Therapy animals, support animals, and service animals are all different things.
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it is illegal in certain states to remove a TWO WEEK old puppy from the mother. if it is in your state and she tries it, call animal control on her.
for context, puppies can't even walk yet at that stage. may not even have eyes and ears open. HELL no. not to mention they can't even control their use of the bathroom.
i would tell her no, out of concern for puppy being around the materials used (silicosis etc), and because that's just.. not a service dog. it's not task trained, hell it's not even self sufficient and is very fragile at that stage.
Yeah I’m hoping that was a misspeak but even at two months that’s still way too young for any sort of public access. Idk if I’d even really take a two month old puppy to a pet store with me 😅
I'm so hoping she ment she'd had the puppy for 2 weeks. A 2 week puppy is *not safe* to be in public. Hell a puppy she's had for 2 weeks (if she got it at 8-12 weeks which is the norm where I live) is still not safe from parvo (and everything else it can't be fully vaxed for yet) and being in public like this isn't good age appropriate socialization esp in a ceramics class where you can't give it your full attention, I'd be hesitant to take my fiance with his fully trained 3yo for the space (most studios I've seen are somewhat cramped), machines, glaze fumes, and dust on the dogs safety without doing a crap ton of research and knowing exactly how the studio is set up
I completely agree, it sounded like she wasn't even going to have a leash on it which also worries me. Where they want to book is also close to the back where we have a TON of ceramics from the potters wheel or simply clay caked aprons.
If this puppy is 2 weeks old (and not 2 months old), you really should call AC. Trotting around a 2 week old puppy like that is borderline animal abuse. I know that's a strong word, but it is neglectful to a degree that can't be understated.
Edited to fix a typo.
In many place it's illegal for a puppy to be taken from it's mother that early barring situations that have no other choice ie the mother dying. I can't believe I didn't remember that extra *I fucking hope it's not 2 weeks old* tidbit earlier. There's a lot of place where it's not a question of borderline abuse it just *is*
Definitely. If the puppy is actually 2 weeks old (I genuinely hope to god that it's a misunderstanding), the breeder needs to be charged and the new owner fined, at the very least. At this point, I'm really just hoping the dog js 2 months old. Otherwise, that puppy likely won't survive.
Absolutely not! It doesn't matter even if it's an SDIT and you're in a state with full public access rights in training. It is not physically safe for the dog to be out that young! It shouldn't be away from its mother really at all. Its not vaccinated either so just touching the ground can give it a deadly infection. This is borderline animal abuse.
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This is not the place for fakespotting. Unless the person you are discussing has specifically told you that they are not disabled, and the dog is not trained in tasks, you have no way of knowing if a dog is 'fake'. We are not the service dog police and this behavior can lead to a lot of harm and anxiety for SD handlers as a community.
This does not preclude discussing encounters with un-/undertrained dogs, but if the focus of your post is complaining about a "fake" SD, reconsider your phrasing and what point you're making.
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Two weeks doesn't sound right unless it's an abandoned neonate.
That said, I do ceramics, and between the ceramic dust of the bisque pieces and the various glaze chemicals, training status aside, it is not a healthy place to have a dog. I would look at your laws regarding sdit, but then advise her honestly that you don't think it's very healthy for the dog and explain that the dust is more concentrated on the floor where the dog will be and could end up with life long lung damage.
Even if it’s a typo she is two months old, it’s not even potty trained yet! Certainly couldn’t be task trained to do anything yet, and therefore not a SD.
Full bladder sphincter maturity doesn't occur until minimum 6 m9nths of age(per a study by UC-Davis); any semblance of potty training before that point is the human reading the puppy's potty signals.
Yeah, my two month old puppy screams when she has to use the toilet and only goes on shag carpet and grass. And I think that’s just because the shag carpet feels like grass.
I’m gonna assume you mean 2 MONTHS, not weeks. 2 weeks the puppy wouldn’t be close to being weaned off mom and it wouldn’t even have its eyes or ears open.
You should look into what your federal law is. If you’re in the US that’s the ADA law, in Canada the laws are different in each Provence so check with that. As others have pointed out, service animals, therapy animals, and emotional support animals all have different functions and rights. ESAs aren’t really a thing outside of the US (and some parts of Canada) so I’m gonna assume you’re in the US.
If she stated her dog has separation anxiety then she should consult a certified separation anxiety specialist and you could gently recommend for her to do that because taking her dog everywhere will actually make it worse, especially at 2 months old. You can also inform her trying to pass her dog off for a service dog when it hasn’t been prescribed to her as one to mitigate a disability is wrong morally AND could get her into legal trouble.
I'll do my best on the gently recommend but my goodness she was so rude feom the beginning. I definetly will mention how the ADA allows our buisness to emit pets + danger it will be exposed to at a ceramic store
Only service animals are allowed public access per the ADA. only certain states allow service animals in training public access during training sessions.
Therapy animals or emotional support animals are not allowed public access. They have specific access allowed per their designated assignments through their volunteer organization(for Therapy animals) or in home emotional support per their agreement with HUD and their landlords.
- signed a Therapy dog team and I have a service dog.
TWO WEEK OLD??
Ok so. I have experience here as I actually focused on ceramics in college because I like not having job prospects 🫠
A ceramics studio is one of the WORST Places for a sd. When I was making the attempt to bring my SD, he had goggles, a dog mask, full fur protector coat and boots. I literally stopped brining him because it was too much for him.
A puppy?? Oh my god no. I can only think of the damage you could do to that baby. Maybe if this was like a paint a plate place with like. Some precautions taken or something but a throwing room that’s downright animal abuse. Even if you meant 2 months that’s still too young.
The way the studio is set up is that at the front, there is painting pottery but at the back we have a dull hand building table, a kiln, and wheels. Not to mention we hand-wash as much as we can so there are aprons with clay too. Where they want to sit is close to the wheel throwing hence why I'm kinda worried for the puppy
A two week old dog is not old enough to be a service dog or even be away from its parents. A two week old dog is bot even old enough to be trained and no wonder it is experiencing separation anxiety. It should be with its mom and siblings.
If you are in the United States, then I suggest you read the [ADA FAQs on service animals](https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-faqs/), particularly focusing on Q1-Q4, Q7, and Q25-Q28. That page has the answers to all of your questions.
First of all a 2 week old puppy shouldn't even be away from its mom let alone out in public and no a 2 week old can't be a service dog, they don't usually become one until 2 years
No hate towards you I've just seen a lot of incredibly young puppies out in public and separated from their mothers way too early, it's upsetting
It takes longer than 2 weeks to be service dog.
If she has an abandoned 2 week old pup she is trying to care for so it can survive, I would absolutely let her bring it. But she honestly should not risk exposure to anything.
The way she described it sounds like it came from a breeder?? She was very descriptive of the breed and the type (I was teying to check out a customer simotaneously so I wasn't paying attention). But I 100% agree because the clay dust at large doses is also toxic for humans, I can't imagine what it would do to a puppt.
To keep it simple: search if your state is “service dog in training” friendly. Second, ask if it’s a service dog, and what job does it do. If they cannot answer those two questions that’s an immediate no. Also if it acts unruly, barking, bothering patrons, not toilet trained- the dog can kicked out, but the patron can come back without the dog.
Also big red flag they are taking out such a young puppy, I can’t imagine how trained it is, while I disagree, some people like to socialize them young but I think there’s much better ways to do it.
So, if she is caretaking for a two week old puppy, I would say let her bring it in as long as it’s not disruptive if the puppy is two months old and she’s training it, I would look at the laws in your state/country.
No. If she's caretaking a puppy that age it needs ima stable environment and a pottery studio is the opposite and exposes the dog to serious risks. She needs to stay home and wait until the dog won't die from this but realistically shouldn't be bringing her SD or SDiT because of the environmental hazards. I do a lot of resin work and my animals aren't in the area, even with ventilation. The humans who work with me are provided PPE. While PPE does exist for dogs it's not doable for a dog so young. They're ideally in an incubator between feedings with either littermates or simulated littermates. Her lap isn't warm enough
Therapy animals, support animals, and service animals are all different things. https://preview.redd.it/namrifno1u9d1.jpeg?width=715&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d9bc94219787140979925bc0dd78807559cf5b4b
Nice graphic, thanks for sharing
This was insanely helpful and easy to understand, thank you ever so much
You're welcome! I love this graphic.
it is illegal in certain states to remove a TWO WEEK old puppy from the mother. if it is in your state and she tries it, call animal control on her. for context, puppies can't even walk yet at that stage. may not even have eyes and ears open. HELL no. not to mention they can't even control their use of the bathroom. i would tell her no, out of concern for puppy being around the materials used (silicosis etc), and because that's just.. not a service dog. it's not task trained, hell it's not even self sufficient and is very fragile at that stage.
Yeah I’m hoping that was a misspeak but even at two months that’s still way too young for any sort of public access. Idk if I’d even really take a two month old puppy to a pet store with me 😅
I'm so hoping she ment she'd had the puppy for 2 weeks. A 2 week puppy is *not safe* to be in public. Hell a puppy she's had for 2 weeks (if she got it at 8-12 weeks which is the norm where I live) is still not safe from parvo (and everything else it can't be fully vaxed for yet) and being in public like this isn't good age appropriate socialization esp in a ceramics class where you can't give it your full attention, I'd be hesitant to take my fiance with his fully trained 3yo for the space (most studios I've seen are somewhat cramped), machines, glaze fumes, and dust on the dogs safety without doing a crap ton of research and knowing exactly how the studio is set up
I completely agree, it sounded like she wasn't even going to have a leash on it which also worries me. Where they want to book is also close to the back where we have a TON of ceramics from the potters wheel or simply clay caked aprons.
If this puppy is 2 weeks old (and not 2 months old), you really should call AC. Trotting around a 2 week old puppy like that is borderline animal abuse. I know that's a strong word, but it is neglectful to a degree that can't be understated. Edited to fix a typo.
In many place it's illegal for a puppy to be taken from it's mother that early barring situations that have no other choice ie the mother dying. I can't believe I didn't remember that extra *I fucking hope it's not 2 weeks old* tidbit earlier. There's a lot of place where it's not a question of borderline abuse it just *is*
Definitely. If the puppy is actually 2 weeks old (I genuinely hope to god that it's a misunderstanding), the breeder needs to be charged and the new owner fined, at the very least. At this point, I'm really just hoping the dog js 2 months old. Otherwise, that puppy likely won't survive.
Absolutely not! It doesn't matter even if it's an SDIT and you're in a state with full public access rights in training. It is not physically safe for the dog to be out that young! It shouldn't be away from its mother really at all. Its not vaccinated either so just touching the ground can give it a deadly infection. This is borderline animal abuse.
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Your comment has been removed for breaking Rule 6: No Fake-spotting. This is not the place for fakespotting. Unless the person you are discussing has specifically told you that they are not disabled, and the dog is not trained in tasks, you have no way of knowing if a dog is 'fake'. We are not the service dog police and this behavior can lead to a lot of harm and anxiety for SD handlers as a community. This does not preclude discussing encounters with un-/undertrained dogs, but if the focus of your post is complaining about a "fake" SD, reconsider your phrasing and what point you're making. If you have any questions, please [Message the Moderators](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/service_dogs).
Two weeks doesn't sound right unless it's an abandoned neonate. That said, I do ceramics, and between the ceramic dust of the bisque pieces and the various glaze chemicals, training status aside, it is not a healthy place to have a dog. I would look at your laws regarding sdit, but then advise her honestly that you don't think it's very healthy for the dog and explain that the dust is more concentrated on the floor where the dog will be and could end up with life long lung damage.
Even if it’s a typo she is two months old, it’s not even potty trained yet! Certainly couldn’t be task trained to do anything yet, and therefore not a SD.
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Full bladder sphincter maturity doesn't occur until minimum 6 m9nths of age(per a study by UC-Davis); any semblance of potty training before that point is the human reading the puppy's potty signals.
Thank you. I love seeing sources being cited
Yeah, my two month old puppy screams when she has to use the toilet and only goes on shag carpet and grass. And I think that’s just because the shag carpet feels like grass.
2 week old puppy shouldn't even be away from it's mother yet, are their eyes even open?!
I’m gonna assume you mean 2 MONTHS, not weeks. 2 weeks the puppy wouldn’t be close to being weaned off mom and it wouldn’t even have its eyes or ears open. You should look into what your federal law is. If you’re in the US that’s the ADA law, in Canada the laws are different in each Provence so check with that. As others have pointed out, service animals, therapy animals, and emotional support animals all have different functions and rights. ESAs aren’t really a thing outside of the US (and some parts of Canada) so I’m gonna assume you’re in the US. If she stated her dog has separation anxiety then she should consult a certified separation anxiety specialist and you could gently recommend for her to do that because taking her dog everywhere will actually make it worse, especially at 2 months old. You can also inform her trying to pass her dog off for a service dog when it hasn’t been prescribed to her as one to mitigate a disability is wrong morally AND could get her into legal trouble.
I'll do my best on the gently recommend but my goodness she was so rude feom the beginning. I definetly will mention how the ADA allows our buisness to emit pets + danger it will be exposed to at a ceramic store
It’s dangerous for the puppy to be out in public at that age. No way it’s a service animal of any kind.
She claimed therapy or support animal, however I highly doubt it since it sounds like the dog has more issues than the owner
Only service animals are allowed public access per the ADA. only certain states allow service animals in training public access during training sessions. Therapy animals or emotional support animals are not allowed public access. They have specific access allowed per their designated assignments through their volunteer organization(for Therapy animals) or in home emotional support per their agreement with HUD and their landlords. - signed a Therapy dog team and I have a service dog.
TWO WEEK OLD?? Ok so. I have experience here as I actually focused on ceramics in college because I like not having job prospects 🫠 A ceramics studio is one of the WORST Places for a sd. When I was making the attempt to bring my SD, he had goggles, a dog mask, full fur protector coat and boots. I literally stopped brining him because it was too much for him. A puppy?? Oh my god no. I can only think of the damage you could do to that baby. Maybe if this was like a paint a plate place with like. Some precautions taken or something but a throwing room that’s downright animal abuse. Even if you meant 2 months that’s still too young.
*[Thank you so much for this information. I have never brought my S.D. to a ceramics studio but I will be sure nit to now. I had no idea]*.
The way the studio is set up is that at the front, there is painting pottery but at the back we have a dull hand building table, a kiln, and wheels. Not to mention we hand-wash as much as we can so there are aprons with clay too. Where they want to sit is close to the wheel throwing hence why I'm kinda worried for the puppy
A two week old dog is not old enough to be a service dog or even be away from its parents. A two week old dog is bot even old enough to be trained and no wonder it is experiencing separation anxiety. It should be with its mom and siblings.
2-week old! no! That puppy should still be with its mom. And therapy support dogs are not service dogs!’
If you are in the United States, then I suggest you read the [ADA FAQs on service animals](https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-faqs/), particularly focusing on Q1-Q4, Q7, and Q25-Q28. That page has the answers to all of your questions.
First of all a 2 week old puppy shouldn't even be away from its mom let alone out in public and no a 2 week old can't be a service dog, they don't usually become one until 2 years No hate towards you I've just seen a lot of incredibly young puppies out in public and separated from their mothers way too early, it's upsetting
It takes longer than 2 weeks to be service dog. If she has an abandoned 2 week old pup she is trying to care for so it can survive, I would absolutely let her bring it. But she honestly should not risk exposure to anything.
The way she described it sounds like it came from a breeder?? She was very descriptive of the breed and the type (I was teying to check out a customer simotaneously so I wasn't paying attention). But I 100% agree because the clay dust at large doses is also toxic for humans, I can't imagine what it would do to a puppt.
Sounds like she meant two months. Not weeks.
Maybe shes had him for two weeks?
Also SD’s can be any breed so that is irrelevant, I agree with the others … should be fully vaccinated so to young. Tell her no !
SD fully depends on temperament, which does not exist in newborn puppies. I mentioned the age, as we don't have any idea what breed.
I completely agree with that!!! Not every dog of every breed even the fab 5 are cut out to be service dogs.
Not a service animal. A 2 week old puppy really shouldn’t even be out as they havn’t had all their jabs yet.
To keep it simple: search if your state is “service dog in training” friendly. Second, ask if it’s a service dog, and what job does it do. If they cannot answer those two questions that’s an immediate no. Also if it acts unruly, barking, bothering patrons, not toilet trained- the dog can kicked out, but the patron can come back without the dog. Also big red flag they are taking out such a young puppy, I can’t imagine how trained it is, while I disagree, some people like to socialize them young but I think there’s much better ways to do it.
So, if she is caretaking for a two week old puppy, I would say let her bring it in as long as it’s not disruptive if the puppy is two months old and she’s training it, I would look at the laws in your state/country.
No. If she's caretaking a puppy that age it needs ima stable environment and a pottery studio is the opposite and exposes the dog to serious risks. She needs to stay home and wait until the dog won't die from this but realistically shouldn't be bringing her SD or SDiT because of the environmental hazards. I do a lot of resin work and my animals aren't in the area, even with ventilation. The humans who work with me are provided PPE. While PPE does exist for dogs it's not doable for a dog so young. They're ideally in an incubator between feedings with either littermates or simulated littermates. Her lap isn't warm enough