn't a problem for Dr. Trouba to pursue her career while her husband was in any one of the 31 other NHL cities playing. So, if he is traded to Detroit, it would be the same. How is it that she couldn't finish her residency here in NYC, while he's in Detroit? At 8 million a year, they can afford child care. He can get back and forth during breaks in the season. It's a bullshit excuse. Plain and simple.
Sorry but this is a stupid argument. He plays in the Metro division where most travel is a day or two with a few longer trips to the west coast/middle of the US & Canada. You're talking a few days to a week at most. To say that this is the same thing as being shipped off to a completely different city in a different part of country is crazy. I love how casual every keyboard warrior is being with another human beings life and family. Fuck all of you.
he's an athlete, not a human being.
Clearly you don’t have young children. If I could block a trade in his position, I would too. Anyway, I think stripping the C just causes more turmoil within the team. The new C feels weird around his buddy. Trouba feels even worse than he already does. The players don’t know who really has the room. You let Trouba try to figure it out. He looked a lot better earlier in the season when he was healthy. He’s got some mental errors to clean up too and was being overly aggressive and reckless in the Florida series. But he could still be a productive player, giving 15-16 solid minutes per night.
I do have young children and would love to have the flexibility to travel privately and make whatever schedule I could to make them comfortable…I can also tell you I moved halfway across the country as a kid…and my parents didn’t have millions. It happens.
I’m not arguing it doesn’t happen. My argument is that he’s doing what most of us would do.
It's temporary.
Whether or not my having young children is not the issue here. Trouba has a child. The same child that didn't see him while he played on the road this season. With the hours he has to keep, I'm sure that Trouba didn't see as much of him as he'd like when he's at home either. Practices, Game Days, traveling to and from the rinks, the routines he has, coming home late at night or early mornings.That doesn't make him a bad father, but an NHL player...the same as many others who are fathers of young children who play in the league and do those same things The excuse that he's using isn't about his child, but his wife's career. The same career she worked at while Trouba played on the road since he's been in New York, and gave birth to their child. It didn't seem to be an issue for them until this trade came along. Trouba shouldn't have been the Captain in the 1st place. There are other choices in the dressing room who can lead. It's not a difficult thing to figure out who has the room. Leaders are easy to figure out as they come to the forefront. Trouba has never lived up to expectation of him. His last year with the Jets, he scored 8 goals and 42 assists. The closest he's come with the Rangers was 11 goals & 28 assists in 21-22. The thought was he would add more to the offense, but has never scored more than 30 points in any other season in New York. Now, he should get 15 to 16 minutes a night? Playing the 3rd pair? At 8 million a year? No. He needs to go. If he had provided the offense, yeah, then they keep him. At 30 years old, his career isn't over, but as time goes by, he's only older, more injured and more of a liability on the ice.
This is such an awful take. He still gets to come home to his wife and kids a lot. Huge difference from completely leaving for potentially 10 months. He's home for weeks at a time, he's gone for weeks at a time. Also being in New York he plays games against the islanders, devils, flyers etc. where it is a short trip and your back home. Him and his wife made a commitment to each other understanding the career paths they both want to pursue and found a way to make it work so that they can still live together and be there for one another. There is a massive difference between living in another season and travelling for work. He earned an NMC/NTC and has every right to use it to his advantage. The Rangers knew what they were getting into when they signed him whether that was this management or not is irrelevant.
100% hes traveling so much just playing and also say someone mention it but shes a doctor and couldnt convince trouba to get on ir after he broke his ankle? like whats the deal with that
Underrated comment of the century. The things we could have done with that trade deadline cap space if he went in LITR 😭
Agreed. Some of my coworkers are on the road more than Trouba and they make less than $200k a year 😂. Shit, our company president makes less than the league minimum and he probably travels twice as much as Trouba. NHL has a lot of travel, it’s not like the NFL where you spend less than ten nights away during a season. It’s a sacrifice which is part of the reason they are handsomely paid…especially Trouba. I cannot imagine a scenario where a successful pro hockey player and a doctor don’t already have a full time nanny.
That’s pretty easy to work around. Trouba plus a mid rounder for a target team’s late rounder. If Trouba doesn’t show, the target team moved up in the draft for free. I think the issue with the idea of doing it, is a player saying “don’t trade for me” then he shows up but just to get paid. They can’t do anything about that.
Future considerations...
I believe her residency was pushed back a year because of Covid which is really what fucked things up because you are right, his contact was originally timed that way.
Agreed…. So much BS people are reacting to. Hoping he doesn’t get booed over it next year, we don’t really know what happened, it’s mostly speculation.
If his wife's career is that important to him, there is another answer... Retire. Become a stay at home dad. Let Dr. Trouba have her career, and he can forget the $16 Million. Otherwise, there is are 15 teams he won't be traded to as per the contract he agreed to. Find one of the other 16 willing to take him.
Troubas deal was front loaded so there's only $12M remaining. If his deal was terminated he'd likely be able to sign for some of that value back with a team nearby. Dude has made a lot of money and this might just be a moment where the money doesn't matter as much.
If he forces his way back he better play like lidstrom or be ready for the "Rosival" treatment.
if he comes back hes gonna be hated by everyone and even if he has a good season if hes playing hurt in the playoffs like this season i dont care how much better he gets it not gonna be enough
There is probably a lot more going on here of which most hockey guys are not aware. It will work out in time. I have faith in the new order.
I have no faith, Drury has been underwhelming
This guy is gonna get booed if he doesn’t come out at 💯 game one. Rangers fans aren’t dumb. They know his cock block kept us from signing any short term UFAs and will hamstring us at the end of next season when we have to resign so many people. I have a lot mixed feelings about it, but at the end of the day, he is not earning his paycheck and will quickly end up being a scapegoat next season.
> Rangers fans aren’t dumb Uh, most of the threads about Trouba the last few weeks have shown that a ton of Rangers fans are dumb. People blaming the player for the contract the organization gave him is extremely stupid. People are saying that he should just get over it and get off the team and apparently don’t realize that the “business” cuts both ways and that he’s fully within his rights to get paid as much as possible and make it as hard as possible to get rid of him. I’m ready for us to move on because I can’t wait to see who the morons in this fan base scapegoat next if we don’t win the Cup next year.
That's easy. It will be trouba because we are stuck with him and his stupid contract.
Thank you for this. You've stated everything I've been feeling the last few weeks perfectly. When the playoffs ended, I was ready for them to move on from Trouba if they could but watching all the crybaby reactions of the idiot fanbase here has made me not only want to keep Trouba, but, and I quote a friend, to "build a statue in front of MSG solely to piss of the fans". Nothing would make me happier now to see Trouba back in Rangers blue with the C on his chest and hearing the fans boo him as he makes $8M next season. I love the Rangers but man I fucking hate most Rangers fans.
Yeah I don’t blame him for wanting to stay put. And I bet some of his teammates went to bat for him. Even Leetch was a liability on his way out. This is professional sports I don’t think we are winning a cup with this forward core, I’m not going to dare to hope .
I blame him for fucking us last year. Could’ve gone on IR and given us flexibility for the pieces we needed for the run.
Blame the coaches and medical staff. The player can say he's good to go all he wants but they have the last word on that.
Do you think that players have final say on whether they’re placed on IR? They might have a little input regarding when they themself feel good enough to go, but that’s way downstream from the front office making the IR decision based on the medical and strategic info on hand.
Cock block?
If he’s still wearing the C it will be a disgrace
If he isn’t going anywhere for the time being then we suck it up and root for him to bounce back. He’s at his lowest trade value to date currently anyway so when the regular season starts and more headway has been made in discussions, hopefully we can get a better return then too
Nah. He and the coaches stubbornness to keep him in the line of despite being injured, quite possibly cost less the championship, and now he is doing this. At this point waive him and hole a salary floor team takes his contract
Trouba quite possibly cost us the championship? Really?
Yup. 3 of 4 losses by 1 goal and he was on ice for over half the goals against the panthers. Couldn’t break out of the zone to save his life.
That’s not only on him. He wasn’t good, and deserves a finger pointed at him, but there are other star players that deserve a lot of shit.
Team sport. Team outcome. And specially in this case. But don’t give up yet. All need not be lost even if the overpaid evil empire Trouba remains. We have a great coaching staff. A committed team (I hope) and better than average prospects
bUt hEs SpECiaL, hE hAS a fAmILy, nO oTHEr pLayER hAS onE
Gonna go ahead and guess that most of the people like me who see Trouba as an admirable husband for consistently bending the shape of his NHL career to fit his wife's *also have sympathy when team's do this sort of thing to other players.* This is obviously a much bigger story in the media than the average 4th line trade, so you're going to see a larger number of people speaking up about it, that's just how it works.
i don't buy this bullshit. if he blocked a specific trade it is bc of the partial no move clause.
Bowing down to him for having a family are they gonna do that every time a player has something personal going on … hey we are gonna trade you .. oh Chris I just met a girl last week .. I really wanna see how it works out can I stay lol
I’m ok with giving away a pick and receiving nothing in return to get rid of this guy.
thing is we actually dont have to give up a pic but i truely believe that he is threatening not to report to camp because a lot of teams showed interest and there was even rumors of getting a return for him it doesnt make sense
If that’s the case then his contract should be voided.
An amateur lawyer as well as an armchair GM. Impressive
Most of us are. This is trash. Better strip the c
If I'm Drury I trade Trouba to the furthest place that's not included in that 15 team list.
For literally nothing. Have him for later considerations.
Center? I thought he played Defense! 🙃
Just buy out this pylon.
Trouba and the coaches possibly cost us a Cup with the insistence he stay in the lineup with 1 operational foot. And now he’ll be a chase we didn’t sign any decent UFAs. If he thinks life will suck in Detroit. Just wait until the fans get a hold of him at MSG
I hate the foot/ankle excuse. Playing on one foot is an excuse for being immobile. It is not an excuse for the many times Trouba was chasing hits and getting out of position with decisions that would get your peewee coach to bench you.
Really glad that the fans don't get a say in where Trouba goes. I'm expecting him to come out strong next season with a rangers jersey on and that C on his chest. I'm also glad that he valued his wife's residency enough to include a NTC in his contract when he signed and is now using that clause as intended to make sure his family doesn't have to move, as it is next to impossible to change hospital residencies. That's exactly how strong union representation and worker's rights are supposed to work.
Cept there are only 15 teams on that list
You're forgetting this is a sports sub and 99% of us don't really care about the aspirations of career wives reaching for the stars in the big city or the efficacy of hospital unions.
Is this satire?
no, it's just reddit
Nope. Man's gotta do whatever it takes to put his family first, including getting certain terms put into his contract. I fully support him prioritizing the needs of his wife and new baby over the whims of fans. Only person I'm mad at in this situation is Gorton, for giving him this contract in the first place. This contract and completely losing the McD/Miller trade completely soured me on Gorts' tenure with us.
Nearly every player has family considerations. He is no different in this regard. He should honour the teams not on his no trade list and report. Players accept multimillion contracts and moving goes with the territory.
The trade rumors picked up steam over the weekend before he was obligated to submit his no trade list. That’s not on Trouba.
I’m glad to hear he will honour his contractual commitments
Honestly right now it’s like what’s the point moving him all the top FA are signed.. he should be booed out of the garden
mainly trades and the ability to play some of your young players
The Hockey Guy is right on a lot of these points. I do think, however, the NHL should allow restricting of contracts. This would be solved if we could restructure Trouba’s contract. But here we are. Maybe Boston could use a gritty d man and Boston is close enough to NY. I don’t know. Trouba seems like a good dude and I agree with Shannon that I don’t think he’s being selfish. He’s taking care of his family. Perhaps one more year in NY and then we buy him out or trade him.
He better play well next year or he’s going to be the nose reviled Ranger in franchise history
Trouba is 30 years old, but people talk about him like he's about to turn 40. He's entering his "prime." The guy had a piece of bone moving around near his ankle. I get that he was injured and we lost to Florida, but he wasn't the only issue. I agree his $8 million cap hit is too much, but the cap is only going up, and this teams core is still good enough to get over that little speed bump. Fox had a knee injury, Lindgren had a cracked rib, Miller couldn't get the puck out of the zone either, and Panarin went quiet in the ECF. This team is absolutely good enough to make it all the way. If you all think for one second that Trouba will not come out with a chip on his shoulder next season, you're wrong. I've seen heart from that guy that I don't see from most other athletes.
Wondering when fans will stop gaslighting this guy and his wife and move on. Is this “fanbase“ really going to boo our captain on opening night after the best record in franchise history and pretend he and his cap hit is the only reason we didn’t get the Cup?
Yes, he cost us in the playoffs. A real captain would have stepped aside, taken him self out. Anything he needed to do to help the team win, not be out there at the determinate of the team. I'm not going to go look up all the stats but they show he was the biggest reason we didn't go all the way. And his contract is just awful.
He writes the lineups, shifts and cleared himself medically? Wow, he sure has a lot of power!
He knows his own body and also how many times did he go for an unnecessary hit that cost us a goal? Keep simp'n
Drury is playing chess. Never intended to trade Trouba. The media circus is going to galvanize the team around Trouba. They’ll win the President’s trophy again next year, and the cup. Someone remind me to check on this comment in a year.
Bro kindly fuck off
What I would say if I was Drury: "Jacob, we signed you to this deal and gave you the C because we believed in you. We still value what you bring to the team. Your intensity, your presence in the locker room. That still matters to us and your teammates. Your play in the postseason has hurt us. You've taken yourself out of position, you've made bad decisions, and you've cost us games. At this point, we want you on the team but we need to get better and we need cap space to do that. Would you consider a restructured deal that pays you $4mm annually, and maybe we'll add a few extra years to it?" In all likelihood Trouba says no effing way in which case the response is well sorry this is a business. We are going to try and move you. We'll do what we can with your wife's residency, maybe they launch a charity program with some hospital in Detroit or wherever. If he still balks.... buy him out. The team needs D who can move the puck accurately and quickly. The more I think about the FLA series the more I think it all starts with the NYR D. 10-93-20 did not perform but they hardly had the puck because the D couldn't make accurate, crisp passes and Trouba was far and away the worst offender. If all these rumors are true.. it sucks for him and his wife. I get it. But the window is closing on this team and unfortunately the team will be better without him.
The CBA doesn't allow for restructuring contracts.
I'll be damned!!! Ok, buy this MF out then....
this made me laugh out loud u already knew it didnt u
I didn't!!! I should have... but I didn't! Here I was trying to be respectful.... I don't hate the guy or anything but he's proven that he's not worth $8mm.
Keep him as the third pairing over the course of the season. Maybe even dress and bench him and roll with 5 every once in a while until he steps up.
Too late to buy him out... Let's just revoke his captaincy and send him to the minors and play zac jones he's better anyway
Waivers it is then i guess 😅
If Trouba were telling teams not on his NMC that he won’t report, it seems to me that he would be in breach of his contract. He could lose his guarantee. I just don’t think he would take that risk.
It’s time to get over this… seems like it’s over. Rangers fans, Drury, Trouba…. Everyone just needs to man up, get over it, and move forward.
Trouba should have agreed to a smaller contract value if he wanted more protection on not being able to be moved right? I don't feel bad for him.
Love the Hockey Guy, starting to really dislike Trouba (The person).
Here’s the approach I take if I’m Drury. “Restructure your contract and we won’t trade you. If you don’t want to restructure then you will be traded to one of the teams not on your modified NTC.” If trouba REALLY wanted to stay that should force/convince to stay for the sake of his family. He’s made over 50 mil in his career. Money should not be a concern for him
Nhlpa cba does not allow restructuring
Well there ya go. That’s one of many reasons I’m not a GM lol
Something you share with a great number of Reddit-based pocket-calculator pretend GMS
Drury has gotten this team to the place where no UFA worth a damn will sign here. NTC/NMC means nothing to him. That aside, I 100% support Trouba. He signed here with a NTC for a reason, Drury needs to live with it.
Yikes, there’s bad takes and then there’s “I know nothing about sports”
This sub is full of 'I actually know nothing about hockey" so there is that
Your comment is further proof that there are no actual hockey fans in r/rangers
Lmfao if we have to keep seeing posts from people like you… you may be right sooner than later.
I've been a hockey fan and Rangers fan longer than you've been alive. I've forgotten more than you'll ever know.
You must have forgotten everything then. Enjoy the block, my life will be better off without you 🫡
Lmao it’s not a full NMC, it’s a limited one That’s like saying you agreed to pay him $4 million but come on, just pay him $8, it’s the right thing to do you have the money
New to sports?
15 team Limited NTC *
So trade him to one of the teams he hasn't blocked.
Right now all we have is rumors/speculation but the current unconfirmed rumor is that Trouba is telling those teams that he will refuse to report if traded to them. Regardless, now that the whole wife's residency has been brought into the discussion, most teams are going to be much more reluctant to entertain Trouba trade discussions.
Sure. Hold on a sec. Let me fire up the Xbox and get NHL24 loaded. I believe there is an option to “force trade”
Oh god plz stfu
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