You gave the first chance to the recruiter. The recruiter squandered it. Had you not taken the initiative, you wouldn't have gotten the job. You owe the recruiter nothing. You got the job yourself.
no lol. his internal connect got him the job. you think they wil take a recruiters candidate over an internal person with a high standing đ. yâall taking this way to personal
Odd thing to say considering you have no idea how long that recruiter had been looking, how many conversations they might have had that went no where, previous candidates theyâd submitted but who decided not to change.
The company are about to fill the position, the recruiter has done their job.
Wtf does other previous conversations that arenât related to OP have to do with this situation? This post is about OPâs success. Not sure why youâre dick riding this recruiter when at the end of the day, OP got to the next interviews without the recruiterâs help. He literally skipped over a bunch of useless steps and got directly in touch with the hiring manager.
You said you believed the recruiter has done zero work to get this position filled. Yes OP applied directly after a day of no feedback, yes OP has an offer but just because the recruiter didnât set up the interviews doesnât mean theyâve not done any work.
Lol you just confirmed the recruiter has done zero work by admitting that the recruiter didnât set up any interviews and OP got himself the job. If youâre saying the recruiter is getting credit for this, he probably wonât. Thereâs a reason recruiters donât like candidates applying on the website as opposed to having the recruiter submit everything on their behalf, they wonât get commission.
I used to work at a recruitment agency, I know what Iâm talking about. Iâm sorry youâre so offended that I thought the recruiter did zero work, which is the truth,
Your idea of âworkâ is off. Any idiot can arrange an interview, itâs the job of a recruiter to find and engage people suitable for their clients.
And thanks for that bit of information, surprised by the recruiter part, less so by the âused toâ bit.
Yeah itâs the Job of the recruiter to find someone and close the deal. He didnât. The candidate went ahead and applied directly with the hiring manager, recruiters only get commission when the recruiter submits the application. Iâm sorry you donât understand this process.
At the end of the day, this recruiter will not get commission because he did not submit anything and get an interview with the manager, thatâs literally their job. Itâs like sales. If someone doesnât buy through a salesman, the salesman DOES NOT GET COMMISSION.
Not quite - but I donât know why youâre being downvoted here (apart from the blindly irrational recruiter hate). The only thing the recruiter did wrong here is not pull the trigger on the CV quickly enough. Everything else was spot on. So everyone here calling him useless (when they themselves wouldnât last five minutes in the job) is a bit much.
Apart from, you know, probably spend years getting to know the market he works, which enabled him to be in a position where he was able to identify the ideal candidate for the client he had to bust his ass to win. You thick fucker.
You came to the wrong place to say something positive about a recruiter, this is a recruiter hate sub. You're 100% right though. It sucks too cause they work on commission and he got fucked out of it. It's hard to say if the company knew the recruiter brought this position to OPs attention but if they did that's fucked.
It seems the collective experience is most recruiters are shit.
Personally Iâve had 1 recruiter who wasnât shit, they were okay at best. The other hundreds who have contacted me have been shit.
I've had tons of bad experiences with fast food employees, does that mean they're all trash? Does that mean I hope they fucked out their paycheck? Nope. The problem is there are bad ones and because everyone needs to work, any failure to get the job is put on a recruiter.
Youâre good. That person couldâve, and shouldâve, sent your resume right away (or at least a âhey this person says they know youâ email) but they waited. Time kills all deals and thatâs their fault. Congrats on the new role.
OP might not be good. Agencies have ownership over submitted resumes. Agency might go to legal battle for their commission, and OP might get axed if they decided they didnât want to pay.
Edit yall downvoting important info
Edit2: since internal seems ignorant of how agency works. Agency MSAs have agreements for candidate and resume ownership. If a candidate is submitted, then does what OP does, the company owes the agency a fee. Thatâs it. End of story, itâs in the contract. Especially because OP getting picked up by a current employee would be a grievous violation of the contract, considered poaching around the agreement. For the record I said âOP Mightâ.
Edit3: if youâre reading this wondering how agencies exist, look at the down votes and replies. I sell against Internal teams all the time because internal is either arrogant as hell or r/confidentlyincorrect. Youâre wrong, and you canât admit it. Grow up.
Not sure where you are getting that from. The agencies do not have ownership. That's why many agencies won't tell you the company when initially talking to you about a role because they don't want you going around them. On the flip side, if the company already had OP's resume from the recruiter, it's on them to tell the recruiter that they are talking to OP. It seems the recruiter is the one who dropped the ball here.
Just dropped a more detailed comment in but it's absolutely a thing. Actual enforcement of it however is where it can get grey. You're right about recruiters keeping names out to try and lock down their own deals though, that's also a thing.
If the recruiter was engaged by the hiring company with an understanding that theyâd get credit for any resumes they first passed along, the recruiter could argue they earned a referral fee.
In this instance, it sounds like a freelance recruiter who is trying to find a candidate to present to the company, in which case neither company/candidate is engaged and the recruiter isnât entitled to anything.
100% agree with that which was the basis for my other comment in this thread. Seems speculative from the recruiter which, if that is the case, then they are owed diddly squat!
If there is a fee agreement in place between agency and company, and that agency recruiter did submit the resume and candidate applied directly afterward, the agency will still get a fee. Timeline will be traceable by emails and their ATS. I have no clue if that happened in this case here, this is just general information.
This is sometimes accurate. In the terms of business between the agency and the company, there is often a line that states that if an agency submits a candidate and that candidate gets hired within a certain time frame, the agency is owed a fee.
I'm reading this thread however and I'm wondering if this recruiter even has a signed agreement or relationship in place or if they were using OPs CV as a way to try and generate business.
If OP gets the job and it turns out the recruiter has no official working relationship in place with the company then the recruiter will get salty but they will have no actual leg to stand on. Should it turn out that an existing agreement has been bypassed, I highly doubt that OP will not get hired by the company/an offer will get pulled. That shit will just get punted to procurement and/or legal to hash out with the recruiter/agency.
Ok genuinely what is wrong⌠Iâve been in agency 5 years and have had this happen a handful of times. Iâve never had someone termed over it, but it did reflect very poorly on them after we were paid our fee
This. You didnât need an introductionâyou already _had_ a contact there. I would have blocked the recruiter and helped my friend get the referral bonus.
Itâs between the recruiter and the company unless you signed any agreement with the recruiter. Perhaps the recruiter was freelance and doesnât have an agreement at all, perhaps the recruiter has an agreement for partial payment of the company fills the position themselves, perhaps the recruiter gets hung out to dry. Whatever happens⌠not your problem, not your fault, not your responsibility.
Company hasnât filled the role themselves, the recruiter did the hardest part here by finding the right person and explaining enough about the role and the company that OP agreed to apply. OP was a bit hasty with their direct application but the recruiter still gets their full fee in this scenario.
Recruiters, like most consultants, make their money through selling knowledge. They have the network, companies pay them to know who is suitable/available/affordable for their hard to fill positions.
In this situation the recruiter told OP that his friends company was hiring. Without this information they wouldnât have contacted the friend, had the interviews and ended up with the job offer. This is what the recruiter will get paid for.
Recruiters get paid to put quality candidates in front of hiring managers and this recruiter failed at the task and doesnât deserve the finders fee because they didnât do the job.
Are you the recruiter?!
The recruiter did that in this situation, this is what the post is about?
If the recruiter didnât send the CV then itâs on them. If theyâve got a good relationship with the client then they might make explain that theyâre the reason OP applied but itâll come down to the client if they pay or not in this situation.
If the recruiter has sent the CV (which we can assume he as because OP assumes he has, hence the post) then the recruiter will still get paid so there is no pressure on OP. Value has been added, the company has filled their position due to the recruiter, everyone is happy.
Not all recruiters work under contract, thatâs why so many job postings specify no recruiters. The company didnât know about OP until OP called so obviously the recruiter didnât pass along a viable candidate.
Why would any of this be OPs problem or responsibility. This seems like a really interesting discussion between recruiter and company that has no relevance on OP.
I reject the notion that if I work with a recruiter, it's my responsibility to know or care about any of the details of their business model or contractual obligations.
The fact that you're bending over backwards to paint recruiting as a noble and crucial service to mankind, littering this thread with dozens of inane comments that try to make out this recruiter as some sort of white knight in a situation where they so clearly failed.
Don't you have a quota to hit? Go send some messages to people on linkedin and keep pretending your job matters. Recruiters have become the social media influencers of the job market. We don't fucking need you, and we don't fucking want you.
Iâve recruited for C-level positions in the renewable energy market for a decade. In this time Iâve helped people leave bosses they hated, companies that donât value them, countries with a low quality of life.
You find my comments inane because youâve never seen the value added by a good recruiter doing their job properly because you either donât manage a team or youâre too young and inexperienced to actually be in demand in your market.
Take this from a recruiter⌠donât feel bad about doing this! It is not your fault that the recruiter wanted to drag their feet. This recruiter connection isnât really lost because why would you want to be connected to someone who is slow to respond / give any updates? You got more done by reaching out on your own. Congrats and I hope you love the new gig!
Mindless, I have to admit, thatâs a petty daring statement coming from a recruiter⌠Iâm guessing youâre on the mindset of being proactive and just getting shit doneâŚ? :)
It's very admirable that you feel bad for the recruiter but at the end of the day f\*\*k 'em. As they say, "You snooze, you loose" and if you had waited for the recruiter to pull their finger out of their arse you could have missed out on this role and the recruiter probably wouldn't think anything of it.
maybe you missed the part where they knew someone who worked there and used (again, if you read it) that to their advantage.
All the recruiter did was spark the memory that they knew someone was there, instead of reaching out to that person prior to the recruiter acting as a reminder, they could of had that regardless of the recruiter.
I had basically the exact opposite interaction with a recruiter. I also applied to a job and right afterwards I applied to another job, which turned out to be an outside the company recruiter for the same job. He said he would check with the company (I donât know if this actually happened) and if it wasnât kosher heâd step out as I had technically already applied. He apparently had a good relationship with their internal recruiter. From our interactions and my interactions with the company it felt like if I hadnât had him nudging things along that the process would have dragged on and I probably would have accepted a position at another company (this company has great benefits, and the pay between companies is pretty similar). He basically acted as a buffer to be a little pushy, so I didnât have to come off as a pushy jerk.
I do this if a candidate has applied directly and not heard back from a client of mine. I ask the hiring manager if theyâve seen the profile, if no I send them myself. If yes I just use it as a fact finding mission to see why they didnât pursue them/inform the candidate itâs a no and help them elsewhere. Win win win for everyone.
You *don't* talk to the recruiter. Doing so would be just giving the recruiter an opportunity to sue you and/or the company and fuck everything up.
Just don't contact the recruiter again. If they contact you with any leads, you can ignore it or send a short email to say "thank you, I'm no longer available." Don't say anything else and don't reply to any questions you receive.
Telling him you applied directly was a bad thing to have done, but it's too late.
What it shows is that the recruiter submitted you for the job but the company ignored it, either because they don't work with recruiters (when I was a manager, recruiters often tried to sell me people anyway) or because that recruiter is too expensive. Either way, they're not somebody you want to work with in the future: working with them could have cost you the position.
Real answer. You are in a subreddit called r/recruitinghell. Hating recruiters is sort of a thing here. You will not find an unbiased answer for what to do here. Iâd go somewhere else to find a more unbiased source of advise.
Hah this is true. The other sub seems to be split but so far the vibe is similar to here. I figured Iâd post it here since thereâs a feeling that I donât think he did enough and it feels like I took the initiative
If they sent your CV to the company before you applied and have terms of business then donât worry because the recruiter still gets paid.
Recruiters donât get paid for an email containing a CV, they get paid for helping a company to fill a vacancy. Youâre clearly a good fit for the job and youâre about to get hired by the company so it sounds like this recruiter has done his job well and youâve just made his life easier because he doesnât need to do interview prep/closing calls.
>You cost the recruiter who went out of their way to find you money
.... There is so much to unpack here.
No, the recruiter isn't doing this altruistically. Recruiting for a living is almost by definition self serving. They didn't go out of their way to find money for OP, they were trying to find a candidate to make themselves money. A quick call and passing on a resume is not a ton of effort, and surely they passed other candidates along as well.
>seems like this recruiter was trying everything they could
It takes a minute or less to tell a candidate that you've submitted and followed up with no response.
I've worked with decent recruitment folks in the past (never actually signed on with anyone they brought to me), but those folks were always diligent in even just shooting a quick text over saying they've reached out and haven't heard back. I get none of this vibe from the recruiter as describe. So no, I strongly disagree this recruiter did everything they could.
If the agency is like mine they will have a âtalent ownership clauseâ that would entitle them to compensation if they submitted your resume prior to receiving your internal application.
If you told the recruiter I imagine the account manager would be pushing to get that compensation. All things equal, if another candidate is in the running that fee could be the differenceâŚ
I wouldnât mention it until youâve accepted the offer letter and started at the company.
OP seemed keen to maintain some kind of relationship for the future.
Thereâs really no need to mention it at all if you donât mind burning the bridge. Even then, most recruiters will get over it for a good candidate.
If you walk or drive somewhere on your own because the bus/train never arrived, do you feel bad for the bus? recruiter had their job, and they didnât do it effectively. nobodyâs fault but theirs.
The recruiter probably wouldn't bother letting you know if you'd been rejected or one of their other candidates had been hired, so I wouldn't bother letting them know that you're progressing without them.
Iâm a corporate recruiter, former agency. You should have never of talked to him again after contacting your connection and landing interviews. 95% of agency recruiters are shit and Iâm being generous.
That is between the recruiter and the company.
I worked as a per diem Physical Therapist for years. Got into a situation that was the opposite. A chiropractor contracted my services, and after a week, wanted to pay me, but NOT through the recruiter. I told them that that was unethical and left, never to return, but my motives were more because I don't like chiropractors.
I say go ahead and cut out the middle man.
Ha. This is exactly why Agency Recruiters do not share the name of the company. Candidates complain about this all the time. Here is the answer.
Anyway...if you didn't sign any contract with the Recruiter then it's on them for sharing that info. 1.5-2.0 days is not much time to wait for the Recruiter to do their thing...perhaps they have a regularly scheduled call with the company to share talent, or they needed to reformat the resume to remove your contact info and add theirs etc. So you didn't give them much of a chance to act. Again...that's on them for giving you the name.
Additionally, if the Recruiter did submit, but your applied directly as well, the company may just lie and say you applied first to avoid paying the agency finders fee.
Either way... good for you for getting an offer. Best of luck!
Butchering the candidateâs rĂŠsumĂŠ is another reason I refuse to work with those recruiters. One fucker took my painstakingly-formatted PDF with embedded fonts, dumped it into Word, and made it look like garbage. When I saw the printout, I was livid, and handed them an original.
Thinking about it now, Iâm wondering if there isnât a copyright angle or something that could be leveraged to put a stop to that.
The recruiting agencies I worked with asked me before modifying my resume, and then sent me their version to okay before they sent it out. It seems I was dealing with some nicer people.
I run a small recruitment agency and we send candidates in their original format unless it's ugly (Indeed default etc.).
We also put the name of the business on our adverts and communications and don't do any cold calling.
Weird? Maybe. But so far so good it's in year 3 now and everyone seems to love working with us.
One important thing to know when dealing with a recruiter:
You are not the client.
The company is the client. You are the commodity.
Be polite. Be friendly. At the end of the day, they are still people, and there is no reason to make their day worse. But you don't need to foster a business-client relationship with them.
So not to beat the dead horse and all but in this instance you should, at the very least let the company know the circumstances around your hiring. Perhaps talk to the friend that already works for the company and get their take on it, as they know the people involved. If you had waited 4 or 5 days and heard nothing then my response would be different. By your own admission you did not even give the recruiter 3 days to do their job. They have a process that they have to go through as well. Especially when you consider the fact that perhaps your info came to them near the end of a business day and he/she was unable to even start the process going forward until the next day. Which based upon your response would have given them exactly ONE day to process you and forward you through the established channels.
Before people come at me, I want to re-iterate the fact that my answer would be different if this was just a case of a shit recruiter that was just checking boxes for the week and OP was ghosted. I have been in the workforce for decades and very few times have I applied and been hired within 36 to 48hrs unless I had an in with the organization.
Finally I will add this, for those that are saying that your new company could withdraw their offer, yes that is possible but seems unlikely. They saw enough in you to hire you off the street in what is a short amount of time in the corporate world, it seems unlikely that they would withdraw the offer, provided you are up front about it. Tell them exactly what happened because perhaps that is an issue that they will feel that they need to address with the recruiting company. If you do not, and if they find out later they may see it as a sign of dishonesty and that could be detrimental to your professional life there.
Just my 2 cents, take it for what it's worth.
1.5-2 days. Every other time when it comes to recruiters I get a submitted email and a right to represent email within an hour of a phone call. This one didnât do that so I jumped proactively and once I did within hours I got a response directly from the company.
Ignore anyone who claim what you did is unethical.
In job hunting use whatever tool necessary to get a job. You took the initiative while this recruiters dragging his feet.
By the way speaking of unethical third party recruiters like him are willing to do the same to you.
Itâs not entirely unethical, OP should have waited a few more days or checked with the recruiter but their company wouldnât get sued, theyâve found their ideal candidate due to the work the recruiter did.
OP hasnât explained how the call with the recruiter went but if they did their job right theyâd sell the company, sell the position, explain the perks and long term vision etc. This would be enough for most clients to pay the fee if it can be proved (assuming the recruiter doesnât have ownership because theyâve not sent the CV already).
I have diagnosed anxiety so even thought it was that short it felt like forever. Actually woke up at like 3am overthinking it. That anxiety shit is hell. Literally almost gave myself an anxiety attack as I thought about this when I wrote it. It sucks but it is what it is.
Dude you donât have to explain yourself, you did WAIT (even if it wasnât a freaking week or something, like theyâre probably expecting) and decided to go with your better judgement in applying & it worked in your favor. Congrats on the new job!!! đđžđđžđđž
Don't go updating your LinkedIn. Leave it as you are still working on your old place for a month for up to 6 months. Most recruiters are garbage human beings looking for that cash, and he can make your life misrebale.
He's a dick because they were only made aware of the job by the recruiter. By going direct they cut out all the hard work the recruiter did to find and represent the job, and took away their way to make a living.
Either ghost the recruiter, or if you're feeling extremely charitable then tell them something vague but definitive like "I've decided not to continue with this application" and leave it at that. You don't owe anybody anything.
I think it may get sticky if the recruiter submitted you and then you submitted for your self. If you submitted first then whatever the recruiter gets voided. I had a similar situation but the recruiter told me if I apply then he wonât be able to help me with the process. Honestly the best thing you can do if they ask you was that you knew that the spot was open and that the recruiter didnât respond or give any updates so you submit it your self. Nothing wrong tbh ;) just make sure you point out the 1.5 day ghost. Itâs a hard market out their, you simply were vouching for your self.
Recruiter here. Personally, Iâd be happy you knew someone and had an in that way. Sometimes it takes hiring managers way longer to get back to us than weâd like. Of course, that means me (more specifically, my company) doesnât get paid for filling that role. If that recruiter gets a commission theyâll likely be a bit upset.
That being said, Iâm always happy to see people get into a job. If you were able to bypass some red tape and get the gears moving, I say more power to you.
I spent 13 years as a recruiter, and anytime a candidate that I was working with had a contact at my client, if they preferred to reach out to their contact directly I had no issue with that. Basically Iâd suggest them reaching out on their own, or if they would prefer I represent them with their contactâs name, it was cool with me.
I donât think youâre going around the recruiter here, from what I gather. If the recruiter didnât respond to hearing you have a contact at their client and also says theyâll submit you, and the possibility of a candidate contacting the client directly on their own doesnât cross their mind, then they are being careless and sloppy in this situation.
If you, on your own, managed to expedite the process and receive an offer while also being told by your recruiter that they ââŚhavenât heard back, etc.â, itâs unusual for an interested employer to drag their feet on a hot candidate, which is what would have to be occurring if your recruiter submitted you and itâs been crickets thus far.
I get that it feels kind of shitty to not say anything to the recruiter, but in the end, they werenât really needed in this scenario, and the bridge isnât burnt (in my opinion). Telling them you were hired is the decent thing to do so they stop trying to fill the requisition, but itâs not mandatory. Should the recruiter respond to your news angrily or in any way that is unprofessional, then you fucking dodged a bullet there.
The recruiter either dropped the ball, or the company has not updated the recruiter. Either way, you donât owe anyone anything. You have to lookout for yourself. If the recruiter calls back, politely tell them you have a job and nothing else.
He just texted me it wasnât bad. He said he was genuinely happy for me but he had me at a higher salary submitted. So maybe thatâs why they went directly through me. He wasnât upset and wished me good luck and said stay in touch. All that anxiety for nothing. Guess all prayers got answered and Iâm able to provide for my family once again. Maybe his last rub was I could have gotten you more money. Whatever Iâm not bitter. Iâm just happy.
Happy ending. The end.
Just be honest with the recruiter. Tell him you didnât hear back from him and assumed youâd been ghosted (because recruiters do that), so you called your buddy and got the job. Snooze you lose.
You wouldnât have known what company it was if they hadnât told you. You cut them out of a big commission if this was third party. Agree with above response that the company owes agency a fee if the recruiter submitted you. If they hadnât submitted you, they might try to argue you were their candidate and fight for that commission. Ultimately none of this comes down on you bc itâs between company and agency, but what you did is exactly why agencies donât tell candidates what the company is.
If the recruiter was someone you know beyond professional or more casually, Iâd give a heads up & probably offer to help bring others to them to interview for roles. If not, you could still strengthen the bond, but Iâd be careful and just wait. I personally donât trust most people, I maybe a tad paranoid of saboteurs.
Did you sign anything with the recruiter? If no, just ghost them. Or email them telling them you didnât hear back, so you pressed forward because you really wanted the job.
At risk of sounding like a prick, unless youâre in some ultra niche role, that recruiter probably wonât even be there by the time youâre looking for jobs again.
If the Recruiter submitted your resume before you contacted the company they owe the Recruiter the fee. It's in the contract. You were unprofessional by going behind his back. You should have told the Recruiter the name of your contact at the company and had him mention it in their presentation to the client. Once the company finds out that you went behind the Recruiter's back and couldn't respect the process, even though it was taking a bit longer than you liked, then they may rescind the offer. Total lack of professionalism.
And THAT is exactly why savvy recruiters donât share company details. Candidates always complain about recruiters but itâs this shit that recruiters have to deal with. Rotten thing to do.
If the company/employer has a contract with the recruiter, and the recruiter submitted your information to them before you actually applied the employer/company is on the hook for the recruiters fee. The right thing to do is to be honest with the recruiter.
If that was the case that makes total sense and it is the ethical thing to do. But he didnât even know Iâve had 2 rounds of interviews when he called and said I havenât heard anything about your resume. Which is where my dilemma resides.
I would say nothing to the recruiter and move on. If you do tell the recruiter, there's a chance they could go fight the company for the fee that they would like to make. Putting yourself at risk by saying anything. Former recruiter here.
If you donât have a contract with the recruiter s/he has no claim against you. If the company has a deal with the recruiter, he may have a claim for payment under the contract and so you should make them aware of the circumstances.
Don't mind about it, but be careful cause sometimes they are possessive and may not like been skipped, and may, not always, try to sabotage your job.
Had several experiences like this.
Sometimes, job recruiters just have a lot of work and are understaffed, doing the job of two or three employees, and even do not had the time to select a candidate.
Sometimes, they are "too picky" or "too perfectionist" because if they got something wrong they could loose the job.
And, the two related worse, sometimes they have a preference for certain candidates, like been from an Ivy League school, and just ignore the others.
Or, plain discrimination, like two candidates from same school, and similar work experience and skills arrive, but one of them has religious or political beliefs that the job recruiter dislikes and rejects them...
Please tell the company the recruiter told you about the job. In the contracts I've seen, the recruiter only gets First Look if they actually submitted the resume, so you may be in the clear. It's possible they hadn't gotten around to sending your materials to the company and they're owed nothing. But if they threw your hat in the ring before you did, the company probably owes them money. Maybe a considerable amount of money depending on your salary offer. You'll create a lot of work for the company and NOT endear yourself to their lawyers or accountants if you don't disclose to the company.
The company I work for gives our recruiters bonuses for each person they hire that last more than 30 days. Iâve seen her work and she is really good at her job. Constantly on the managers to get back with her, follows up with potential hires, etc. The recruiter that you dealt with, it seems like she definitely dropped the ball. Most people never speak to the recruiter again after they are hired, unless itâs a really small company. So honesty, I wouldnât worry about it too much or say anything.
Yes, applying directly will have way faster results of a company doesnât have to pay a fee. You should mention that you only knew of the role because of the recruiter. Itâs the right thing to do.
The recruiter went dark on you. They dropped the ball and you advocated for yourself. Congratulations!!
Btw you have no clue if they actually submitted you, for all you know they didnât have an agreement in place with the company they were going to present you to. This is a vendor problem and will most likely bite the recruiter in the ass, not you.
Like what everybody mention in the comment. Ghost the recruiter, since that recruiter took his own sweet him. Donât feel bad about it, but Iâll take a step further by blocking that recruiter on LinkedIn.
Let's get something straight...
DO NOT FEEL BAD about going around a recruiter.
Recruiters are absolute shyte (I am in management... trust me on this).
The fact that you got the job going AROUND the recruiter is honestly BETTER for you.
Do not feel bad.
Ever.
Donât worry, recruiters will be automated out of existence fairly soon anyway. Every recruiter Iâve ever dealt with was a dead end trying to get thousands of dollars for the unimpressive feat of facilitating less then 8 emails and under 4 phone calls, usually without properly reading the job description or my resume on either my personal site or Linkedin. Your odds went up as soon as you applied directly. I got every job by applying directly.
> i am not sure how to tell the recruiter that i got the position directly from my own efforts. i feel like i may lose a recruiter connection and im aware that if thats the case i guess it will be, but what would you guys/gals do if you were in my position.
What's wrong with losing his number? Statistically, it's a near-certainty he would have ghosted you.
In an ideal world, letting them know would be the way to do it, but they lost out and you took matters into your own hands. So you donât need to say anything. Itâs a different story if you went behind their back minutes after they contacted you. You gave them time. In this case, itâs you snooze, you lose. Their bad, so sad. For them.
As much as it sucks as a recruiter for this to happen (itâs happened to me and it was honestly my fault and I couldnât do anything more but learn from my mistake), they didnât do anything with your resume or if they did, they didnât sell you enough. Thatâs on them. Not you.
You canât fix this for the recruiter. They will not get the commission from the company. You shouldnât have to pay them thousands or tens of thousands of dollars out of your own pocket. And you shouldnât ask the company to compensate the recruiter. The fact that they are directly hiring you goes into the decision because they donât have to pay a recruiter tons of money.
So the only correct thing to do is just take the job and move on. If you tell the recruiter, what happened, they may contact the company and hurt your chance of getting the job.
I wouldn't say anything to them at all. You don't seem to have a contract with them and you gave them plenty of time to do what you ended up doing yourself. If you want to be polite just tell them you're no longer looking for a new position.
Itâs between the recruiter and the employer. As a sales leader, if a customer reached out to us because of the efforts of a sales person, even if they knew of us previously but hadnât bought, I would expect to pay a commission on that but I would absolutely 100% never ever expect commission or attribution issues to come back to the customer.
That company is about to get a surprise invoice if you applied after they submitted you. If they have a legitimate agreement with the company they absolutely could get an invoice and the terms usually say the first person to get a qualified submission gets the fee.
If you want to say something, definitely wait until the offer is accepted and any contingencies like background checks are complete.
Recruiter had their chance. They either didn't submit, or they're one of the recruiters that's so shitty (I know, it's difficult to discern among them) that they are persona non grata with the company anyway, so their submission of you was ignored.
Tell the recruiter nothing.
Send him an email and tell him due to personal reasons you have decided to stop looking for employment at this time. If you decide to pursue employment opportunities you will contact him in the future.
Case closed
You took your future into your own hands rather than waiting for someone else to do it for you. Good on you, and if they ask you can tell them the same. Also, I wish people would proof-read more.
That recruiter doesnât seem to be worth keeping contact with. Thereâll always be more recruiters. Plus with turnover in hiring departments he may not even be a recruiter when you next want a job.
Don't ever let recruiters be hypocrites. They should know what they need to do to get paid. They don't get to complain about being bypassed or ghosted when they delay or ghost people.
Just ghost the recruiter. Share your recruiter interaction with your employer if the recruiter makes a big deal out of it.
Recruiter connections are not valuable in a company where you can get in touch with the c-suite directly. Honestly, generally speaking, recruiter connections just aren't very valuable for the reasons your story illustrates. Its just faster to go through company leadership. Company leadership are the donnections you should make and value.
I am an executive recruiter. If the recruiter was not returning emails or calls then you did nothing wrong. I am not sure how much time passed between you reaching out to him and reaching out to the company.
If the recruiter did what they said they were going to do and submitted you before you called them then they "should" still get a fee for submitting your information first. It is really about the timing of everything. It is all on the recruiter though for not speaking to you through the process.
I have been in situations like this and if I submit someone and they know someone at the company I will put that in my info I give to the company. If they do not hear anything I will tell the candidate to reach out. My job as a recruiter is to get good people hired.
You don't owe that recruiter anything. In fact, it sounds like you gave them the chance to do their job and they let you down. I would say any future interaction doesn't need to be any more than a polite/civil "Thanks, but no thanks."
Admittedly, I haven't needed the services of a recruiter, but as often as I'm contacted by them there are plenty out there. So don't sweat burning a bridge with just one.
Loosing a recruiter connection isn't really a thing. They all just want to recruit as many people as possible, they spam there contact info to anyone and everyone. That's like saying you lost a mechanic connection because you used a different mechanic one time, your there customer, they are always going to want more customers.
Not your problem. The employer is the one with the agreement (if any) with the recruiter. If you notify the recruiter they will talk to the employer. Youâll be fired because the recruiter is paid based on retention and nobody wins. Let the employer make the decision.
> i am not sure how to tell the recruiter that i got the position directly from my own efforts.
Reach out and tell them you have some important information to share and you'll follow up with them shortly. Then just...don't
All advice and it turned out he got paid I still have the job and life went on. He wasnât bitter he still gets paid one way or a other. Starting on Monday!
You gave the first chance to the recruiter. The recruiter squandered it. Had you not taken the initiative, you wouldn't have gotten the job. You owe the recruiter nothing. You got the job yourself.
exactly, screw the useless recruiter. OP did his job for him and got a job offer.
no lol. his internal connect got him the job. you think they wil take a recruiters candidate over an internal person with a high standing đ. yâall taking this way to personal
How is the the recruiter useless when OP didnât even know about the job without the recruiterâs help.
Knowing about a job has very little to do with getting the job.
Does that matter when at the end of the day, the recruiter did absolutely nothing to get him the job?
Well he did do something, soâŚ.
Yeah, he did the bare minimum of existing yet he couldnât close the deal. OP, the candidate, closed the deal.
Odd thing to say considering you have no idea how long that recruiter had been looking, how many conversations they might have had that went no where, previous candidates theyâd submitted but who decided not to change. The company are about to fill the position, the recruiter has done their job.
Wtf does other previous conversations that arenât related to OP have to do with this situation? This post is about OPâs success. Not sure why youâre dick riding this recruiter when at the end of the day, OP got to the next interviews without the recruiterâs help. He literally skipped over a bunch of useless steps and got directly in touch with the hiring manager.
You said you believed the recruiter has done zero work to get this position filled. Yes OP applied directly after a day of no feedback, yes OP has an offer but just because the recruiter didnât set up the interviews doesnât mean theyâve not done any work.
Lol you just confirmed the recruiter has done zero work by admitting that the recruiter didnât set up any interviews and OP got himself the job. If youâre saying the recruiter is getting credit for this, he probably wonât. Thereâs a reason recruiters donât like candidates applying on the website as opposed to having the recruiter submit everything on their behalf, they wonât get commission. I used to work at a recruitment agency, I know what Iâm talking about. Iâm sorry youâre so offended that I thought the recruiter did zero work, which is the truth,
Your idea of âworkâ is off. Any idiot can arrange an interview, itâs the job of a recruiter to find and engage people suitable for their clients. And thanks for that bit of information, surprised by the recruiter part, less so by the âused toâ bit.
Yeah itâs the Job of the recruiter to find someone and close the deal. He didnât. The candidate went ahead and applied directly with the hiring manager, recruiters only get commission when the recruiter submits the application. Iâm sorry you donât understand this process. At the end of the day, this recruiter will not get commission because he did not submit anything and get an interview with the manager, thatâs literally their job. Itâs like sales. If someone doesnât buy through a salesman, the salesman DOES NOT GET COMMISSION.
hey clown face, the recruiter admits to OP they did nothing when they said "the company has not responded yet" lmao
Not quite - but I donât know why youâre being downvoted here (apart from the blindly irrational recruiter hate). The only thing the recruiter did wrong here is not pull the trigger on the CV quickly enough. Everything else was spot on. So everyone here calling him useless (when they themselves wouldnât last five minutes in the job) is a bit much.
Apart from, you know, probably spend years getting to know the market he works, which enabled him to be in a position where he was able to identify the ideal candidate for the client he had to bust his ass to win. You thick fucker.
Careful, that sentence makes too much sense for these parts
You came to the wrong place to say something positive about a recruiter, this is a recruiter hate sub. You're 100% right though. It sucks too cause they work on commission and he got fucked out of it. It's hard to say if the company knew the recruiter brought this position to OPs attention but if they did that's fucked.
Most of them wait around and don't follow up or respond and they cost people opportunities so nobody feels bad for them. They shouldn't.
Bingo
Lol 'most of them'. I love how pretty people like are you are that you'll happily let people get fucked because you had some bad experiences.
It seems the collective experience is most recruiters are shit. Personally Iâve had 1 recruiter who wasnât shit, they were okay at best. The other hundreds who have contacted me have been shit.
I've had tons of bad experiences with fast food employees, does that mean they're all trash? Does that mean I hope they fucked out their paycheck? Nope. The problem is there are bad ones and because everyone needs to work, any failure to get the job is put on a recruiter.
Youâre good. That person couldâve, and shouldâve, sent your resume right away (or at least a âhey this person says they know youâ email) but they waited. Time kills all deals and thatâs their fault. Congrats on the new role.
OP might not be good. Agencies have ownership over submitted resumes. Agency might go to legal battle for their commission, and OP might get axed if they decided they didnât want to pay. Edit yall downvoting important info Edit2: since internal seems ignorant of how agency works. Agency MSAs have agreements for candidate and resume ownership. If a candidate is submitted, then does what OP does, the company owes the agency a fee. Thatâs it. End of story, itâs in the contract. Especially because OP getting picked up by a current employee would be a grievous violation of the contract, considered poaching around the agreement. For the record I said âOP Mightâ. Edit3: if youâre reading this wondering how agencies exist, look at the down votes and replies. I sell against Internal teams all the time because internal is either arrogant as hell or r/confidentlyincorrect. Youâre wrong, and you canât admit it. Grow up.
Not sure where you are getting that from. The agencies do not have ownership. That's why many agencies won't tell you the company when initially talking to you about a role because they don't want you going around them. On the flip side, if the company already had OP's resume from the recruiter, it's on them to tell the recruiter that they are talking to OP. It seems the recruiter is the one who dropped the ball here.
Just dropped a more detailed comment in but it's absolutely a thing. Actual enforcement of it however is where it can get grey. You're right about recruiters keeping names out to try and lock down their own deals though, that's also a thing.
If the recruiter was engaged by the hiring company with an understanding that theyâd get credit for any resumes they first passed along, the recruiter could argue they earned a referral fee. In this instance, it sounds like a freelance recruiter who is trying to find a candidate to present to the company, in which case neither company/candidate is engaged and the recruiter isnât entitled to anything.
100% agree with that which was the basis for my other comment in this thread. Seems speculative from the recruiter which, if that is the case, then they are owed diddly squat!
R/confidentlyincorrect
I'm sorry agencies have *what*
If there is a fee agreement in place between agency and company, and that agency recruiter did submit the resume and candidate applied directly afterward, the agency will still get a fee. Timeline will be traceable by emails and their ATS. I have no clue if that happened in this case here, this is just general information.
This is sometimes accurate. In the terms of business between the agency and the company, there is often a line that states that if an agency submits a candidate and that candidate gets hired within a certain time frame, the agency is owed a fee. I'm reading this thread however and I'm wondering if this recruiter even has a signed agreement or relationship in place or if they were using OPs CV as a way to try and generate business. If OP gets the job and it turns out the recruiter has no official working relationship in place with the company then the recruiter will get salty but they will have no actual leg to stand on. Should it turn out that an existing agreement has been bypassed, I highly doubt that OP will not get hired by the company/an offer will get pulled. That shit will just get punted to procurement and/or legal to hash out with the recruiter/agency.
That is absolutely not true.
Ok genuinely what is wrong⌠Iâve been in agency 5 years and have had this happen a handful of times. Iâve never had someone termed over it, but it did reflect very poorly on them after we were paid our fee
Ghost the recruiter and dont feel bad about it.
This. You didnât need an introductionâyou already _had_ a contact there. I would have blocked the recruiter and helped my friend get the referral bonus.
He would've done the same thing. Seems like he was already on that path. I wouldn't feel bad in the slightest.
Yep. Recruiter will not like you and wonât be nice to you after this. It happensâŚdonât sweat it.
Itâs between the recruiter and the company unless you signed any agreement with the recruiter. Perhaps the recruiter was freelance and doesnât have an agreement at all, perhaps the recruiter has an agreement for partial payment of the company fills the position themselves, perhaps the recruiter gets hung out to dry. Whatever happens⌠not your problem, not your fault, not your responsibility.
Company hasnât filled the role themselves, the recruiter did the hardest part here by finding the right person and explaining enough about the role and the company that OP agreed to apply. OP was a bit hasty with their direct application but the recruiter still gets their full fee in this scenario.
OP reached out to an acquaintance at the company to secure the interview. The recruiter was little more than the old school classified pages.
Recruiters, like most consultants, make their money through selling knowledge. They have the network, companies pay them to know who is suitable/available/affordable for their hard to fill positions. In this situation the recruiter told OP that his friends company was hiring. Without this information they wouldnât have contacted the friend, had the interviews and ended up with the job offer. This is what the recruiter will get paid for.
Recruiters get paid to put quality candidates in front of hiring managers and this recruiter failed at the task and doesnât deserve the finders fee because they didnât do the job. Are you the recruiter?!
The recruiter did that in this situation, this is what the post is about? If the recruiter didnât send the CV then itâs on them. If theyâve got a good relationship with the client then they might make explain that theyâre the reason OP applied but itâll come down to the client if they pay or not in this situation. If the recruiter has sent the CV (which we can assume he as because OP assumes he has, hence the post) then the recruiter will still get paid so there is no pressure on OP. Value has been added, the company has filled their position due to the recruiter, everyone is happy.
Not all recruiters work under contract, thatâs why so many job postings specify no recruiters. The company didnât know about OP until OP called so obviously the recruiter didnât pass along a viable candidate.
Why would any of this be OPs problem or responsibility. This seems like a really interesting discussion between recruiter and company that has no relevance on OP. I reject the notion that if I work with a recruiter, it's my responsibility to know or care about any of the details of their business model or contractual obligations.
Found the recruiter
What gave me away? The fact my point is rational or that Iâm not carrying around a massive chip on my shoulder?
The fact that you're bending over backwards to paint recruiting as a noble and crucial service to mankind, littering this thread with dozens of inane comments that try to make out this recruiter as some sort of white knight in a situation where they so clearly failed. Don't you have a quota to hit? Go send some messages to people on linkedin and keep pretending your job matters. Recruiters have become the social media influencers of the job market. We don't fucking need you, and we don't fucking want you.
Iâve recruited for C-level positions in the renewable energy market for a decade. In this time Iâve helped people leave bosses they hated, companies that donât value them, countries with a low quality of life. You find my comments inane because youâve never seen the value added by a good recruiter doing their job properly because you either donât manage a team or youâre too young and inexperienced to actually be in demand in your market.
Wildly inaccurate series of assumptions; well done. I'm a Sr level engineer, I've been batting away cockroaches like you for years.
Oh amazing, how long have you been doing this? Are you open to staying updated on new job opportunities?
Don't pass this up! It comes with a pay cut, benefits cut, and you have to relocate to a higher cost of living area!
This made me giggle, well played
Ghost the recruiter and say nothing. They wouldnât tell you if the company didnât want to move forward.
Take this from a recruiter⌠donât feel bad about doing this! It is not your fault that the recruiter wanted to drag their feet. This recruiter connection isnât really lost because why would you want to be connected to someone who is slow to respond / give any updates? You got more done by reaching out on your own. Congrats and I hope you love the new gig!
Mindless, I have to admit, thatâs a petty daring statement coming from a recruiter⌠Iâm guessing youâre on the mindset of being proactive and just getting shit doneâŚ? :)
It's very admirable that you feel bad for the recruiter but at the end of the day f\*\*k 'em. As they say, "You snooze, you loose" and if you had waited for the recruiter to pull their finger out of their arse you could have missed out on this role and the recruiter probably wouldn't think anything of it.
Did the recruiter snooze here?
Nothing. You just proved that recruiters aren't as essential as they claim to be. Relish it.
They literally wouldnât have the job without the recruiter. Iâd call that somewhat essential
We found the recruiter.
Nope. Just someone with basic reasoning skills.
So then, corporate shill?
maybe you missed the part where they knew someone who worked there and used (again, if you read it) that to their advantage. All the recruiter did was spark the memory that they knew someone was there, instead of reaching out to that person prior to the recruiter acting as a reminder, they could of had that regardless of the recruiter.
Literally just ghost him. Sometimes a company would be less inclined to hire you through a recruiter as they will ask the company for a finderâs fee
I had basically the exact opposite interaction with a recruiter. I also applied to a job and right afterwards I applied to another job, which turned out to be an outside the company recruiter for the same job. He said he would check with the company (I donât know if this actually happened) and if it wasnât kosher heâd step out as I had technically already applied. He apparently had a good relationship with their internal recruiter. From our interactions and my interactions with the company it felt like if I hadnât had him nudging things along that the process would have dragged on and I probably would have accepted a position at another company (this company has great benefits, and the pay between companies is pretty similar). He basically acted as a buffer to be a little pushy, so I didnât have to come off as a pushy jerk.
I do this if a candidate has applied directly and not heard back from a client of mine. I ask the hiring manager if theyâve seen the profile, if no I send them myself. If yes I just use it as a fact finding mission to see why they didnât pursue them/inform the candidate itâs a no and help them elsewhere. Win win win for everyone.
You *don't* talk to the recruiter. Doing so would be just giving the recruiter an opportunity to sue you and/or the company and fuck everything up. Just don't contact the recruiter again. If they contact you with any leads, you can ignore it or send a short email to say "thank you, I'm no longer available." Don't say anything else and don't reply to any questions you receive. Telling him you applied directly was a bad thing to have done, but it's too late. What it shows is that the recruiter submitted you for the job but the company ignored it, either because they don't work with recruiters (when I was a manager, recruiters often tried to sell me people anyway) or because that recruiter is too expensive. Either way, they're not somebody you want to work with in the future: working with them could have cost you the position.
Real answer. You are in a subreddit called r/recruitinghell. Hating recruiters is sort of a thing here. You will not find an unbiased answer for what to do here. Iâd go somewhere else to find a more unbiased source of advise.
Hah this is true. The other sub seems to be split but so far the vibe is similar to here. I figured Iâd post it here since thereâs a feeling that I donât think he did enough and it feels like I took the initiative
FWIW, Iâm a Recruiter. Youâre good.
If they sent your CV to the company before you applied and have terms of business then donât worry because the recruiter still gets paid. Recruiters donât get paid for an email containing a CV, they get paid for helping a company to fill a vacancy. Youâre clearly a good fit for the job and youâre about to get hired by the company so it sounds like this recruiter has done his job well and youâve just made his life easier because he doesnât need to do interview prep/closing calls.
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>You cost the recruiter who went out of their way to find you money .... There is so much to unpack here. No, the recruiter isn't doing this altruistically. Recruiting for a living is almost by definition self serving. They didn't go out of their way to find money for OP, they were trying to find a candidate to make themselves money. A quick call and passing on a resume is not a ton of effort, and surely they passed other candidates along as well. >seems like this recruiter was trying everything they could It takes a minute or less to tell a candidate that you've submitted and followed up with no response. I've worked with decent recruitment folks in the past (never actually signed on with anyone they brought to me), but those folks were always diligent in even just shooting a quick text over saying they've reached out and haven't heard back. I get none of this vibe from the recruiter as describe. So no, I strongly disagree this recruiter did everything they could.
If the agency is like mine they will have a âtalent ownership clauseâ that would entitle them to compensation if they submitted your resume prior to receiving your internal application. If you told the recruiter I imagine the account manager would be pushing to get that compensation. All things equal, if another candidate is in the running that fee could be the difference⌠I wouldnât mention it until youâve accepted the offer letter and started at the company.
Why mention it at all? None of this is OPs problem or responsibility.
OP seemed keen to maintain some kind of relationship for the future. Thereâs really no need to mention it at all if you donât mind burning the bridge. Even then, most recruiters will get over it for a good candidate.
If you walk or drive somewhere on your own because the bus/train never arrived, do you feel bad for the bus? recruiter had their job, and they didnât do it effectively. nobodyâs fault but theirs.
The recruiter probably wouldn't bother letting you know if you'd been rejected or one of their other candidates had been hired, so I wouldn't bother letting them know that you're progressing without them.
Iâm a corporate recruiter, former agency. You should have never of talked to him again after contacting your connection and landing interviews. 95% of agency recruiters are shit and Iâm being generous.
Did you sign anything like a âright to represent?â If not, donât worry about it. Not your problem.
nothing was signed. at least that is useful
what recruiter ;)
You owe the recruiter nothing.
That is between the recruiter and the company. I worked as a per diem Physical Therapist for years. Got into a situation that was the opposite. A chiropractor contracted my services, and after a week, wanted to pay me, but NOT through the recruiter. I told them that that was unethical and left, never to return, but my motives were more because I don't like chiropractors. I say go ahead and cut out the middle man.
Ha. This is exactly why Agency Recruiters do not share the name of the company. Candidates complain about this all the time. Here is the answer. Anyway...if you didn't sign any contract with the Recruiter then it's on them for sharing that info. 1.5-2.0 days is not much time to wait for the Recruiter to do their thing...perhaps they have a regularly scheduled call with the company to share talent, or they needed to reformat the resume to remove your contact info and add theirs etc. So you didn't give them much of a chance to act. Again...that's on them for giving you the name. Additionally, if the Recruiter did submit, but your applied directly as well, the company may just lie and say you applied first to avoid paying the agency finders fee. Either way... good for you for getting an offer. Best of luck!
Butchering the candidateâs rĂŠsumĂŠ is another reason I refuse to work with those recruiters. One fucker took my painstakingly-formatted PDF with embedded fonts, dumped it into Word, and made it look like garbage. When I saw the printout, I was livid, and handed them an original. Thinking about it now, Iâm wondering if there isnât a copyright angle or something that could be leveraged to put a stop to that.
T-they do thatâŚ? I swear to god if my meticulously designed resume is being parsed like this, Iâm going to lose my shit.
The recruiting agencies I worked with asked me before modifying my resume, and then sent me their version to okay before they sent it out. It seems I was dealing with some nicer people.
Yep, and all so they could put their fucking letterhead on it.
I run a small recruitment agency and we send candidates in their original format unless it's ugly (Indeed default etc.). We also put the name of the business on our adverts and communications and don't do any cold calling. Weird? Maybe. But so far so good it's in year 3 now and everyone seems to love working with us.
One important thing to know when dealing with a recruiter: You are not the client. The company is the client. You are the commodity. Be polite. Be friendly. At the end of the day, they are still people, and there is no reason to make their day worse. But you don't need to foster a business-client relationship with them.
So not to beat the dead horse and all but in this instance you should, at the very least let the company know the circumstances around your hiring. Perhaps talk to the friend that already works for the company and get their take on it, as they know the people involved. If you had waited 4 or 5 days and heard nothing then my response would be different. By your own admission you did not even give the recruiter 3 days to do their job. They have a process that they have to go through as well. Especially when you consider the fact that perhaps your info came to them near the end of a business day and he/she was unable to even start the process going forward until the next day. Which based upon your response would have given them exactly ONE day to process you and forward you through the established channels. Before people come at me, I want to re-iterate the fact that my answer would be different if this was just a case of a shit recruiter that was just checking boxes for the week and OP was ghosted. I have been in the workforce for decades and very few times have I applied and been hired within 36 to 48hrs unless I had an in with the organization. Finally I will add this, for those that are saying that your new company could withdraw their offer, yes that is possible but seems unlikely. They saw enough in you to hire you off the street in what is a short amount of time in the corporate world, it seems unlikely that they would withdraw the offer, provided you are up front about it. Tell them exactly what happened because perhaps that is an issue that they will feel that they need to address with the recruiting company. If you do not, and if they find out later they may see it as a sign of dishonesty and that could be detrimental to your professional life there. Just my 2 cents, take it for what it's worth.
How long did you wait before applying directly?
1.5-2 days. Every other time when it comes to recruiters I get a submitted email and a right to represent email within an hour of a phone call. This one didnât do that so I jumped proactively and once I did within hours I got a response directly from the company.
Ignore anyone who claim what you did is unethical. In job hunting use whatever tool necessary to get a job. You took the initiative while this recruiters dragging his feet. By the way speaking of unethical third party recruiters like him are willing to do the same to you.
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Itâs not entirely unethical, OP should have waited a few more days or checked with the recruiter but their company wouldnât get sued, theyâve found their ideal candidate due to the work the recruiter did. OP hasnât explained how the call with the recruiter went but if they did their job right theyâd sell the company, sell the position, explain the perks and long term vision etc. This would be enough for most clients to pay the fee if it can be proved (assuming the recruiter doesnât have ownership because theyâve not sent the CV already).
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I have diagnosed anxiety so even thought it was that short it felt like forever. Actually woke up at like 3am overthinking it. That anxiety shit is hell. Literally almost gave myself an anxiety attack as I thought about this when I wrote it. It sucks but it is what it is.
Dude you donât have to explain yourself, you did WAIT (even if it wasnât a freaking week or something, like theyâre probably expecting) and decided to go with your better judgement in applying & it worked in your favor. Congrats on the new job!!! đđžđđžđđž
Don't go updating your LinkedIn. Leave it as you are still working on your old place for a month for up to 6 months. Most recruiters are garbage human beings looking for that cash, and he can make your life misrebale.
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Hes a dick because they cant make money off of placing him?
He's a dick because they were only made aware of the job by the recruiter. By going direct they cut out all the hard work the recruiter did to find and represent the job, and took away their way to make a living.
So hes a dick because the leech couldnt leech? His friend works there, hes a better advocate than the recruiter couldve been anyway
The friend can still be an advocate for a candidate introduced by an agency. What is it that you do for a living that is beyond reproach?
I repair and set up computers for students and teachers to use for my local public school district, you know actually doing something for my community
âDick moveâ who cares theyâre recruiters :DD
Like it or not, recruiters bring value. Otherwise the whole profession wouldn't exist.
Tell them to pound sand
Just tell him that through a stroke of good luck you got fast-tracked through the hiring process. Congratulations on the new job.
Life goes on.
That recruiter doesnât exist. Ghost him
Tell the company and let them deal with it.
I mean, you donât have to tell him
Either ghost the recruiter, or if you're feeling extremely charitable then tell them something vague but definitive like "I've decided not to continue with this application" and leave it at that. You don't owe anybody anything.
I think it may get sticky if the recruiter submitted you and then you submitted for your self. If you submitted first then whatever the recruiter gets voided. I had a similar situation but the recruiter told me if I apply then he wonât be able to help me with the process. Honestly the best thing you can do if they ask you was that you knew that the spot was open and that the recruiter didnât respond or give any updates so you submit it your self. Nothing wrong tbh ;) just make sure you point out the 1.5 day ghost. Itâs a hard market out their, you simply were vouching for your self.
Ignore the recruiter for six months before sending him a vaguely worded about moving on without him
Recruiter here. Personally, Iâd be happy you knew someone and had an in that way. Sometimes it takes hiring managers way longer to get back to us than weâd like. Of course, that means me (more specifically, my company) doesnât get paid for filling that role. If that recruiter gets a commission theyâll likely be a bit upset. That being said, Iâm always happy to see people get into a job. If you were able to bypass some red tape and get the gears moving, I say more power to you.
I spent 13 years as a recruiter, and anytime a candidate that I was working with had a contact at my client, if they preferred to reach out to their contact directly I had no issue with that. Basically Iâd suggest them reaching out on their own, or if they would prefer I represent them with their contactâs name, it was cool with me. I donât think youâre going around the recruiter here, from what I gather. If the recruiter didnât respond to hearing you have a contact at their client and also says theyâll submit you, and the possibility of a candidate contacting the client directly on their own doesnât cross their mind, then they are being careless and sloppy in this situation. If you, on your own, managed to expedite the process and receive an offer while also being told by your recruiter that they ââŚhavenât heard back, etc.â, itâs unusual for an interested employer to drag their feet on a hot candidate, which is what would have to be occurring if your recruiter submitted you and itâs been crickets thus far. I get that it feels kind of shitty to not say anything to the recruiter, but in the end, they werenât really needed in this scenario, and the bridge isnât burnt (in my opinion). Telling them you were hired is the decent thing to do so they stop trying to fill the requisition, but itâs not mandatory. Should the recruiter respond to your news angrily or in any way that is unprofessional, then you fucking dodged a bullet there.
Don't have any further contact with the recruiter. Anything you tell them can only hurt you. Congrats on the new position!
Not your problem.
The recruiter either dropped the ball, or the company has not updated the recruiter. Either way, you donât owe anyone anything. You have to lookout for yourself. If the recruiter calls back, politely tell them you have a job and nothing else.
The recruiter was offering you nothing of value. Ghost them.
Is this a problem? NO, you have the job. many people would like to have this problem though.
Don't answer the recruiter
Ghost them. They'd ghost you.
Ghost him. Likes he's ghosted dozens of others.
That recruiter would screw you over for a nickel, they blew their chance and you networked into a job. You owe them nothing
Fuck recruiters. They are just trying to take a cut of your pay and don't have any skills in the actual job. You did well by yourself
Recruiters are like tipping...unnecessary most of the time.
He just texted me it wasnât bad. He said he was genuinely happy for me but he had me at a higher salary submitted. So maybe thatâs why they went directly through me. He wasnât upset and wished me good luck and said stay in touch. All that anxiety for nothing. Guess all prayers got answered and Iâm able to provide for my family once again. Maybe his last rub was I could have gotten you more money. Whatever Iâm not bitter. Iâm just happy. Happy ending. The end.
Just be honest with the recruiter. Tell him you didnât hear back from him and assumed youâd been ghosted (because recruiters do that), so you called your buddy and got the job. Snooze you lose.
I got a direct hire offer from a company at the interview that was set up by a recruiter... Idk of that was legal, but I didn't complain.
You wouldnât have known what company it was if they hadnât told you. You cut them out of a big commission if this was third party. Agree with above response that the company owes agency a fee if the recruiter submitted you. If they hadnât submitted you, they might try to argue you were their candidate and fight for that commission. Ultimately none of this comes down on you bc itâs between company and agency, but what you did is exactly why agencies donât tell candidates what the company is.
If the recruiter was someone you know beyond professional or more casually, Iâd give a heads up & probably offer to help bring others to them to interview for roles. If not, you could still strengthen the bond, but Iâd be careful and just wait. I personally donât trust most people, I maybe a tad paranoid of saboteurs.
Did you sign anything with the recruiter? If no, just ghost them. Or email them telling them you didnât hear back, so you pressed forward because you really wanted the job. At risk of sounding like a prick, unless youâre in some ultra niche role, that recruiter probably wonât even be there by the time youâre looking for jobs again.
If the Recruiter submitted your resume before you contacted the company they owe the Recruiter the fee. It's in the contract. You were unprofessional by going behind his back. You should have told the Recruiter the name of your contact at the company and had him mention it in their presentation to the client. Once the company finds out that you went behind the Recruiter's back and couldn't respect the process, even though it was taking a bit longer than you liked, then they may rescind the offer. Total lack of professionalism.
And THAT is exactly why savvy recruiters donât share company details. Candidates always complain about recruiters but itâs this shit that recruiters have to deal with. Rotten thing to do.
If the company/employer has a contract with the recruiter, and the recruiter submitted your information to them before you actually applied the employer/company is on the hook for the recruiters fee. The right thing to do is to be honest with the recruiter.
If that was the case that makes total sense and it is the ethical thing to do. But he didnât even know Iâve had 2 rounds of interviews when he called and said I havenât heard anything about your resume. Which is where my dilemma resides.
I would say nothing to the recruiter and move on. If you do tell the recruiter, there's a chance they could go fight the company for the fee that they would like to make. Putting yourself at risk by saying anything. Former recruiter here.
Did you have a signed contract with the recruiter? I doubt it. Worst is you probably canât use them again,,
If you donât have a contract with the recruiter s/he has no claim against you. If the company has a deal with the recruiter, he may have a claim for payment under the contract and so you should make them aware of the circumstances.
Don't mind about it, but be careful cause sometimes they are possessive and may not like been skipped, and may, not always, try to sabotage your job. Had several experiences like this. Sometimes, job recruiters just have a lot of work and are understaffed, doing the job of two or three employees, and even do not had the time to select a candidate. Sometimes, they are "too picky" or "too perfectionist" because if they got something wrong they could loose the job. And, the two related worse, sometimes they have a preference for certain candidates, like been from an Ivy League school, and just ignore the others. Or, plain discrimination, like two candidates from same school, and similar work experience and skills arrive, but one of them has religious or political beliefs that the job recruiter dislikes and rejects them...
Do nothing. You donât have to fix the companyâs lack of internal communication during recruitment.
Please tell the company the recruiter told you about the job. In the contracts I've seen, the recruiter only gets First Look if they actually submitted the resume, so you may be in the clear. It's possible they hadn't gotten around to sending your materials to the company and they're owed nothing. But if they threw your hat in the ring before you did, the company probably owes them money. Maybe a considerable amount of money depending on your salary offer. You'll create a lot of work for the company and NOT endear yourself to their lawyers or accountants if you don't disclose to the company.
The company I work for gives our recruiters bonuses for each person they hire that last more than 30 days. Iâve seen her work and she is really good at her job. Constantly on the managers to get back with her, follows up with potential hires, etc. The recruiter that you dealt with, it seems like she definitely dropped the ball. Most people never speak to the recruiter again after they are hired, unless itâs a really small company. So honesty, I wouldnât worry about it too much or say anything.
you owe that recruiter nothing
Yes, applying directly will have way faster results of a company doesnât have to pay a fee. You should mention that you only knew of the role because of the recruiter. Itâs the right thing to do.
Donât worry about recruiters seriously
The recruiter went dark on you. They dropped the ball and you advocated for yourself. Congratulations!! Btw you have no clue if they actually submitted you, for all you know they didnât have an agreement in place with the company they were going to present you to. This is a vendor problem and will most likely bite the recruiter in the ass, not you.
Like what everybody mention in the comment. Ghost the recruiter, since that recruiter took his own sweet him. Donât feel bad about it, but Iâll take a step further by blocking that recruiter on LinkedIn.
Let's get something straight... DO NOT FEEL BAD about going around a recruiter. Recruiters are absolute shyte (I am in management... trust me on this). The fact that you got the job going AROUND the recruiter is honestly BETTER for you. Do not feel bad. Ever.
Donât worry, recruiters will be automated out of existence fairly soon anyway. Every recruiter Iâve ever dealt with was a dead end trying to get thousands of dollars for the unimpressive feat of facilitating less then 8 emails and under 4 phone calls, usually without properly reading the job description or my resume on either my personal site or Linkedin. Your odds went up as soon as you applied directly. I got every job by applying directly.
If you know anything you should know that recruiters are scum. Forget about it and don't apologise.
who cares, not your problem. you dont owe them anything.
Recruiters come and go like piss in the wind, man. Who cares.
> i am not sure how to tell the recruiter that i got the position directly from my own efforts. i feel like i may lose a recruiter connection and im aware that if thats the case i guess it will be, but what would you guys/gals do if you were in my position. What's wrong with losing his number? Statistically, it's a near-certainty he would have ghosted you.
You owe the middle man nothing
In an ideal world, letting them know would be the way to do it, but they lost out and you took matters into your own hands. So you donât need to say anything. Itâs a different story if you went behind their back minutes after they contacted you. You gave them time. In this case, itâs you snooze, you lose. Their bad, so sad. For them. As much as it sucks as a recruiter for this to happen (itâs happened to me and it was honestly my fault and I couldnât do anything more but learn from my mistake), they didnât do anything with your resume or if they did, they didnât sell you enough. Thatâs on them. Not you.
The recruiter dropped the ball, no need to be guilty. You saw a chance and took it.
You canât fix this for the recruiter. They will not get the commission from the company. You shouldnât have to pay them thousands or tens of thousands of dollars out of your own pocket. And you shouldnât ask the company to compensate the recruiter. The fact that they are directly hiring you goes into the decision because they donât have to pay a recruiter tons of money. So the only correct thing to do is just take the job and move on. If you tell the recruiter, what happened, they may contact the company and hurt your chance of getting the job.
Wouldnât have known of position without recruiter though.
Ghost AND block on LinkedIn, etc?
Ghosted a pointless middle man that rarely does anything but bog down the process. NTA.
I wouldn't say anything to them at all. You don't seem to have a contract with them and you gave them plenty of time to do what you ended up doing yourself. If you want to be polite just tell them you're no longer looking for a new position.
Itâs between the recruiter and the employer. As a sales leader, if a customer reached out to us because of the efforts of a sales person, even if they knew of us previously but hadnât bought, I would expect to pay a commission on that but I would absolutely 100% never ever expect commission or attribution issues to come back to the customer.
That company is about to get a surprise invoice if you applied after they submitted you. If they have a legitimate agreement with the company they absolutely could get an invoice and the terms usually say the first person to get a qualified submission gets the fee. If you want to say something, definitely wait until the offer is accepted and any contingencies like background checks are complete.
If there is no written agreement between you and the recruiter, you owe the recruiter nothing for the low effort he put in.
Just thank him politely for his time. And don't worry about it.
Recruiter had their chance. They either didn't submit, or they're one of the recruiters that's so shitty (I know, it's difficult to discern among them) that they are persona non grata with the company anyway, so their submission of you was ignored.
Tell the recruiter nothing. Send him an email and tell him due to personal reasons you have decided to stop looking for employment at this time. If you decide to pursue employment opportunities you will contact him in the future. Case closed
You took your future into your own hands rather than waiting for someone else to do it for you. Good on you, and if they ask you can tell them the same. Also, I wish people would proof-read more.
That recruiter doesnât seem to be worth keeping contact with. Thereâll always be more recruiters. Plus with turnover in hiring departments he may not even be a recruiter when you next want a job.
Itâs just the recruiter. Donât worry about it.
Recruiter probably forgot who you were.
Don't ever let recruiters be hypocrites. They should know what they need to do to get paid. They don't get to complain about being bypassed or ghosted when they delay or ghost people. Just ghost the recruiter. Share your recruiter interaction with your employer if the recruiter makes a big deal out of it.
Recruiter connections are not valuable in a company where you can get in touch with the c-suite directly. Honestly, generally speaking, recruiter connections just aren't very valuable for the reasons your story illustrates. Its just faster to go through company leadership. Company leadership are the donnections you should make and value.
I am an executive recruiter. If the recruiter was not returning emails or calls then you did nothing wrong. I am not sure how much time passed between you reaching out to him and reaching out to the company. If the recruiter did what they said they were going to do and submitted you before you called them then they "should" still get a fee for submitting your information first. It is really about the timing of everything. It is all on the recruiter though for not speaking to you through the process. I have been in situations like this and if I submit someone and they know someone at the company I will put that in my info I give to the company. If they do not hear anything I will tell the candidate to reach out. My job as a recruiter is to get good people hired.
If you are not under any contract with the recruiter, then you are under no obligation to continue with them.
You don't owe that recruiter anything. In fact, it sounds like you gave them the chance to do their job and they let you down. I would say any future interaction doesn't need to be any more than a polite/civil "Thanks, but no thanks." Admittedly, I haven't needed the services of a recruiter, but as often as I'm contacted by them there are plenty out there. So don't sweat burning a bridge with just one.
Loosing a recruiter connection isn't really a thing. They all just want to recruit as many people as possible, they spam there contact info to anyone and everyone. That's like saying you lost a mechanic connection because you used a different mechanic one time, your there customer, they are always going to want more customers.
Not your problem. The employer is the one with the agreement (if any) with the recruiter. If you notify the recruiter they will talk to the employer. Youâll be fired because the recruiter is paid based on retention and nobody wins. Let the employer make the decision.
Fuck senseless middlemen! You win!!
Hah
God no. You did the right thing. You got a job offer! Remember, you got to do whatâs best for you.
Indeed but the universe took the stress out of it and he called me and I still have an offer starting on Monday. Everyone ended up how it needed to.
> i am not sure how to tell the recruiter that i got the position directly from my own efforts. Reach out and tell them you have some important information to share and you'll follow up with them shortly. Then just...don't
All advice and it turned out he got paid I still have the job and life went on. He wasnât bitter he still gets paid one way or a other. Starting on Monday!