https://preview.redd.it/nznze0svhj3d1.png?width=763&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=367b3381e3457c7c89547065c2c62e6e7516d949 That's how Pedri looked in the Olympics after Euros in the same summer. He's yet to fully recover since.

He doesn’t look too bad for a 34 year old

He is 12 in that picture.

he's still in his dad's ballsack in that picture

He started over 30 games in a row for club and now they want him to play two tournaments in a summer.

Doubt he’ll start at Copa America tho

Start or not, its still non-stop training with medium-high intensity throughout the summer

Tbf im sure a young guy like garnacho is going to be training at that intensity alone as well throughout the break. Most players would be. I can’t speak about mentally but I think physically it’s probably ok to stay with the team for copa America and same for mainoo who shouldn’t get too many minutes

Most of them were with a week break. He's also not good enough to start for Argentina's senior team.

We don't have to actually let him in play in the Olympics since it's not an official tournament. My guess is that he'll only be at one of the tournaments.

We are the issue if he gets burned out, not the NT. Scaloni will probably only use him as an impact sub.

I think playing both tournaments in one summer is overkill but I do agree, annoys me when clubs complain about players playing too much international football when they've played them for 50 games across the season. I know people will say our options up front were a bit limited this year but we had chances to rest him and didn't use them.

Clubs pay the players.

International teams *also* pay the players. It’s not as much and I believe they often donate it rather than receive it, but they are paid.

Such a pointless nitpick.. International teams pay the players they call up, they don't employ them. The employer is the club (pays them regardless whether they play, takes care of them, etccc)

Might aswell never sign an argentinean ever again. I dont recall any of them passing up the NT for the club. Di Maria even wanted to be kicked out of Real Madrid to play the WC final. In any case, hes not a starter for Scaloni yet so his playtime at Copa America will be pretty minor, unless he pulls up something similar to Julian in the WC to force his way into it. Wich might be possible with Lautaro's usual ghosting, Di Maria's age and Julian having a drought.

True, but imagine if those clubs start trying to hold players back from playing for their national teams, no-one will want to sign for them. There's only about 15 international games a year at most, clubs just need to accept it.

Clubs are obligated to release players in certain windows.. Just talking about the Olympics or the u21 or or.. Anw, I think they need to let him go to the Olympics if he wants to

Ok so clubs are supposed to just not play good players because they might play 2 international tournaments back to back now? It's nobody's fault but Fifa's

No, I'm saying we should protect our players because we know what the schedule is like, and we've got players good enough to be called up to their national sides so we know it's likely they'll be playing international football too. Keeping players well rested benefits us, obviously we want to play our best players but Garnacho didn't need to start 38 games in a row when we've had Amad fit since January.

The olympics is not a FIFA event though. Clubs have the right to stop them playing in it.

The only way to stop argentinians from representing their country, is by killing them.

> Scaloni will probably only use him as an impact sub. No chance, unless they pick a LW as one of the Over 23s he's starting.

Good point tbf, forgot Olympics are U23 so he most likely starts there. Was mostly thinking about the Copa where I think my initial point still stands.

Oh I apologise, I misunderstood too. Didn't read the thread properly and thought you were on about the Olympics, my bad!

I love it when internet misunderstandings are resolved in such a wholesome way Now, one of you insult ETH and the other say something about the other's mum

Sorry I didn't hear that could you say it again

I would never insult Ten Hag, his mum however..

I love it when internet misunderstandings are resolved in such a wholesome way Now, one of you insult ETH and the other say something about the other's mum

I love it when internet misunderstandings are resolved in such a wholesome way Now, one of you insult ETH and the other say something about the other's mum

I love it when internet misunderstandings are resolved in such a wholesome way Now, one of you insult ETH and the other say something about the other's mum

I love it when internet misunderstandings are resolved in such a wholesome way Now, one of you insult ETH and the other say something about the other's mum

Scaloni isn't the manager of the U23s, Mascherano is

Yeah I didn't read the thread properly, apologised further down the thread

Yep they will probably win it ?

I know Argentinians are very patriotic about having their players play every tournament but it’s important to take care of young players like garnacho. He’s played a lot this season which has been good for his development which is important for Argentina as they want good players. But playing back to back tournaments and then going straight into the new season will definitely hamper his progress with injuries. For his development, it’s best he goes to the senior squad for the experience and that’s it.

Could say we should of taken care of him and not started him 38x in a row

This is why we need Olise.

Olise has missed a good but if the last two seasons with hamstring injuries.

Tbf it was 1 bad injury, from which he was rushed back too soon by a manager trying to save his own skin.

Olise played 37 epl games in 22-23. Only this season he was injured. And as the other guy pointed out he was rushed back from injury so got injured again.

I hope that next season we have sufficient squad depth and improvements in whatever has been causing the injuries such that we’re better able to manage our players’ game time, especially the young players and those more prone to injury.

Nothing to do with squad depth, it's the manager. Did he need to start Garnacho vs Newport County? Could Pellistri or Amad not have started?

Considering we were almost eliminated against the likes of Coventry, I'd say yes.

Which was nothing to do with resting players or not.

Could’ve easily started amad in some of the games but garnacho was in the lineup either rw or lw almost every game. Fair enough some positions there weren’t many replacements but not using amad until very late in the season definitely hurt us more than it helped us

I hope we have a manager who'll better manage it

Does he start for Argentina? If he goes along with the senior team for the Copa America for the experience but doesn't actually play, then goes to the Olympics and does actually play, I suppose that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world?

But will he have had a break from football? If not, do we have to give him one meaning he missing all pre season?

If he goes, he'll be subbed at the very least. We don't want that.

I doubt he starts but he’ll probably get minutes or if there’s an injury play more. The problem is he is still young and developing and already has had a lot of minutes this season so ideally he’d just rest like rashford

I wish Garnacho opted for Spain. Spaniards are patriotic but in a chill way “I can pretend I’m injured for this international break” way. Argentines would hijack a plane and hold 200 people hostage just to fly to La Paz and come on as a 90+3rd minute sub for the u17 side in a friendly against Bolivia.

He's only half Argentine and has never even lived there AFAIK so I'm not sure where that patriotism would come from.

From his half Argentinian origin?

**Article:** >Manchester United's Alejandro Garnacho could be selected for both Argentina's Copa America squad and the under-23 squad for the Paris Olympics this summer. > >Selection would come on the back of the 19-year-old's breakthrough season at Old Trafford, which culminated in him scoring the opening goal in the FA Cup final victory over Manchester City. > >**It would mean a busy summer for the young winger**, who has five senior caps, with Argentina opening their **Copa America campaign against Canada in Atlanta on 20 June. The final is in Miami on 14 July.** > >They have been drawn in the same Olympic group as Morocco, Iraq and Ukraine. **That tournament runs from 24 July to 9 August.** > >The **Premier League season begins on 17 August**, although United will play City in the **Community Shield at Wembley on 10 August.**

fuuuuuck off, or or the other is fine

Rashfords got the summer off, Mount hopefully will get back to fitness, Amad looking brighter and more involved. Ideally the club will be able to give him a few weeks off in Aug/Sep so he can come back fresh.

The club needs to step in and say Garnacho is only allowed to be selected for one tournament not both. As much as Garnacho wants to play he needs to be managed for the sake of his own health in the future. He already played more than expected this past season as a teenager and continuing to give him so many minutes without rest will only increase the chances of injuries in the future.

Unfortunately Fifa rules prohibit this, it would have to be Garnachos decision

I don’t think the Olympics are sanctioned by FIFA so would that still not be possible?

We can say no to the Olympics, but he's likely to want to play for the gold medal chance We're likely gonna have to let him play

We stopped him going to the U20 World Cup in 2023

Bit different to the Olympics We don't wanna piss the lad off and have him not sign a new deal

Right yes, it was because it outside of an international window so clubs didn't have to realese players I guess we could do the same for the Olympics

We can neither Paris or LA is on the international match calendar

That was during the season so we had the ability to do so.

The Olympics aren't on the international match calendar, meaning it's at our discretion if he goes

Isn’t madrid doing the same with mbappe?

They only ban the Olympics. It's usually isn't a huge deal but because the current Olympics is held in France there's a pressure for Mbappe to be part of it, even though he is already over 23 years old.

Clubs pay a compensation to the country I seen it with Slavia Prague or something

Just needs a bit of common sense from UEFA/FIFA/IOC and say that if you play in one then you can’t play in the other. Won’t ever happen.

One tournament would be fair enough, both would be idiotic. I’m not sure how much he’d play, particularly in the copa America, you’d think he would be more likely to get minutes in the Olympics.

He is going to get Pedri’d ffs

Bad situation for Garnacho. He needs rest especially at that age he will be played to the ground 😔

He’ll barely play in the Copa

I have faith in Garnacho and his people to think about this thoroughly and decide what is best for him. We have no right to expect or tell him what to do, we just have to hope he wants to protect himself while also having the honour of playing for his NT. Whatever he decides I’m delighted for him to be able to have these opportunities on the back of hard work and good performances with United.

Madrid isn’t letting any of their players to play in the olympics. Why can’t we also do it?

We don't have to let anyone go and I doubt we let him do both.

Probably not gonna play much this Copa

I agree but it’s the travel and training sessions instead of rest and recovery throughout the summer. I wouldn’t be mad if it was one but both is no good.

Yeah but Olympics in Paris not so far. The club could extend his vacation afterwards. Amad Antony Sancho gotta work hard since they're not called up this summer

Fuck Sancho, he is not coming back to the squad to play.

We might need to invest in a winger or bring someone up from the academy just to give Garnacho enough time to rest and recover. It’s not gonna be good in the long run if we play him as frequently as we did in the season.

All well and good saying as fans x,y or z but if I were in his position I'd want to play for my country any chance I got. It's up to the club to have a big enough squad to be able to cope with this....surely someone at Manchester United has hopefully forseen this possibility and have it budgeted into summer transfer planning. We need to make a couple of signings and be prepared for this happening.

Should only do one or the other don't want to break him I would say the Olympics surely they have enough players they won't need him for Copa

So we don't actually have to agree to let him play in the Olympics since it's not a sanctioned event. My guess is that he'll only be in one of them.

Football at the olympics is dumb

FFS please no

With minimum 3-week holiday entitlement after a tournament, Argentina would have to go out in the group stage to even begin to make the above a possibility. Not gonna happen

Copa and back to rest

If he’s chosen for the Olympics he’ll have 7 days until the premier league starts if they reach the final…

United need to get some bollocks and say no.

No player should play in both

Copa America but not Olympics, assuming he will be on the bench

Anybody who plays in an international tournament this summer shouldn't be allowed to play in the Olympics. Are there no players' unions to stop players from playing so much? Players need time to recover before the new season starts.

That's a lot of football .... worried about injuries...

Garnacho is obligated to play just 1 tournament. I'm sure he wants to play both but I think he should play just the Olympics. Argentina should have enough talent without having to rely on him for the Copa America but ultimately it's up to Garnacho himself.

Give the lad a break. He's played 200% more than he should've this season already. Carried us for huge parts of the season. He needs a rest.

Carrying a team really isn't what it used to be.

I'll say this much.  At the copa, he's unlikely to play very many games, do maria will have a starting spot and garna will come on when needed. He'll largely be training with the squad but I don't see him remotely stretched in the championship. At the Olympics, garna is likely to take a central role and be one of the 'leaders'. That could give him fantastic and invaluable experience. If they win that'll do him a world of good. Yes, there's the obvious concerns about work load, but we already prevented him from going for the u-21's once.