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This is the first time the All Black forwards have played well and dominated the breakdown since they got dominated by England back in the RWC.
This is just due to Jason Ryan, forwards coach under Scott Robertson, joining a couple weeks ago.
Imagine the impact if Scott Robertson became head coach...!! This result should change nothing, Ian Foster still has to go.
Agree with you 10000000%…
Foster really should do the dignified thing and step down now, leaving on a high note after a win, but I very much doubt he will.
Agreed, on top of that I think for Richie to be effective he has to start at 10. BB can jump on anywhere any time and still be damaging, I don’t think mounga has that in his game he needs to work himself into it not just have 15mins at the end when the teams on the back foot
Need a director at first five to unleash the outside backs. The first five should really focus on playmaking and kicking not running. Otherwise that's less ball your runners get.
Yeah apart from a critical turnover that resulted in a try cause he’s too small.
But that was more Caleb Charles fault for passing him the ball in front of the SA forward pack
ABs had structure, and I'd say the forwards actually soundly won the battle against SAs very good pack - something I thought I wouldn't see for years. Jason Ryan has clearly had a massive impact. Imagine if we could get in Razor as head coach as well...!
The forwards finally took care of the breakdown and the backs took care of the high kicks. Good performances from men right across the park. It was a pretty definite team win.
I recall Plumtree having a lot of experience. But not a lot of success (outside of the Currie Cup).
Similar to Foster, loads of experience. But not much of it successful
If you're comparing Plumtree or Jason Ryan though in 2019, the safer bet was certainly on Plumtree. 25 year career. Currie Cup success, Hurricanes success. International experience. Part of Schmidts Irish renaissance... It was a smart call at the time that hindsight proved wrong.
That final box kick by jantjies in our last opportunity of play... Why!? It's a sign of a player sticking to a system eventhough the situation infront of him has massive opportunity. It ultimately let to the final nz try and lost us out opportunity to win at the death
ABs better on the day, ardie is just ridiculously good.
Felt the boks lost the forward battle. I do have some questions over selection with Bongi out Malcolm should have started
Reffing was good no complaints
Reffing was pretty average at times. For a supposedly "technical ref", he missed a couple of key obvious not-releasing plays, and not to mention how long some of those penalty advantages went for. And then there was that forward pass that led to that try (poor job by touchie on that one)
the only bad reffing was that absolut bs where RM was tackled not released and turned over for the saffas to score .. SO MUCH BS you can see in the replays!!
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Havili, Ioane, Jordan and Clarke are all much, much better players when there is a First Five on the field who can actually throw decent passes to his backline. Beauden has a lot of individual brilliance, but the AB backline never looks threatening with him at 10.
100% agree. In saying that Smith was passing from the ruck instead of that 3 or 4 steps he’s been taking recently and we had better go forward. But those 2 or 3 times he put Reiko on the outside of his marker was pure class
Winning the odd ruck here and there helps a 1st 5l look good.
Mounga got the rolls Royce ride compared to the rickshaw Barrets been working behind recently.
Last week I counted at least 15 times when the AB's could have sparked an attacking backline play, but BB just didn't have the skills to do it.
You are right about winning rucks creating chances for the First Five to look good - but in his hundred games, the AB's have won plenty of rucks, yet BB has not spun the ball along the backline once the way Mo'unga does. And Mo'unga's attacks don't always begin with dominant rucks either.
Apart From BBs bad mistake tonight he has looked pretty class, in a team that has lacked any go forward. Its hard to tell unless BB also gets a game where his forwards aren't destroyed.
There were some pretty massive shifts in the ABs tonight.
Both our locks had big games (despite a Whitelock brain fart but he's 65 years old give him a break), Ardie as always, Mounga was class, Reiko was big on defense and broke the game open when he found himself on the wing (hmm..).
Great game of footy to watch.
On a separate note, our continued tactic of facing the All Blacks at altitude even when we barely have any players who play at altitude continues to amuse me. It's honestly a disadvantage, but qubekha.
Followed the game through live updates and here. Sounds like a banger. Well done to the ABS and iqn foster. Credit where it's due. This was a massive achievement.
Hopefully they can carry through the momentum and keep working on and perfecting these combinations.
Sounds like the tight five went well, that's great to hear.
Lukanyo Am the best player in the world right now? Absolutely insane display.
Dupont is the only player I can think of at the moment that can make a similar impact
Am is brilliant for sure but Ardie hasn’t dropped a beat all year. He’s constantly consistent. Good out wide, good in the tight, good over the ball. Has to be the front Runner for Poty.
Mounga is better as a starting 10 than Barrett. They went toe to toe in the Super Rugby final and Mounga was the better player.
It's not that Barrett isn't good at galvanising the players around him, it's that Mounga is better.
I think Barrett wants to do it all himself at times. He’s brilliant enough so I get it but but as a 10 I think maybe slowing down a bit helps the team better. I think Barrett is really sure of himself which Richie probably isn’t yet at this level and tactically that probably works better right now.
ABs: a lot players stepped up. Well done, enjoy the win.
SA, idk. Their style is great at suffocating and strangling teams repeatedly but just doesn't quite seem to properly knock them out often enough. They never seem to build up a proper insurmountable score and that allows the opposition to rally and get the upper hand with a bit of belief.
They've got talented attacking players, just seems a bit of trust is needed to apply a bit of killer instinct.
this is brilliant insight. as a springbok fan it is a helish xp watching games. we never break clear and usually win or lose in the last 5 mins. that being said,
its more games won than lost.
He was always getting over the advantage line. Put his hand up for the tough carrie’s you need in test matches. Needed to work on his distribution. And build chemistry in defence with his 10, 13.
Then all of a sudden the Hurricanes/ NZRU offered him less money which is basically a polite fuck off.
If the man wants to smash thru for the big points, I say let him smash! Didnt look like many were stopping him much. The energy went up 20x he scored. Every time he got a try for AB the NZRU should give him 10k! Wankers!
um did u see him do a brilliant kick pass and then a try.. haviili is the midfield answer to everyones question.. also he got 2 50-22s agaisnt the irish rememberberries!
I think Havili can be great with consistency. Rieko was great today but really shone when he went wide. AB fans imo, are stuck in this crash ball 12 idea and I think Havili could be great at 13 actually. Goodbye and ALB can both play 12 and 13 if available but I don’t think they’re long term options anymore unfortunately.
Laumape was good for the highlights reel, but Hansen called him out publicly as a poor communicator. That indicates he wasn't good at executing what the ABs needed from their 12 and was possibly a bit selfish. He's also got a real chip on his shoulder and a bit of an attitude.
Ma'a's attitude was criticised yeah, mostly around Super Rugby form though. He was dropped from the ABs and missed, was it the 2007 world cup? But stayed in NZ and developed his game. No one begrudges Laumape for doing what was best for himself financially but I reckon he thought he was more valuable to the team than he probably was. And to be fair, if ALB and Goodhue weren't consistently injured, we probably wouldn't even really be talking about the uncertainty in our midfield.
ALB could have been one of the greats. always preferred him at 13 than 12, mind.
it doesn't really matter if we're only playing Aussies or domestic but I'm a firm believer that you need one bashy back when playing against trolls
All good boys, well played NZ. It's just a strange feeling to know the Boks played so well, yet still lost. These kind of games always come down to one or two moments, and it just happened to go nz's way at the right ones. Glad to see nz is back competitively.
There were moments both ways mate. That "no arms tackle" called on de groot was garbage for exaplme and gave the springboks a way back into the game. Thought the ref blew the whistle way too much but equally for both sides
I'm cross about that 'knock on' I'm clearly in the disagree camp with pierce there. Bit that second go to get in the way from Hendrikse to me seemed a touch suspicious. Borderline not quite innocent enough in blocking.
Didn't Mapimpi score immediately after his disallowed try?
And Pearce called advantage for the rip, if it wasn't called as a knock on NZ don't run it from there in that manner
No, New Zealand had the ball and Pearce called advantage. They ran it and the play broke down and the try was scored. That play doesn't happen if Pearce doesn't call advantage
I like to feel like I've got a pretty solid understanding of the rules and tactics but can someone with a lot more experience explain this:
Why with 3ish minutes left, 5 points down, 1-man advantage, and 30 meters out, is your gameplan to box-kick? Or was this just a stupid mistake?
I've seen it done so many times over the years and 9 times out of 10 I find myself saying "That's just cost them the match" and low and behold, it does. Wales do it, nearly every team does it at some point.
I get that you can force a knock-on or a holding-on penalty but Will Jordan was impeccable under the high ball and Savea was not letting anyone near that breakdown. It seems such a high-risk play at exactly the wrong time.
I was watching as a neutral but it seemed such a shame.
So. Man down or otherwise, if you aren’t on counterattack, 30m to score you probably have to play about 20 phases. Chances of you doing that without getting turned over? Maybe like 30%. The kick isn’t as risky as you think
It must be coached into them, its like they are expecting a hail mary regather. I agree, the number of times Wales has done it I'm surprised that I've got any hair left.
There is no reasoning behind that. I was screaming at the telly even as a neutral going "WTF is he doing?"
Why a forward or the captain Kolisi didn't scream at him to pass the ball I don't know. Everyone just let it happen. Bizarre decision.
I always wonder the same thing. I just wonder if somehow, statistically it’s the better option than a midfield attack that can sometimes get a bit stagnant or lead to a turnover penalty etc. It doesn’t seem right to me though…
Faf has the benefit of experience which the others don’t and he still makes some brain dead decisions at times. I think Jaden and Herschel need more game time and they’ll be brilliant.
Hey, just going by your name, any recommendations on where to watch the Wallabies game this arvo in DC? I find myself here but have no local knowledge...
Not sure I can help you there. RC is streaming only in the US, so you'd have to find a rugby bar. If Google rugby bars in DC, find one near you, and call ahead to see if they have the game. Or just do the VPN+Stan (or illegal stream) route - that's what I do.
The teams delivered tonight. The Boks weren't their best best, but NZ played so much smarter tonight.
Nullified the aerial game very well, dustrupted our lineout. Held out our maul and shut us out at the breakdown.
So as dissapointed as I am, I can't really argue the result.
Well done AB's.
Ps. Reading some of the comments on here I am not going to feel sorry for NZ supporters when they have another slump. Won't make that mistake again.
I think the big thing is this win wasn’t off the back of individual brilliance this was a team win. I do think our starting team today was our go to aside from frizel.
Wasn’t sold on lomax either, gave away quite a few penalties both at scrum and maul, newell though was great on his debut. Good carrying, effort and some silky passing even
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We’re back baby
South Africa playing the long game and trying to ensure Foster remains in place for the World Cup.
Honestly we need to ditch Smith, Christie is clearly better.
This is the first time the All Black forwards have played well and dominated the breakdown since they got dominated by England back in the RWC. This is just due to Jason Ryan, forwards coach under Scott Robertson, joining a couple weeks ago. Imagine the impact if Scott Robertson became head coach...!! This result should change nothing, Ian Foster still has to go.
Agree with you 10000000%… Foster really should do the dignified thing and step down now, leaving on a high note after a win, but I very much doubt he will.
Even tough we lost it was a great game of test rugby!
Amazing what’s possible when you win some breakdown ball. Foster should still go.
Didn't watch a the game. Was Richie solid?!
He was solid, but not sure if he did enough to displace beauden.
He looks more organised. For all the talent Beauden has Richie just feels like a better option at 10 for me. Just my opinion.
Agreed, on top of that I think for Richie to be effective he has to start at 10. BB can jump on anywhere any time and still be damaging, I don’t think mounga has that in his game he needs to work himself into it not just have 15mins at the end when the teams on the back foot
Need a director at first five to unleash the outside backs. The first five should really focus on playmaking and kicking not running. Otherwise that's less ball your runners get.
I feel Beauden has the X-Factor but Richie is the better kicker, game manager etc.
He looked like that cause the forwards stepped up. If it was last week he would have looked like BB did..
Yeah apart from a critical turnover that resulted in a try cause he’s too small. But that was more Caleb Charles fault for passing him the ball in front of the SA forward pack
They didn’t release Richie in that moment, rough call.
To be fair the ABs had good success running it out of their 22, but it's a risky play. It was also unclear if the tackler actually released him.
Caleb Clarke ofc he did
One of my favorite things to do is emulate the SA commentators by yelling "MAPIMPI!" whenever he touches the ball. It's a good time
I had to sleep for work so didn’t watch the game. Did the All Blacks play with structure or win due to individual brilliance?
ABs had structure, and I'd say the forwards actually soundly won the battle against SAs very good pack - something I thought I wouldn't see for years. Jason Ryan has clearly had a massive impact. Imagine if we could get in Razor as head coach as well...!
structure for sure. All the tries were very much team efforts. Breakdown much improved, maul much improved.
The forwards finally took care of the breakdown and the backs took care of the high kicks. Good performances from men right across the park. It was a pretty definite team win.
Nice ! Immediate impact from the forwards coach that Foster poached off Razor. Good to hear Jordie finally have a good game.
Yeah I think it indicates that Plumtree failed to live up to his credentials and getting rid of him was the right decision.
Just funny that I remember Foster was credited with the better ‘coaching team’. But now he’s poaching from the guy he beat out.
Sure, but on paper he did. Plumtree has a strong resume and no one expected him to lead the forwards backwards, so to speak.
I recall Plumtree having a lot of experience. But not a lot of success (outside of the Currie Cup). Similar to Foster, loads of experience. But not much of it successful
If you're comparing Plumtree or Jason Ryan though in 2019, the safer bet was certainly on Plumtree. 25 year career. Currie Cup success, Hurricanes success. International experience. Part of Schmidts Irish renaissance... It was a smart call at the time that hindsight proved wrong.
Yeah fair points. In hindsight all of those coaches were a miss. But I was never confident in Foster
They played with heart and grit. This SA team is very good
I thought it was more than individual brilliance for what it's worth
We needed marx from the start of the match. someone who would have disrupted the nz momentum. Nz should have never gotten the start thay did.
But then you bring on Dweba the last 30 and he throws in like that and you can’t sub him. We needed another fetcher today as Duane wasn’t affective.
Yeah should have started wiese
So is NZ now favorites to win the championship?
That final box kick by jantjies in our last opportunity of play... Why!? It's a sign of a player sticking to a system eventhough the situation infront of him has massive opportunity. It ultimately let to the final nz try and lost us out opportunity to win at the death
agreed. we can only hope that Rasnaber took notes - and circled this.
If the Boks actually passed off a lineout close to the tryline the opposing team would be so confused we could just walk it in.
huh ? im confused?
They kick for the corner and maul it from the lineout every single time. The opposition would be utterly shocked if we didn't go to the maul.
They'd deserve the try lol
Jeff Wilson is such an ass-kisser
Exactly. Unbearable as a pundit
Southern supremacy reloading…
Ma'a is the Sbw of kiwi commentators
Totally disagree. I thought his analysis was actually pretty considered and spot on. SBW can't finish a sentence.
He’s pretty funny to be fair, just a joker but it brings a lighter vibe. I enjoyed his antics.
Sbw is funny too, they both add a human touch to the postgame. I enjoy their interactions with players and coaches 😊
Sbw is a kiwi too
Bur he commentates for Stan.
Australian of Kiwi decent
He does the Australian commentary.
For shame SA, for shame
Lmao that question to Foz
Surprised how flat his answer was. Fingers crossed he’s yesterdays man
Fossies response was fine. Not adding to the drama
Great game! Well done NZ! A little forward on the SA try???? Beaudy didn’t make much of an impact…
He didn’t play for 10 mins..
Nonu asking the real questions
ABs better on the day, ardie is just ridiculously good. Felt the boks lost the forward battle. I do have some questions over selection with Bongi out Malcolm should have started Reffing was good no complaints
Reffing was pretty average at times. For a supposedly "technical ref", he missed a couple of key obvious not-releasing plays, and not to mention how long some of those penalty advantages went for. And then there was that forward pass that led to that try (poor job by touchie on that one)
for real I feel like they kept calling him technical but really implied “irregularly pedantic”
Feel that’s some of the best reffing I’ve seen internationally in a while
Yes agree. Consistent
the only bad reffing was that absolut bs where RM was tackled not released and turned over for the saffas to score .. SO MUCH BS you can see in the replays!! \+
Yep a couple of funny calls but overall he was very strong without wrecking the match
Yh I can name a few issues but like you said didn’t ruin the game and I feel he was very clear with his decision making
Havili, Ioane, Jordan and Clarke are all much, much better players when there is a First Five on the field who can actually throw decent passes to his backline. Beauden has a lot of individual brilliance, but the AB backline never looks threatening with him at 10.
100% agree. In saying that Smith was passing from the ruck instead of that 3 or 4 steps he’s been taking recently and we had better go forward. But those 2 or 3 times he put Reiko on the outside of his marker was pure class
Winning the odd ruck here and there helps a 1st 5l look good. Mounga got the rolls Royce ride compared to the rickshaw Barrets been working behind recently.
Last week I counted at least 15 times when the AB's could have sparked an attacking backline play, but BB just didn't have the skills to do it. You are right about winning rucks creating chances for the First Five to look good - but in his hundred games, the AB's have won plenty of rucks, yet BB has not spun the ball along the backline once the way Mo'unga does. And Mo'unga's attacks don't always begin with dominant rucks either.
I hate Beauden at 10, his kicking and passing game is atrocious. Mo'unga is a far better goal kicking option than Jordie too.
Apart From BBs bad mistake tonight he has looked pretty class, in a team that has lacked any go forward. Its hard to tell unless BB also gets a game where his forwards aren't destroyed.
Lmao did you forgot the last 5 years
There were some pretty massive shifts in the ABs tonight. Both our locks had big games (despite a Whitelock brain fart but he's 65 years old give him a break), Ardie as always, Mounga was class, Reiko was big on defense and broke the game open when he found himself on the wing (hmm..). Great game of footy to watch.
On a separate note, our continued tactic of facing the All Blacks at altitude even when we barely have any players who play at altitude continues to amuse me. It's honestly a disadvantage, but qubekha.
Yes, let's not forget that the ABs are very used to playing at altitude. I think Eden park is a whopping 50m above sea level!
Followed the game through live updates and here. Sounds like a banger. Well done to the ABS and iqn foster. Credit where it's due. This was a massive achievement. Hopefully they can carry through the momentum and keep working on and perfecting these combinations. Sounds like the tight five went well, that's great to hear.
Jeff Wilson’s constant nodding when Foster is speaking is so fing annoying
Nonu looks like a pirate 🏴☠️
Lucky he left the eye-liner at home !
Develop the Blues partnership. RTS. Mounga 10, rts 12, reeks 13 cc/fainganuku/reece outsides, Will 15
Lukanyo Am the best player in the world right now? Absolutely insane display. Dupont is the only player I can think of at the moment that can make a similar impact
Yeah he is world class Am. Such a smart player, love watching him compete
Am, Ardie and Antoine are so clear it's unreal
Am is brilliant for sure but Ardie hasn’t dropped a beat all year. He’s constantly consistent. Good out wide, good in the tight, good over the ball. Has to be the front Runner for Poty.
Have you heard of a guy called Ardie Savea
Not to the same amount tho
Great game of rugby. Not too fussed. Well played and congrats Abs!
Mounga is better as a starting 10 than Barrett. They went toe to toe in the Super Rugby final and Mounga was the better player. It's not that Barrett isn't good at galvanising the players around him, it's that Mounga is better.
I’m a Blues supporter and have been saying Mo’unga is the better 10 for so long now.
He’s looked liked a schoolboy in the test arena till tonight. Take the eye patch off.
Imagine thinking that Mounga is "school boy tier" rugby. He's the best 10 in New Zealand.
This is so obvious to me and I’m shocked people disagree so often! I’ve been saying this for ages.
I think Barrett wants to do it all himself at times. He’s brilliant enough so I get it but but as a 10 I think maybe slowing down a bit helps the team better. I think Barrett is really sure of himself which Richie probably isn’t yet at this level and tactically that probably works better right now.
Audience was mym mom. Thought he was massive for the AB's today. Well played AB's.
Ardie?
Oh no! Stupid phone spell check, yes Ardie! :)
What a great match to watch. That's it, that's the message. Either team could have won, right up until the end.
Silly game management lost that game for us.
ABs: a lot players stepped up. Well done, enjoy the win. SA, idk. Their style is great at suffocating and strangling teams repeatedly but just doesn't quite seem to properly knock them out often enough. They never seem to build up a proper insurmountable score and that allows the opposition to rally and get the upper hand with a bit of belief. They've got talented attacking players, just seems a bit of trust is needed to apply a bit of killer instinct.
this is brilliant insight. as a springbok fan it is a helish xp watching games. we never break clear and usually win or lose in the last 5 mins. that being said, its more games won than lost.
Yeah, boks didn't capitalize when they seemed dominant, All Blacks did, story of my entire childhood
Yeah I think this is why our win percentage does not match up to the quality of our team.
Reiko deserved the MoM. His doubters need to shut tf up now. He needs a better inside tho, not Havili.
There was a guy named Laumape. But the ABs didn’t want to invest in developing him.
precisely, rwc against england would've gone a bit different if we had him in the team
Yeah, hes a beast! Pretty much scores tries like every match and boom he was gone. I loved watching when he was on. Massive energy from him.
He was always getting over the advantage line. Put his hand up for the tough carrie’s you need in test matches. Needed to work on his distribution. And build chemistry in defence with his 10, 13. Then all of a sudden the Hurricanes/ NZRU offered him less money which is basically a polite fuck off.
If the man wants to smash thru for the big points, I say let him smash! Didnt look like many were stopping him much. The energy went up 20x he scored. Every time he got a try for AB the NZRU should give him 10k! Wankers!
And so say all of us. He should be playing his 40th test or something close
Havili played pretty well today
um did u see him do a brilliant kick pass and then a try.. haviili is the midfield answer to everyones question.. also he got 2 50-22s agaisnt the irish rememberberries!
He was great but Ardie should have got MoM
100%
Who's your pick over Havili?
I think Havili can be great with consistency. Rieko was great today but really shone when he went wide. AB fans imo, are stuck in this crash ball 12 idea and I think Havili could be great at 13 actually. Goodbye and ALB can both play 12 and 13 if available but I don’t think they’re long term options anymore unfortunately.
Goodhue would work well with him
somebody in the Nonu/SBW vein. perhaps this RTS guy? It was a mistake to not work on Laumape
Laumape was good for the highlights reel, but Hansen called him out publicly as a poor communicator. That indicates he wasn't good at executing what the ABs needed from their 12 and was possibly a bit selfish. He's also got a real chip on his shoulder and a bit of an attitude.
well he does now. I'm old enough to remember when Ma'a was accused of similar problems
Ma'a's attitude was criticised yeah, mostly around Super Rugby form though. He was dropped from the ABs and missed, was it the 2007 world cup? But stayed in NZ and developed his game. No one begrudges Laumape for doing what was best for himself financially but I reckon he thought he was more valuable to the team than he probably was. And to be fair, if ALB and Goodhue weren't consistently injured, we probably wouldn't even really be talking about the uncertainty in our midfield.
ALB could have been one of the greats. always preferred him at 13 than 12, mind. it doesn't really matter if we're only playing Aussies or domestic but I'm a firm believer that you need one bashy back when playing against trolls
He's good but he's going to take some time and struggle getting to international level, look how Havillis been going
Well played bokkes! Brilliant pass by Willemse to Mapimpi for that try
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All good boys, well played NZ. It's just a strange feeling to know the Boks played so well, yet still lost. These kind of games always come down to one or two moments, and it just happened to go nz's way at the right ones. Glad to see nz is back competitively.
There were moments both ways mate. That "no arms tackle" called on de groot was garbage for exaplme and gave the springboks a way back into the game. Thought the ref blew the whistle way too much but equally for both sides
Yeah agree, the ref could have let the game flow a lot more
I'm cross about that 'knock on' I'm clearly in the disagree camp with pierce there. Bit that second go to get in the way from Hendrikse to me seemed a touch suspicious. Borderline not quite innocent enough in blocking.
Don’t forget PSDT not releasing before the turnover for Mapimpis try…
Didn't Mapimpi score immediately after his disallowed try? And Pearce called advantage for the rip, if it wasn't called as a knock on NZ don't run it from there in that manner
Yeah I was shocked at how they got that ball back. Richie was sitting and they were fighting for the ball still, not letting him place.
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No, New Zealand had the ball and Pearce called advantage. They ran it and the play broke down and the try was scored. That play doesn't happen if Pearce doesn't call advantage
I like to feel like I've got a pretty solid understanding of the rules and tactics but can someone with a lot more experience explain this: Why with 3ish minutes left, 5 points down, 1-man advantage, and 30 meters out, is your gameplan to box-kick? Or was this just a stupid mistake? I've seen it done so many times over the years and 9 times out of 10 I find myself saying "That's just cost them the match" and low and behold, it does. Wales do it, nearly every team does it at some point. I get that you can force a knock-on or a holding-on penalty but Will Jordan was impeccable under the high ball and Savea was not letting anyone near that breakdown. It seems such a high-risk play at exactly the wrong time. I was watching as a neutral but it seemed such a shame.
So. Man down or otherwise, if you aren’t on counterattack, 30m to score you probably have to play about 20 phases. Chances of you doing that without getting turned over? Maybe like 30%. The kick isn’t as risky as you think
So for it to be the right call then getting the ball back from the box kick needs to have over a 30% likelihood, I find that hard to believe
It’s just lizard brain thinking because they practice and play it so much
It must be coached into them, its like they are expecting a hail mary regather. I agree, the number of times Wales has done it I'm surprised that I've got any hair left.
There is no reasoning behind that. I was screaming at the telly even as a neutral going "WTF is he doing?" Why a forward or the captain Kolisi didn't scream at him to pass the ball I don't know. Everyone just let it happen. Bizarre decision.
I always wonder the same thing. I just wonder if somehow, statistically it’s the better option than a midfield attack that can sometimes get a bit stagnant or lead to a turnover penalty etc. It doesn’t seem right to me though…
Definitely got something to do with statistics, but in the final minute? Possession has to trump a kick
The box kick was the wrong call, particularly since we have not had dominance in that area all game
Ian foster contract extension when???
How much better is faf over the scrummie that played today
I bet you weren’t saying that last week.
Faf has the benefit of experience which the others don’t and he still makes some brain dead decisions at times. I think Jaden and Herschel need more game time and they’ll be brilliant.
I was question not a statement lol, faf is my favorite player
Some 4d chess by SA ensuring foster is there come the rwc and NZ just shit the bed the whole tourney
This would be funny if that wasn't the best game I've seen in years.
Hugely disappointed by the boks. The fucked it up. So much. Kriel going off and rearranging the backline was also a big setback
It's a real risk of only carrying two backs, worked will last week though.
Yep thats the big problem. I dont think much of that match
As a neutral, I'm glad I watched.
Hey, just going by your name, any recommendations on where to watch the Wallabies game this arvo in DC? I find myself here but have no local knowledge...
Not sure I can help you there. RC is streaming only in the US, so you'd have to find a rugby bar. If Google rugby bars in DC, find one near you, and call ahead to see if they have the game. Or just do the VPN+Stan (or illegal stream) route - that's what I do.
I found somewhere, thanks!
BB. We’ll have to play the Malcom Marx role for the AB from now on. Coming off the bench.
South Africa win by 4 on aggregate.... it’s over...
Fozzie lucky Jason Ryan calling the shots.
Yup. See how much of a difference half of razors coaching team makes.. maybe /s but I’m unsure.
The teams delivered tonight. The Boks weren't their best best, but NZ played so much smarter tonight. Nullified the aerial game very well, dustrupted our lineout. Held out our maul and shut us out at the breakdown. So as dissapointed as I am, I can't really argue the result. Well done AB's. Ps. Reading some of the comments on here I am not going to feel sorry for NZ supporters when they have another slump. Won't make that mistake again.
any of us feeling cocky deserve a good kicking, that for sure and I don't blame you
gg wp all blacks.
Can we give rieko some love?
You guys in NZ really give him a hard rap
AB’s fans rn: “We won… but at what cost?”
I think the big thing is this win wasn’t off the back of individual brilliance this was a team win. I do think our starting team today was our go to aside from frizel.
Even Havili?
He had his moments
It’s just such a weak area for us now. I’d probably go with Tupaea personally
Out the box call but maybe chuck beauden at 12
Hadn’t thought of that, is worth a shot actually
Wasn’t sold on lomax either, gave away quite a few penalties both at scrum and maul, newell though was great on his debut. Good carrying, effort and some silky passing even
I thought he had a solid showing but yeah good point there. Newel was great
Come on Argentina, please beat the wallabies to keep the race tight
Hell of a good match.