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old_chelmsfordian

Guehi is a very good player, young, athletic, good with the ball and hopefully a good character given he regularly captains Palace. We could definitely do worse. Article also links us to Max Kilman which I think would be a really canny signing. He's probably not quite as good as Guehi defensively but he's great with the ball (as 25 caps for England futsal team would prove). Ultimately we need more centre backs, and could do a lot worse than one of these two. Although they'll inevitably become shite, injured or both as soon as they arrive at Carrington.


Outrageous-Cod-4654

If Palace really do want AWB back, then there’s a deal to be done. 


Cold-Veterinarian-85

We have been linked with olise aswel from palace 


Smooth-Yogurt9691

Olise is injury prone, just take a look at his missing games history


chebate08

I doubt they would want him back. Palace don’t really play with fullbacks like him, Glasner plays five at the back with Mitchell and Muñoz as wingbacks.


Kallian_League

I think it would be a mistake to let Aaron go at the moment.


mindpainters

Only if we don’t get a replacement. But he’s pretty easily replaceable especially if dalot doesn’t have to play lb next season


ImVortexlol

I think keeping AWB as a sub is fine, the problem rn is that he has to play every match because Shaw is Shaw and Malacia died


BrockStar92

Is he easily replaceable? Our track record of signings aren’t great. Our last cheap backup fullback vanished into the aether leaving us screwed in that position all season. AWB provides cover without complaint and is mostly not injured (at least less so than our many repeat offenders).


NotSwedishMac

Kilman seems a little more exciting to me than Guehi and Braithwaite but they're all strong players I'd welcome in a heartbeat 


S0phon

Kilman is left footed, he'd be LCB. Having Martinez backup is not a bad thing but the club needs RCB way more.


MrSvancy

We gave 4 RCB and one LCB. Probably need both but we certainly don't need RCB WAY more


Alive-Clerk-7883

You do when you want someone with a similar profile to Martinez who is an agile ball playing LCB to be playing on the right. Maguire has stopped making stupid mistakes as often as he used to before but I don’t think he is the right RCB, and Varane is mostly injured so he can only mainly be an experienced rotation player or sub in the future.


S0phon

Varane's contract is also up and I don't see him staying beyond summer.


Alive-Clerk-7883

He might be renewed under the new management if he is down taking a major salary decrease as his game time isn’t really good and his performances have peaked already. The issue with the current team is, they can’t replace everyone they want in an instant even with a good sporting director, depending on who is going to be sold for good enough money like Greencunt/Sancho/Scott?/Maguire?/Casemiro?


S0phon

I see the priorities as following: - RCB - LB - DM Then lower on the list: - striker - young RB since AWB ain't it - LCB for cover and competition - RW unless ETH/another manager wants to give Antony another chance - CM so Mainoo doesn't have to play so much. McT is a tool for specific situations, Eriksen is probably leaving


Red-Star-44

How is RW not our first priority, maybe after DM


MrSvancy

Yeah, I do think we also need a RCB, preferably a starter, but a backup LCB is equally important because when Licha is injured the only other left footed player who can play CB is Shaw, and he is also prone to injuries


Alive-Clerk-7883

I think the club will start transitioning Shaw as a backup LB and a rotational LCB if they can get a new starting LB. Shaw doesn’t get injured often but whenever he is injured he is injured for a long time and every time he comes back from an injury he looks rusty asf.


S0phon

Let's list the 4 RCBs: - Varane - perennially injured and his contract is up anyway - Lindelof - good as a backup at best, possibly leaving - Maguire - while he's a good defender, he has weaknesses and at 31, not the future, possibly leaving - Kambwala - a teenager One CB is definitely leaving and one might. That leaves two RCBs and one of them is a teenager. You do the math.


MrSvancy

I was actually thinking of Evans, not Kambwala, but you make a fair point. As I said, I think we need both. Using the same math as you, let's list our LCBs: - Martinez - injured a lot this season, but very good when fit - Shaw - an injury prone left back that can play CB if needed We definitely need both a RCB and a LCB


S0phon

Ideally yes, but the club at least has a starter LCB. The club does not have a starter RCB.


MrSvancy

If Maguire keeps up his form I think he can be a starter, but I do understand your point. It's just that I think having 2-3 7/10 players might be better than one 9/10 without a backup


daveclair

Maguire has been fantastic and despite how much criticism the team is (deservedly) getting, he really silenced his critics. That said, he can't be starting. His lack of mobility means we don't play with a back line high enough to sustain ten hag's tactics.


MrSvancy

Fair point, but I do think it could be possible to play him in a high line if the players around him are sufficently quick (Licha and Dalot are quite fast, for example). With players like Evans, Varane (who has lost his pace), Lindelof or Casemiro next to him it will obviously not work though. Again, I think a mobile RCB should be a priority but Maguire can certainly play a big role next season imo


Gazlc81

The starter LCB is injury prone and will likely continue to be.


jakedobson

Everyone in this team is injury prone, at a point you have to look past individual players


daveclair

To be very honest I'd rather get a RCB and a good left back. Shaw's injury record isn't improving and he's a better back up LCB than the ones we'd be able to buy that wouldn't mind playing second fiddle to licha.


Comicksands

Yeah we need to sell 3 of those RCBs


rdawes89

Kilman isn’t fast though


manc4life

Max Kilman’s a good shout!


Cold-Veterinarian-85

I put that one out there a few months ago as a decent option nobody would consider on here (perhaps I should be an ITK on twitter:) ) But at the time I reasoned it would make sense if there were wholesale changes and it was part of a large scale turnover of CBs. So if we move in varane, evans and sell lindelof for example, a very good CB + Kilman or similar profile would be decent to cover all 3 of those.  Think the reasoning atvthe time was I filtered for left footed CBs that could potentially understudy licha and wouldnt cost us our summer budget 


drdr3ad

> Article also links us to Max Kilman which I think would be a really canny signing Tbf most of that Wolves team is pretty solid and would probably start for us. Even Gary O'Neil


Cold-Veterinarian-85

I really like ait nouri any time j have seen him play. Given LB seems a priority, I would be surprised if we weren't tracking him closely


funky_pill

I like Ait-Nouri. He's really good technically and loves to get forward (he bombs up and down that flank, similar to Dalot), and is at the right age to think about making the step up in his career (no disrespect to Wolves). Probably wouldn't cost a fortune either. Also, it'd be worth it to watch United games and have the commentator mention Ait-Nouri's name because I always think to myself "well, who is it then?" and have a little chuckle to myself after


KimmyBoiUn

He's "only' 6ft which is relatively small for a CB, especially considering Martinez is like 5'9. I like Guehi but we should look for taller players.


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Writer_Kooky

Not counting on Malacia until he's back on the field and developing into a stronger attacking full back. The length of injury he's coming back from has ruined a lot of careers. 


joelalmiron

Just get tosin on a free


old_chelmsfordian

Entirely possible we do - was Wilcox academy head at City when Adarabioyo was there?


Wulffricc

Defo was. He the academy director from 2012-2019.


daveclair

Hojlund was broken before he even got here :'(


AlephEpsilon

How good of his ability on the ball are you rating him? Let’s say from Zouma to Cannavaro. I’ve not watched Guehi at all but he seems highly rated by many.


jesusthatsgreat

What is Guehi like as a person? Outspoken and loves the limelight? Hates the spotlight and avoids interviews? Any bust ups with teammates? Controversial comments or activity on social media? This is equally as important these days.


Orcnick

I still love how we get connected to everyone, but then the newspapers tell us how we have no money, only to go buy random useless players for £80m.


Writer_Kooky

Did anyone ever look into how Jim's 2/300m investment factors into FFP? Theoretically we need to sell this year again but nobody has numbers. 


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[https://theathletic.com/5263376/2024/02/20/ratcliffe-300m-man-utd/#](https://theathletic.com/5263376/2024/02/20/ratcliffe-300m-man-utd/#)


Writer_Kooky

Perfect thanks! Relevant part: >As a payment for shares that increase his stake in the club, the $300m fits the definition of secure funding perfectly. If United’s PSR is over the lower £15m threshold on the 2023-24 test, it could be used to cover losses of up to £105m. But will United need Ratcliffe’s money to do that? Probably not. .... >According to United’s most recent financial statements for the first quarter of 2023-24, cash reserves stood at £81m ($102m). The club also has a ‘revolving credit facility’ — in other words, an overdraft — that they can spend a further £40m ($51m) on. That would be more than enough to cover PSR losses up to the £105m limit, even without Ratcliffe’s investment. And in that respect, Maguire says that the $300m has “zero impact” on United’s PSR position.


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red-17

FFP has allowances for losses that are covered by the owners of up to 90 million. You are only allowed to lose 15 million if it’s not secured by the owners


The_Bird_Wizard

Unless they only have a year left buying from the Prem is just begging to be mugged off, especially from teams like Palace that don't need to sell. Fwiw I think he's a good player but we can surely do better for that price.


Even_Interac

Josip Sŭtalo made the move from Zagreb to Ajax last summer. Has international caps for Croatia & is probably not far from the same level as Gvardiol before he made his City move. Ajax is in as much mess as us, so he may be willing to make the move because at least he will be getting a PL salary to hop on a sinking ship. Same sort of age as Martinez too. He would walk right into our right centreback spot ahead of whoever we will keep over the summer. Plus the lads market value is like €20m. Realistically more like 15m now after the season Ajax had, so a flat €20m would be fantastic business for us. This is just 1 dude who could make sense as a target. Don't see Guehi being particularly leaps and bounds better than this guy to justify such a dramatic variance in value. Besides Sŭtalo is just one option of many countless CBs from other leagues that have both European & international experience already, yet won't cost absurd prices. It's almost like someone needs to tell the club football manager tactics where you scout for players by caps in both under 21 and first team international play, which is entirely viable. God forbid we can't sell shirts with their name on it though. That's naturally the priority, like giving Mount the 7 shirt.


redditUser76754689

Sutalo has been poor for Ajax. Their fans have more or less been slating him. His performances over the last season are nowhere near our standard, never mind walking into the rcb position


BrockStar92

>Josip Sŭtalo made the move from Zagreb to Ajax last summer. Has international caps for Croatia & is probably not far from the same level as Gvardiol before he made his City move. Leaving aside the rest of your comment, this is an utterly laughable statement. Gvardiol was THE number one CB prospect in world football, he’d performed spectacularly on the world stage for Croatia and had multiple high performance seasons in the Bundesliga and CL. He then cost almost 100m which most people considered reasonably justified. One season in the Eredivisie is nowhere close to all that, no matter how well he played there. Antony had more than one season in the Eredivisie and is a winger (so automatically pricier) and his 82m fee was a ludicrous overpay, yet you think this guy isn’t far off a 100m player as a CB?


Mepsi

We're gonna get mugged off from anywhere if they are young, first team and not out of contract. Look at Hojlund.


nearly_headless_nic

**Article, Relevant bits:** >Crystal Palace fear that Marc Guéhi is likely to leave this summer. > >The England centre back has two years left on his contract with Palace and is expected to cost more than £55 million, which would eclipse the £50 million Palace earned from selling the right back Aaron Wan-Bissaka to United in 2019. > >United and Arsenal have scouted Guéhi, 23, who had knee surgery in February to try to ensure that he would be in contention to be named in England’s squad for the European Championship in Germany this summer. > >United have prioritised bringing in a defender and a striker, and Guéhi is on a shortlist that also includes Max Kilman, the Wolverhampton Wanderers captain. Kilman is also a target for West Ham United. > >Manchester United have had problems in defence and have been unable to pick their first-choice back four for most of the campaign. Lisandro Martínez and Victor Lindelof were ruled out for more than a month with calf and hamstring injuries respectively. > >Arsenal could need another centre back depending on the future of Jakub Kiwior, the third choice who has played as cover for Oleksandr Zinchenko at left back. > >Guéhi has won nine caps, most recently against North Macedonia in the qualifying campaign in November last year. Guéhi joined Palace for £18 million three years ago having come through Chelsea’s academy, and the west London club have the right to match bids from other clubs. Tottenham Hotspur had interest in the past but have since signed two centre backs. > >Regardless of Guéhi’s future, the Palace manager Oliver Glasner will probably need to sign a centre back for his wingback system with James Tomkins and Rob Holding out of contract this summer. Chris Richards has been playing with Joachim Andersen in Guéhi’s absence > >In January Palace tried to sign Ronnie Edwards, the Peterborough United defender who won the European Under-19 Championship with England in 2022. The 21-year-old has helped them reach the League One play-offs and is under contract until 2025. Palace face competition for Edwards from West Ham, who tried to sign him when Peterborough wanted £15 million in 2022. Barnet, the National League side, are due to receive half of any transfer fee as part of the deal. > >United have also considered trying to sign Palace’s winger Michael Olise, the 22-year-old who was close to joining Chelsea last summer before agreeing a new contract with Palace.


thesmallprint13

Ah so Palace will be the latest team to fleece us for money (again)


pakattack91

Not with Ineos at the wheel


SeatSniffer12345

I’d prefer to sign Joachim Andersen, got a great pass on him


chebate08

Doubt the club would go for him. He’s 28 this year


Iqbalainoo

29 soon and very slow.


martialgreenwood

Guéhi to Chelsea for 80M. Here we go!


Outrageous-Cod-4654

You may need a new name/alias for next season, hopefully. Might I suggest sanchovandebeek?


tearsandpain84

Having fit centre backs…. What a world that would be… a dream world… a perfect world…. A better world


LDLB99

Surely we can find centre backs that are as good for less? This feels like going for Wan Bissaka in 2019. Underwhelming.


Mepsi

Wan Bissaka signing received universal praise from fans and pundits.


jiddy8379

Disagree for £55m he’s solid af — would slot right in for varane and play a lions share of games


DevineAaron92

Varane is gone or always injured so Maguire is his partner


joelalmiron

Just get tosin on a free and Todibo for 40 mil so defenders for next year are tosin, todibo, maguire, Martinez, kambwala


ja0520

You forgot the goat 🐐 evans smh


joelalmiron

Isn’t he moving to coaching


ja0520

Oh idk i haven't heard that but i haven't kept up with the news lately I hope he stays here for 1 or 2 years 😭🙏


joelalmiron

We need space for our 25 man squad and if we not gonna use Evans might save one spot for someone else.


Heisenberg_235

25 man squad? We need far more than that mate, have you seen the injuries this season?


joelalmiron

You can only register 25 players to play in the premier league. How do you not know this. You can’t register as many players as you want.


Heisenberg_235

Ok. Clearly your sarcasm detector isn’t working properly tonight. In any case, Evans classes as home grown. That’s important. We don’t have many in the overall squad. Maguire, AWB, Shaw, McTominay, Rashford, Mount, Heaton and Evans. Martial may count but as he’s gone after this season then makes it hard for United to hit the number required. Under 21s don’t count against the 25 so Garnacho, Mainoo, Amad, Hoijland, Kwambala etc are all freebies against that number this season. Next season Rasmus won’t be though.


joelalmiron

Or your sarcasm is just shit. It’s not sarcasm if what you say is impossible to happen, which it is. Yea homegrown is a worry but 6 cbs is overload. Rather sign a homegrown midfield like kdh or Barkley


mindpainters

Sarcasm can 100% be something that can’t happen lmao. And we can register 25 players and have a larger squad than that as the u21s don’t count for registration purposes. So you’re wrong either way you look at it.


ja0520

I also wish we get branthwaite rather than todibo i know todibo is probably better on the ball but idk i feel branthwaite is the better defender/ has more potential


joelalmiron

Same but branthwaite will cost twice as much. We have like 100 mil net spend so we have to save as much as possible.


ClumsyChampion

You forgot, Casimirooooooooo. Ain’t no way he’s leaving. As in, we want to, but no offer


joelalmiron

He’s not a traditional cb. And he’s leaving anyway


ClumsyChampion

You sure? I swear I remember his contract end in 2026


joelalmiron

Selling him to Saudi


Vico-78

Apparently the Saudis aren’t going to be spending like they were last summer.


joelalmiron

He’s gonna go for like 30 mil max anyway.


BrockStar92

To whom? Nobody else is crazy enough to buy him.


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SpecialistBig6992

New heads won’t automatically make them able to sell these players 😭 their salaries are already set no fixing that


JimJimerson90

Sure we'll take half of that palace team yea


Sob_me_a_lake

I’ll take effort over talent when talent refuses to work hard.


davidl988

Dougie Freeman masterclass before he moves


nearly_headless_nic

**From the article:** >United and Arsenal have scouted Guéhi, 23, who had knee surgery in February to try to ensure that he would be in contention to be named in England’s squad for the European Championship in Germany this summer. > >**United have prioritised bringing in a defender and a striker**, and Guéhi is on a shortlist **that also includes Max Kilman, the Wolverhampton Wanderers captain.** Kilman is also a target for West Ham United. > >Manchester United have had problems in defence and have been unable to pick their first-choice back four for most of the campaign. Lisandro Martínez and Victor Lindelof were ruled out for more than a month with calf and hamstring injuries respectively. Also >United have also considered trying to sign Palace’s winger Michael Olise, the 22-year-old who was close to joining Chelsea last summer before agreeing a new contract with Palace.


NoBreakfast9230

Please no more signings with bad knees


Wulffricc

who has a bad knee?


Heisenberg_235

The one the article mentioned had knee surgery in February. Keep up


Wulffricc

Doesn’t mean he’s not gonna make a full recovery.


mindpainters

It’s still a gamble we can ill afford to lose


BuzzTNA

Andersen is quality too. Tomori, another.


dopeveign

We always go for well known pl proven expensive players and overpay for them... hope this changes


BlackHorse944

Not the palace player I was hoping for but we do need a CB


BurnaboyBurnaAccount

I love that Guéhi contemplation meme lol


TellSloanISaidHi

Hope they're looking at Antonio Silva and Ousamane Diomande too


devamis

He is a good defender, but I think we should be aiming for better than him, especially when the price is £55m.


timmyctc

Fuck it let's ruin another players career. I'm ready


Gabi_Social

I think Kilman is a bit overrated - he's a walking red card in waiting. I'd be happy with Guehi and/or Tomori from Meelan.


Hopeful_Adonis

I think we could do better with £55 pound personally


Sethlans

Fifty five pounds pound?


Hopeful_Adonis

😂 part of my opening bid to lower expectations! Missed the M


Jerm8888

Let’s not destroy this kids career


ronaldo69messi

Seems like awb 2.0


owenhargreaves

It doesn't matter what players you insert into this squad, we will get the same results. I like Ten Hag and want him to succeed but his bloody minded persistence with his footballing formula at the expense of even attempting to fix the problems we can all see is going to bring everything crashing down for him or us before he gets the perfect pieces into his footballing jigsaw. It makes me laugh when pundits say 'you don't know which Man Utd you are going to get today' because there is only one variation, the difference is whether the opposition successfully exploits it or not, and the randomness of moments of individual brilliance that dig us briefly out of holes. So sure, keep Ten Hag, make some new signings, but the overarching plan has to come from the new footballing structure and the managers only role is to take what he's given and execute the plan. For goodness sake don't just throw more players into our meat grinder - right now players are coming to this club and almost universally becoming irredeemable overnight.


EngineerGuy_HU

Can he play LB?


Short_Restaurant_268

I’d like us to have a real go at getting Ezri Konsa from Villa. Watched a lot of them this season and he is a proper footballer. Good with the ball, rapid and strong both physically and mentally. Can also comfortably cover right back if we sell one of Wan Biss or Dalot.


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Minz15

Guehi and Olise, please and thank you Palace.


Heavens_Vibe

If we go for a Premier League CB then IMO Tosin Adarabioyo, Issa Diop, or Calvin Bassey would be my preferred choice as options to do the role Varane has tried to do this season.


bichkrichdrick

You work for Fulhams transfer department ?


Wulffricc

Diop and Bassey stink of shit


Away_Associate4589

Calvin Bassey? He's almost cartoonishly terrible on the ball. I pray we don't go anywhere near him.


mindpainters

Bassey is not a good footballer. I’ve watched a decent amount of Fulham matches and all he has is good physicals. I’d rather bring smalling back than have bassey in the squad lol


pearlz176

Bassey is garbage