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Honestly. I saw similar comments on a video of a hijabi who does taekwondo. They called her an abomination, and said all kinds of disgusting things about how she'll undoubtedly disobey her husband.
I remember one comment distinctly saying something about how no man will want a woman like her who could fight off her husband.
It's honestly disgusting.
Oh god, that’s another level of gross. That’s such rape-y bullshit to say. Why would she need to fight you off, buddy? What are you saying about yourself?
I say that, but I feel like a lot of the rhetoric I’ve heard from people who’d say that kind of stuff is just being openly excited to rape women.
They really don't think like that. That's my biggest problem with islam. It just completely inverts most modern values and morals people have. Which means that whatever 'logical' criticism we make, they won't find it logical at all.
Rape is when you have consensual sex before marriage. Non con forced sex is fine as long as the woman is under your ownership and is branded by your family name.
It's bizarre. I mean, my wife knows where we keep the kitchen knives. She knows where I sleep. She doesn't need taekwondo if she wants to do some damage. What keeps me alive? I'm not a dick to her.
This. My dad raised his hand to my mom exactly once. She told him that he might be able to hit her, as he's bigger and stronger than her, but he better never fall asleep ever again, because she would happily cut his dick off while he slept.
You're onto something. A woman that is having fun doesn't need a man. And she does get in contact with other, nonreligious women that might open her eyes.
As a religious man you don't want a self confident, independent woman. You want a obedient woman that relies on you and doesn't question when you treat her badly.
I feel I need to jump in here and point out that this is a *CHILD* so everything about this is even worse. It’s not only that they’re allergic to seeing women have fun, it’s also that they are covering this poor girl up and not happy with *how* covered up she is based on *sexual* attractiveness. *Toward a literal child.* It’s so gross all around.
If I was her and read these comments, I'd just ask myself what the point is. You're wearing a hijab, but you're showing your legs? No good. Wear a hijab, cover your legs, but they can still see the "shape of your hair" (wtf?). Still no good.
You're never going to be a good enough muslim unless you completely cover and hide yourself. And even then: show the slightest bit of "wrong" emotion, you're back to being no good.
*If angels can do whatever and remain in the sky ... the rules are shades of grey when you don't do as you say, when you make the wretched suffer just to kill them again~*
^^^^^^^^^I ^^^^^^^^^see ^^^^^^^^^you, ^^^^^^^^^fellow ^^^^^^^^^Hazbin ^^^^^^^^^fan
The Prophet mohammed clearly meant female virgins. It's possible that translators before mohammed mistranslated 'crystal grapes' from eastern/orthodox christianity into virgins. Doesn't change the fact that Mohammed went into great detail about the nature of houris, and I've never heard of raisins with big boobs and transparent skin
It's an ingenious control tactic. Design the rules so that eye-conctact with 50% of the population is a sin, so that *other people's* thoughts about you are a sin *you're committing*, and bam, there's no winning. You now have everyone who takes this asinine bullshit seriously in a perpetual state of shame and guilt, for which the only solace they can find is to burrow deeper into the bullshit. It's the same reason Abrahamic religions make you feel guilty about just having a body. It's basically an unwinnable carnival game lmao.
This legit makes my blood boil. They will always find a way to put women below them. She's covering her hair? Not good enough, she must cover her whole body shape. She's dancing? She can't, she's drawing attention to herself.
I fear for the world with Islam becoming so prevalent.
Women are essentially slaves in Islam. They need to be completely covered head to toe, not given any authority, no education, not even be outside without a related chaperone, stay inside. It’s disgusting. It’s a crime against humanity.
Agreed, exactly. Islam is a sick fucking joke. Muslim "Fathers" rape their own daughters and then say it's the girl's fault for not covering up enough. What an embarrassing religion. Crime against humanity is right on.
They force their girls to stop riding bikes at age 7, and she is forced to take on a head-covering scarf... because now a 7 year old girl is apparently "sexual temptation" in the minds of their men. It's disgusting that people allow this anywhere!
Nothing in the quran or hadiths says we have no choices of our own or that we can't be educated that complete bull or that we need a chaperone to leave the house nothing from the quran or hadith says any of that the only thing you got right is that we have to cover our hair and stuff
Are you saying that millions of women Muslims are being unfairly treated by men who are using their faith as an excuse to make women their slaves, even though it’s has no basis in the Quran?
Music isnt neither is dance the rules vary salafis have a stricter view but the text itself dont say music is haram or dancing is haram or that niqab is mandatory etc
No it doesn't there is no hadith thats says music and dancing are haram you make a lot of stuff up the only issue with music in the hadith is with musical instruments which does vary with interpretation
Islam is sharia - and sharia itself is a law. A law. For Muslims to live by. Without sharia - Islam is just Judaism. Muhammed highjacked the Jew god ( you can read that he thought the Jew god was pretty bad ass.. he spent ten years trying to convert the Jews who never converted and this is what started the hate and the war against the Jews ( I think) he said he was the last messiah- the last prophet. What he didn’t know what that the messiah had to born a Jew.
The entire purpose of Islam is just a law.. for the world to live by. This law is based on two things. What Mohammed did and what he said. Since he is thought of as the most moral man that ever lived - everything he did is legal. And moral. Everything he said- is moral and perfect.
There is no gray area in Islam. If one thing is imperfect or immoral than Muhammed isn’t the messiah or prophet and therefore Islam does not exist. That’s why the punishment for questions , or doubt or even saying that Muhammed is not the prophet is death. There is no way to evolve or change the law- or say prosecute a man for marrying a six year old because the prophet did it. For example.
This is also why … there’s many incidents of honor killings- because the prophet said - if your daughter shames you? Kill her and have another.
Or female circumcision- because the prophet saw a woman who performed them and said “ she is a woman after Allahs heart “
This is also why the law for a woman covered is everything but her eyes. Which is what he said- so women don’t provoke lust with their hair.
Because that’s how the law is interpreted.
This is also why the holy books have to be read chronologically - because of the law of abrogation. Muhammed said that whatever new revelation contradicts the old ones - is the legal law- the old one that has been contradicted with new law is void and null… doesn’t count anymore. This is also why Islam is not a peaceful nice religion - because what we are left with … according to the law of abrogation is … scary, and violent and war. Basically. War on the world to convert it or murder it and take everything they own and enslave their women .
A law… which - That’s a demand, command, must do or suffer the consequences - which in Islam is mostly death. lol
We can’t just not follow a law. Or if we do- we suffer consequences. A law is the most … demanding of all commands we have to live by in society.
You make a lot of stuff up firstly there is no hadith that says kill you daughter due to shame or that a parent/family member can kill there child or family memeber for any reason thats a lie.
Secondly sharia itself can vary based on the school of thought and interpretation of certain rulings and even wuth tazir punishments like with the hijab in iran there is a tazir punishment for not wearing a hijab while in saudi arabia there isnt one anymore tazir itself is optional while punishments like hudud like the punishments the quran and hadith have set out can't be avoided like for theft and adultery etc.
No hadith says that about female circumcision in fact all the hadith that the prophet mentions it are all daif or weak besides one which abu dawud in his hadith book sunan abu dawud himself said was weak but albani a recent 20th century scholar said its sahih but three out of the four madhabs in sunni islam like hanafi, maliki, hanbali and shafi only shafi madhab requires it for women thats why its mostly common in shafi dominated areas now but the cutting differs in islam only the clitoralhood or the prepuce is cut while some say a bit of the clitoris is cut if it is to big and thats it anything else is not allowed removal of the clitoris is haram but sadly women in somalia go through the removal of the entire clitoris or they go through infibulation which is the removal of everything besides leaving two holes for pee and period blood which is haram.
Naskh is whole other topic thats not relevant those verses don't apply and in fiqh the verses and rulings are already done and dusted.
Here -
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/5000/is-music-haram
You don’t seem to trust me.
Here is the first sentence of the answer to the question “Is music haram in Islam?”
*Music, musical instruments and singing are haram in Islam*.
The second sentence;
*This prohibition is supported with evidence from the Quran and the Sunnah. For more, see the detailed answer*
Then it lists the many Hadith that say so.
Here is ONE;
And musical instruments which are of no spiritual or worldly benefit. (Tafsir al-Sa’di, 6/150)
“Idle talk” is singing. Just FYI.
Lol you gave a fatwa I can give a fatwa to which says its allowed which says the prohibition is based on the hadith about musical instruments while some say the prohibition of the hadith about musical instrument was based on if it encouraged sin and was mixed in with other haram acts mentioned in the hadith like zina and wearing silk etc
The fatwa here says musical instruments can be used if it doesn't encourage sin
https://www.dar-alifta.org/en/fatwa/details/6870/musical-instruments-in-islam
Your fatwa doesn't even say singing is haram though like you make things up you still haven't addressed why you lied before about the other so called hadith's?
Tafsir saidi isnt even a hadith its from a scholar named saidi and thats his tafsir of the quran verse about idke talks
But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path): for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty.
https://quran.com/31:6?font=v1&translations=203%2C20%2C131%2C17%2C85%2C95%2C22
Which is basically what the above fatwa says if music or sinning encourages you to sin its better to avoid it.
Again.
The law of abrogation clarifies any contradicting Hadiths.
The law of abrogation is literally *how* you determine what’s legal and what’s not in Islam.
Lmao thats not how naskh works verses tgat have been aborgated are known about and mentioned already and none of the topics you brought up does naskh apply like you barely know islam and made two hadiths up and now your playing the aborgation game and you haven't even proven your claim lol
Also- it’s hilarious that you believe that people randomly continued to circumcise females- Islam is strict. Muslims don’t do anything that’s not ok in Islam….
To think that millions of people practice this barbaric tradition for no reason and force their daughters to go through that just - randomly - is … it’s kinda bizarre.
Also honor killings.
These things are endemic in Islamic society.
For a reason. Nothing Muslims do is random. Nothing they do is against the law.
The punishments are too severe.
Do you bother to read what I wrote because clearly you didn't I addressed all ypur points and no clearly thats not the case as muslims don't often follow the religion properly you even lied and gave fake hadiths amd you have the audacity to say I am wrong lmao the fact most muslim countries dont have fgm or with honor killing cases and it only happens in select few countries with it also happens in india which is a hindu country just proves how uneducated you are in the matter.
Also I literally said the shafi madhab says female circumcision is mandatory which is cutting the clitoralhood and some say you cut the clitoris a bit if its big the removal of it is haram but people who do it often remove it its a cultural practice that predates islam and is haram besides cutting the clitoralhood which again does not effect a womens sex life.
Honor killing is clearly haram nothing in islam says its allowed murder is a crime in islam.
To take the opposite position to these freaks: why even bother wearing a hijab for modesty if Muslim men are still going to degrade you and say that you shouldn’t dance or show any part of your body
No matter how close you get to their shitty ideal woman, it’ll never be enough. Better to throw the whole belief system away.
That’s what women in Iran did they protested on the streets and took off their hijabs since all of them are forced to wear one but some of them did get killed since it’s against the law to do that. So much for religion being a good thing religion is the most evil thing to exist with evil people in it. Some Middle eastern countries are a bit more difficult in letting women do what they want but I don’t understand why American and British women are Muslim tho, that one is definitely a choice.
Couldn’t tell you. People should be free to wear what they want ofc, but it’s kind of crazy to willingly cover yourself like that in the West when there are women who are forced to do so under threat of violence.
Does childhood indoctrination really make this a choice though? Sure when you're becoming an adult you have all your freedom to choose. But at that point you might just believe in the whole scam.
That hyper modesty culture is so toxic and only creates the problem that you wanted to avoid. Like, if you live near a nudist beach the sight of sum tiddies doesn't turn you on. Now, if you live in a country where women are completely covered in black, baggy clothes, wear black gloves and have curtains over their eyes you get turned on just by seeing a square inch of naked skin.
Being turned on is the least problem. It's the mentality that women who don't follow these rules are trash and not worthy of respect. It's a systematic oppression to strip away women's autonomy.
Yes, I really agree with how you articulated this. There's a big focus on sexual repression being the core reason behind this islamic rape culture, but it's not the only thing.
You see that with (some) conservative Christians, men especially, too. They'll talk about how a woman wearing less/tighter clothing/just more body shape is causing men to stumble and 'disrespecting herself' but a lot of them also disrespect women who they view as not being 'modest enough' too - and that ranges from giving themselves permission to fantasize about them up to and including sexual assault. And then it's that 'she was asking for it'.
Same goes for Hindu conservatives. They're pretty much against normal, comfortable clothing for women. Whenever a rape case with Hindu perpetrators comes up, 9/10 it's a conservative Hindu from the BJP or another such organisation
Dancing is totally haram in Islam.
Music is totally haram in Islam.
And women’s bodies are supposed to covered everything except the eyes ( like the women in Afganistan or Saudi Arabia) ..
So this whole thing is a joke.
It’s hilarious how Muslims try to make Islam something completely different than it is. Why even be Muslims at that point? You know? Why live in a western country? Why not move to an Islamic country? It irritates the fuck outta me actually. Only because they then actively lie about what Islam is.
Those Muslims who keep complaining about western countries being not according to their expectations live in there just to poison everyone and everything with their beliefs, since it's a wet dream of every fundamentalist Muslim to conquer every piece of earth and make everybody else Muslim. They ain't leaving.
I'd like to know what moderate Muslims - or as Sam Harris would have called them: failed fundamentalists - who are certainly really nice people despite their beliefs, think about fundamentalists spreading their ideals all over the world.
Wearing the hijab is totally performative in this situation. It's like muslim men who love to gamble and drink all night while picking up girls, but they refuse to touch pork. Some imaginary, totally irrelevant if your god were actually real, line in the sand.
I am obviously not that dumb to believe that all Muslims are bad or violent.
I’m not a fan of any religion- not just one.
Islam is just the absolute worst of them all.
And I did my due diligence- it’s not like I’m just guessing. I realized I didn’t know the first thing about Islam, so I took the time , started studying it.
I know people find this hard to believe - but I would never treat a Muslim with any kind of … hate or disrespect -
Although I do feel immensely sorry for women in this religion- I think sadly I’m powerless to save them obviously- but if you’re going to be Muslim - and raise your kids like that? You probably need to move to an Islamic country because the entire point to Islam is to live by Islamic law; sharia. That’s it.
Might as well be a Jew ( gasp) if not.
I was thinking this exactly. It’s so good on the ballet company to accommodate her comfort and religion. Even if men still get their undies in a wad about her existing.
Such small changes while sticking to the uniform. Really well designed changes in my honest opinion, so it’s not nearly as noticeably different as it could’ve been.
Yeah- outside of the comments about her outfit and dancing being haram though, there were a lot of angry comments about how she is looking for attention by changing her outfit. It's just ridiculous
My family is a mix of Christian and Muslim, and you are correct- they are supposed to do that.
Clearly the ones in those comments don't practice what they preach.
Religion makes people so fucking stupid and hypocritical.
It was when I was a teen. My immediate family and many of the muslim extendeds have thankfully chilled the fuck out quite a bit, and most are barely religious anymore.
The christian half...? Yeah not so much. They're full on y'all-kay-duh kool-aid chuggers.
I feel sorry for this girl. It is true that what she is doing is technically haram, yet she is still trying to somewhat follow the rules(to some extend) while getting berated by strangers. There must be some kind of internal conflict that normally wouldn't be necessary in the first place.
I'm sure she or her family even consulted a religious leader beforehand as well on this matter. Also, depending on where she is some groups of Muslims don't have such strict rules other than to keep modesty in mind.
It's still ridiculous, don't get me wrong, but I feel like even this would have context
To be fair, it's the same stupidity in Hasidic Judaism. Women wear expensive wigs over their own hair - it's absurd! They also are covered head to toe. Why are women responsible for a man's inability to control himself?
Hate to be rude I swear but why do we normalize this religion if it is around basically hating woman? I see people get pissed if people criticize it or are super feminist and or lesbians who are Muslim.. is it changed in the hands of whoever sees it? Like their own variant of it which is just minus the gross shit? I am dumb so sorry if this is offensive, it’s just so confusing to me
There are multiple different sects of Islam just like there are different kinds of Christianity. I think some are far more tolerant than others.
Also, this girl looks young. I assume she probably has to wear the hijab but still wants to dance so this is a requirement, but it gets confusing too where Islam says dancing itself is Haram which would defeat the purpose of the hijab- Idk.
I think calling things Haram should be Haram.
I might not agree, but if something is spelled out in their scripture I can sort of understand. But half the time, it feels like it gets thrown around for anything someone disapproves of.
What if their 4 wives find attraction to their neighbour and divorces him? With their own logic, shouldnt these self proclaimed alpha males have a wrapper on their whole body too? 🤣
The romantic tutu IS a great attire for anyone though, it looks so beautiful!
(I don't even want to start on the religion/modesty discussion, they will never be happy with any changes or choices)
Again with the "be normal" shit. You really don't see any problems with what you're saying, huh. Hijab is important for a not insignificant number of women, whether you like it or not. Banning hijab or saying people shouldn't cover their heads at all isn't doing good by women despite what you seem to believe. Women should get to choose what they wear. And if they choose hijab, they shouldn't be pressured to "be normal". This isn't an either or issue.
I'm leaving this sub jfc. At this point the title and description of this sub are false advertising. It's not just making fun of people who take religion way too far or who use religion as an excuse for bigotry, or even bringing attention to the many problems of organised religion, it's making fun of religious people in general.
A lot of you are bullies. The type of people to side-eye or harass a random muslim person at the supermarket. Actual islamaphobes. News flash: religion isn't going anywhere. And religious people aren't automatically evil or brainwashed for being religious.
Thank you, this is so true. My Muslim friend converted for her own reasons, and she gets to define her relationship to her faith, not any man. Those who call to ban hijab are no better than the countries that enforce it.
this sub does have some trouble with seperating relegion itself from the relegious person, this absolutely does *not* excuse the people commenting on the oop
My point with this post was to call out the people in the comments, not the girl. I have no problem with the hijab as long as it is up to the girl to wear it.
Unpopular opinion but this is why I would NEVER support the whole hijab/burqa being a personal choice narrative.
No, I won't support you choosing to enslave yourself with tools that were designed to control you in the first place.
If you find freedom in shackles, I won't be supporting it because "that's what feminists should do." Call me a bad feminist for all I care.
How the f*** do you people live like, I don't understand you spend all of your energy and time on this Earth that God gave u to use it and act like you're God himself and tell every girl and woman what they should and shouldn't do go f*** yourself with the cactus please and leave people the f*** alone shut the f****** no one ask you!
I thought head coverings in religion were more about humility because the top of the head is your connection with God. Whereas something like a burka is more about modesty. Seems she's still concerned with the spiritual but not the male imposed nonsense to me.
Those people are on tiktok where the majority of women do not wear a hijab. Do they just look away when a woman comes on their FYP? Of course not. « Rules for thee but not for me » 🥸☝️
Excuse me, I see you’re wearing a cross necklace while driving an $80,000 car with a “protect the unborn” bumper sticker to a private Pilates class, don’t you know you can’t love and serve both God and money?
I work in downtown NYC near the 9/11 memorial, and recently I saw what I assume were tourists. The two women were in full burkas and the man was dressed in regular Western clothing. Every time I see this, I want to walk up to the guy and say something like, "Have you no self-respect? Showing off your body like that. I can see your ankles, I can see your face, I can see the shape of your body -- are you so desperate for men to fuck you in your mouth and asshole that you dress so revealingly in public, are you a male prostitute? Everyone can see everything, you man-whore. You bring shame upon your family with your flagrantly flirtatious and sexual appearance!" It's not my style to accost people, but I would like them to feel a little of the bullshit they peddle about women and "modesty", see how they like it...
articles of interest did a really interesting podcast episode about modest dressing and had some really great information about the actual text that people strangely interpreted as instructions to cover hair. highly recommend listening-no fruitcakery.
Honestly, it sounds like what's "haram" is:
Joy, self-expression, authenticity, fun.
Good grief, isn't growing up a girl hard enough without a side helping of religious oppression?
That poor kid.
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It's like they're allergic to seeing a woman having fun
Honestly. I saw similar comments on a video of a hijabi who does taekwondo. They called her an abomination, and said all kinds of disgusting things about how she'll undoubtedly disobey her husband. I remember one comment distinctly saying something about how no man will want a woman like her who could fight off her husband. It's honestly disgusting.
Oh god, that’s another level of gross. That’s such rape-y bullshit to say. Why would she need to fight you off, buddy? What are you saying about yourself? I say that, but I feel like a lot of the rhetoric I’ve heard from people who’d say that kind of stuff is just being openly excited to rape women.
They really don't think like that. That's my biggest problem with islam. It just completely inverts most modern values and morals people have. Which means that whatever 'logical' criticism we make, they won't find it logical at all.
Rape is when you have consensual sex before marriage. Non con forced sex is fine as long as the woman is under your ownership and is branded by your family name.
They are scared of a strong woman who may kick their ass... That is why.
The fact that a man would even be angry his wife could defend herself is disgusting
It's bizarre. I mean, my wife knows where we keep the kitchen knives. She knows where I sleep. She doesn't need taekwondo if she wants to do some damage. What keeps me alive? I'm not a dick to her.
This. My dad raised his hand to my mom exactly once. She told him that he might be able to hit her, as he's bigger and stronger than her, but he better never fall asleep ever again, because she would happily cut his dick off while he slept.
You're onto something. A woman that is having fun doesn't need a man. And she does get in contact with other, nonreligious women that might open her eyes. As a religious man you don't want a self confident, independent woman. You want a obedient woman that relies on you and doesn't question when you treat her badly.
I feel I need to jump in here and point out that this is a *CHILD* so everything about this is even worse. It’s not only that they’re allergic to seeing women have fun, it’s also that they are covering this poor girl up and not happy with *how* covered up she is based on *sexual* attractiveness. *Toward a literal child.* It’s so gross all around.
that's even worse omg 😭 I feel so sorry for this poor girl
If I was her and read these comments, I'd just ask myself what the point is. You're wearing a hijab, but you're showing your legs? No good. Wear a hijab, cover your legs, but they can still see the "shape of your hair" (wtf?). Still no good. You're never going to be a good enough muslim unless you completely cover and hide yourself. And even then: show the slightest bit of "wrong" emotion, you're back to being no good.
I think this is the point. Muslims think that majority of people in hell are women. Well obviously, because they make so many rules to control them.
They also think that the women who do make it to heaven are assigned to a harem for some random dude’s pleasure
If that’s the case if I was a Muslim woman I’d rather go to hell
Me too and if Hell is forever then heaven must be a lie
*If angels can do whatever and remain in the sky ... the rules are shades of grey when you don't do as you say, when you make the wretched suffer just to kill them again~* ^^^^^^^^^I ^^^^^^^^^see ^^^^^^^^^you, ^^^^^^^^^fellow ^^^^^^^^^Hazbin ^^^^^^^^^fan
That verse about 72 virgins is actually mistranslated. It’s really white raisins…lol
The Prophet mohammed clearly meant female virgins. It's possible that translators before mohammed mistranslated 'crystal grapes' from eastern/orthodox christianity into virgins. Doesn't change the fact that Mohammed went into great detail about the nature of houris, and I've never heard of raisins with big boobs and transparent skin
Thats not true lol
You joke but I think they legit have a thing that says that. Too lazy to look it up bit I definitely came across that a while ago.
It's an ingenious control tactic. Design the rules so that eye-conctact with 50% of the population is a sin, so that *other people's* thoughts about you are a sin *you're committing*, and bam, there's no winning. You now have everyone who takes this asinine bullshit seriously in a perpetual state of shame and guilt, for which the only solace they can find is to burrow deeper into the bullshit. It's the same reason Abrahamic religions make you feel guilty about just having a body. It's basically an unwinnable carnival game lmao.
Oh I didn't know it was just dancing that wasn't allowed, and then disgusting comments.
Disgusting comments are apparently halal.
https://preview.redd.it/hzvwmkx5215d1.png?width=853&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9fcbd7749b265b466e527f839138b484fa4d3536
Women only exist to breed and cook in Islam. Everything else is Haram apparently😭
*and clean. They have to clean, and it must be good cleaning.
Also in some sects of Christianity
Sure, but the topic here is Islam.
I know, I was just brought another þing on the pile
Dancing is forbidden - Master Shake
Isn’t music as well?
These people are so miserable! Religion of peace my ass.
This legit makes my blood boil. They will always find a way to put women below them. She's covering her hair? Not good enough, she must cover her whole body shape. She's dancing? She can't, she's drawing attention to herself. I fear for the world with Islam becoming so prevalent.
Women are essentially slaves in Islam. They need to be completely covered head to toe, not given any authority, no education, not even be outside without a related chaperone, stay inside. It’s disgusting. It’s a crime against humanity.
The comments forgot to command her having a chaperone next to her while she dances.
It's insane that women actually convert to this vile and disgusting religion.
I only ever see them do it if they fall in love with a Muslim man. Love does strange things...
Agreed, exactly. Islam is a sick fucking joke. Muslim "Fathers" rape their own daughters and then say it's the girl's fault for not covering up enough. What an embarrassing religion. Crime against humanity is right on.
They force their girls to stop riding bikes at age 7, and she is forced to take on a head-covering scarf... because now a 7 year old girl is apparently "sexual temptation" in the minds of their men. It's disgusting that people allow this anywhere!
What?! I didn't know that. Wtf?? Yeah, it most definitely is disgusting, and shouldn't be allowed anywhere. Fucking 7 ffs..
Nothing in the quran or hadiths says we have no choices of our own or that we can't be educated that complete bull or that we need a chaperone to leave the house nothing from the quran or hadith says any of that the only thing you got right is that we have to cover our hair and stuff
Are you saying that millions of women Muslims are being unfairly treated by men who are using their faith as an excuse to make women their slaves, even though it’s has no basis in the Quran?
Yes sadly the culture in these countries is toxic and it needs to change there is no verse or hadith that allows that behaviour
Music, dance and women’s bodies showing any part except the eyes is illegal in Islam. So this whole thing is a joke.
And singing! Shouldn’t sing for non mahrams either.
Music isnt neither is dance the rules vary salafis have a stricter view but the text itself dont say music is haram or dancing is haram or that niqab is mandatory etc
Yes it does. Many times.
No it doesn't there is no hadith thats says music and dancing are haram you make a lot of stuff up the only issue with music in the hadith is with musical instruments which does vary with interpretation
Islam is sharia - and sharia itself is a law. A law. For Muslims to live by. Without sharia - Islam is just Judaism. Muhammed highjacked the Jew god ( you can read that he thought the Jew god was pretty bad ass.. he spent ten years trying to convert the Jews who never converted and this is what started the hate and the war against the Jews ( I think) he said he was the last messiah- the last prophet. What he didn’t know what that the messiah had to born a Jew. The entire purpose of Islam is just a law.. for the world to live by. This law is based on two things. What Mohammed did and what he said. Since he is thought of as the most moral man that ever lived - everything he did is legal. And moral. Everything he said- is moral and perfect. There is no gray area in Islam. If one thing is imperfect or immoral than Muhammed isn’t the messiah or prophet and therefore Islam does not exist. That’s why the punishment for questions , or doubt or even saying that Muhammed is not the prophet is death. There is no way to evolve or change the law- or say prosecute a man for marrying a six year old because the prophet did it. For example. This is also why … there’s many incidents of honor killings- because the prophet said - if your daughter shames you? Kill her and have another. Or female circumcision- because the prophet saw a woman who performed them and said “ she is a woman after Allahs heart “ This is also why the law for a woman covered is everything but her eyes. Which is what he said- so women don’t provoke lust with their hair. Because that’s how the law is interpreted. This is also why the holy books have to be read chronologically - because of the law of abrogation. Muhammed said that whatever new revelation contradicts the old ones - is the legal law- the old one that has been contradicted with new law is void and null… doesn’t count anymore. This is also why Islam is not a peaceful nice religion - because what we are left with … according to the law of abrogation is … scary, and violent and war. Basically. War on the world to convert it or murder it and take everything they own and enslave their women . A law… which - That’s a demand, command, must do or suffer the consequences - which in Islam is mostly death. lol We can’t just not follow a law. Or if we do- we suffer consequences. A law is the most … demanding of all commands we have to live by in society.
You make a lot of stuff up firstly there is no hadith that says kill you daughter due to shame or that a parent/family member can kill there child or family memeber for any reason thats a lie. Secondly sharia itself can vary based on the school of thought and interpretation of certain rulings and even wuth tazir punishments like with the hijab in iran there is a tazir punishment for not wearing a hijab while in saudi arabia there isnt one anymore tazir itself is optional while punishments like hudud like the punishments the quran and hadith have set out can't be avoided like for theft and adultery etc. No hadith says that about female circumcision in fact all the hadith that the prophet mentions it are all daif or weak besides one which abu dawud in his hadith book sunan abu dawud himself said was weak but albani a recent 20th century scholar said its sahih but three out of the four madhabs in sunni islam like hanafi, maliki, hanbali and shafi only shafi madhab requires it for women thats why its mostly common in shafi dominated areas now but the cutting differs in islam only the clitoralhood or the prepuce is cut while some say a bit of the clitoris is cut if it is to big and thats it anything else is not allowed removal of the clitoris is haram but sadly women in somalia go through the removal of the entire clitoris or they go through infibulation which is the removal of everything besides leaving two holes for pee and period blood which is haram. Naskh is whole other topic thats not relevant those verses don't apply and in fiqh the verses and rulings are already done and dusted.
Here - https://islamqa.info/en/answers/5000/is-music-haram You don’t seem to trust me. Here is the first sentence of the answer to the question “Is music haram in Islam?” *Music, musical instruments and singing are haram in Islam*. The second sentence; *This prohibition is supported with evidence from the Quran and the Sunnah. For more, see the detailed answer* Then it lists the many Hadith that say so. Here is ONE; And musical instruments which are of no spiritual or worldly benefit. (Tafsir al-Sa’di, 6/150) “Idle talk” is singing. Just FYI.
Lol you gave a fatwa I can give a fatwa to which says its allowed which says the prohibition is based on the hadith about musical instruments while some say the prohibition of the hadith about musical instrument was based on if it encouraged sin and was mixed in with other haram acts mentioned in the hadith like zina and wearing silk etc The fatwa here says musical instruments can be used if it doesn't encourage sin https://www.dar-alifta.org/en/fatwa/details/6870/musical-instruments-in-islam Your fatwa doesn't even say singing is haram though like you make things up you still haven't addressed why you lied before about the other so called hadith's? Tafsir saidi isnt even a hadith its from a scholar named saidi and thats his tafsir of the quran verse about idke talks But there are, among men, those who purchase idle tales, without knowledge (or meaning), to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah and throw ridicule (on the Path): for such there will be a Humiliating Penalty. https://quran.com/31:6?font=v1&translations=203%2C20%2C131%2C17%2C85%2C95%2C22 Which is basically what the above fatwa says if music or sinning encourages you to sin its better to avoid it.
Again. The law of abrogation clarifies any contradicting Hadiths. The law of abrogation is literally *how* you determine what’s legal and what’s not in Islam.
Lmao thats not how naskh works verses tgat have been aborgated are known about and mentioned already and none of the topics you brought up does naskh apply like you barely know islam and made two hadiths up and now your playing the aborgation game and you haven't even proven your claim lol
Also- it’s hilarious that you believe that people randomly continued to circumcise females- Islam is strict. Muslims don’t do anything that’s not ok in Islam…. To think that millions of people practice this barbaric tradition for no reason and force their daughters to go through that just - randomly - is … it’s kinda bizarre. Also honor killings. These things are endemic in Islamic society. For a reason. Nothing Muslims do is random. Nothing they do is against the law. The punishments are too severe.
Do you bother to read what I wrote because clearly you didn't I addressed all ypur points and no clearly thats not the case as muslims don't often follow the religion properly you even lied and gave fake hadiths amd you have the audacity to say I am wrong lmao the fact most muslim countries dont have fgm or with honor killing cases and it only happens in select few countries with it also happens in india which is a hindu country just proves how uneducated you are in the matter. Also I literally said the shafi madhab says female circumcision is mandatory which is cutting the clitoralhood and some say you cut the clitoris a bit if its big the removal of it is haram but people who do it often remove it its a cultural practice that predates islam and is haram besides cutting the clitoralhood which again does not effect a womens sex life. Honor killing is clearly haram nothing in islam says its allowed murder is a crime in islam.
religion of piss
Region of piss
To take the opposite position to these freaks: why even bother wearing a hijab for modesty if Muslim men are still going to degrade you and say that you shouldn’t dance or show any part of your body No matter how close you get to their shitty ideal woman, it’ll never be enough. Better to throw the whole belief system away.
I'm starting to believe that they don't actually have an ideal woman, they just hate women and want to make it impossible for them to live
They do have an ideal woman. She’s 7 and there’s 72 of them in the afterlife.
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... that they can use for sex anytime they want.
That’s what women in Iran did they protested on the streets and took off their hijabs since all of them are forced to wear one but some of them did get killed since it’s against the law to do that. So much for religion being a good thing religion is the most evil thing to exist with evil people in it. Some Middle eastern countries are a bit more difficult in letting women do what they want but I don’t understand why American and British women are Muslim tho, that one is definitely a choice.
Couldn’t tell you. People should be free to wear what they want ofc, but it’s kind of crazy to willingly cover yourself like that in the West when there are women who are forced to do so under threat of violence.
Agreed
Does childhood indoctrination really make this a choice though? Sure when you're becoming an adult you have all your freedom to choose. But at that point you might just believe in the whole scam.
You don't have to believe. It's enough that you feel uncomfortable without hijab because you are so used to wearing it.
Oh yeah and I'm not even talking about wanting to not get shunned from the community you lived your whole life in.
That hyper modesty culture is so toxic and only creates the problem that you wanted to avoid. Like, if you live near a nudist beach the sight of sum tiddies doesn't turn you on. Now, if you live in a country where women are completely covered in black, baggy clothes, wear black gloves and have curtains over their eyes you get turned on just by seeing a square inch of naked skin.
Being turned on is the least problem. It's the mentality that women who don't follow these rules are trash and not worthy of respect. It's a systematic oppression to strip away women's autonomy.
Yes, I really agree with how you articulated this. There's a big focus on sexual repression being the core reason behind this islamic rape culture, but it's not the only thing.
You see that with (some) conservative Christians, men especially, too. They'll talk about how a woman wearing less/tighter clothing/just more body shape is causing men to stumble and 'disrespecting herself' but a lot of them also disrespect women who they view as not being 'modest enough' too - and that ranges from giving themselves permission to fantasize about them up to and including sexual assault. And then it's that 'she was asking for it'.
Same goes for Hindu conservatives. They're pretty much against normal, comfortable clothing for women. Whenever a rape case with Hindu perpetrators comes up, 9/10 it's a conservative Hindu from the BJP or another such organisation
At that point, simply to not die or be abused if they're living in a Muslim country. Outside of Muslim country? Brainwash.
She's 9? Oh then why isn't she married? Lol fuckin stone age cavemen
Still called her cute even after she’s covering her entire fucking body…… they’re violating the rules that they’re trying to enforce
Still the woman's fault, in their eyes. Control is all that matters to them.
Muslims do a great job in radicalizing people like me to just fucking hate them with a passion.
Hating islam with a passion just makes you a normal human being
Dancing is totally haram in Islam. Music is totally haram in Islam. And women’s bodies are supposed to covered everything except the eyes ( like the women in Afganistan or Saudi Arabia) .. So this whole thing is a joke. It’s hilarious how Muslims try to make Islam something completely different than it is. Why even be Muslims at that point? You know? Why live in a western country? Why not move to an Islamic country? It irritates the fuck outta me actually. Only because they then actively lie about what Islam is.
Those Muslims who keep complaining about western countries being not according to their expectations live in there just to poison everyone and everything with their beliefs, since it's a wet dream of every fundamentalist Muslim to conquer every piece of earth and make everybody else Muslim. They ain't leaving. I'd like to know what moderate Muslims - or as Sam Harris would have called them: failed fundamentalists - who are certainly really nice people despite their beliefs, think about fundamentalists spreading their ideals all over the world.
Moderates support this bullshit because of fear. Either they’ll lose their lives or their “community”.
Wearing the hijab is totally performative in this situation. It's like muslim men who love to gamble and drink all night while picking up girls, but they refuse to touch pork. Some imaginary, totally irrelevant if your god were actually real, line in the sand.
They’re super peaceful and you’re being so slamophobic rn by asking them to be normal humans instead of degenerates
I am obviously not that dumb to believe that all Muslims are bad or violent. I’m not a fan of any religion- not just one. Islam is just the absolute worst of them all. And I did my due diligence- it’s not like I’m just guessing. I realized I didn’t know the first thing about Islam, so I took the time , started studying it. I know people find this hard to believe - but I would never treat a Muslim with any kind of … hate or disrespect - Although I do feel immensely sorry for women in this religion- I think sadly I’m powerless to save them obviously- but if you’re going to be Muslim - and raise your kids like that? You probably need to move to an Islamic country because the entire point to Islam is to live by Islamic law; sharia. That’s it. Might as well be a Jew ( gasp) if not.
What sad little lives these people live.
Good on the ballet company for acomadating her with a slightly different style skirt while still matching the “regular” outfit
I was thinking this exactly. It’s so good on the ballet company to accommodate her comfort and religion. Even if men still get their undies in a wad about her existing. Such small changes while sticking to the uniform. Really well designed changes in my honest opinion, so it’s not nearly as noticeably different as it could’ve been.
Yeah- outside of the comments about her outfit and dancing being haram though, there were a lot of angry comments about how she is looking for attention by changing her outfit. It's just ridiculous
They’re all trying to out-repress each other.
"OMG I can see the *shape* of her legs, I'm gonna nut!"
Absolute virus on humanity
Why these dumb men just cover their own eyes?
I'm pretty sure their own religion encourages men to lower their gaze too
My family is a mix of Christian and Muslim, and you are correct- they are supposed to do that. Clearly the ones in those comments don't practice what they preach. Religion makes people so fucking stupid and hypocritical.
>My family is a mix of Christians and Muslims No offence to your family but it must be like hell living with them yk
It was when I was a teen. My immediate family and many of the muslim extendeds have thankfully chilled the fuck out quite a bit, and most are barely religious anymore. The christian half...? Yeah not so much. They're full on y'all-kay-duh kool-aid chuggers.
Muslim men are the problem here. They should just wear sacks over their heads, so they can't see women.
Haram = when women have hobbies/when women are having fun.
Haram = when women ~~have hobbies/when women are having fun.~~
I feel sorry for this girl. It is true that what she is doing is technically haram, yet she is still trying to somewhat follow the rules(to some extend) while getting berated by strangers. There must be some kind of internal conflict that normally wouldn't be necessary in the first place.
I'm sure she or her family even consulted a religious leader beforehand as well on this matter. Also, depending on where she is some groups of Muslims don't have such strict rules other than to keep modesty in mind. It's still ridiculous, don't get me wrong, but I feel like even this would have context
https://preview.redd.it/jarj8be3215d1.png?width=853&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=efab1692dc85b48225906901e25ca65163653fe5
No fun allowed religion.
"NOOOO YOU CANT DO WHAT YOU WANT, but man is she cute haha " so creepy
She looks beautiful, I hope she's having fun 💕
"flesh coloured". Only religious people use the word "flesh" when talking about skin lol
Damn these fucks must be miserable.
Muslims when women have the slightest bit of fun:
As an ex Muslim I didn’t even need to read the comments , I already knew what they were going to say.
progressive view women …/s
So many choices like what being inside unless a man chaperones her when she is in public view?
Islam is the religion on incels.
Why do Muslims hate women so so much?
"Detract men's sexual gaze" in a comment talking about a child is disgusting.
"isn't it Haram for women to dance" Bro wtf. If your "religion" doesn't allow people to dance it's a fucked up one with fucked up priorities.
God forbid someone glances in her direction and acknowledges she exists.
To be fair, it's the same stupidity in Hasidic Judaism. Women wear expensive wigs over their own hair - it's absurd! They also are covered head to toe. Why are women responsible for a man's inability to control himself?
"That is not permissible" That last dude is just the decision maker for all Muslims, eh?
Hate to be rude I swear but why do we normalize this religion if it is around basically hating woman? I see people get pissed if people criticize it or are super feminist and or lesbians who are Muslim.. is it changed in the hands of whoever sees it? Like their own variant of it which is just minus the gross shit? I am dumb so sorry if this is offensive, it’s just so confusing to me
There are multiple different sects of Islam just like there are different kinds of Christianity. I think some are far more tolerant than others. Also, this girl looks young. I assume she probably has to wear the hijab but still wants to dance so this is a requirement, but it gets confusing too where Islam says dancing itself is Haram which would defeat the purpose of the hijab- Idk.
She's so beautiful too ☹️ what is her name?
Not sure, this was a repost
Me and a friend argued about deviled eggs for an hour one time. But these fuckers are beyond help.
That's a valid argument!
As a non-Muslim, I would like to declare this as completely halal. We can all go home now everyone. You’re welcome. /j
I think calling things Haram should be Haram. I might not agree, but if something is spelled out in their scripture I can sort of understand. But half the time, it feels like it gets thrown around for anything someone disapproves of.
"I don't make the rules. Why follow one rule but not the other?" They presumably say having eaten shellfish and wearing blended fabrics
How do non Muslim people still not understand that a hijab is a head scarf and a burka is the covering head to toe w/only an open space for eyes 🙄🙄🙄
It’s a whole Abrahamic bonanza in there.
Religion is trash. I’m tired of pretending otherwise.
What if their 4 wives find attraction to their neighbour and divorces him? With their own logic, shouldnt these self proclaimed alpha males have a wrapper on their whole body too? 🤣
Well if she cheats then she's an abomination and needs to be stoned according to them
Imagine living your life, with this sort of bullshit running through your fucking head Day after day
She would get negative feedback anyway. She should have get rid of her hijab and be a normal person doing ballet
How dare she do anything that makes anyone look at her ever /sarcasm
Fuck you for posting this, seeing this ruined my Friday
Genuine question, so is any kind of art haram in Islam? Man that life is sad af
There’s just no pleasing these fuckers. They’re just intent on hating.
Aw, she looks so adorable. 😊
I don’t understand the point of covering through a religious sense.
Blaming women for some men being freaks, that's the point
The men are the issue. (I'm a man, BTW)
The romantic tutu IS a great attire for anyone though, it looks so beautiful! (I don't even want to start on the religion/modesty discussion, they will never be happy with any changes or choices)
Again with the "be normal" shit. You really don't see any problems with what you're saying, huh. Hijab is important for a not insignificant number of women, whether you like it or not. Banning hijab or saying people shouldn't cover their heads at all isn't doing good by women despite what you seem to believe. Women should get to choose what they wear. And if they choose hijab, they shouldn't be pressured to "be normal". This isn't an either or issue. I'm leaving this sub jfc. At this point the title and description of this sub are false advertising. It's not just making fun of people who take religion way too far or who use religion as an excuse for bigotry, or even bringing attention to the many problems of organised religion, it's making fun of religious people in general. A lot of you are bullies. The type of people to side-eye or harass a random muslim person at the supermarket. Actual islamaphobes. News flash: religion isn't going anywhere. And religious people aren't automatically evil or brainwashed for being religious.
Thank you, this is so true. My Muslim friend converted for her own reasons, and she gets to define her relationship to her faith, not any man. Those who call to ban hijab are no better than the countries that enforce it.
this sub does have some trouble with seperating relegion itself from the relegious person, this absolutely does *not* excuse the people commenting on the oop
My point with this post was to call out the people in the comments, not the girl. I have no problem with the hijab as long as it is up to the girl to wear it.
Sorry, this was in response to someone else
Unpopular opinion but this is why I would NEVER support the whole hijab/burqa being a personal choice narrative. No, I won't support you choosing to enslave yourself with tools that were designed to control you in the first place. If you find freedom in shackles, I won't be supporting it because "that's what feminists should do." Call me a bad feminist for all I care.
What an absolutely exhausting religion.
How the f*** do you people live like, I don't understand you spend all of your energy and time on this Earth that God gave u to use it and act like you're God himself and tell every girl and woman what they should and shouldn't do go f*** yourself with the cactus please and leave people the f*** alone shut the f****** no one ask you!
Recently learned many consider listening to music to be haram. Just sad
Religion will be the end of this world
Honestly, keep these comments coming. It just drives the point home that women can never do right unless they dress like a nazgul.
I thought head coverings in religion were more about humility because the top of the head is your connection with God. Whereas something like a burka is more about modesty. Seems she's still concerned with the spiritual but not the male imposed nonsense to me.
these jerks are jealous they can't dance as good as her ahaha
Those people are on tiktok where the majority of women do not wear a hijab. Do they just look away when a woman comes on their FYP? Of course not. « Rules for thee but not for me » 🥸☝️
Great point!
She looks so cute! Beautiful dress!
"As a non-muslim/as an atheist shouldn't she..." of all people Those should know to fuckig can it
literally living in 12 BC
So guys, when’s the stoning?
As I’m not Muslim I may be completely wrong but I was under the impression that it’s up to the person to determine what hijab means to them.
How very dare this human be human shaped
Excuse me, I see you’re wearing a cross necklace while driving an $80,000 car with a “protect the unborn” bumper sticker to a private Pilates class, don’t you know you can’t love and serve both God and money?
What a bunch of absolute killjoys.
What a bunch of insecure losers. Her dress is absolutely beautiful and so is she.
fucking disgusting
The guys should wear blinkers. Problem solved
Given that the cognitive dissonance usually requires mental gymnastics and a tap dance, you'd think they would allow it
Is that swimwear?
It’s haram to dance. Lmfao.
I work in downtown NYC near the 9/11 memorial, and recently I saw what I assume were tourists. The two women were in full burkas and the man was dressed in regular Western clothing. Every time I see this, I want to walk up to the guy and say something like, "Have you no self-respect? Showing off your body like that. I can see your ankles, I can see your face, I can see the shape of your body -- are you so desperate for men to fuck you in your mouth and asshole that you dress so revealingly in public, are you a male prostitute? Everyone can see everything, you man-whore. You bring shame upon your family with your flagrantly flirtatious and sexual appearance!" It's not my style to accost people, but I would like them to feel a little of the bullshit they peddle about women and "modesty", see how they like it...
articles of interest did a really interesting podcast episode about modest dressing and had some really great information about the actual text that people strangely interpreted as instructions to cover hair. highly recommend listening-no fruitcakery.
Literally all these rules are fake just let people wear the clothing they want
Women and girls like him will defeat this plague but it will take time. Go girl 🎉
Honestly, it sounds like what's "haram" is: Joy, self-expression, authenticity, fun. Good grief, isn't growing up a girl hard enough without a side helping of religious oppression? That poor kid.
What a sad bunch of boring, angry men that are so afraid of women, they rather see a black hole than a person.
Women’s body is haram
stuff like this makes me thankful that I'm not born in a Muslim household
This sounds like something people would say 400 years ago. Not in the 21st century, holy shit
it's actually extremely haram to try to dictate how other follow and interpret those rules, the official stance is MIND YOUR BUSINESS
Maybe they should pray harder to keep their ‘sexual gaze’ in check
These men are WEAK AF!! Learn some self control already.
It l9oks all deformed because that thing is pressing against her head and cheeks. It's like she is wearing a speedo to jump into the water.