Well dude you gotta leave the yard. You also have to be able to talk to people, be funny, be proud of what you do, have goals, make money, be willing to ask people out, make events.
I mean it's a whole thing.
I already stated I left the yard and made friends.
But no, making money, pursuing goals (aside from sex), and all that other crap is not really compatible with going outside and such. Going outside is something you do instead of pursuing your goals and making money. And I asked two people out, both said yes, one I had a second date with, but neither times did sex happen.
Yeah because you're not doing shit with yourself except you think walking out the door is enough.
You gotta make moves and focus on that first, then it'll happen. Be someone. That's all. Just do literally anything to improve your standing, and don't get complacent, try harder to move up in the world.
WTF are you talking about. I said I attended events and made friends. Are you just intentionally ignoring this?
I asked people out and got dates but nothing happened.
Whatever that incoherent sentence means. Dude all I'm saying is just work on yourself. Your problem is you only care about sex. You don't even seem to care that it's another human being.
All I'm saying is if you're doing good for yourself, people will recognize that.
And honestly, in my own personal life, I always got the most "sex" when I was completely broke, didn't even have my own place. But I would talk to people A LOT. I would really get to know them.
Things are different nowadays.
While i get that this is a joke post this is usually said in relation to people who only use dating apps or are terminally online.
If you dont have any interpersonal skills neither of those approachs is workable.
Well people say my social skills significantly improved at least. I can’t say I’m sure what my level actually is, like is there a specific task I can do that will prove it? Aside from having sex of course which is typically what I consider to be the only true representation.
Well people say my social skills significantly improved at least. I can’t say I’m sure what my level actually is, like is there a specific task I can do that will prove it? Aside from having sex of course which is typically what I consider to be the only true representation.
>like is there a specific task I can do that will prove it?
I think the fact you need to prove it using some sort of measurement is a good indicator that you arnt quite there. It isnt something you can measure or grade on a scale in every day life. A psychologist maybe able to tell you specific traits they observe but noone can assign a value to it.
For many, hell maybe even most people those skills are done mostly autonomously lets compare it to breathing in most circumstances you dont consciously tell your lungs to inflate or deflate your brain just does it for you. In specific circumstances you may step in to regulate your breathing however can you imagine having to do it 24,7?
Same with interpersonal skills you either do them subconsciously and step in where necessary or you try to fake your responses constantly. That might honestly be your issue if you present yourself as you do on this post I can't blame anyone for not wanting to have sex with you, your attitude is very off putting.
>Aside from having sex of course which is typically what I consider to be the only true representation.
I think this just shows how out of touch you are with the general population. Personally I can't imagine placing such a big emphasis on trying to have sex. Its not a healthy mindset to have and there are plenty of cases out there with individuals of a similar mindset and what they eventually end up doing to woman.
Have you ever sought out a professional to discuss these thoughts with?
Unless you address your own mindset you're not going to have sex unless someone takes pity or you pay for it, and even if you do have sex iam sure it won't be this amazing mind altering thing that youre fantasising about leaving you dissaponted.
> I think the fact you need to prove it using some sort of measurement is a good indicator that you arnt quite there. It isnt something you can measure or grade on a scale in every day life. A psychologist maybe able to tell you specific traits they observe but noone can assign a value to it.
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I disagree with this, and I disagree with it because I feel I have so much of an inferiority complex over perceived lack of social skills from a young age, that I have no ability to actually judge it in myself.
And in this case I think you really just do not get autism.
>Have you ever sought out a professional to discuss these thoughts with?
Yes
>Unless you address your own mindset you're not going to have sex unless someone takes pity or you pay for it, and even if you do have sex iam sure it won't be this amazing mind altering thing that youre fantasising about leaving you dissaponted.
Well I mean how do you address the mindset? I figure these things are kinda unchangeable.
1. Stop listening to people on the internet, certain subreddits and similar pages are just echo-chambers and they don’t represent even 1% of reality
2. Why do you crave sex so much? I can tell you that it isn’t anything special.
It becomes special once you have it with special person gf/wife/bf/husband. Over time you learn what both of you like and then it’s truly something
I care about sex because it legitimizes your life. The more friends you have as a virgin, the more of a loser you are, because how the heck can you have a lot of friends and still be a virgin, that means there’s something really really wrong with you, but if you have had sex and have a lot of friends then that’s cool you have a lot of friends, and you also had sex. Same with money, the few billionaires who either are virgins (I know of at least one) or can’t get people to have sex with them, are made more uncool by their money.
Your mind is fried. Get off the internet, do yourself a favor. Also don’t watch tiktoks, andrew tates, and other similar idiots.
Person’s worth isn’t meassured on how many time they had sex or with how many partners.
All you said is that you are shallow, immature, low self-esteem, short sighted person.
You have no idea how many people are depressed and sad due to hookups and other bullshit people pressured them into doing.
If you don’t want to end like them start being better person, find something that makes you happy and contribute to society
>Your mind is fried. Get off the internet, do yourself a favor. Also don’t watch tiktoks, andrew tates, and other similar idiots.
We know Andrew Tate isn’t a loser. Some people say he hasn’t had sex but I’m skeptical of that claim.
>Person’s worth isn’t meassured on how many time they had sex or with how many partners.
A person’s worth is measured by the degree of effort they needed to put in in order to get sex. If it happened on its own it looks good on them and if it took decades of work it looks bad on them.
>All you said is that you are shallow, immature, low self-esteem, short sighted person.
Where did I say this?
>You have no idea how many people are depressed and sad due to hookups and other bullshit people pressured them into doing. If you don’t want to end like them start being better person, find something that makes you happy and contribute to society
I want to be one of those people. Gimme gimme I want their lives. Better to be a sad and depressed sex haver who doesn’t contribute to society than a virgin who does something that makes them happy and contributes to society. The former is deserves to be happy and the latter doesn’t deserve to be happy.
Idk if ur male or female. Either way people can sense desperation. You might get lucky doing this, meeting someone as desperate as u for sex. Most people would shy away as that's not what they want.
I remember the incel king, Elliot Roger, used to write in his sad diary how he would sit outside or at the mall for hours and no girl would come up and start hitting on him. How flabbergasted he was at that
When I read this, my first thought was that such a shitty way to try to meet girls. And two, after probably an hour of no luck, I could picture the hateful scowl he likely had across his face. And how that was driving his already shitty chances even further into the toilet :/
Well he did follow Redditor advice, but I did make friends and get two dates, at great personal expense. I think I did a much better job than he did, but it wasn’t enough. I’m never gonna be able to become a normie this way.
Why would it be at great personal expense? Did you pick dates that were expensive or something?
If it’s the effort of simply existing outside or around people is the great personal expense, then you need to get more used to that before you even start trying to have sex with strangers
Because going outside is expensive, and every hour you spend outside is an hour you can’t spend working.
The effort isn’t that hard. I don’t dislike interacting with people, but all the going outside did is just make me new friends but never got me sex. So it actually put me in a worse position than I started out in.
Come on you have to be trolling. Going outside is free, one of the few free things that exists. Do you not have a bike or any form of transport? Are you having to rideshare everywhere or something?
And how is making friends leaving someone worse off? Better to know no one and wallow alway in isolation? Have you heard about the degrees of separation? Each person you made as a friend knows people. The longer you interact with them, the more likely you are to possibly meet those people. Some of those people might be dating prospects
So friends help with your goal of getting laid. But honestly I would put that on the back burner for a while. Being a “normie” is much more about developing interpersonal skills via practice and experience
> Come on you have to be trolling. Going outside is free, one of the few free things that exists. Do you not have a bike or any form of transport? Are you having to rideshare everywhere or something?
I need to use public transit and participate in activities. I went about $5k in debt from going outside.
>And how is making friends leaving someone worse off? Better to know no one and wallow alway in isolation? Have you heard about the degrees of separation? Each person you made as a friend knows people. The longer you interact with them, the more likely you are to possibly meet those people. Some of those people might be dating prospects
I’ve heard of this but it’s much more acceptable to know nobody and wallow away in isolation and be a virgin than to have all these advantages and still be a virgin. If you have 30 friends and are still a virgin that means you have like 300 times the probability of having sex than if you’re a hikkikomori, if you still aren’t having sex that means you’re more of a loser than if you have literally nothing in your life.
>So friends help with your goal of getting laid. But honestly I would put that on the back burner for a while. Being a “normie” is much more about developing interpersonal skills via practice and experience
Being a normie is about having sex when you’re 16, so you’re free to do whatever you want with your life after.
Bus passes in my city are a few dollars each. Even if you rode the bus 24 hours a day for years, you wouldn’t rack up that kind of bill. I can’t offer help if you are going to lie or exaggerate things. You have to be honest
Being alone in life is being more vulnerable to literally everything. Your only way to get any help, whether that’s emotional support, physical support (like maybe you need help moving one day), transportation support, basically any kind of support, is to pay for it then. And you already are freaking out about money and either exaggerating your costs, or you are simply terrible with managing money. What are you going to do if the shit ever hit the fan and you have no way to get help because you can’t afford it? It’s really helpful to have a social support system, and your family/parents aren’t going to live forever
And literally no one looks at someone and thinks about some sex to friend ratio. That is just a you problem
If being a normie is having sex at 16 and then being “free” to do whatever, which I’m assuming for you is avoid sex like the plague again, why not just lie and say you have? No one is going to check, there’s not even a way to prove it for guys. You already lie about your expenses, lol. Why not lie about the sex and then move on to your isolated dream life?
Why do you think going outside and meeting people is all there is to do to get sex? You realize you need to actually get to know others, establish a connection and communication with them in order to see if you guys like each other in order to have sex? Nobody is just going to grab you by the hand and take you to bed just like that, that’s fiction 😂
Most of those never do. But you still have to try. But not try with end result being sex, if that’s what you want you might as well get on Tinder or something with clear intention. In real world nobody wants to feel as someone is looking for just sex with them no matter what they say. People like to be wanted and cared for.
She has a hard time understanding that concept. I think he thinks that everyone is sleeping around and just waiting to fuck which is insane. It’s not even close to the truth, lol
It doesn’t really sound like you made friends if it was just a transactional way for you to try to have sex and if it doesn’t seem worth it to you to have those friendships.
I think you should stop making assumptions. I know my environment on the ground more than you do.
No is that I feel guilty for talking to anyone for reasons unrelated to seeking sex.
Well that’s not how I feel. I feel I’m morally obligated to get laid at all costs and I should punish myself for every time I put someone else’s wellbeing above me getting laid.
Unfortunately I’m not very good at treating people like objects. But I hope I’ll be able to eventually learn how to do it effectively. A guy on Reddit said it was the only way to get laid in the modern age.
Although it would be way nicer to be able to avoid that. Ignoring all moral obligations and just being nice to people for its own sake, and somehow getting sex anyways is a nice but unrealistic scenario.
If I managed to get sex I’d immediately do a 180 and be nice to people because that’s what I want to do, but have been banned from doing.
Well, first steps first, u need to be good looking... that isnt genetically set. U have a heavy influence on whether u look good. Being overweight is a big no (and take that from someone who is obese himself, i just know its heavily unattractive). Have a good hairstyle. Brush teeth regulary. And take care of your goddamn skin, in my whole life i only met one man who actually cared about it (i dont do it myself too, but as said....i know its unattractive and i therefore reduce my chances drastically). Use a good parfum, take care of your nails, and wear high standard good looking clothes, that fits you well and have no big folds or wholes. Basically, look what most woman do for health care and do the fucking same with products that fits you.
Go to sports and eat healthy. Nothing is more unattractive then someone only eating fast food. Also, have something that makes you interesting. Something special. That can be simple things. Play an instrument. Go to a certain sport. Be interested in cooking. Or certain topics. Perhaps philosophy... psychology...or history. Just have more in life then "i meet friends and watch netflix". Otherwise u are just boring (not only for woman, but for everyone). Can recommend guitar, its great, lol.
And now we come to the most important steps... dont be needy. That doesnt apply only to your behavior, but your mind too. If u speek with a woman to get sex with her at first priority and actually get to know her secondly thats a big turn off and in my experience woman have a really good sense for it, because they deal with it daily. Be happy, be confident, and meet woman because u want to meet new people (therefore, meet new male friends too), not for sex. That actually increases your chances for sex, even its paradox.
And dont expect u are hit on in the streets. And also, please dont hit on woman in the streets. They are hit on a daily basis multiple times and dont have any more nerves for it. U wanna meet new people? Join social groups. A club, a sports group... use apps to find new people for certain activities. Go to bars and clubs (but dont approach there randomly. Most girls will signalise absolute clear signals via body language if they want to be approached, if they dont, let them be). U also could ask friends to meet u up with other of their friends for mutual activies perhaps. but thats really context dependent. Ouh, and your options there are limited, so perhaps be sure to secure the first three paragraphs before u try, not only important for sex, but also for casual friendships.
Also, if u genually want to actvively search for sex (in this case it should still be second priority after just be curious about new people) use dating apps. U dont need to be top 10% good looking like most people say to be successful. Your dating profile needs to be in the top 10% of quality. And that isnt actually hard to achieve, the hardest are actually the photos, especially if u are not well made for spontaneous pictures and dont make much pictures at all. There are tons of guides how to create a good combination of good photos for dating apps. Of course, the first three paragraphs must be secured for this. If they are not right now, take your time to improve.
But in the end everything boils down to one chain of questions? 1. Would you date yourself in general? If not, why? (Change it). Would u date yourself more likely then other males? If not, where can u improve?* 3. Would you date yourself in a cetain context (e.g., u are approached by yourself in the context the person u want to approach is in, would you say yes?) keeping in mind you are allready asked out on a daily basis randomly by a lot of dudes? If not, change context (e.g., dont approach her. Only approach if u have a "contextual fit").
*notice that men have due to cultural biases a way higher demand for sex then woman, that means a woman has most cards in her hand. In the short-term, she doesnt need to offer something special, just be a decent person, while u "compete"** with other men for a shortend supply. Of course, that doesnt apply in the long-term for relationships, there both need to offer equally.
**dont see other men as enemies because of it. U are not. That looks childish and immature. Just work on yourself and be happy for others if they have success. The ability to be happy for others, even u would wish the same for you makes life a lot more happier at all.
If u want to have sex with man...the first two paragraphs are valid as well. But recognize its only a small percentage that is gay or bi. U need to use specific channels and meet ups, like gay bars if u search in that direction and dont wanna trust in pure luck. In my experience, if u use the correct channels for it its a lot easier to have sex then with woman, depending on your standards. If u have at least decent standards u get in the same struggle most woman have. A lot of man just care so less for themselves they dont even fullfill decent standards. Then it gets hard again, but in a different way than before.
I don’t want to meet new people, I want to meet exactly the amount of people necessary to get sex and reach the absolute bare minimum on everything to get sex. Then after I’ve had sex I can avoid holding back since I’ll want to actually do these things for their own sake.
>reach the absolute bare minimum on everything to get sex
With that u will never accomplish the bar minimum at all. Because the bar minimum is to genually care for yourself and to want more then the bar minimum.
> want to meet exactly the amount of people necessary to get sex
With that u look needy. As said, woman have a sense for that. Its a big turn off and no one in the world except another needy man will sleep with you if you see woman/ other people only as sex objects and are not interested in them at all.
People always say there’s this super massive spirit of sex that is necessary to be obtained in order to get sex. I’m pretty skeptical of this. It just feels like way too much to be present in 85% of the population like this. You really think 85% of the population exemplify this?
People always say there’s this super massive spirit of sex that is necessary to be obtained in order to get sex. I’m pretty skeptical of this. It just feels like way too much to be present in 85% of the population like this. You really think 85% of the population exemplify this?
Well, if u consider taking basic care of yourself a super massive spirit, yes. There are still a lot more people that perhaps dont fullfill all of these stuff, but they compensate it through different things. Some dudes may not take good care and be assholes, but are incredebly hot, therefore can compensate. A lot of people who are used to abuse preffer people who abuse them paradoxically, therefore as an abuser u have good a good chance to land on an abuse victim (dont abuse people!!). Some have a lot of money and focus on gold diggers and sugar babys, which is not healthy and degrading for everyone, but yeah. A lot of sex is also based on coercion and pressuring people. I dont need to explain why thats shit, do I?
> I dont need to explain why thats shit, do I?
Well I mean tbh the people in my life have overall tended to argue that you're a better person getting sex through coercion than not having sex. I can't say I agree with them, but I can say I feel I lack the moral strength for my disagreement to actually mean anything.
I am sorry bro, it's tough out there, but I can assure you it's impossible if you don't go outside.
I hope at least you spend some of your time in group recreational activities that you enjoy. Maybe you will interact with some like minded person, hit it off from there.
The more I enjoy the recreational activities the more I want to die because I’m a virgin. I wish there was some guide about how to be miserable and unaccomplished and still get sex, because then I’d do the instructions to get sex out of the way so I can leave all the having fun and achieving things for after when I won’t feel guilty about it.
If you just want to have sex, you can seek escorts. It's easy, fast, efficient, and you will definitely lose your virginity. You don't have to put this much efforts, just pay and get it done. I don't understand why you are even sweating this much over this issue.
Paying for sex directly doesn’t count, you’re still a loser after it. It can be enjoyable but sex is about proving yourself as more of a normie than others, not about anything physical.
Then your whole approach is wrong. Seeking sex, and seeking love/relationship are two different things.
Sure you can have hook ups with random strangers, but you need to be either attractive or rich for that to happen. So, I can see why you are having a difficult time getting some action.
People on Reddit say anyone can get hookups they don’t need to be attractive or rich. There are extensive posts about people who are complete messes having sex
You need to have people skills too, how not to be creepy, or sound creepy, or be seen creepy. If you are not born with these skills, you can acquire them by interacting with more people.
If you get lucky, you may become the right person at the right time to get laid, but you have to be very lucky for that to happen
You are not, skills can be acquired. Or you can find people who are comfortable with your skills.
It doesn't define your worth. Unless your worth is determined if you have sex or not
Sex is sex, its nothing more nothing less, if you had it with someone, whether an escort, whether by force or by consent, you had sex, whether you liked it or not
So are you telling me to go rape someone to feel better about myself? I heard some people say it counts, but I’ve generally thought rape is kinda like negative sex, because sex is about someone wanting to do it with you. Do rape is like the negative of that.
All these young men who hate women are sick.
Sex as a reward for going out is wild.
Fuck you and all these motherfuckers who say its ok to be like this.
The thing that matters most in life is having sex. But sex is basically inaccessible in adulthood.
Seriously if I’m not getting sex why should I engage with society at all?
You are already disconnected. Stop watching shit on tiktok.
I just have to read your shit on reddit and I know why you dont get laid.
You are a sad piece of shit or a troll
I hope you die alone you garbage human piece of Shit.
Keep listening to Andrew Tate but If you rape a woman in your life I hope you and your whole family will suffer
Garbage women hater piece of Shit
Sex as a reward for going out is the wildest take ive ever heard
Why you post something a few days ago with (28F) you act like a girl sometimes?
I already fucking did pay for it, but it didn’t count. The fact is my life is unsalvageable because even if I did have sex by now, it would still be too late. Because you know the earlier you have sex the more of a normie you are?
It’s not that easy buddy, if it was that easy then life has no meaning.
The question is where did you go?
Plus not everybody results the same just cause someone lied and said just go out
Alright, Social events as it sounds people go with one goal in mind is to socialize, clubs out of boredom. What happens from socializing is up to you how to control the situation.
Have you tried dating apps?
You’re on a very incel path here. Sex isn’t a reward or should be looked at as such. No one deserves sex, that can put you on a path to a creepy and harmful mindset- like the men who get mad at women for not sleeping with them when they bought them dinner. If that’s how you’re treating sex it might show up in your interactions with people.
‘Going outside’ isn’t going to ‘reward you’ with sex. You have to put effort in to try, you can’t just sit around and expect someone to make a move on you and then get mad or spiteful when they don’t. You have to expressly show interest in someone right off the bat, like by telling them they’re hot and buying them a drink or asking them to dance. If you’re trans, a gay bar might be a good place to start. It’s not a good place to start to try to form connections with people because they might think you’re just trying to be friends. You have to make your intentions clear from the start.
Even then though, if you do this, you still might not be ‘rewarded’ with sex as it isn’t something anyone deserves. You just have to politely say thank you and move on and try again with someone else.
Or download Grindr, I’ve seen plenty of trans people on there.
I did actively do stuff when going outside. As I said earlier I made many friends, got two dates, but sex didn’t happen. I’m fucking furious because of how it isn’t like I can just go outside every day for the rest of my life, I did that at great personal expense and got nothing. I enjoyed myself in the moment but looking back it was all pointless.
Well dude you gotta leave the yard. You also have to be able to talk to people, be funny, be proud of what you do, have goals, make money, be willing to ask people out, make events. I mean it's a whole thing.
I already stated I left the yard and made friends. But no, making money, pursuing goals (aside from sex), and all that other crap is not really compatible with going outside and such. Going outside is something you do instead of pursuing your goals and making money. And I asked two people out, both said yes, one I had a second date with, but neither times did sex happen.
Yeah because you're not doing shit with yourself except you think walking out the door is enough. You gotta make moves and focus on that first, then it'll happen. Be someone. That's all. Just do literally anything to improve your standing, and don't get complacent, try harder to move up in the world.
WTF are you talking about. I said I attended events and made friends. Are you just intentionally ignoring this? I asked people out and got dates but nothing happened.
Moving up in the world just shines a spotlight on your lack of sex so you shouldn’t attempt it until after getting sex.
Whatever that incoherent sentence means. Dude all I'm saying is just work on yourself. Your problem is you only care about sex. You don't even seem to care that it's another human being. All I'm saying is if you're doing good for yourself, people will recognize that. And honestly, in my own personal life, I always got the most "sex" when I was completely broke, didn't even have my own place. But I would talk to people A LOT. I would really get to know them. Things are different nowadays.
Wait so are you saying working on yourself is pointless because it goes against having sex?
The opposite. What is going on with you? Why are you so obsessed with sex? Are you like a 30 something year old virgin?
Yes I am almost a 30yo virgin. I would trade basically anything to have sex (except paying for it directly because that doesn’t count).
Thinking your "reward" for going outside should be sex is crazy.
Well that’s what Redditors say. They say it’s easy to get sex if you just go outside.
While i get that this is a joke post this is usually said in relation to people who only use dating apps or are terminally online. If you dont have any interpersonal skills neither of those approachs is workable.
Well people say my social skills significantly improved at least. I can’t say I’m sure what my level actually is, like is there a specific task I can do that will prove it? Aside from having sex of course which is typically what I consider to be the only true representation.
Well people say my social skills significantly improved at least. I can’t say I’m sure what my level actually is, like is there a specific task I can do that will prove it? Aside from having sex of course which is typically what I consider to be the only true representation.
>like is there a specific task I can do that will prove it? I think the fact you need to prove it using some sort of measurement is a good indicator that you arnt quite there. It isnt something you can measure or grade on a scale in every day life. A psychologist maybe able to tell you specific traits they observe but noone can assign a value to it. For many, hell maybe even most people those skills are done mostly autonomously lets compare it to breathing in most circumstances you dont consciously tell your lungs to inflate or deflate your brain just does it for you. In specific circumstances you may step in to regulate your breathing however can you imagine having to do it 24,7? Same with interpersonal skills you either do them subconsciously and step in where necessary or you try to fake your responses constantly. That might honestly be your issue if you present yourself as you do on this post I can't blame anyone for not wanting to have sex with you, your attitude is very off putting. >Aside from having sex of course which is typically what I consider to be the only true representation. I think this just shows how out of touch you are with the general population. Personally I can't imagine placing such a big emphasis on trying to have sex. Its not a healthy mindset to have and there are plenty of cases out there with individuals of a similar mindset and what they eventually end up doing to woman. Have you ever sought out a professional to discuss these thoughts with? Unless you address your own mindset you're not going to have sex unless someone takes pity or you pay for it, and even if you do have sex iam sure it won't be this amazing mind altering thing that youre fantasising about leaving you dissaponted.
> I think the fact you need to prove it using some sort of measurement is a good indicator that you arnt quite there. It isnt something you can measure or grade on a scale in every day life. A psychologist maybe able to tell you specific traits they observe but noone can assign a value to it. > > I disagree with this, and I disagree with it because I feel I have so much of an inferiority complex over perceived lack of social skills from a young age, that I have no ability to actually judge it in myself. And in this case I think you really just do not get autism. >Have you ever sought out a professional to discuss these thoughts with? Yes >Unless you address your own mindset you're not going to have sex unless someone takes pity or you pay for it, and even if you do have sex iam sure it won't be this amazing mind altering thing that youre fantasising about leaving you dissaponted. Well I mean how do you address the mindset? I figure these things are kinda unchangeable.
1. Stop listening to people on the internet, certain subreddits and similar pages are just echo-chambers and they don’t represent even 1% of reality 2. Why do you crave sex so much? I can tell you that it isn’t anything special. It becomes special once you have it with special person gf/wife/bf/husband. Over time you learn what both of you like and then it’s truly something
I care about sex because it legitimizes your life. The more friends you have as a virgin, the more of a loser you are, because how the heck can you have a lot of friends and still be a virgin, that means there’s something really really wrong with you, but if you have had sex and have a lot of friends then that’s cool you have a lot of friends, and you also had sex. Same with money, the few billionaires who either are virgins (I know of at least one) or can’t get people to have sex with them, are made more uncool by their money.
Your mind is fried. Get off the internet, do yourself a favor. Also don’t watch tiktoks, andrew tates, and other similar idiots. Person’s worth isn’t meassured on how many time they had sex or with how many partners. All you said is that you are shallow, immature, low self-esteem, short sighted person. You have no idea how many people are depressed and sad due to hookups and other bullshit people pressured them into doing. If you don’t want to end like them start being better person, find something that makes you happy and contribute to society
>Your mind is fried. Get off the internet, do yourself a favor. Also don’t watch tiktoks, andrew tates, and other similar idiots. We know Andrew Tate isn’t a loser. Some people say he hasn’t had sex but I’m skeptical of that claim. >Person’s worth isn’t meassured on how many time they had sex or with how many partners. A person’s worth is measured by the degree of effort they needed to put in in order to get sex. If it happened on its own it looks good on them and if it took decades of work it looks bad on them. >All you said is that you are shallow, immature, low self-esteem, short sighted person. Where did I say this? >You have no idea how many people are depressed and sad due to hookups and other bullshit people pressured them into doing. If you don’t want to end like them start being better person, find something that makes you happy and contribute to society I want to be one of those people. Gimme gimme I want their lives. Better to be a sad and depressed sex haver who doesn’t contribute to society than a virgin who does something that makes them happy and contributes to society. The former is deserves to be happy and the latter doesn’t deserve to be happy.
You are a troll. I digress
Are you hot though? (step 1)
Idk
you got pics in your profile?, I didn't see anything.
Idk if ur male or female. Either way people can sense desperation. You might get lucky doing this, meeting someone as desperate as u for sex. Most people would shy away as that's not what they want.
I remember the incel king, Elliot Roger, used to write in his sad diary how he would sit outside or at the mall for hours and no girl would come up and start hitting on him. How flabbergasted he was at that When I read this, my first thought was that such a shitty way to try to meet girls. And two, after probably an hour of no luck, I could picture the hateful scowl he likely had across his face. And how that was driving his already shitty chances even further into the toilet :/
Well he did follow Redditor advice, but I did make friends and get two dates, at great personal expense. I think I did a much better job than he did, but it wasn’t enough. I’m never gonna be able to become a normie this way.
Why would it be at great personal expense? Did you pick dates that were expensive or something? If it’s the effort of simply existing outside or around people is the great personal expense, then you need to get more used to that before you even start trying to have sex with strangers
Because going outside is expensive, and every hour you spend outside is an hour you can’t spend working. The effort isn’t that hard. I don’t dislike interacting with people, but all the going outside did is just make me new friends but never got me sex. So it actually put me in a worse position than I started out in.
Come on you have to be trolling. Going outside is free, one of the few free things that exists. Do you not have a bike or any form of transport? Are you having to rideshare everywhere or something? And how is making friends leaving someone worse off? Better to know no one and wallow alway in isolation? Have you heard about the degrees of separation? Each person you made as a friend knows people. The longer you interact with them, the more likely you are to possibly meet those people. Some of those people might be dating prospects So friends help with your goal of getting laid. But honestly I would put that on the back burner for a while. Being a “normie” is much more about developing interpersonal skills via practice and experience
> Come on you have to be trolling. Going outside is free, one of the few free things that exists. Do you not have a bike or any form of transport? Are you having to rideshare everywhere or something? I need to use public transit and participate in activities. I went about $5k in debt from going outside. >And how is making friends leaving someone worse off? Better to know no one and wallow alway in isolation? Have you heard about the degrees of separation? Each person you made as a friend knows people. The longer you interact with them, the more likely you are to possibly meet those people. Some of those people might be dating prospects I’ve heard of this but it’s much more acceptable to know nobody and wallow away in isolation and be a virgin than to have all these advantages and still be a virgin. If you have 30 friends and are still a virgin that means you have like 300 times the probability of having sex than if you’re a hikkikomori, if you still aren’t having sex that means you’re more of a loser than if you have literally nothing in your life. >So friends help with your goal of getting laid. But honestly I would put that on the back burner for a while. Being a “normie” is much more about developing interpersonal skills via practice and experience Being a normie is about having sex when you’re 16, so you’re free to do whatever you want with your life after.
Bus passes in my city are a few dollars each. Even if you rode the bus 24 hours a day for years, you wouldn’t rack up that kind of bill. I can’t offer help if you are going to lie or exaggerate things. You have to be honest Being alone in life is being more vulnerable to literally everything. Your only way to get any help, whether that’s emotional support, physical support (like maybe you need help moving one day), transportation support, basically any kind of support, is to pay for it then. And you already are freaking out about money and either exaggerating your costs, or you are simply terrible with managing money. What are you going to do if the shit ever hit the fan and you have no way to get help because you can’t afford it? It’s really helpful to have a social support system, and your family/parents aren’t going to live forever And literally no one looks at someone and thinks about some sex to friend ratio. That is just a you problem If being a normie is having sex at 16 and then being “free” to do whatever, which I’m assuming for you is avoid sex like the plague again, why not just lie and say you have? No one is going to check, there’s not even a way to prove it for guys. You already lie about your expenses, lol. Why not lie about the sex and then move on to your isolated dream life?
Why do you think going outside and meeting people is all there is to do to get sex? You realize you need to actually get to know others, establish a connection and communication with them in order to see if you guys like each other in order to have sex? Nobody is just going to grab you by the hand and take you to bed just like that, that’s fiction 😂
I said in the op that I made friends, established connections, etc, but that just didn’t lead anywhere.
Most of those never do. But you still have to try. But not try with end result being sex, if that’s what you want you might as well get on Tinder or something with clear intention. In real world nobody wants to feel as someone is looking for just sex with them no matter what they say. People like to be wanted and cared for.
She has a hard time understanding that concept. I think he thinks that everyone is sleeping around and just waiting to fuck which is insane. It’s not even close to the truth, lol
Dafuq are you talking about? Also I’m she/her so please respect my pronouns
Lol. My point still stands. Sex is not transactional and it’s not a reward. You should grow up first and then have sex.
Is growing up gonna get me sex? I’m only gonna attempt that if it gets me Sex.
You need a psychiatrist
I went to one and they said I was fine
Show them your post
Do you look like a girl? Maybe the energy you emit is off so people naturally stay away. 🤷🏻♀️
It doesn’t really sound like you made friends if it was just a transactional way for you to try to have sex and if it doesn’t seem worth it to you to have those friendships.
I think you should stop making assumptions. I know my environment on the ground more than you do. No is that I feel guilty for talking to anyone for reasons unrelated to seeking sex.
Imho this is totally backwards. You should feel guilty for using people transactionally to help you get laid.
Well that’s not how I feel. I feel I’m morally obligated to get laid at all costs and I should punish myself for every time I put someone else’s wellbeing above me getting laid. Unfortunately I’m not very good at treating people like objects. But I hope I’ll be able to eventually learn how to do it effectively. A guy on Reddit said it was the only way to get laid in the modern age. Although it would be way nicer to be able to avoid that. Ignoring all moral obligations and just being nice to people for its own sake, and somehow getting sex anyways is a nice but unrealistic scenario. If I managed to get sex I’d immediately do a 180 and be nice to people because that’s what I want to do, but have been banned from doing.
Well, first steps first, u need to be good looking... that isnt genetically set. U have a heavy influence on whether u look good. Being overweight is a big no (and take that from someone who is obese himself, i just know its heavily unattractive). Have a good hairstyle. Brush teeth regulary. And take care of your goddamn skin, in my whole life i only met one man who actually cared about it (i dont do it myself too, but as said....i know its unattractive and i therefore reduce my chances drastically). Use a good parfum, take care of your nails, and wear high standard good looking clothes, that fits you well and have no big folds or wholes. Basically, look what most woman do for health care and do the fucking same with products that fits you. Go to sports and eat healthy. Nothing is more unattractive then someone only eating fast food. Also, have something that makes you interesting. Something special. That can be simple things. Play an instrument. Go to a certain sport. Be interested in cooking. Or certain topics. Perhaps philosophy... psychology...or history. Just have more in life then "i meet friends and watch netflix". Otherwise u are just boring (not only for woman, but for everyone). Can recommend guitar, its great, lol. And now we come to the most important steps... dont be needy. That doesnt apply only to your behavior, but your mind too. If u speek with a woman to get sex with her at first priority and actually get to know her secondly thats a big turn off and in my experience woman have a really good sense for it, because they deal with it daily. Be happy, be confident, and meet woman because u want to meet new people (therefore, meet new male friends too), not for sex. That actually increases your chances for sex, even its paradox. And dont expect u are hit on in the streets. And also, please dont hit on woman in the streets. They are hit on a daily basis multiple times and dont have any more nerves for it. U wanna meet new people? Join social groups. A club, a sports group... use apps to find new people for certain activities. Go to bars and clubs (but dont approach there randomly. Most girls will signalise absolute clear signals via body language if they want to be approached, if they dont, let them be). U also could ask friends to meet u up with other of their friends for mutual activies perhaps. but thats really context dependent. Ouh, and your options there are limited, so perhaps be sure to secure the first three paragraphs before u try, not only important for sex, but also for casual friendships. Also, if u genually want to actvively search for sex (in this case it should still be second priority after just be curious about new people) use dating apps. U dont need to be top 10% good looking like most people say to be successful. Your dating profile needs to be in the top 10% of quality. And that isnt actually hard to achieve, the hardest are actually the photos, especially if u are not well made for spontaneous pictures and dont make much pictures at all. There are tons of guides how to create a good combination of good photos for dating apps. Of course, the first three paragraphs must be secured for this. If they are not right now, take your time to improve. But in the end everything boils down to one chain of questions? 1. Would you date yourself in general? If not, why? (Change it). Would u date yourself more likely then other males? If not, where can u improve?* 3. Would you date yourself in a cetain context (e.g., u are approached by yourself in the context the person u want to approach is in, would you say yes?) keeping in mind you are allready asked out on a daily basis randomly by a lot of dudes? If not, change context (e.g., dont approach her. Only approach if u have a "contextual fit"). *notice that men have due to cultural biases a way higher demand for sex then woman, that means a woman has most cards in her hand. In the short-term, she doesnt need to offer something special, just be a decent person, while u "compete"** with other men for a shortend supply. Of course, that doesnt apply in the long-term for relationships, there both need to offer equally. **dont see other men as enemies because of it. U are not. That looks childish and immature. Just work on yourself and be happy for others if they have success. The ability to be happy for others, even u would wish the same for you makes life a lot more happier at all. If u want to have sex with man...the first two paragraphs are valid as well. But recognize its only a small percentage that is gay or bi. U need to use specific channels and meet ups, like gay bars if u search in that direction and dont wanna trust in pure luck. In my experience, if u use the correct channels for it its a lot easier to have sex then with woman, depending on your standards. If u have at least decent standards u get in the same struggle most woman have. A lot of man just care so less for themselves they dont even fullfill decent standards. Then it gets hard again, but in a different way than before.
I don’t want to meet new people, I want to meet exactly the amount of people necessary to get sex and reach the absolute bare minimum on everything to get sex. Then after I’ve had sex I can avoid holding back since I’ll want to actually do these things for their own sake.
>reach the absolute bare minimum on everything to get sex With that u will never accomplish the bar minimum at all. Because the bar minimum is to genually care for yourself and to want more then the bar minimum. > want to meet exactly the amount of people necessary to get sex With that u look needy. As said, woman have a sense for that. Its a big turn off and no one in the world except another needy man will sleep with you if you see woman/ other people only as sex objects and are not interested in them at all.
People always say there’s this super massive spirit of sex that is necessary to be obtained in order to get sex. I’m pretty skeptical of this. It just feels like way too much to be present in 85% of the population like this. You really think 85% of the population exemplify this?
People always say there’s this super massive spirit of sex that is necessary to be obtained in order to get sex. I’m pretty skeptical of this. It just feels like way too much to be present in 85% of the population like this. You really think 85% of the population exemplify this?
Well, if u consider taking basic care of yourself a super massive spirit, yes. There are still a lot more people that perhaps dont fullfill all of these stuff, but they compensate it through different things. Some dudes may not take good care and be assholes, but are incredebly hot, therefore can compensate. A lot of people who are used to abuse preffer people who abuse them paradoxically, therefore as an abuser u have good a good chance to land on an abuse victim (dont abuse people!!). Some have a lot of money and focus on gold diggers and sugar babys, which is not healthy and degrading for everyone, but yeah. A lot of sex is also based on coercion and pressuring people. I dont need to explain why thats shit, do I?
> I dont need to explain why thats shit, do I? Well I mean tbh the people in my life have overall tended to argue that you're a better person getting sex through coercion than not having sex. I can't say I agree with them, but I can say I feel I lack the moral strength for my disagreement to actually mean anything.
This is why everyone thinks you’re a troll
I am sorry bro, it's tough out there, but I can assure you it's impossible if you don't go outside. I hope at least you spend some of your time in group recreational activities that you enjoy. Maybe you will interact with some like minded person, hit it off from there.
The more I enjoy the recreational activities the more I want to die because I’m a virgin. I wish there was some guide about how to be miserable and unaccomplished and still get sex, because then I’d do the instructions to get sex out of the way so I can leave all the having fun and achieving things for after when I won’t feel guilty about it.
If you just want to have sex, you can seek escorts. It's easy, fast, efficient, and you will definitely lose your virginity. You don't have to put this much efforts, just pay and get it done. I don't understand why you are even sweating this much over this issue.
Paying for sex directly doesn’t count, you’re still a loser after it. It can be enjoyable but sex is about proving yourself as more of a normie than others, not about anything physical.
Then your whole approach is wrong. Seeking sex, and seeking love/relationship are two different things. Sure you can have hook ups with random strangers, but you need to be either attractive or rich for that to happen. So, I can see why you are having a difficult time getting some action.
People on Reddit say anyone can get hookups they don’t need to be attractive or rich. There are extensive posts about people who are complete messes having sex
You need to have people skills too, how not to be creepy, or sound creepy, or be seen creepy. If you are not born with these skills, you can acquire them by interacting with more people. If you get lucky, you may become the right person at the right time to get laid, but you have to be very lucky for that to happen
If you’re not born with those skills you’re just worthless as a person.
You are not, skills can be acquired. Or you can find people who are comfortable with your skills. It doesn't define your worth. Unless your worth is determined if you have sex or not
Yes my worth is determined by whether I have sex or not. So it does determine my worth.
Relationships are better than sex, but sex is fine on its own. Nobody asks if you’ve had a relationship they just ask if you’ve had sex.
If all you care about is sex then get an escort
Fuck off it doesn’t count and you know it.
Sex is sex, its nothing more nothing less, if you had it with someone, whether an escort, whether by force or by consent, you had sex, whether you liked it or not
Stop arguing with this person, whoever sees sex as a reward or transactions needs to grow up first and then have sex.
I guess, i just love arguing with immature people as a boring way to pass time, alltho this guy is probably baiting us
I agree, trolling hard. Just look at the responses
So are you telling me to go rape someone to feel better about myself? I heard some people say it counts, but I’ve generally thought rape is kinda like negative sex, because sex is about someone wanting to do it with you. Do rape is like the negative of that.
What the f are you talking about? Nobody is telling you to do that, there is no such thing as negative sex, sex is just sex
All these young men who hate women are sick. Sex as a reward for going out is wild. Fuck you and all these motherfuckers who say its ok to be like this.
The thing that matters most in life is having sex. But sex is basically inaccessible in adulthood. Seriously if I’m not getting sex why should I engage with society at all?
Thats incel stuff you are on a very dark path my friend
Okay fine, you want me to live a horrible life disconnected from society, I’ll do that, does that make you happy?
You are already disconnected. Stop watching shit on tiktok. I just have to read your shit on reddit and I know why you dont get laid. You are a sad piece of shit or a troll
I hope you die alone
I'm 10 years together with the love of my live
I hope they break up with you and then you die of a broken heart. Serves you right for your callous disregard for other people.
I hope you die alone you garbage human piece of Shit. Keep listening to Andrew Tate but If you rape a woman in your life I hope you and your whole family will suffer Garbage women hater piece of Shit Sex as a reward for going out is the wildest take ive ever heard Why you post something a few days ago with (28F) you act like a girl sometimes?
Facts, nobody who went outside has ever gotten the sex!
Going outside does not work. I know that for sure.
Going outside does not work. I know that for sure.
If you're that desperate for it, just pay for it, realise it's not that crazy and move on with yore life man
I already fucking did pay for it, but it didn’t count. The fact is my life is unsalvageable because even if I did have sex by now, it would still be too late. Because you know the earlier you have sex the more of a normie you are?
Might be u are unattractive or just people see u awkward. If u force something, its not natural. Everyone can feel it. Dont be that.
It’s not that easy buddy, if it was that easy then life has no meaning. The question is where did you go? Plus not everybody results the same just cause someone lied and said just go out
I went to a bunch of social events and clubs
Alright, Social events as it sounds people go with one goal in mind is to socialize, clubs out of boredom. What happens from socializing is up to you how to control the situation. Have you tried dating apps?
>Have you tried dating apps? I did but dating apps are unusable. Way too emotionally hard to do anything.
Unfortunately since Covid everything changed. Dating is tough I hear ya. You know what google single events locally I totally forgot about that.
GROD FUCKING DAMN IT!!!
What are you talking about?
What are YOU talking about?????
I want sex and I’m sad I didn’t get sex
Is this satire ?
No I’m just really pathetic
You’re on a very incel path here. Sex isn’t a reward or should be looked at as such. No one deserves sex, that can put you on a path to a creepy and harmful mindset- like the men who get mad at women for not sleeping with them when they bought them dinner. If that’s how you’re treating sex it might show up in your interactions with people. ‘Going outside’ isn’t going to ‘reward you’ with sex. You have to put effort in to try, you can’t just sit around and expect someone to make a move on you and then get mad or spiteful when they don’t. You have to expressly show interest in someone right off the bat, like by telling them they’re hot and buying them a drink or asking them to dance. If you’re trans, a gay bar might be a good place to start. It’s not a good place to start to try to form connections with people because they might think you’re just trying to be friends. You have to make your intentions clear from the start. Even then though, if you do this, you still might not be ‘rewarded’ with sex as it isn’t something anyone deserves. You just have to politely say thank you and move on and try again with someone else. Or download Grindr, I’ve seen plenty of trans people on there.
I did actively do stuff when going outside. As I said earlier I made many friends, got two dates, but sex didn’t happen. I’m fucking furious because of how it isn’t like I can just go outside every day for the rest of my life, I did that at great personal expense and got nothing. I enjoyed myself in the moment but looking back it was all pointless.