Am a teacher. This year our district made a huge push to get staff "stop the bleed" certified. Basically knowing how to stop medium to large wounds bleeding. Apparently a study said that 70% of sandy hook victims would have survived if they had proper first aid treatment. Aka they basically bled out and would have survived if they had their wounds wrapped properly. This stuff isn't getting legislated away so we are just trying to make do with the resources we have.
I think everyone (especially teachers) should know how to "stop the bleed" independent of shootings. It's just good information to know. Whether it be car accidents, every day accidents, freak accidents, etc. knowing how and when to use a tourniquet, chest seals, wound packing, etc. is essential for everyone imo. It's a shame that "stop the bleed" and CPR, etc. are not taught in schools as basic curriculum (again, even if school shootings weren't even a thing). Just like how everyone should know the basics of putting out a fire and how to operate a fire extinguisher.
A 20-min presentation with 10 minutes of practice. Its not a lot but it doesnt take long to talk about packing a wound and wrapping tourniquets and practicing that on each other/on mannequins. Theres also some info about how treating wounds on children might be different. For example babies dont get their wounds packed because they're so small. They just get wrapped.
Edit for additional info because im an educator and cant help it: gunshots typically create an entrance and exit wound, so after packing a visible gunshot wound, look on the opposite side of the body to pack and dress the exit wound.
Tourniquets are no longer expected to 100% result in the loss of limb, its like 50 or 30% so you dont have to worry about it as much.
In an emergency situation, fabric is better for wound packing than dissolvable materials such as tissues or paper towels.
The fact that you have to learn this instead of something more beneficial to your student’s learning is infuriating. And it sucks because it’s not going to change at all and another teacher will eventually be in that horrible situation again
A basic first aid course is absolutely vital knowledge for any human being that lives or works near other human beings. The potential benefit far outweighs the cost in time.
I'd be in favor of having teachers trained in first aid even if school shootings stopped tomorrow.
First aid is very different than GSW aid. Yes, teachers should be first aid certified. Kids get cuts and scrapes and injuries all the time. They shouldn’t have to learn how to pack gunshot wounds on a child
Learning how to wrap a tourniquet or pack wounds has value outside of gunshot wounds, and takes genuinely less than an hour.
Kids don't usually have heart attacks, and teachers "shouldn't" have to provide lifesaving aid after cardiac arrest. Do you think that makes CPR somehow not a practical skill?
You'd be shocked how many lives could be saved on a daily basis if more people in general had first aid knowledge.
Yeah everyone should learn from Stop the Bleed. Lots of things can cause you to have an arterial bleed, not just gunshots. It’s pretty quick and simple training, too.
It’s rare, but the wrong fall on the playground could cause an arterial bleed.
A friend knicked his femoral falling out of a tree and being impaled on the way down. Fortunately another friend knew to jam his hand in there till help arrived.
Of course they shouldn’t but that’s the reality you live in in the US. Don’t wanna ban guns, fine (not really), but what excuse could you possibly have to not prepare yourself for these situations
Counter to your point, I think proper first aid should be taught regardless of whether or not mass murder is a thing. Bullets aren’t the only thing that can mortally wound you.
Wrapping wounds is basic first aid. I think we go through that to even get a drivers license here. I’m guessing it’s also a part of becoming a teacher here and I’m not sure we’ve ever had a school shooting.
I feel like the issue isn't so much that they didn't know how. But that they didn't or couldn't emotionally bring themselves to do it.... idk... I'd just find it hard to believe a teacher doesn't know how to tie a tourniquet
Really “everyone” should have minimum levels of competency here. Car accidents are a far more likely scenario where someone will need help like this. I’m glad there are more people out there trained
I'm sorry you guys have to go through this bullshit, its not fair.
The educational system truly has been abandoned by those who can actually reform things.
These kids need mental health support more than anything and the government seems to be doing literally everything EXCEPT that
Its so sad.
100% of victims would have survived if it never happened. Whenever you look at the details you forget the big picture. Kids aren’t meant to be shot. If they are I hope they all bleed out cos at least then people will take it seriously.
Have the same material as the wall overhang 24in on each side, flush with the ceiling? I doubt most rifles would be able to get through that. Or retrofit that part of the ceiling to be smooth.
I don't understand why people get mad about this sort of precaution. School shootings keep happening, and there is clearly not going to be regulations to stop it any time soon. If this saves even a single classroom of kids, as sad and stupid as it is to have it, it was worth it.
Are people mad at the precaution or the fact that this precaution was even thought of… crazy how times have changed so dramatically.
I went to grade school in the 90s… walking to and from the bus stop by myself at 7 yrs old was the norm…
Battle Royale over under 10 years
Mad because the school shootings keep happening it’s sad people have to applaud this shit instead of doing literally anything to stop gun violence or mental health decline of students
I'm mad because guns are apparently more important than children being ripped apart by bullets while trying to get an education.
We need to repeal the 2nd amendment. Guns have no place in a civilized society
>We need to repeal the 2nd amendment.
I laugh every time someone says this. There are 393m (known) guns in civilian ownership in the United States. Please tell me how you will take them from the people who were willing to burn the country down over a $0.25 mask and a vaccine
I’m glad we have these for kids who will inevitably need them, it’s just exceptionally sad we need them at all. It’s an anger/sadness sort of like those “feel good” stories about a kid selling his toys to pay for his classmate’s school lunches, when you really have to wonder why that duty had to fall to a child in the first place.
My core problems:
- The same people who push for such measures are the ones who prevent attacking the real problems (gun regulation, social welfare, mental health...)
- Late Stage Capitalism turning distopian hell into business opportunities.
people get mad that this precaution has to be put in place.
school shootings are mostly a problem unique to the USA.
it's because rather than common sense gun legislature, half the country would rather keep all their guns and send out thoughts and prayers.
the fact that we've had to pivot as a society this many times in this many ways when the obvious solutions are gun control laws and handling the mental health crisis in america. that's what people are mad about.
do you really have trouble putting that all together?
people getting mad about its existence doesn't negate its usefulness or its future use. they're mad about the environment that has allowed for this type of precaution needing to be invented and implemented in the first place.
like.. ask any other civilized first world country how many school shootings they have to deal with. the fact that its been normalized to the point that people such as yourself can take your stance is what people should be angry about.
just my 2 cents.
Yeah, I understand that. But if, let's say you've got leaky pipes and someone says that the fix is a new bucket that empties itself when it's full, then you wouldn't call it a great solution.
Is it though? How much does it cost to outfit every room with these? How many books, materials, teacher salary does it take from each room? Is it really objectively better to worsen the education of every classroom everywhere in exchange for a few lives? How much does that loss in education cost later in lives? How many students don’t achieve what they could have? How many doctors, nurses, and scientists does this room cost?
Cos youre all a bunch of fucking idiots, literally. It’s like breeding sharks in your local beach then clapping cos someone put up a swimming net. No I’m not clapping. It just makes me angrier.
I'm one of those that feels you need an all-inclusive plan, whatever that means, as I don't know all the effective ways we can combat this, but this box room seems like a good start.
Even if regulations come into play it won't magically disappear all guns or rid the type of people that commit this sort of crime of the idea/want to do so.
Guns being lethal certainly makes it easier to get them but someone who is literally planning to die probably has the time and risk tolerance to attain one once they're not.
Kids aren’t buying guns. They’re normally stolen or taken from a family member. Any further regulations on gun control isnt gonna do anything aside from banning and confiscating them all together which will never happen. There’s already way too many guns , it wouldn’t be possible. IMO, if they legislate any further, criminals will be the only one with them. They’re not going through the background checks or any proposed quarterly training that I’ve seen suggested by others. I’m my state they have went the other direction. You don’t even have to have a concealed carry permit. It already saved me and my family’s life. This guy tried to steal my car at the gas station with my son and gf in it. The guy and his buddy took off immediately when I pulled out my pistol.
The gun control measures correlated with fewer mass shootings are mandatory licensing, registration, and training. As a gun owner I support all of this. I hate when idiots own guns and don't know how to use them safely.
School shootings are one of the rarest threats to the lives of children. The car ride on the way to school is a bigger threat to children than school shootings.
Imagine doing this instead of addressing why kids are actually shooting up schools. Teachers should be smart enough to know this is only treating the symptom, not the cause.
Find out why teens are going mental and you have the root cause. I'm sure it's not the endless assortment of pharmaceutical drugs, social media and junk food.. couldn't be..
There's mountains of gun legislation. Maybe we should actually start addressing the real problem which is why we have mostly mentally ill teenagers blasting up schools. What is the government doing to improve our children's mental health? How is the government fighting against cyberbullying which continues to plague our kids? We as a society aren't doing much better since we allow our kids to use social media which has shown to have a HUGE negative impact on mental health. Our country has a lot of problems and all it's done is just continuously add gun legislation and be surprised when that doesn't work
It's really funny how the general public and schooling system needs to develop defence mechanisms to watch their own skin because the government is too busy measuring dicks
Easier to do absolutely everything other than gun reform here in the U.S. Required bullet proof vests for kids at school are more likely to get approved than reforming gun laws.
because we have a disgusting culture surrounding firearms and an entire political party that it's beholden to the NRA and unwilling to make any legislative changes.
Instead of making comments on guns, how about you shift focus on specifically how much more security our politicians have than our children. Why is that? Do you think it wouldn’t be affordable? Would it be scary? What efforts are there to ensure that schools and public areas are guarded and secured, why is it that these areas are seemingly the most vulnerable? I can’t wait for people to downvote me because they think the only solution is to take guns away from law abiding citizens. I agree it’s sad that these measures must be taken and probably aren’t enough, but open your perspective a bit. Your government officials that you may or may not have voted for haven’t actually done a damn thing about it. They don’t have your best interests at heart. A turtle is more likely to get bit than a porcupine.
you're more likely to be a struck by lightning, versus be in a mass shooting. the media has tricked you into thinking it happens way more than it actually does.
I pointed this out before but;
1. If the gunman knows about these he just has to go to an unoccupied room and set up a fortified position in the bullet proof piece of cover. And that is IF he hasn't caught a room off guard or mid transition and just takes some of the class hostage after wasting most of them.
And
2. Mustard gas is easy and cheap to make. Imagine if a gunman anticipates this defense and just gases the class while waiting to see if any leave it from a vantage point outside of it. This is dystopian and stupid.
What's the solution? There are always work arounds, and we can what if the limitless possibilities all day. It's the sickening realization that there is no good solution to this. Any solution is just a solution right now. What we can go off if is what has happened so far. Very few chemical attacks involved with school shootings and not many instances of the shooters hunkering down. Most of them wander and get what they can.
OR! Make it harder to get a hold of guns? No? Who cares if kids die as long as they aren't yours or you don't know them? Oh ok. But you're worried about "the great white replacement" yet you're unwilling to stop white kids from dying needlessly? Interesting.
Conservatives: “no we don’t want gun control, no we don’t want to fund education, no we don’t want to address mental health.”
Also conservatives: “let’s put bulletproof fortresses in classrooms!!!!!”
Because it's easier than addressing decades of poor attitude towards mental health that stops people from reaching out until it's too late and others from reporting the red flags.
It's important and good that we all stay aware, cautious and have things that will keep us safe.
But it's depressing that we *need* those things because there are monsters among us.
Because school shootings are on the rise and whether we like it or not this is the state if the world for our children. We have bullet proof backpacks too. I'm always so worried about this happening at my kids school.
Grab a desk. Pop out one of those ceiling tiles that just sit there and boom. Fish in a barrel…can we start saying kids in a classroom as a substitute for that?
Yep, I’m a teacher and the community never stopped asking, how can we get enough cash into the district’s hands to make dozens and dozens of big ticket purchases
Every time this is posted this gets pointed out this is a tech company that wanted to make money off of defense contracts you know the $75,000 it takes to install this it was never put into classes and was laughed out of
"fuck! We forgot to build a door!"
Josh: Oh do Yaaahh
And what about the fucking ceiling tiles
My first thought is how long before they just go over the top. Fish in a barrel.
"Fish in a barrel" is such a terrifying way to phrase it, though not inaccurate
Exaclty my thought
Gun laws and politics aside, no classroom I've ever been in had enough empty space for that shit lol.
Seriously, do they expect this also fitting in a trailer? Almost all of the electives I took at one high school were in trailers
Am a teacher. This year our district made a huge push to get staff "stop the bleed" certified. Basically knowing how to stop medium to large wounds bleeding. Apparently a study said that 70% of sandy hook victims would have survived if they had proper first aid treatment. Aka they basically bled out and would have survived if they had their wounds wrapped properly. This stuff isn't getting legislated away so we are just trying to make do with the resources we have.
I mean, I guess the training would help if the adults survived or weren’t seriously wounded as well. Training only works if you’re alive and capable.
It also only works if you get training!
I think everyone (especially teachers) should know how to "stop the bleed" independent of shootings. It's just good information to know. Whether it be car accidents, every day accidents, freak accidents, etc. knowing how and when to use a tourniquet, chest seals, wound packing, etc. is essential for everyone imo. It's a shame that "stop the bleed" and CPR, etc. are not taught in schools as basic curriculum (again, even if school shootings weren't even a thing). Just like how everyone should know the basics of putting out a fire and how to operate a fire extinguisher.
what kind of training is required to get certified?
A 20-min presentation with 10 minutes of practice. Its not a lot but it doesnt take long to talk about packing a wound and wrapping tourniquets and practicing that on each other/on mannequins. Theres also some info about how treating wounds on children might be different. For example babies dont get their wounds packed because they're so small. They just get wrapped. Edit for additional info because im an educator and cant help it: gunshots typically create an entrance and exit wound, so after packing a visible gunshot wound, look on the opposite side of the body to pack and dress the exit wound. Tourniquets are no longer expected to 100% result in the loss of limb, its like 50 or 30% so you dont have to worry about it as much. In an emergency situation, fabric is better for wound packing than dissolvable materials such as tissues or paper towels.
The fact that you have to learn this instead of something more beneficial to your student’s learning is infuriating. And it sucks because it’s not going to change at all and another teacher will eventually be in that horrible situation again
A basic first aid course is absolutely vital knowledge for any human being that lives or works near other human beings. The potential benefit far outweighs the cost in time. I'd be in favor of having teachers trained in first aid even if school shootings stopped tomorrow.
First aid is very different than GSW aid. Yes, teachers should be first aid certified. Kids get cuts and scrapes and injuries all the time. They shouldn’t have to learn how to pack gunshot wounds on a child
Learning how to wrap a tourniquet or pack wounds has value outside of gunshot wounds, and takes genuinely less than an hour. Kids don't usually have heart attacks, and teachers "shouldn't" have to provide lifesaving aid after cardiac arrest. Do you think that makes CPR somehow not a practical skill? You'd be shocked how many lives could be saved on a daily basis if more people in general had first aid knowledge.
Yeah everyone should learn from Stop the Bleed. Lots of things can cause you to have an arterial bleed, not just gunshots. It’s pretty quick and simple training, too.
It’s rare, but the wrong fall on the playground could cause an arterial bleed. A friend knicked his femoral falling out of a tree and being impaled on the way down. Fortunately another friend knew to jam his hand in there till help arrived.
Of course they shouldn’t but that’s the reality you live in in the US. Don’t wanna ban guns, fine (not really), but what excuse could you possibly have to not prepare yourself for these situations
Counter to your point, I think proper first aid should be taught regardless of whether or not mass murder is a thing. Bullets aren’t the only thing that can mortally wound you.
Wrapping wounds is basic first aid. I think we go through that to even get a drivers license here. I’m guessing it’s also a part of becoming a teacher here and I’m not sure we’ve ever had a school shooting.
I’m an EMT and stop the bleed. It’s about 45 minutes. Mostly actively learning to pack wounds and apply tourniquets
Meanwhile at Uvalde, parents needed to submit DNA samples as some children were unrecognizable after the shooting
I feel like the issue isn't so much that they didn't know how. But that they didn't or couldn't emotionally bring themselves to do it.... idk... I'd just find it hard to believe a teacher doesn't know how to tie a tourniquet
Really “everyone” should have minimum levels of competency here. Car accidents are a far more likely scenario where someone will need help like this. I’m glad there are more people out there trained
>This stuff isn't getting legislated away How do you legislate away bullying?
I'm sorry you guys have to go through this bullshit, its not fair. The educational system truly has been abandoned by those who can actually reform things. These kids need mental health support more than anything and the government seems to be doing literally everything EXCEPT that Its so sad.
100% of victims would have survived if it never happened. Whenever you look at the details you forget the big picture. Kids aren’t meant to be shot. If they are I hope they all bleed out cos at least then people will take it seriously.
Every time this video pops up, someone always gotta point out. There's no ceiling. And that's just drop tiles.
Yeah massive oversight. How could we fix that?
Have the same material as the wall overhang 24in on each side, flush with the ceiling? I doubt most rifles would be able to get through that. Or retrofit that part of the ceiling to be smooth.
I think maybe making deadly weapons less available would be the easiest fix. But I am European so I know nothing of firearms.
No they need them to defend themselves duh.
Better gun legislation probably
Stop killing kids in their classrooms
Or a penny on the floor would stop the wheel, similar to a pallet jack
Bro would have to build a whole staircase out of desks.
What do you expect to happen?
Stop pointing that out!!!
Are Americans able to buy grenades as easily as they buy guns?
Neat, is it for the cops to hide in?
No they’re outside.
What if he pulls out the gun after he gets inside?
Well I guess he can’t kill them all if he’s trapped in there
If I was him, I’d simply push it back against the wall crushing everyone inside
Why would they be going inside in the first place? You’ve got an egg but no chicken. Or is it a chicken but no egg?
Is it great to have for safety? Yeahh. Is it great to have knowin the threat is so great you need a safe room in the corner? Nope
I don't understand why people get mad about this sort of precaution. School shootings keep happening, and there is clearly not going to be regulations to stop it any time soon. If this saves even a single classroom of kids, as sad and stupid as it is to have it, it was worth it.
Are people mad at the precaution or the fact that this precaution was even thought of… crazy how times have changed so dramatically. I went to grade school in the 90s… walking to and from the bus stop by myself at 7 yrs old was the norm… Battle Royale over under 10 years
Dude, 7 year olds travel a mile or so on their bike to school alone here as the norm NOW (the Netherlands) and it's very safe.
Same in Australia man
I don’t think people are mad at precautions. People are mad that the US is a place that needs those precautions in the first place.
Mad because the school shootings keep happening it’s sad people have to applaud this shit instead of doing literally anything to stop gun violence or mental health decline of students
I'm mad because guns are apparently more important than children being ripped apart by bullets while trying to get an education. We need to repeal the 2nd amendment. Guns have no place in a civilized society
Repealing the amendment won’t do anything. Over 40 states have gun rights enshrined into their constitutions. Guns are NEVER going away.
> We need to repeal the 2nd amendment. Not ever going to happen - good luck with that thou
>We need to repeal the 2nd amendment. I laugh every time someone says this. There are 393m (known) guns in civilian ownership in the United States. Please tell me how you will take them from the people who were willing to burn the country down over a $0.25 mask and a vaccine
I’m glad we have these for kids who will inevitably need them, it’s just exceptionally sad we need them at all. It’s an anger/sadness sort of like those “feel good” stories about a kid selling his toys to pay for his classmate’s school lunches, when you really have to wonder why that duty had to fall to a child in the first place.
My core problems: - The same people who push for such measures are the ones who prevent attacking the real problems (gun regulation, social welfare, mental health...) - Late Stage Capitalism turning distopian hell into business opportunities.
people get mad that this precaution has to be put in place. school shootings are mostly a problem unique to the USA. it's because rather than common sense gun legislature, half the country would rather keep all their guns and send out thoughts and prayers. the fact that we've had to pivot as a society this many times in this many ways when the obvious solutions are gun control laws and handling the mental health crisis in america. that's what people are mad about. do you really have trouble putting that all together? people getting mad about its existence doesn't negate its usefulness or its future use. they're mad about the environment that has allowed for this type of precaution needing to be invented and implemented in the first place. like.. ask any other civilized first world country how many school shootings they have to deal with. the fact that its been normalized to the point that people such as yourself can take your stance is what people should be angry about. just my 2 cents.
I don’t think they’re mad at this precautionary measure but more so about how we now live in a world where things are so fucked up that this exists.
I’m mad because it’s a waste of a tremendous amount of funds in an already struggling financial landscape for education.
Its just sad that we (as Americans) need something like this in the first place
Yeah, I understand that. But if, let's say you've got leaky pipes and someone says that the fix is a new bucket that empties itself when it's full, then you wouldn't call it a great solution.
Is it though? How much does it cost to outfit every room with these? How many books, materials, teacher salary does it take from each room? Is it really objectively better to worsen the education of every classroom everywhere in exchange for a few lives? How much does that loss in education cost later in lives? How many students don’t achieve what they could have? How many doctors, nurses, and scientists does this room cost?
Cos youre all a bunch of fucking idiots, literally. It’s like breeding sharks in your local beach then clapping cos someone put up a swimming net. No I’m not clapping. It just makes me angrier.
I don't think people are mad at the precaution, just the necessity.
I'm one of those that feels you need an all-inclusive plan, whatever that means, as I don't know all the effective ways we can combat this, but this box room seems like a good start.
Even if regulations come into play it won't magically disappear all guns or rid the type of people that commit this sort of crime of the idea/want to do so. Guns being lethal certainly makes it easier to get them but someone who is literally planning to die probably has the time and risk tolerance to attain one once they're not.
There are regulations. The problem is that insane people don’t care.
Absolutely not bein tryna be a dick with this question. What regulations would you think helps stop kids from buyin guns and killin kids?
Kids aren’t buying guns. They’re normally stolen or taken from a family member. Any further regulations on gun control isnt gonna do anything aside from banning and confiscating them all together which will never happen. There’s already way too many guns , it wouldn’t be possible. IMO, if they legislate any further, criminals will be the only one with them. They’re not going through the background checks or any proposed quarterly training that I’ve seen suggested by others. I’m my state they have went the other direction. You don’t even have to have a concealed carry permit. It already saved me and my family’s life. This guy tried to steal my car at the gas station with my son and gf in it. The guy and his buddy took off immediately when I pulled out my pistol.
I completely agree
The gun control measures correlated with fewer mass shootings are mandatory licensing, registration, and training. As a gun owner I support all of this. I hate when idiots own guns and don't know how to use them safely.
I get mad because I can't imagine looking at the whiteboard or maybe just a corner of the room and being constantly reminded that you are unsafe here.
School shootings are one of the rarest threats to the lives of children. The car ride on the way to school is a bigger threat to children than school shootings.
this shouldn’t even have to be a thing
Imagine doing this instead of addressing why kids are actually shooting up schools. Teachers should be smart enough to know this is only treating the symptom, not the cause. Find out why teens are going mental and you have the root cause. I'm sure it's not the endless assortment of pharmaceutical drugs, social media and junk food.. couldn't be..
I'm sure the teachers know that it's only treating the symptom. Unfortunately they aren't the ones making the laws.
Teachers barely get paid a living wage as it is. What are they honestly going to be able to do to changes the stupid gun laws?
I feel like a pretty major reason is also the USA's batshit insane gun culture
They really would do literally anything else EXCEPT offer mental health support there, wouldn't they.
This makes money. The Vault-Tec way.
More like do anything besides gun legislation.
Gun legislation wouldn't do shit. People won't give them up willingly
We have plenty of legislation. It isn’t fixing the problem. Edit: for clarity. I apologize.
There's mountains of gun legislation. Maybe we should actually start addressing the real problem which is why we have mostly mentally ill teenagers blasting up schools. What is the government doing to improve our children's mental health? How is the government fighting against cyberbullying which continues to plague our kids? We as a society aren't doing much better since we allow our kids to use social media which has shown to have a HUGE negative impact on mental health. Our country has a lot of problems and all it's done is just continuously add gun legislation and be surprised when that doesn't work
Drake, where's the door?
It's really funny how the general public and schooling system needs to develop defence mechanisms to watch their own skin because the government is too busy measuring dicks
They really would rather create bulletproof bunkers and literally anything else EXCEPT mental health support, huh.
Easier to do absolutely everything other than gun reform here in the U.S. Required bullet proof vests for kids at school are more likely to get approved than reforming gun laws.
So that entire corner of the room has to be empty? Why not just reinforce the door to the classroom?
I don't like the drop ceiling over it.
This absolutely belongs in r/OrphanCrushingMachine
I wonder if the same companies selling these for schools are the same ones selling guns
The fact that only one place on the planet needs this and refuses to change its views
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Does it have a roof or could they be accessed by the ceiling tiles?
because we have a disgusting culture surrounding firearms and an entire political party that it's beholden to the NRA and unwilling to make any legislative changes.
Instead of making comments on guns, how about you shift focus on specifically how much more security our politicians have than our children. Why is that? Do you think it wouldn’t be affordable? Would it be scary? What efforts are there to ensure that schools and public areas are guarded and secured, why is it that these areas are seemingly the most vulnerable? I can’t wait for people to downvote me because they think the only solution is to take guns away from law abiding citizens. I agree it’s sad that these measures must be taken and probably aren’t enough, but open your perspective a bit. Your government officials that you may or may not have voted for haven’t actually done a damn thing about it. They don’t have your best interests at heart. A turtle is more likely to get bit than a porcupine.
America will do everything except introduce stronger gun laws like the rest of the world
America, get your shit together.
Just arm all the teachers
Siege Thermite moment
Ladder, roof, grenade
Why would we not want to protect kids?
Maybe arm the kids so they can protect themselves. I mean, it's gotta work better than this.
Need to look at the root cause.
We get more jobs/money for the defence companies AND keep our guns! - America 🇺🇸
Should paint a big middle finger on the outside of it
We don’t need them, but a salesman will sell them to school districts using fear
Fucking America...
Because of the NRA and late stage capitalism that would rather make money off the problem than fix it.
how is late stage capitalism and the NRA making a profit off school shootings?
Poor kid using the washroom ig
too bad they didnt do anything with the ceiling, grab a chair, pop off the ceiling tiles, and its fish in a barrel
you're more likely to be a struck by lightning, versus be in a mass shooting. the media has tricked you into thinking it happens way more than it actually does.
I pointed this out before but; 1. If the gunman knows about these he just has to go to an unoccupied room and set up a fortified position in the bullet proof piece of cover. And that is IF he hasn't caught a room off guard or mid transition and just takes some of the class hostage after wasting most of them. And 2. Mustard gas is easy and cheap to make. Imagine if a gunman anticipates this defense and just gases the class while waiting to see if any leave it from a vantage point outside of it. This is dystopian and stupid.
What's the solution? There are always work arounds, and we can what if the limitless possibilities all day. It's the sickening realization that there is no good solution to this. Any solution is just a solution right now. What we can go off if is what has happened so far. Very few chemical attacks involved with school shootings and not many instances of the shooters hunkering down. Most of them wander and get what they can.
It’s sad cringe to protect our children from shooters😭
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Just wondering, what do you think 'fully automatic' means?
"It's that easy" ... The collapse of a society :(
Because we haven’t given the teachers and hall monitors guns yet!!…
Why do we need police or alarm systems?!
OR! Make it harder to get a hold of guns? No? Who cares if kids die as long as they aren't yours or you don't know them? Oh ok. But you're worried about "the great white replacement" yet you're unwilling to stop white kids from dying needlessly? Interesting.
Really, America??? REALLY???????
Conservatives: “no we don’t want gun control, no we don’t want to fund education, no we don’t want to address mental health.” Also conservatives: “let’s put bulletproof fortresses in classrooms!!!!!”
Now that's American freedom
Because the government hates us And obviously wishes us dead
Obvious flaw are the the ceiling tiles, before they spend tax dollars for a fish in the barrel situation, please fix
Because it's easier than addressing decades of poor attitude towards mental health that stops people from reaching out until it's too late and others from reporting the red flags.
“A real big fucking hole coming right up”
Because the military industrial complex must continue
It's important and good that we all stay aware, cautious and have things that will keep us safe. But it's depressing that we *need* those things because there are monsters among us.
This makes me unbelievably sad
Because school shootings are on the rise and whether we like it or not this is the state if the world for our children. We have bullet proof backpacks too. I'm always so worried about this happening at my kids school.
we *shouldnt* need these
How amazing is Burgerland
Grab a desk. Pop out one of those ceiling tiles that just sit there and boom. Fish in a barrel…can we start saying kids in a classroom as a substitute for that?
You say "we" as if the rest of us live in the US 🤣 "If you could stop shooting for a minute while I pull this safety room out that'd be great."
Is the classroom ceiling solid and/or does that thing have a roof?
Yep, I’m a teacher and the community never stopped asking, how can we get enough cash into the district’s hands to make dozens and dozens of big ticket purchases
Because most of your nation is brainwashed slaves to the NRA and the military industrial complex.
Is this a serious question OP or are you saying this like to the people who shout up schools or something?
Stack a table or two and go through the acoustic panel ceiling.
This is America
Fucking idiots
Because it’s easier than gun control.
If they want to get in that drop ceiling is not protecting anyone.
and they even made money oput of this fucking disaster, murcia is so dystopian
Because America prioritize guns more than mental health.
You know why you need these
Jesus Christ. Anything to save some peoples’ hobby
How many people are dead by the time the teacher can get that thing unfolded and everyone inside?
Kind of like the boys hostel in India that removed ceiling fans because of increasing suicides amongst the residents.
I hate that this is even a thing.
Chuckling about an add-on to not have your children murdered in a way the rest of the modern world can't even comprehend
Ah nice. Would be easier to ban guns though surely?
The reason American schools need those is because too many people love guns more than other people’s kids.
Because this is a better option than actually addressing the problem?
Every time this is posted this gets pointed out this is a tech company that wanted to make money off of defense contracts you know the $75,000 it takes to install this it was never put into classes and was laughed out of
How long before a middle school locks himself in there
For a fraction of the money sent to Ukraine and Israel we could put an armed guard at every school in the country
Because you insist on giving automatic weapons to any moron who wants it, hope this helps 😊
Even if nothing progressive happens legislatively, wouldn't it be easier to get a solid door wedge that prevents the door being opened from outside?
But they still can’t put metal detectors ?
Because people with severe mental illnesses carry guns
Can someone give me some proof that this is real? I know people are stupid, but Christ, you can just reinforce the door.
Land of the miserable, home of the dead 🎶
Republicans