So weird how streets tend to be cleaner with trash cans, it's like if you put them there people throw trash away and streets are cleaner.
(One of the shocking things coming from Europe was seeing all the dirty SF streets and then we realized it's because there aren't enough trash cans)
Another shocking thing is how clean mega cities like Tokyo are with few public trash cans.
Life would be so much better if everyone could behave themselves like the Japanese.
I don't see anything there about removing public trash cans.
What I've been informed was that there was a terrorizing group that placed bombs in the public trash cans. Was it this group?
>this attack was the reason why Tokyo started removing trash cans
It was at least *part* of the reason, perhaps ... but it comes down to public safety, and people doing dumb things with these sorts of receptacles.
It's also much more widely distributed than just Tokyo, and stretches throughout Jaoan.
Just look at the Bart station. They have a trash can on the station but people still can't be bothered to throw trash there and instead leave her on seats or ground.
Image for a second if people could just be civilized to not turn to the city/state to clean up all their messes nonstop... what a utopia we'd have.
See it works both ways. Even though both are stupid.
No "policing" necessary ... you just need a culture that is self-respecting enough to dispose of their own refuse, properly.
Here, people toss shit out car windows just because they don't want it in their own vehicle long enough to get to their destinations. That's pretty much a big FU to *everyone else* in that part of the world.
The reason there are few trash bins is because people dump all kinds of stuff around them. Believe me, after they took away 1 near my apartment, all the dumping stopped, and the street is actually cleaner.
Probably because they live on the street and their life is hell. I can imagine not having shelter or food and living in filth and being surrounded by wealthy people in designer clothes walking around with shopping bags and happy families… it’d probably make me insane enough to do shit like this too
So you think it was a drug user with a home to go to? Or that drug users who do this kind of stuff don’t have any reason to do them other than the fact that they’re on drugs?
I think you should think deeper into it rather than just assume people do bad things for no reason
I think it was a drug user who got so high on fetty or whatever that he couldn’t tell his face from his ass if his life depended on it. You see them every night down at 7th and Market.
And this is why shit like this constantly happens in SF and other ultra liberal cities.
What you permit, you encourage.
You've already fabricated an entire story in your head where the arson is some down on their luck dude that didn't get a fair shake.
As if any pathetic little weasel excuse you make is any justification at all. Get real dude. Bad people exist. It's people like you thay empower and encourage them.
Now you’re the one fabricating stories about me 😂 a reason does not equal an excuse or justification.
No one knows, to my knowledge, exactly what happened. I was just offering my perspective, not stating it as fact, and nowhere in my comments did I say that it was okay or that the perpetrators shouldn’t be punished.
If you go through life without ever considering the nuance of why people do what they do, you’ll just assume the whole world is crazy.
Most people do things for a reason, and understanding that reason gets you closer to finding solutions to problems like these, and at the very least helps you appreciate what you have and keeps you from being whiny and miserable.
I usually stay away from comments that include swearing 🤬. Having lived as wealthy person, and then all the way down to car living, I can say that indeed, it would make you crazy.
And before people try to pin it on drugs, or some lack of educational background: in our case, that wasn't it, at all. I'm neither an addict, nor uneducated.
Believe it or not some people are genuinely on hard times, out of their control.
Lol thank you. And people take my comment to mean I’m defending them or something. I’m not, I’m just offering insight into why someone might feel that way. A reason isn’t an excuse.
Not my meaning either. It just happens. When you get boxed in to a regular parking spot, yet again, you might open your door a few times, harder than you should. That happens even when you aren't trying to just survive. You just get way worn out. (this was many years ago now.)
This shouldn’t be downvoted as much as it is imo. I agree with replies that it’s almost certainly an addict doing this, but we need to get smarter at treating them for all our sakes. Like intelligently using suboxone and other methods to get these people their humanity back. With the added bonus of fewer flaming trash cans.
Thanks. People are just upset (rightfully so) and they think I’m defending behavior like this when that’s not what I’m doing at all.
But it feels better to be blindly mad about things than it does to try to figure out why such things happen.
Yeah, that life looks like hell. I can’t imagine being ignored by thousands of people a day while starving, suffering and even dying on the hard sidewalk. Sorry you’re getting so many downvotes. SF used to be a much more compassionate place but something happened 20 some odd years ago and the populace has gotten a lot colder and crueler to our poor and homeless neighbors
There are SO many resources in this city for them.
One of these people just shoved a woman into a train, killing her, and you’re calling for more compassion? How about some compassion for the tax payers being terrorized?
This is a deeper systemic issue. I’m glad you get paid well. It’s a privilege. Not everyone has the support or skill set to understand they are worthy of more. This is conditioning at its root. Them is us. They are people. Sure, there are many resources, but how does one navigate them and receive consistent support to break out of the system that was built to keep them down? Think outside of yourself. We’re not all living in the same bubble.
Are you kidding me? There are outreach volunteers who approach every single one of these people and offer them help. They offer them resources. They refuse, because the worst ones don’t want help, they want to do drugs, and we can’t force them to accept help.
Most people don’t want to do drugs. It’s a coping mechanism. If you understand psychology, trauma, addiction and mental health it may give you a broader understanding of human behavior.
I was literally on Capp street working one day watching them pick thru to-go boxes of charcuterie with arugula salad like drunk toddlers…and then promptly left the trash everywhere
I came here to say this. A power pylon by Octavia on-ramp was on fire yesterday and the folks in the area were talking about some dude who hopped the fence into that parklet to do it. Day before there was a fire in soma and my friend’s building smelled like burning plastic.
umm about ten cop cars just went down Bush with lights? Could that be related to this or is everyone just popping off tonight? No firetrucks tho so maybe unrelated.
Very much so. I'm not some bloke. When I called them the dispatcher told me they already had SFFD coming but she did ask me how many bins were on fire.
Thanks for the sincere answer. I was making a bad joke about how the Supreme Court ruled that the president can now legally break criminal law.
So, in the U.S. the Purge is real... at least for the President.
Yeah, I felt dumb too when I watched this back. I don't know why I called them fire bins. I even called them fire bins on the phone with the 911 dispatcher 😂
Recently our kid was talking about our old stolen catalytic converter and called it a particle accelerator. Incidentally, she wasn't completely wrong, given its purpose. Same with the water hat.
As someone who’s not from here, the juxtaposition of crazy leading edge tech being developed and at the same time fucking medieval crimes are occurring all around the city.
There are so many existing laws (e.g. “no smoking crack on main street”, “no selling fentanyl”) and everyone just throws their hands up like “how ever will we solve this? We’ll need to criminalize homelessness”
Just enforce the existing freaking laws!
Not having kids. More concerned about the immediate safety of not burning to death.
We’re pretty safe from SCOTUS bullshit in this city anyway. Know what we’re not safe from? Homeless arsonists burning down our old ass buildings.
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Don't forget that we give shelters but you need to fallow rules.... they choose to be in the street we can't force them to sheltered even been for my eyes the most need people for help they don't want. They need to be relocated. They don't fit on our box anymore. They can't be clean and work 8-5 job. They get rights so do I hope London wake-up and do what she promised
How is it I can never find a trash can when I need one, and here are 12 on fire on a single block?!
So weird how streets tend to be cleaner with trash cans, it's like if you put them there people throw trash away and streets are cleaner. (One of the shocking things coming from Europe was seeing all the dirty SF streets and then we realized it's because there aren't enough trash cans)
Another shocking thing is how clean mega cities like Tokyo are with few public trash cans. Life would be so much better if everyone could behave themselves like the Japanese.
Iirc, Japan removed many of their public trash cans because of something similar to what we see here.
Not exactly… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack
>Not exactly… Domestic Terrorism =~ Public Safety So, rough equivalence, perhaps? But it's a but of a slippery slope, anyway.
I don't see anything there about removing public trash cans. What I've been informed was that there was a terrorizing group that placed bombs in the public trash cans. Was it this group?
It might not be mentioned in the wiki article, but this attack was the reason why Tokyo started removing trash cans
>this attack was the reason why Tokyo started removing trash cans It was at least *part* of the reason, perhaps ... but it comes down to public safety, and people doing dumb things with these sorts of receptacles. It's also much more widely distributed than just Tokyo, and stretches throughout Jaoan.
Say that to the Chinese in the early decades of the last century.
I was just about to mention that, not to be a contrarian, but to caution people to never put any culture or country on a pedestal.
I think it’s more about the culture. Japan doesn’t have trash cans in streets, people just take their trash home with them.
Just look at the Bart station. They have a trash can on the station but people still can't be bothered to throw trash there and instead leave her on seats or ground.
And Americans, traveling in Jaoan, will leave their trash on the sidewalk, anyway (I've sadly *seen it* happen).
Still need workers to empty the cans on a more than daily basis because they fill up pretty damn quick. The city won't pay for all that.
imagine for a second.... that the city paid enough janitors to keep it clean. wow wtf holy..... what a utopia we'd have
Image for a second if people could just be civilized to not turn to the city/state to clean up all their messes nonstop... what a utopia we'd have. See it works both ways. Even though both are stupid.
what's more realistic? policing the behavior of an entire civilization or hiring enough janitors to clean up the mess?
No "policing" necessary ... you just need a culture that is self-respecting enough to dispose of their own refuse, properly. Here, people toss shit out car windows just because they don't want it in their own vehicle long enough to get to their destinations. That's pretty much a big FU to *everyone else* in that part of the world.
Probably the former because fines can pay for salaries for those people who hand out the fines.
The reason there are few trash bins is because people dump all kinds of stuff around them. Believe me, after they took away 1 near my apartment, all the dumping stopped, and the street is actually cleaner.
They moved em all here
I think the reason the city takes them away is people dump trash like furniture and mattresses near them than disposing them the right way.
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Gondor calls for aid!
And Oakland will answer!
I’m relieved that the beacon of Coit Tower didn’t get lit!
"There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world."
Okay that legitimately made me LOL.
Wait, so if I see this from the Berkeley hills, am I supposed to come help?
Aaahhnnnnduh row-hunn wool uhnsuh
I love SF so much…why do some people insist on ruining it for everyone else
combination of meth and fentanyl
Metonyl?
Don’t give the Sackler family any ideas
Laughing and crying.
This whole thread is gold
Lol! 
Crystal Methony
The highschool homecoming queen?
Fentamphetamine?
Combination of lunatics roaming the streets and their apologists
But an upper and a downer cancels out the high! They’re doing it all wrong.
Homeless
So many resources with strings attached that are proven prevent people from accessing them
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because domestic terrorism.
Probably because they live on the street and their life is hell. I can imagine not having shelter or food and living in filth and being surrounded by wealthy people in designer clothes walking around with shopping bags and happy families… it’d probably make me insane enough to do shit like this too
I’m sorry, you think a sober person did this?
What does being sober have to do with it?
This was almost certainly done by someone high on drugs, not just a person resentful of wealthy people or whatever.
So you think it was a drug user with a home to go to? Or that drug users who do this kind of stuff don’t have any reason to do them other than the fact that they’re on drugs? I think you should think deeper into it rather than just assume people do bad things for no reason
I think it was a drug user who got so high on fetty or whatever that he couldn’t tell his face from his ass if his life depended on it. You see them every night down at 7th and Market.
People do bad things for no reason all of the time.
People also do bad things for a reason all the time. Assuming the former gets you nowhere, assuming the latter is more productive
And this is why shit like this constantly happens in SF and other ultra liberal cities. What you permit, you encourage. You've already fabricated an entire story in your head where the arson is some down on their luck dude that didn't get a fair shake. As if any pathetic little weasel excuse you make is any justification at all. Get real dude. Bad people exist. It's people like you thay empower and encourage them.
Now you’re the one fabricating stories about me 😂 a reason does not equal an excuse or justification. No one knows, to my knowledge, exactly what happened. I was just offering my perspective, not stating it as fact, and nowhere in my comments did I say that it was okay or that the perpetrators shouldn’t be punished. If you go through life without ever considering the nuance of why people do what they do, you’ll just assume the whole world is crazy. Most people do things for a reason, and understanding that reason gets you closer to finding solutions to problems like these, and at the very least helps you appreciate what you have and keeps you from being whiny and miserable.
I usually stay away from comments that include swearing 🤬. Having lived as wealthy person, and then all the way down to car living, I can say that indeed, it would make you crazy. And before people try to pin it on drugs, or some lack of educational background: in our case, that wasn't it, at all. I'm neither an addict, nor uneducated. Believe it or not some people are genuinely on hard times, out of their control.
Lol thank you. And people take my comment to mean I’m defending them or something. I’m not, I’m just offering insight into why someone might feel that way. A reason isn’t an excuse.
Not my meaning either. It just happens. When you get boxed in to a regular parking spot, yet again, you might open your door a few times, harder than you should. That happens even when you aren't trying to just survive. You just get way worn out. (this was many years ago now.)
Exactly!
This shouldn’t be downvoted as much as it is imo. I agree with replies that it’s almost certainly an addict doing this, but we need to get smarter at treating them for all our sakes. Like intelligently using suboxone and other methods to get these people their humanity back. With the added bonus of fewer flaming trash cans.
Thanks. People are just upset (rightfully so) and they think I’m defending behavior like this when that’s not what I’m doing at all. But it feels better to be blindly mad about things than it does to try to figure out why such things happen.
Yeah, that life looks like hell. I can’t imagine being ignored by thousands of people a day while starving, suffering and even dying on the hard sidewalk. Sorry you’re getting so many downvotes. SF used to be a much more compassionate place but something happened 20 some odd years ago and the populace has gotten a lot colder and crueler to our poor and homeless neighbors
There are SO many resources in this city for them. One of these people just shoved a woman into a train, killing her, and you’re calling for more compassion? How about some compassion for the tax payers being terrorized?
This is a deeper systemic issue. I’m glad you get paid well. It’s a privilege. Not everyone has the support or skill set to understand they are worthy of more. This is conditioning at its root. Them is us. They are people. Sure, there are many resources, but how does one navigate them and receive consistent support to break out of the system that was built to keep them down? Think outside of yourself. We’re not all living in the same bubble.
Are you kidding me? There are outreach volunteers who approach every single one of these people and offer them help. They offer them resources. They refuse, because the worst ones don’t want help, they want to do drugs, and we can’t force them to accept help.
If your curious check out [In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts by Gabor Maté](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/617702)
Most people don’t want to do drugs. It’s a coping mechanism. If you understand psychology, trauma, addiction and mental health it may give you a broader understanding of human behavior.
Bring back forced institutionalization then. We cannot currently force people to accept the help available to them.
It’s sad to see how many careless and entitled people are commenting.
Yeah, the exact element I was referring to that moved into SF over the past 20 years- entitled, judgmental and ignorant
None are starving, they get constant free food drop offs…sometimes from some fairly high end restaurants.
I was literally on Capp street working one day watching them pick thru to-go boxes of charcuterie with arugula salad like drunk toddlers…and then promptly left the trash everywhere
Oh, well then, you saw something 1 night so everyone living on the streets in SF must be living like kings
Didn’t say they’re living like kings…but they’re def not hungry
Also not one day....I work in these shit areas a lot…I see a lot of stuff that may surprise you
I’ve lived here for 40 years so I’ve seen a lot more
Cool. Congrats
Same to you
I’m with you. Seems group think got you downvoted. As a former homeless and high net earner your point is valid.
> as a former homeless Sure, Jan.
Fire in Golden Gate Park yesterday, fire in McLaren Park today and now this.
Brush fire next to general hospital as well today.
From fireworks if I understood correctly
A few trash cans were lit on fire and melted down earlier in the week in Hayes Valley too.
There might be a firebug in our town.
Yes, a bunch were lit on fire at ocean beach and in ggp. I think there is an arsonist
I came here to say this. A power pylon by Octavia on-ramp was on fire yesterday and the folks in the area were talking about some dude who hopped the fence into that parklet to do it. Day before there was a fire in soma and my friend’s building smelled like burning plastic.
So lame. I hope they catch them
Yesterday it smelled like fire outside
Trash cans in the sunset set on fire this week too!
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That's gotta be like a billion dollars on fire.
Found London Breed's account
Next week: “SF plans to upgrade its trash cans.” (*London Breed’s bestie gets the contract) “Each barrel cost $6M.”
‘Cuz their self-extinguishing
This is fine
This is fire
THE BEACONS
WTF?!! I hope there's video of the perpetrator.
Why? Nothing will come of it
Maybe a fine they won’t pay, a court date they won’t show up to, and a warrant that won’t be enforced
They will, it’s a trashcan not a person in need of assistance.
umm about ten cop cars just went down Bush with lights? Could that be related to this or is everyone just popping off tonight? No firetrucks tho so maybe unrelated.
1/2 price flash sale at the donut shop
The lanterns are lit, their arrival is imminent!
It feels like we're living in parable of the sower more and more each day lol. Nightly notifications for "small street fires".
Ya. Call 911 before Reddit plz
Yes, yes I did
Arson
thanks, Captain Obvious
Thanks sir sarcastalot
Just some kids arson about.
Probably the homeless protesting the recent SCOTUS ruling
there are so many reasons thanks to those robed assbags
I hope you called 911 first
Very much so. I'm not some bloke. When I called them the dispatcher told me they already had SFFD coming but she did ask me how many bins were on fire.
And we yield more and more to the junkies. It's never enough.
Which junkies? Homeless street junkies or overwealthy power junkies?
Cartels, too. You're right
Firebug!
Side Show Santa Claus about to turn the corner
Dude, a ghost ride down that street, no other cars, with all the trash bins on fire... that'd be epic.
Trashcan Man origin story from The Stand, right on time
Oh man thanks for the flashback
For anyone wondering. YES. I did call 911 before making the video.
What day is Purge Day? I forgot…
Is Purge Day when you declare that one person can commit any crime legally?
Anybody can
Thanks for the sincere answer. I was making a bad joke about how the Supreme Court ruled that the president can now legally break criminal law. So, in the U.S. the Purge is real... at least for the President.
You explaining your bad joke somehow made it even worse. Lol
I blame you for making me explain it. (I am kidding. I am always happy when redditors correct wrong facts. Too much wrong info on the internet.)
How comforting
At least it saves the city time in picking up the trash.
Now, all of Chinatown knows you're here
Fire bins? Seems like they're doing what they're supposed to and putting the fire in the fire bins.
Yeah, I felt dumb too when I watched this back. I don't know why I called them fire bins. I even called them fire bins on the phone with the 911 dispatcher 😂
That’s ok. I forgot how to say “shower cap” and kept calling it a “water hat.”
Recently our kid was talking about our old stolen catalytic converter and called it a particle accelerator. Incidentally, she wasn't completely wrong, given its purpose. Same with the water hat.
Y'all are going to love /r/wildbeef
How long did it take for the fire department to arrive?
This is why we can’t have nice things.
90s is back in full swing!
someone set several electric scooters on fire last week in SOMA.
As someone who’s not from here, the juxtaposition of crazy leading edge tech being developed and at the same time fucking medieval crimes are occurring all around the city. There are so many existing laws (e.g. “no smoking crack on main street”, “no selling fentanyl”) and everyone just throws their hands up like “how ever will we solve this? We’ll need to criminalize homelessness” Just enforce the existing freaking laws!
I don't know about "leading edge tech" A lot of janky online advertising infrastructure/eyeball monetization and silly ventures that go nowhere, yeah
I hate to say it but we should have cameras everywhere and get the troublemakers of the streets.
It would be better to have cameras on supreme court judges and get those offenders off the streets
Doing both would be even better. A Supreme Court judge isn’t going to burn down my apartment building though.
Given the chance, six out of nine probably would.
Oh , but SCOTUS will burn down your life and your children’s children’s lives
Not having kids. More concerned about the immediate safety of not burning to death. We’re pretty safe from SCOTUS bullshit in this city anyway. Know what we’re not safe from? Homeless arsonists burning down our old ass buildings.
If you believe you are safe from SCOTUS you are wholly mistaken
I can walk and chew gum at the same time. Can you? And there is a more imminent danger here. The fucking arson.
😨
Jets landing in "Die Hard 2?"
Had to be Johnny Blaze
Happy 4th!
Someone introduced a little bit of chaos.
“Some pp, just wanna watch the world burn”
Oh look, the last three mayor’s legacies.
Looks like Gotham
Arsenio the Arsonist [https://x.com/friscolive415/status/1731472898114847091](https://x.com/friscolive415/status/1731472898114847091)
This is fine.
Thank god for the Grants Pass ruling honestly, fuckers set my apartment building on fire twice (once in Sacramento)
Don't be selling this video to fox news ;)
Watchdogs 2
Reminds me of Our Missing Hearts
Vote blue no matter who!
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Hobo bbq
Did you call ….
I did call the authorities before making the video
Escape from New York vibes.
Banksy at it again.
Don't forget that we give shelters but you need to fallow rules.... they choose to be in the street we can't force them to sheltered even been for my eyes the most need people for help they don't want. They need to be relocated. They don't fit on our box anymore. They can't be clean and work 8-5 job. They get rights so do I hope London wake-up and do what she promised
The need to bring back Harry Callaghan. this would never happen under his watch.
Yeah that seems about right for SF
And this would be why places like Tokyo have removed all public/street trash cans.
You stay classy San Francisco
That’s attempted terrorism
Lol that’s funny
SF is such a dumpster fire these days.
Time to have police instant arrest bankrupt who does. This ur a pos will be cuaght wr hate u :)