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Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Egypt, Sudan, Somalia...the list goes on. All places where Muslims will gladly murder anyone who leaves Islam, criticizes it, or promotes other faiths.
Honestly they do not deserve to be called the religion of peace at all. Even Christians from today and back like 200 years ago are more peaceful than they are right now. Like there are plenty of other religions that are far more peaceful than Islam
I'm very left leaning and also an atheist. Fuck religion it's all horseshit, but fuck islam in particular. It's the most archaic, misogynistic, and violent religion that exists today.
I've said that I am actually Islamophobic because I'm actually scared of that religion, especially the ardent followers. Especially as a woman. So it doesn't bother me when someone calls me that because I actually am afraid of Islam. Hell, as an ex-Christian, I'm afraid of the extremely devout and death-culty Christians, but no one seems to care about "Christianophobes".
When I was a child, my mother was engaged to a man (in the States) who was from Saudi Arabia. He wasn't a practicing Muslim and my mother and we were Baptist. It was all well and good. And then he revealed that when they get married, he expected us to move to Saudi Arabia and for us to convert to Islam and she promptly ended the engagement. It was like he was playing the long game. He was never "none-practicing"; he just let her believe he was. And there was no way in hell my mother was going to let me grow up in that country. She said my brother might do alright, but I sure as hell won't. My brother also said "hell no".
I'm glad your mom snapped to her senses. You could've ended up like this kid. https://charleyproject.org/case/machael-heidi-al-omary
She's still there, completely converted and willing to die for it.
https://www.newenglishreview.org/articles/an-american-child-kidnapped-in-accordance-with-shariah/
Holy *shit*. I am more grateful than ever now, because of all awful things that I expected to happen to me, I didn't expect that was one possibility. I'm so grateful that my mother didn't actually marry him. His name was Saad and from what I remember, he was super kind and acted like a wonderful father-figure. Until they got engaged and he started implementing all these rules she had to follow and I genuinely don't know what he was thinking as my mother is a very independent woman who has no issues speaking her mind and went through hell leaving her ex-husband (refuse to call him my "father").
I should call her and thank her again.
Damn why do the most controlling men always go for the most independent women. I guess it some weird as fetish for them but honestly guys like that suck ass
Don't know, but she has a lot of fun putting those kinds of men in their place.
One fun story I have is about my aunt - her sister. Her husband is a controlling asshole and very, *very* fundigelical Russian Baptist (we're from the Soviet Union, and if you know anything about it, Baptism was very persecuted and both my grandparents were in prison for it, as were a lot of Baptists, which gave them a certain prevailing persecuted self-righteousness) and controls his wife with an iron fist, making her have as many children as she could (until she secretly asked her doctor to give her a hysterectomy and tell my uncle it was necessary after her 10th). He doesn't let her have a driver's license, makes her wear a kasynka (a type of head covering worn by Russian Baptist women), never allowing her or his daughters wear anything other than skirts, no jewelry, makeup, etc. Anyway, just a controlling ass.
When she came to visit my mom and he obviously came with (because god forbid she goes anywhere alone), my mother wanted to take her to a museum or something and started going to her car. But he went ahead of her, went to the driver's seat, demanded she hand him the keys, and that they both sit in the back seat! My mother looked at him like he was crazy and laughed in his face. She shoved him out of the way and got in the driver's seat, and he got quite mad. That wasn't it, though. He started going to the front seat and when he tried to open the door, she locked it and said, "no, that seat is for my sister; you sit in the back." He was *fuming*. He tried to argue and she told him he was more than welcome to stay at home. He reluctantly - *very* reluctantly - got into the back seat and complained the entire way. She turned up the volume in the back to drown him out and just talked to her sister, lol.
Love that.
The same reason women seek assholes (incel alert!)
They want to "fix" them. These type of weak men see independent women, women who have spent their lifetimes building up their agency and autonomy, as broken and misguided. They should be brood mares and quiet little servants who are seen but not heard.
> When I was a child, my mother was engaged to a man (in the States) who was from Saudi Arabia. He wasn't a practicing Muslim and my mother and we were Baptist. It was all well and good. And then he revealed that when they get married, he expected us to move to Saudi Arabia and for us to convert to Islam and she promptly ended the engagement.
There's a movie you should watch, starring Doctor Octopus called "Not Without My Daughter".
Communism is also shit, and out of all the communist countries fuck Russia in particular.
Edit: Should have said Soviet Union. I don't know how to explain what kind of weird capitalistic hellscape dictatorship Russia is now.
It’s like they took only the worst qualities of czarist Russia, combined them with only the worst qualities of Communist Russia, and added in a heaping pile of Russian nationalism which rivals Nazi Germany in its brutality and complete lack of respect for human life. Then add in an internal caste system that discriminates against all non genetically Russian citizens, even tho they are routinely not as bright as some of their minorities (such as Ukrainians), a perpetually horrible economy, and a massively corrupt government, state church, and business environment. Then make everyone in the entire country lazy as fuck. Oh! And make the weather perpetually shitty.
And there you have modern day Russia.
It’s like they are actively trying to create the worst country possible.
I fully agree with you. Pieces of shit will always hijack a good cause. Good thing Artificial Superintelligence is coming!
Think Rehoboam from westworld.
I think even in the best case scenario, a benevolent AI will start looking at the dead as a viable food source. Long pig is back on the menu ladies and gents!
Im very left leaning and I absolutely despise religion and that includes Islam. One of the worst. Im not worried about being called racist because Islam and Christianity are to races.
Not only is that stupid due to how diverse the global Islamic population is, that sentiment could be considered racist in itself. It’s patronizing culturally relativistic bullshit downplaying bad behaviour with “it’s just their culture”.
Christian missionaries have been around for a long time and still are to this day. Historically they would convert both through proselytizing, subterfuge and also just the straight threat of force of just force. These days it’s more the former two and it happens less than it used to as religiosity has decreased in the christian world.
So we don’t have to imagine, just look up any of the myriad of missionary youtube channels that document their trips to third world countries.
I had a girlfriend in college who went on several missions to south america to spread christianity.
I remember she was sort of clueless about the local populations being Christians already and for about 500 years. Just the wrong sort of christians according to her preacher. Just got angry when this was pointed out. Like a good christian, lol.
Religion really fucks with people's heads.
Must disagree here. Crusades had never the goal of converting islamic lands or its people to Christianity.
It had the primary goal of liberating Jerusalem.
As a secondary goal came along the plunder and enrichment. But you saw even quite frequently Christian and muslims side by side engaging one 1nd other, depending of their own local interest.
Its not so black and white. But they never had tye intend for mass conversion.
That became rather a thing during the era of colonisations, centuries after the cruisades
> Crusades had never the goal of converting islamic lands or its people to Christianity.
> It had the primary goal of liberating Jerusalem.
"Theyre the same picture"
its absolutely not the same thing, by the time of the first cruisade, jerusalem was inhabited by jews,muslims and christians. and pretty much everyone was put down to the sword when the cruisaders conquered it.
also the crusaders took their time ( 2 years) to just stroll around the levant territory before actually assault jerusalem ( wich could be done in weeks if they wanted to) pure for greed and spoils, and no converting was going on...
because that was never their goal
>because that was never their goal
>>It had the primary goal of liberating Jerusalem.
["The Crusades were organized by western European Christians after centuries of Muslim wars of expansion. Their primary objectives were to stop the expansion of Muslim states, to reclaim for Christianity the Holy Land in the Middle East, and to recapture territories that had formerly been Christian."](https://www.britannica.com/question/What-was-the-purpose-of-the-Crusades#:~:text=The%20Crusades%20were%20organized%20by,that%20had%20formerly%20been%20Christian.)
Like yeah there were a lot of Crusades with various leaders and goals. But converting the land and peoples to Christianity was definitely one of the stated goals/justification for doing it.
>[Coloman of Hungary had to deal with the problems that the armies of the First Crusade caused during their march across his country towards the Holy Land in 1096. He crushed two crusader hordes that had been pillaging the kingdom. Emicho's army eventually continued into Hungary but was also defeated by Coloman, at which point, Emicho's followers dispersed. Some eventually joined the main armies, although Emicho himself went home. Many of the attackers seem to have wanted to force the Jews to convert, although they were also interested in acquiring money from them. Physical violence against Jews was never part of the church hierarchy's official policy for crusading, and the Christian bishops, especially the Archbishop of Cologne, did their best to protect the Jews. A decade before, the Bishop of Speyer had taken the step of providing the Jews of that city with a walled ghetto to protect them from Christian violence and given their chief rabbis the control of judicial matters in the quarter. Nevertheless, some also took money in return for their protection. The attacks may have originated in the belief that Jews and Muslims were equally enemies of Christ, **and enemies were to be fought or converted to Christianity**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade)
Emphasis mine.
>It had the primary goal of liberating Jerusalem.
I don't think that the the primary goal or reason for the crusades. More like we had a lot of standing armies doing nothing and rulers needed something to do with those men other than war between fellow Christian nations.
They didn't just decide one day to Claim Juresalem out of religious fervor, they did the war for monetary and political reasons.
> But they never had tye intend for mass conversion.
Converting the heathens was one of the goals, yes. If they survived the genocide.
>[The Crusades were organized by western European Christians after centuries of Muslim wars of expansion. Their primary objectives were to stop the expansion of Muslim states, to reclaim for Christianity the Holy Land in the Middle East, and to recapture territories that had formerly been Christian.](https://www.britannica.com/question/What-was-the-purpose-of-the-Crusades#:~:text=The%20Crusades%20were%20organized%20by,that%20had%20formerly%20been%20Christian.)
Now, when they say "reclaiming the holy Land in the middle east and recpature territories that had formerly been Christian" what do you think would happen to the people in those territories? Why are they considered "Muslim" or "Christian" territories if converting the people and land itself isn't a goal?
What does it mean to "Reclaim" a land for your religion if you aren't converting/claiming it?
Not to be that guy, but quite famously the Christians did go around a be pretty insistent with their religious beliefs to foreigners. I mean we have Christians in Japan and India and Brazil and among the indigenous people of the U.S. and Australia. Of all religions Christian are called to spread the word and go out and recruit.
I googled “Christian Mission Pakistan” and got a dozen results for organizations that do missionary work in fundamentalist Muslim countries.
Jesus is considered *A* prophet in Islam, and the new testament is considered to be *a* holy book as well.
Not the most important of each, but Jesus and his storybook do have an official holiness rating under Islam.
"GO ON MY SISTER!!!"
Secretly thinking to himself, "Yes, yes, allow yourself to be suppressed by my tyrannical patriarchal sexist religious views that make women subservient to men, because god said so! How convenient for Muslim men, right?!"
This man used advertisment tactics, at first he wasn't cutting it that's why the other women just ignored him off for the most part. But then he was also mostly targetting the girls who were alone, thinking they are easy to target and manipulate, but then he went after those who had a man around them. The first girl he made to try on the hijab, he was only halfway talking to the girl, after he saw the other dude who was walking with that girl come close, he suddenly started to talk with him cause you know, bros are easier to agree to things that don't cause them harm, when they are just hanging out and trying to have fun with their girls...man.. idk but I just know it was a way for that guy to make sure they agreed on him, you can see as they are taking away the girl to try the hijab she kinda lowers her head and smiles weirdly as if she's embarrassed or smth. The next girl wasn't any different, she smiled awkwardly and the guy with her was just carefree or smth and felt it was okay for his girl to go and try the hijab. I swear, the first guy honestly, it felt like he was stoned, and high or smth cause his speech was a bit slow or smth. But damn i hate how they found people to wear the hijab, now I want to see videos of girls who remove the hijab on hijab day just so I can feel a bit better...
Anyway if my rambling doesn't makes sense, just forgive me. I had way too much sleep last night and I have an exam tomorrow i haven't studied for yet and this is why I am so frantic and mad.
Peer pressure? That was manipulation.
He asks them to wear the hijab for the sake of fighting islamophobia. That's pretty much just saying if you don't put this thing on your head, then you're a racist
“For the first time…” Dude literally just wants to convert these women into wearing it all the time. His phrasing is intentional.
I wouldn’t even make eye contact with him and just keep walking.
If he had approached my wife and I, I would have accepted. I have never worn a hijab before. I bet he wouldn't include the part where he refuses to put a man in a hijab in his video though.
I would trust it way more coming from a woman, lol. I have a muslim friend who only wears the hijab to mosque and family type events. We literally never talk about religion, but if she said one day “hey you wanna try it on?” I’d be like “ooooh sure why not!”
Oh absolutely different from a woman. I’ve hung out with Muslim girls in the safety of the bathroom before. It’s so much different coming from a woman.
It’s also different bc that person is **inviting** you to try something that **they** actually experience and want to share. Sharing vs evangelizing. The dude should have been wearing one himself.
Yeah it’s telling he ask people where they’re from and he’s at Times Square area cause local New Yorkers would not even be there or just walk past there not even batting an eye at these stuff
I honestly think it’s different based on who is approaching. A woman coming up to me with this proposal? I might try it, especially if it’s more about experiencing something from another culture vs trying to convert me to a religion. A man comes up to me with this shit? No way. I’m not going to dress up in your fetish.
yes definitely. trying on hijabs can be fun, and trying to see if you can figure out how to put them on sounds like its actually fun, but a guy coming up to me and beign like "she said yes? clearly allah is telling her she shiould follow my religion"
ohh I like this, it would be funny if one of girls had them put it on her boyfriend. I wonder how they would react.
A man in a hijab being submissive to his wife… it might be haram, or maybe they never considered it might happen so they never made an explicit rule against it, idk.
Because in Islam hijab for men is just lowering your gaze , which, if men actually just lowered their gays, why would women need to cover themselves in the first place? Oppressive Fruitcakes
Not as far as I understand it, the ‘gutra’ or more commonly known keffiyeh scarf is tradition Middle East attire and is not specific to Muslims, and is not required.
it has most recently been associated with support for the Palestinian people. But is worn by many. It’s a head covering to protect from the sun and sand or as a scarf to hide your face during protests. Like a guy wearing a ball cap in the United States or elsewhere.
Newsflash, it’s not 610AD anymore. There’s no need to revert 1400 years of human rights progress just to assert your perceived piety superiority and wife beating tendencies
610ad "stone/whip/lash someone for xyz"
2024: why are still using those old things? Have we not technologically advanced?
2024: we are now adding complaining about old tech to the list of Xyz
I’m incredibly confused and uncomfortable with this weird coddling we are doing to Islam these days.
Islam-all the religions but especially Islam-is not a misunderstood friendly ideology.
He’s talking like a sleezy sales person.
When the guy agreed to it, I assumed it was for him to try it on, but then it was assumed it was for the woman, who had already declined. It really shows how much autonomy women are seen as having.
Guilt tripping people in the name of Islamophobia is pro level of manipulation. So basically you're not Islamophobic only if you conveniently do what they want.
And of course the stupid rhetoric of women being 'guided' by their partners to the 'right choice', because a woman couldn't possibly be her own person without a man. 🤢
He should also tell then women what happens to them if they decide to take it off later in their life. Or what happens if they show more skin than they are allowed to.
This type of soft introduction to these backward ass religions is dangerous and should be stopped.
“Go on, my sister”
I hate it when strangers are overly familiar with me. I’m not your sister and I dislike it when strangers send emails to me directed to my first name like we know each other. It’s fake camaraderie and presumption.
This guy at the end probably
"This is why we need to force it! 😡"
Also gotta love the only people doing it are the women told to by their ignorant partners who don't know what it is or means... The irony
What's the point in "trying something on" that covers all your features? You can see one on a mannequin and know exactly what it will look like on you.
Poor Westerners will never know the crookedness of these people. First they will question your identity and dressing. Then they will attack you with their regressive philosophical ideas.
This is blatant missionary and conversion. I live in a Muslim majority country and when Christian missionaries come here they get criticised harshly and get told "don't shove your beliefs down my throat." Funny how they do the same thing when they are the minority
So telling that both women who ended up doing it were told to by their male partners. He only got women to agree because of male influence. Very fitting considering the brutal subjugation of Muslim women (or any women in Islamic countries).
Yea man that would totally work. It should work rivht ? Right?
U cant argue with islam. Its a virus thats it. When it comes to religion everything is white or black. There is no gray.
A so called solution like that never worked
Allah didn’t open their hearts though cause neither of them *actually* wanted to do it 😭 this guy really thinks he’s doing something by peer pressuring people.
If there is an all-powerful god of the universe, and the god is clapping about a person putting on a scarf instead of feeding a homeless person, then that god is utterly useless.
i saw a girl do this same thing but she didnt make it about the religion, just about hijabs. she asked if they want to try and most people were curious to see. she would teach them how to do it and that was cute and i liked that video
See, if that’s how it were to be presented to me, I’d totally try it out purely out of curiosity. Bring religion into it and that’d be an immediate hell no from me dawg.
Why can't Christians and Muslims just enjoy their religion and god without disturbing anyone else? And that's how you can tell all their religious leaders want is money and power. Christianity and Islam are like some big, evil, supervillains trying to take over the world, and they use their brainwashed minions to do their dirty work.
I find it really funny when he’s asking women who are completely covered head to toe with winter gear to try on a religious cover. Like, my dude, you can’t see her hair anyway - she’s wearing a toque and hood and scarf already lol
Why don't Muslim men cover their heads with something if they want women to cover their heads so badly? Then at least they wouldn't look sexist or hypocritical, wanting women to be mildly inconvenienced but not themselves.
It's been a while since I've used reddit but this is the first post on this subreddit that seems out of place. No one in the video is forcing or shaming anyone, the man walks away from the women that don't want to participate and moves on to the next person (kind of annoying but all street interviews are). It's not like putting it on means you're signing a religious contract or getting converted or anything, it just seems like a harmless activity. They say it's to fight the stigma which I kind of get especially in a place like NYC which from my experience does seem prejudiced against Arabs and people from Muslim cultures.
For the record I'm an atheist and I like most of the posts on this sub that call out religious fuckery but this one seems completely innocent. At least compared to the comment section which is a lot more hostile than I was expecting, even for this sub.
This guy is so cringe. Trying to make shit that was dumb 1000 years ago look relevant today.
Why is he even approaching a man's woman without man's permission to speak to her - by his own logic.
People that try to push their religion on to others did not understand the concept of religion at all.
HOLY FUCK JUST BE HAPPY WITH YOUR RELIGION AND STFU!!!
I want to see someone go
"In my religion men wear handcuffs, and i just happen to have some here.
If you try on handcuffs 'for the first time' I'll try on the hijab"
It's the same script every time, some poor fuck grew up in poverty, [INSERT RELIGION] showed him the way, he wants to spread their gospel, is discouraged, but then remembers [INSERT MARTYR/PROPHET/SIGNIFICANT PERSON] also suffered set backs, and now their [DIETY] guides them, because the only thing they were too poor to afford was common sense.
I have nothing against Islam but it is a thing where I come from that some Muslim men here have a hijab fetish. And it's specifically when non Muslim (usually fair skinned) girls wear a hijab.
I’d try it on! Looks fun and religious stuff doesn’t affect me, it’s just a scarf. *HOWEVER,* I’d only do it if he does, too. Or if he tries on a Sikh turban or nun habit. Maybe a yarmulke and watch his attitude change *real quick.*
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Just imagine if a Christian went to a Muslim country and try to make Muslim women wear a cross...
In some countries they would burn them and be lauded a hero. Not even kidding.
I know, Pakistan will top that.
Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Egypt, Sudan, Somalia...the list goes on. All places where Muslims will gladly murder anyone who leaves Islam, criticizes it, or promotes other faiths.
Religion of peace! /s
Honestly they do not deserve to be called the religion of peace at all. Even Christians from today and back like 200 years ago are more peaceful than they are right now. Like there are plenty of other religions that are far more peaceful than Islam
Jainism is the true religion of peace
True
Yeah FR
They love peace so much they are willing to murder anyone for it.
Well the dead are pretty peaceful so....
You're right. No dead guy has ever pushed his religion on me.
Jeebus enters the chat...
I've never met him in person, so he hasn't been overbearing about it. Now his followers, on the other hand....what a bunch of pushy dickheads. lol.
Its the people not religion /s
It's not the heat, it's the humidity
It's amazing how hard left leaning Americans and Canadians would call your comment as racist.
I'm very left leaning and also an atheist. Fuck religion it's all horseshit, but fuck islam in particular. It's the most archaic, misogynistic, and violent religion that exists today.
I've said that I am actually Islamophobic because I'm actually scared of that religion, especially the ardent followers. Especially as a woman. So it doesn't bother me when someone calls me that because I actually am afraid of Islam. Hell, as an ex-Christian, I'm afraid of the extremely devout and death-culty Christians, but no one seems to care about "Christianophobes". When I was a child, my mother was engaged to a man (in the States) who was from Saudi Arabia. He wasn't a practicing Muslim and my mother and we were Baptist. It was all well and good. And then he revealed that when they get married, he expected us to move to Saudi Arabia and for us to convert to Islam and she promptly ended the engagement. It was like he was playing the long game. He was never "none-practicing"; he just let her believe he was. And there was no way in hell my mother was going to let me grow up in that country. She said my brother might do alright, but I sure as hell won't. My brother also said "hell no".
I'm glad your mom snapped to her senses. You could've ended up like this kid. https://charleyproject.org/case/machael-heidi-al-omary She's still there, completely converted and willing to die for it. https://www.newenglishreview.org/articles/an-american-child-kidnapped-in-accordance-with-shariah/
Holy *shit*. I am more grateful than ever now, because of all awful things that I expected to happen to me, I didn't expect that was one possibility. I'm so grateful that my mother didn't actually marry him. His name was Saad and from what I remember, he was super kind and acted like a wonderful father-figure. Until they got engaged and he started implementing all these rules she had to follow and I genuinely don't know what he was thinking as my mother is a very independent woman who has no issues speaking her mind and went through hell leaving her ex-husband (refuse to call him my "father"). I should call her and thank her again.
Damn why do the most controlling men always go for the most independent women. I guess it some weird as fetish for them but honestly guys like that suck ass
Don't know, but she has a lot of fun putting those kinds of men in their place. One fun story I have is about my aunt - her sister. Her husband is a controlling asshole and very, *very* fundigelical Russian Baptist (we're from the Soviet Union, and if you know anything about it, Baptism was very persecuted and both my grandparents were in prison for it, as were a lot of Baptists, which gave them a certain prevailing persecuted self-righteousness) and controls his wife with an iron fist, making her have as many children as she could (until she secretly asked her doctor to give her a hysterectomy and tell my uncle it was necessary after her 10th). He doesn't let her have a driver's license, makes her wear a kasynka (a type of head covering worn by Russian Baptist women), never allowing her or his daughters wear anything other than skirts, no jewelry, makeup, etc. Anyway, just a controlling ass. When she came to visit my mom and he obviously came with (because god forbid she goes anywhere alone), my mother wanted to take her to a museum or something and started going to her car. But he went ahead of her, went to the driver's seat, demanded she hand him the keys, and that they both sit in the back seat! My mother looked at him like he was crazy and laughed in his face. She shoved him out of the way and got in the driver's seat, and he got quite mad. That wasn't it, though. He started going to the front seat and when he tried to open the door, she locked it and said, "no, that seat is for my sister; you sit in the back." He was *fuming*. He tried to argue and she told him he was more than welcome to stay at home. He reluctantly - *very* reluctantly - got into the back seat and complained the entire way. She turned up the volume in the back to drown him out and just talked to her sister, lol. Love that.
Damn that your mom is actually definition of a strong independent women. She really doesn’t take no shit😂😂. I hope your aunt divorce that guy
They enjoy ruining the lives of educated independent women. You see it everywhere.
The same reason women seek assholes (incel alert!) They want to "fix" them. These type of weak men see independent women, women who have spent their lifetimes building up their agency and autonomy, as broken and misguided. They should be brood mares and quiet little servants who are seen but not heard.
Never ceases to amaze me how stupid some women (in this case, the child's mother) can be when it comes to men.
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So proud of your mother 🫡
Me too :)
> When I was a child, my mother was engaged to a man (in the States) who was from Saudi Arabia. He wasn't a practicing Muslim and my mother and we were Baptist. It was all well and good. And then he revealed that when they get married, he expected us to move to Saudi Arabia and for us to convert to Islam and she promptly ended the engagement. There's a movie you should watch, starring Doctor Octopus called "Not Without My Daughter".
My fellow based comrade!
Communism is also shit, and out of all the communist countries fuck Russia in particular. Edit: Should have said Soviet Union. I don't know how to explain what kind of weird capitalistic hellscape dictatorship Russia is now.
It’s like they took only the worst qualities of czarist Russia, combined them with only the worst qualities of Communist Russia, and added in a heaping pile of Russian nationalism which rivals Nazi Germany in its brutality and complete lack of respect for human life. Then add in an internal caste system that discriminates against all non genetically Russian citizens, even tho they are routinely not as bright as some of their minorities (such as Ukrainians), a perpetually horrible economy, and a massively corrupt government, state church, and business environment. Then make everyone in the entire country lazy as fuck. Oh! And make the weather perpetually shitty. And there you have modern day Russia. It’s like they are actively trying to create the worst country possible.
There has never been a communist country. You're thinking of authoritarian dictatorships.
And there never will be, human greed will always ruin it.
I fully agree with you. Pieces of shit will always hijack a good cause. Good thing Artificial Superintelligence is coming! Think Rehoboam from westworld.
I think even in the best case scenario, a benevolent AI will start looking at the dead as a viable food source. Long pig is back on the menu ladies and gents!
Wouldn't even be racism. Because a religion isn't a race.
Real communists wouldn’t even allow religion to exist.
Im very left leaning and I absolutely despise religion and that includes Islam. One of the worst. Im not worried about being called racist because Islam and Christianity are to races.
Liberals and performative leftists, maybe. Real leftists actually know better.
Yes, i hate it when so many leftist specially LGBTQ and women support that religion
Not only is that stupid due to how diverse the global Islamic population is, that sentiment could be considered racist in itself. It’s patronizing culturally relativistic bullshit downplaying bad behaviour with “it’s just their culture”.
Asking them to lose their hijab is enough to trigger them.
Christian missionaries have been around for a long time and still are to this day. Historically they would convert both through proselytizing, subterfuge and also just the straight threat of force of just force. These days it’s more the former two and it happens less than it used to as religiosity has decreased in the christian world. So we don’t have to imagine, just look up any of the myriad of missionary youtube channels that document their trips to third world countries.
I had a girlfriend in college who went on several missions to south america to spread christianity. I remember she was sort of clueless about the local populations being Christians already and for about 500 years. Just the wrong sort of christians according to her preacher. Just got angry when this was pointed out. Like a good christian, lol. Religion really fucks with people's heads.
shit, imagine them just tryna suggest a woman remove her hijab
Think that was called the Crusades.
Must disagree here. Crusades had never the goal of converting islamic lands or its people to Christianity. It had the primary goal of liberating Jerusalem. As a secondary goal came along the plunder and enrichment. But you saw even quite frequently Christian and muslims side by side engaging one 1nd other, depending of their own local interest. Its not so black and white. But they never had tye intend for mass conversion. That became rather a thing during the era of colonisations, centuries after the cruisades
> Crusades had never the goal of converting islamic lands or its people to Christianity. > It had the primary goal of liberating Jerusalem. "Theyre the same picture"
its absolutely not the same thing, by the time of the first cruisade, jerusalem was inhabited by jews,muslims and christians. and pretty much everyone was put down to the sword when the cruisaders conquered it. also the crusaders took their time ( 2 years) to just stroll around the levant territory before actually assault jerusalem ( wich could be done in weeks if they wanted to) pure for greed and spoils, and no converting was going on... because that was never their goal
>because that was never their goal >>It had the primary goal of liberating Jerusalem. ["The Crusades were organized by western European Christians after centuries of Muslim wars of expansion. Their primary objectives were to stop the expansion of Muslim states, to reclaim for Christianity the Holy Land in the Middle East, and to recapture territories that had formerly been Christian."](https://www.britannica.com/question/What-was-the-purpose-of-the-Crusades#:~:text=The%20Crusades%20were%20organized%20by,that%20had%20formerly%20been%20Christian.) Like yeah there were a lot of Crusades with various leaders and goals. But converting the land and peoples to Christianity was definitely one of the stated goals/justification for doing it. >[Coloman of Hungary had to deal with the problems that the armies of the First Crusade caused during their march across his country towards the Holy Land in 1096. He crushed two crusader hordes that had been pillaging the kingdom. Emicho's army eventually continued into Hungary but was also defeated by Coloman, at which point, Emicho's followers dispersed. Some eventually joined the main armies, although Emicho himself went home. Many of the attackers seem to have wanted to force the Jews to convert, although they were also interested in acquiring money from them. Physical violence against Jews was never part of the church hierarchy's official policy for crusading, and the Christian bishops, especially the Archbishop of Cologne, did their best to protect the Jews. A decade before, the Bishop of Speyer had taken the step of providing the Jews of that city with a walled ghetto to protect them from Christian violence and given their chief rabbis the control of judicial matters in the quarter. Nevertheless, some also took money in return for their protection. The attacks may have originated in the belief that Jews and Muslims were equally enemies of Christ, **and enemies were to be fought or converted to Christianity**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Crusade) Emphasis mine.
>It had the primary goal of liberating Jerusalem. I don't think that the the primary goal or reason for the crusades. More like we had a lot of standing armies doing nothing and rulers needed something to do with those men other than war between fellow Christian nations. They didn't just decide one day to Claim Juresalem out of religious fervor, they did the war for monetary and political reasons. > But they never had tye intend for mass conversion. Converting the heathens was one of the goals, yes. If they survived the genocide. >[The Crusades were organized by western European Christians after centuries of Muslim wars of expansion. Their primary objectives were to stop the expansion of Muslim states, to reclaim for Christianity the Holy Land in the Middle East, and to recapture territories that had formerly been Christian.](https://www.britannica.com/question/What-was-the-purpose-of-the-Crusades#:~:text=The%20Crusades%20were%20organized%20by,that%20had%20formerly%20been%20Christian.) Now, when they say "reclaiming the holy Land in the middle east and recpature territories that had formerly been Christian" what do you think would happen to the people in those territories? Why are they considered "Muslim" or "Christian" territories if converting the people and land itself isn't a goal? What does it mean to "Reclaim" a land for your religion if you aren't converting/claiming it?
Not to be that guy, but quite famously the Christians did go around a be pretty insistent with their religious beliefs to foreigners. I mean we have Christians in Japan and India and Brazil and among the indigenous people of the U.S. and Australia. Of all religions Christian are called to spread the word and go out and recruit. I googled “Christian Mission Pakistan” and got a dozen results for organizations that do missionary work in fundamentalist Muslim countries.
Fuck them too.
Jesus is considered *A* prophet in Islam, and the new testament is considered to be *a* holy book as well. Not the most important of each, but Jesus and his storybook do have an official holiness rating under Islam.
I thought you said crocs lmfao
Prison or death
But asking Muslim women to take off thier hijab would be.....catastrophic.
“Today is international women’s day, would you like to try a bit of emancipation from a weird patriarchal tradition”
"GO ON MY SISTER!!!" Secretly thinking to himself, "Yes, yes, allow yourself to be suppressed by my tyrannical patriarchal sexist religious views that make women subservient to men, because god said so! How convenient for Muslim men, right?!"
Maybe if they had a supportive partner to push them into taking off their hijab they would do it.
Weird patriarchal dementia
the lesson is that peer pressure works when someone is screaming into a mic in front of you
That's not "peer" pressure, it's just regular old intimidation pressure.
i was mostly speaking in the case when he was talking to the woman and the man with her was agreeing with him and subtly hinting to try it
This man used advertisment tactics, at first he wasn't cutting it that's why the other women just ignored him off for the most part. But then he was also mostly targetting the girls who were alone, thinking they are easy to target and manipulate, but then he went after those who had a man around them. The first girl he made to try on the hijab, he was only halfway talking to the girl, after he saw the other dude who was walking with that girl come close, he suddenly started to talk with him cause you know, bros are easier to agree to things that don't cause them harm, when they are just hanging out and trying to have fun with their girls...man.. idk but I just know it was a way for that guy to make sure they agreed on him, you can see as they are taking away the girl to try the hijab she kinda lowers her head and smiles weirdly as if she's embarrassed or smth. The next girl wasn't any different, she smiled awkwardly and the guy with her was just carefree or smth and felt it was okay for his girl to go and try the hijab. I swear, the first guy honestly, it felt like he was stoned, and high or smth cause his speech was a bit slow or smth. But damn i hate how they found people to wear the hijab, now I want to see videos of girls who remove the hijab on hijab day just so I can feel a bit better... Anyway if my rambling doesn't makes sense, just forgive me. I had way too much sleep last night and I have an exam tomorrow i haven't studied for yet and this is why I am so frantic and mad.
Peer pressure? That was manipulation. He asks them to wear the hijab for the sake of fighting islamophobia. That's pretty much just saying if you don't put this thing on your head, then you're a racist
It feels bit like a kink too. This dude is getting off on this.
“For the first time…” Dude literally just wants to convert these women into wearing it all the time. His phrasing is intentional. I wouldn’t even make eye contact with him and just keep walking.
I'd actually laugh and tell him to fuck right off.
If he had approached my wife and I, I would have accepted. I have never worn a hijab before. I bet he wouldn't include the part where he refuses to put a man in a hijab in his video though.
But he did include in the video him refusing to allow men to try on the hijab at 0:17
Oh, I missed that
I would trust it way more coming from a woman, lol. I have a muslim friend who only wears the hijab to mosque and family type events. We literally never talk about religion, but if she said one day “hey you wanna try it on?” I’d be like “ooooh sure why not!”
Oh absolutely different from a woman. I’ve hung out with Muslim girls in the safety of the bathroom before. It’s so much different coming from a woman.
It’s also different bc that person is **inviting** you to try something that **they** actually experience and want to share. Sharing vs evangelizing. The dude should have been wearing one himself.
“In the safety of a bathroom” is so real 😂 we really kinda let guards down and connect in there don’t we
Yeah it’s telling he ask people where they’re from and he’s at Times Square area cause local New Yorkers would not even be there or just walk past there not even batting an eye at these stuff
yeah i saw a woman do this and she didnt make it about the religion and it was nice
I honestly think it’s different based on who is approaching. A woman coming up to me with this proposal? I might try it, especially if it’s more about experiencing something from another culture vs trying to convert me to a religion. A man comes up to me with this shit? No way. I’m not going to dress up in your fetish.
yes definitely. trying on hijabs can be fun, and trying to see if you can figure out how to put them on sounds like its actually fun, but a guy coming up to me and beign like "she said yes? clearly allah is telling her she shiould follow my religion"
I'd tell him only if they fitted me for one too, just to see his reaction (I'm a guy)
ohh I like this, it would be funny if one of girls had them put it on her boyfriend. I wonder how they would react. A man in a hijab being submissive to his wife… it might be haram, or maybe they never considered it might happen so they never made an explicit rule against it, idk.
I would do the same thing I do when a stranger asks me if I want to sign a petition or other random thing. Just pretend I don't hear and keep walking.
That soft-talking man is true evil.
Why does he have a weird foreign accent if he's from NY
Why isnt he wearing one if its hijab day?
I was hoping one of the men would try it on ;) Its great for robbing banks & evading the authorities
Right? When the first guy agreed I thought HE was going to put one on.
Because in Islam hijab for men is just lowering your gaze , which, if men actually just lowered their gays, why would women need to cover themselves in the first place? Oppressive Fruitcakes
Is the gutra considered kind of like a male hijab?
Not as far as I understand it, the ‘gutra’ or more commonly known keffiyeh scarf is tradition Middle East attire and is not specific to Muslims, and is not required. it has most recently been associated with support for the Palestinian people. But is worn by many. It’s a head covering to protect from the sun and sand or as a scarf to hide your face during protests. Like a guy wearing a ball cap in the United States or elsewhere.
Newsflash, it’s not 610AD anymore. There’s no need to revert 1400 years of human rights progress just to assert your perceived piety superiority and wife beating tendencies
> Newsflash, it’s not 610AD anymore. Living like it's 610 AD is Islam's entire identity though.
610ad "stone/whip/lash someone for xyz" 2024: why are still using those old things? Have we not technologically advanced? 2024: we are now adding complaining about old tech to the list of Xyz
I’m incredibly confused and uncomfortable with this weird coddling we are doing to Islam these days. Islam-all the religions but especially Islam-is not a misunderstood friendly ideology.
He’s talking like a sleezy sales person. When the guy agreed to it, I assumed it was for him to try it on, but then it was assumed it was for the woman, who had already declined. It really shows how much autonomy women are seen as having.
I noticed that. Did that guy agree on her behalf?
They can never keep their beliefs and values to themselves can they..
Religious fruit cake gunna fruit cake :D
Why doesn’t he ask the men to try it on?
I hope a crossdresser tricks him into doing so :3
Tim Burton walks up like
Hijab day can be his first day too
I was thinking the same. I'd have told him to try it.
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Guilt tripping people in the name of Islamophobia is pro level of manipulation. So basically you're not Islamophobic only if you conveniently do what they want. And of course the stupid rhetoric of women being 'guided' by their partners to the 'right choice', because a woman couldn't possibly be her own person without a man. 🤢
Christopher Hitchens was pretty clear what was to come.
Changing the world by covering hair... hm. If I knew it was that easy I would have just tried adding carcinogens to local water supplies.
I have great hair, no thx.
Now you've made me horny. Cover yourself.
“Yes? Yes! That looks like a yes!” Never leave this guy alone in a room with a woman.
He should also tell then women what happens to them if they decide to take it off later in their life. Or what happens if they show more skin than they are allowed to. This type of soft introduction to these backward ass religions is dangerous and should be stopped.
“Go on, my sister” I hate it when strangers are overly familiar with me. I’m not your sister and I dislike it when strangers send emails to me directed to my first name like we know each other. It’s fake camaraderie and presumption.
How ironic none of the women, even the ones that tried it on, wanted to. Their male partners pushed them into it. Kind of says everything.
Wonder when women will realize that sometimes the men in their lives are their biggest opps 😂.
In the video they even stated “But what pushed them both was a supportive partner” as if that’s a good thing 💀
This guy at the end probably "This is why we need to force it! 😡" Also gotta love the only people doing it are the women told to by their ignorant partners who don't know what it is or means... The irony
What a pos, spreading this bs so openly and shamelessly
It's like going to Home Depot and trying on a large black garbage bag like it the lastest style. This is fashion for fascist.
What's the point in "trying something on" that covers all your features? You can see one on a mannequin and know exactly what it will look like on you.
What a horrible condescending voice he has
sounds like he's talking to a child annoying af
There is a similar video in germany, ending with a brutal uppercut, and idiot "preacher" on his ass contemplating his choices. Its quiet comedic.
Link? I need a serious laugh today
Sir, you can't leave us without the link now.
Poor Westerners will never know the crookedness of these people. First they will question your identity and dressing. Then they will attack you with their regressive philosophical ideas.
I love how both of them did it because the partner, a man, encouraged them to
Why does religion turn everyone into fucking weirdos?
"Would you like to try wearable oppression, madam?"
This is blatant missionary and conversion. I live in a Muslim majority country and when Christian missionaries come here they get criticised harshly and get told "don't shove your beliefs down my throat." Funny how they do the same thing when they are the minority
So telling that both women who ended up doing it were told to by their male partners. He only got women to agree because of male influence. Very fitting considering the brutal subjugation of Muslim women (or any women in Islamic countries).
Ban these dawah bullshit
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Yea man that would totally work. It should work rivht ? Right? U cant argue with islam. Its a virus thats it. When it comes to religion everything is white or black. There is no gray. A so called solution like that never worked
Allah didn’t open their hearts though cause neither of them *actually* wanted to do it 😭 this guy really thinks he’s doing something by peer pressuring people.
Fuck off you religious fanatic.
Yes the lesson is you like your women subjugated fella.
If there is an all-powerful god of the universe, and the god is clapping about a person putting on a scarf instead of feeding a homeless person, then that god is utterly useless.
Maybe we should do a show offering a hijabi woman to take off their hijab.
At least he left the women who said no alone
i saw a girl do this same thing but she didnt make it about the religion, just about hijabs. she asked if they want to try and most people were curious to see. she would teach them how to do it and that was cute and i liked that video
See, if that’s how it were to be presented to me, I’d totally try it out purely out of curiosity. Bring religion into it and that’d be an immediate hell no from me dawg.
It would be like going anywhere and asking people to dress like a nun.
Sexists usually harass women in New York in a different way.
This enrages me what a piece of shit!
"Would you like to try these shackles on?"
Islam isn’t about coexisting. It’s about controlling .
All abrahamic religions.
It's a miserable, freezing cold day but this guy wants people to hang around with him outdoors longer than they absolutely have to.
Allah is famously a fan of Mooseknuckle coats like this guy is wearing
"Do you feel shame before God because men can see your hair? You don't? Would you like to?"
Why can't Christians and Muslims just enjoy their religion and god without disturbing anyone else? And that's how you can tell all their religious leaders want is money and power. Christianity and Islam are like some big, evil, supervillains trying to take over the world, and they use their brainwashed minions to do their dirty work.
This video makes me feel icky
Why the fuck does he talk like that? He sounds disingenuous. If I ran into him and he spoke to me like that I'd think he's trying to scam me.
Da'wah is just as annoying as evangelism.
"Let's change the world by making women wear a veil for no reason at all other than my own self satisfaction!"
He really thinks he’s the main character
Cringe ego religion, all fundamentalism is superego mutation.
I threw up on the street after watching this, thanks. Edit: I simply hate hijab.
I find it really funny when he’s asking women who are completely covered head to toe with winter gear to try on a religious cover. Like, my dude, you can’t see her hair anyway - she’s wearing a toque and hood and scarf already lol
I would just say to him take that fucking hijab and stick in his ass, go fuck himself with that fucking piece of shit he calls ''religion''
Cool, do burqa's next! /s This is the thin end of the wedge, now we're muslim grooming?
these will always piss me off but this is the first one i’ve seen that they (for the most part) accept when the person says no lol
Why don't Muslim men cover their heads with something if they want women to cover their heads so badly? Then at least they wouldn't look sexist or hypocritical, wanting women to be mildly inconvenienced but not themselves.
He's shocked so many women don't want to choose oppression.
This feels so fucking creepy lol
changing the world by forcing people to wear oppressive clothing
“Fuck you bud”. That’s all that’s needed
Aaaaaaand no one tried it on 😂 get the fuck outta here
It's been a while since I've used reddit but this is the first post on this subreddit that seems out of place. No one in the video is forcing or shaming anyone, the man walks away from the women that don't want to participate and moves on to the next person (kind of annoying but all street interviews are). It's not like putting it on means you're signing a religious contract or getting converted or anything, it just seems like a harmless activity. They say it's to fight the stigma which I kind of get especially in a place like NYC which from my experience does seem prejudiced against Arabs and people from Muslim cultures. For the record I'm an atheist and I like most of the posts on this sub that call out religious fuckery but this one seems completely innocent. At least compared to the comment section which is a lot more hostile than I was expecting, even for this sub.
Yes. You must wear my religions clothing even if you’re nothing to do with it because my sexual desires will come out if you don’t.
This guy is so cringe. Trying to make shit that was dumb 1000 years ago look relevant today. Why is he even approaching a man's woman without man's permission to speak to her - by his own logic.
People that try to push their religion on to others did not understand the concept of religion at all. HOLY FUCK JUST BE HAPPY WITH YOUR RELIGION AND STFU!!!
Ewww whats that brothaaa
Hey, today is medieval torture device day, would you like to try this lead springler ?
Good ol' you want some candy trick
If I had a girlfriend and they did this to us and kept pushing it, I would’ve clocked him in the face and left him in the streets
I want to see someone go "In my religion men wear handcuffs, and i just happen to have some here. If you try on handcuffs 'for the first time' I'll try on the hijab"
Today is ✨ HIJAB DAY ✨ hahaha
Hahaha. His face should be the profile pic for this subreddit. What an absolute fruitcake!
I puked
Very cool. Now try in Tel Aviv
LITTLE OLD ME, AN ORPHAN FROM THE BRONX
It's the same script every time, some poor fuck grew up in poverty, [INSERT RELIGION] showed him the way, he wants to spread their gospel, is discouraged, but then remembers [INSERT MARTYR/PROPHET/SIGNIFICANT PERSON] also suffered set backs, and now their [DIETY] guides them, because the only thing they were too poor to afford was common sense.
That soft-talking man is a true evil.
The women that did accept the change are most likely the ones to convert because "wow, Islam, much good!"
I think these women just say yes to be polite so they won’t get cancelled.
I have nothing against Islam but it is a thing where I come from that some Muslim men here have a hijab fetish. And it's specifically when non Muslim (usually fair skinned) girls wear a hijab.
You should have something against Islam. It's evil.
Agreed. And so is Christianity.
Absolutely.
“You can’t try it but come with us.”
It’s like saying we’re inviting blackischen menschen to try to wear chains ⛓️
I’d try it on! Looks fun and religious stuff doesn’t affect me, it’s just a scarf. *HOWEVER,* I’d only do it if he does, too. Or if he tries on a Sikh turban or nun habit. Maybe a yarmulke and watch his attitude change *real quick.*