What a missed opportunity to put 4 DIMMS on a SFF board. Those extra M2 slots could have gone on the back side.
ETA-
2 vs 4 DIMMs: The ability for 2 DIMMs to clock higher is overstated and situational. It's particularly visible right now with DDR5 being the new kid on the block. This is really only relevant if you're going for XOC. Irrelevant if you're at JDEC spec, and you can still get fantastic overclocks on 4 DIMM T-topology boards. In some situations 4 DIMMs can outperform a 2 DIMM system. As an example, I haven't found a 2x32Gb DDR4 kit that can touch my 4x16Gb B-die kit for AMD systems. It's not always about raw MHz. YMWV with platform maturity. At a certain point, fewer higher capacity modules can be slower than more lower capacity modules.
PCIe vs SATA: Sweet lord y'all, how much capacity do you need in a SFF build? I'm a data hoarder and 16Tb of storage with built in redundancy (4x8Gb RAID10) sounds like plenty to me. That's more than the 10Gb my current SFF build has, 8Gb of that being SATA.
Or hear me out...... 4 DIMMs and 2 M2s on the front (one next to the PCIe, one next to the DIMMS), with 2 more M2s on the back sandwiched where the ones on the front are. I'd throw a lot of money at a SFF board with 4 DIMMs and 4 M2s that I could RAID10.
I'd be fine with no SATA support. It's way slower than NVMe and an inefficient use of space. Seriously, tear open a SATA SSD and see how much is just empty wasted space.
True, although I'd have a hard time finding 20+ TB SSD's. I'm sure they exist but not at a reasonable price. That's assuming you need that amount of storage.
Funny thing - I'm actually looking to build a solid state SATA USB array, precisely by unpacking those 2.5" SATA SSDs to bare chip, adding a low profile heatsink to each, and dropping them in an appropriate backpane... Sadly said backpane doesn't exist (even though 20Gbps over USB3 is doable, but even 10Gb would be enough)
Reminds me of a DAS from Drobo called the Drobo Mini that supported 4x 2.5 in drives and I think an extra mSATA if I'm not mistaken. It connected via USB 3.0 and on original Thunderbolt. Though, nowadays you can probably find a DAS enclosure on Aliexpress for much cheaper.
I did check DAS enclosures but all of them are designed for full size 2.5" disks - so there's tons of space wasted.
The closest I've got to my idea is a now EOL Raspberry Pi "NAS HAT" by Radxa, however, it uses 2x 5Gb USB3, and isn't made for standalone use.
Best solution I could find so far was duct taping (not literally mind you) four SATA to USB adapters and a USB3 hub, but that increases the possible points of failure exponentially.
Oh, I see. You want to make it really small. Maybe play around with 3D printing the enclosure and add some mini heatsinks with thermal putty. Or something like that.
At that point, you are best off just building a NAS if speed isn’t a factor. They are very convenient for bulk storage and can do lite server things for home use.
Cold storage is another huge factor, bit rot on flash media occurs significantly faster. I think flash storage is rated to roughly 3-4 years of cold storage, hard drives are 10 years, blu ray is 30 years. Been thinking of getting blu rays for backing up infrequently changed content like family photos, videos, and old accounting records.
Yeah, but those are critical components and have their own dedicated cooling solutions that fit in SFF cases. Many already have to undervolt or throttle CPUs and GPUs with 2 DIMMS and 2 NVMes. Would the extra drives and ram sticks be inconsequential?
More DIMM slots means worse signal integrity though so they'd lose market share from XOC blokes who buy cheap ITX boards instead of 2 DIMM ATX/M-ATX XOC ones that are more than twice the price usually.
Precisely. Plus, people claim RAM is dirt cheap nowadays... Which is true up to 32GB. 48GB costs over twice as much for 50% increase... So you can either buy 2x48 or 4x32 for the same price. I'd rather have the latter, please.
Nobody ever puts 4 rams.
And those that do puts 4x8gb. Fucken gay.
So you can do what? Wait 2 minutes for it to post to window
Gl hitting your advert ram high speed
Two sticks ftw cause it looks 1000x better.
The dimms each need lots of traces and bumping that to 4 dimms would increase either board layers (not ideal for cost or overclocking). Not impossible to work around but then adding m.2 (x4 pcie lanes which are more sensitive to jitter due to tight timing) crossing under the dimms wouldn't be ideal.
So if anything the 4 dimms would be horizontal with m.2 underneath it, Or more likely one m.2 above the PCIe slot and the other m.2 next to it horizontally, possibly with the motherboard chipset in between them depending on the platform. Or chipset to the right, many options.
As for PCIe vs SATA you can just get a M.2 to 5x SATA breakout board so I don't really see the issue. 4x SATA+ 2x M.2 is standard for ITX. So (assuming 4 m.2 like the minisforum board) 5 sata + 3 m.2 is an upgrade, or if you really value your sata drives then 10+2.
For gaming yes, but I think a similar amount of people are thinking of this as a potential server board for a small NAS/server box. That's why lots of people are commenting on the SATA and storage options.
Higher density RAM is MUCH more expensive (in terms of capacity per dollar). Some people want the option to grab cheap 4x16gb and have a good amount of ram for a server especially with the low price point of this motherboard.
Yeah, is that the normal layout? Seems like such a waste of extra space. You still have the limited single PCIe and 2 DIMMS but you gain... SATA ports, 24 pin power on the back (because case compatibility was hard enough before) and a second m2 slot?
I do when it makes sense. Usually that's on mature/dead platforms or a system intended for content creation that actually utilizes the extra capacity. Not everyone is a gamer, and not every system has to be tweaked and tuned to the hilt.
What would be the point over this YTX approach?
With today's GPUs being 2-4 slots tall, you'd block out the main benefit (the bottom PCIe port, since topmost is 99.99% the x16, followed by an x4 or x8), even with a PCIe riser.
Future expandability is a lot better with the extra PCIe slot. Make the 2nd slot x16 and you can fit an add-in card above your gpu. Super handy for my use case where I want a compact sff case for my main PC now, but intend to cycle those components into my server/nas next time I upgrade. Opens options for a network card to upgrade nics down the road, or a hbm to expand storage.
Reference FormD T1 would if not for the rear-facing motherboard power and data ports. That’s going to limit compatibility more than length. But something like the ForFun-02 Pro is pretty cool: https://youtu.be/L_Z8RY0C6LM
LTT vid: https://youtu.be/gqii2PIT4Pg
There's no sff for that, this is a new format that is mostly sold in China because it started with a Chinese YouTuber project to make a board with hidden connectors to be less visually polluted.
Pointless. Absolutely zero advantage over ITX.
Want to make a meaningful change on something? Start implementing ATX12VO and stop playing with the damn position of the ports without reason.
What is the size of this thing? I know Asrock Rack have d-itx form factor with 4 dimms. They are as wide as matx motherboards so it fits in cases like the nr100.
This is neat but looks to be slightly over engineered. I doubt it needs more than 8 pin CPU power. I get why they put the NVME on the top but we already have an ITX board with 3 NMVE.
By adding the cooler picture as well it looks like someone made a board design specifically for a single cooler to work.
As for which case, well NONE. That is a rear connection design and no SFF cases I am aware of have support for that design yet.
Imagine rear connect power with right angle power connectors and rear connect SATA with two hot swap SSD slots. You could now have an SFF case that accommodates your data hoarders without any cable management and routing to worry about, and you'd add all of 1/4" to the width. Airflow and temps should be better because there are fewer obstructions.
If there was a standard, so all the rear connections were in exactly the same spot, you could make distribution boards as part of the case, mount the motherboard directly to it with the same distance as stand offs, giving a clean look and easy cable management.
But, it'd have to be a standard and that'd be hard to get going across all manufacturers. Especially at the PSU end where they're very much different so some cabling would be required.
I reckon an ssupd meshroom v2 would do it, you can fit an ATX board in it so the extra length wouldn't be a problem and the fairly open backplane should give you access to the connectors. I mean, just spit balling, but I'd put money on it (not good money, but some money).
I’ve seen a lot of cases that are wide to accommodate a large GPU, but then there’s an empty corner if you don’t the PSU there.
And anything to avoid riser cables are good. They’re an extra cost and an extra point of failure.
Also, such cases can only accommodate itx and not mATX because they’re wide and not vertically tall. But they could accommodate a YTX board.
MATX can only get so small. I've yet to see any that are truly small. Too much Y axis space.
This YTX format would at least occupy the space that a median sized GPU is already forcing the case to encompass on that X axis.
>Too much Y axis space.
In classical layout once you account for 3+ slot GPU you're already almost clearing mATX height -- Ncase M1 Evo, Dan C4-SFX v2 are under 16L and support mATX.
seams like a good idea with the grown size of GPU's
The only reason to keep ITX is for integrated GPU only builds if this YTX existed. just my thoughts.
M.2's can go on back to have 4 dim of ram. so there are improvements to be made.
I guess my thought is if the YTX is the length of even the shortest discreet GPU's gaming worthy then ITX is irrelevant unless your going truly tiny where a D gpu wont fit, so integrated only.
Hope my though process makes sense. trying to think of the right way to describe it.
This is what I understood BUT with Mini-ITX you can fit a decent dGPU (today 4060Ti) in under 4L ..! (With internal PSU.)
You wouldn't be able to do that with this YTX... up to 175W is possible with single fan <180mm.
sorry for ignorance here. I like the looks of SFF builds but never built one. why wouldnt you be able to fit the dGPU and YTX in the small case? this is the core of my original statement.
No problem... "Small" is relative. The YTX of course could fit "small" cases just not <4L with dGPU and internal PSU "small".
[Here is an example of 3.93L](https://youtu.be/vlTvbm5X0Z4?si=HQImB_e-0Jmqt_py) ...similar story in the Velka 3.
[This is even smaller than it looks in the build video.](https://youtube.com/shorts/F_e08NwppDo?si=BOgFcYVnRRQ71det) (If you're coming from the bigger mini-ITX builds.)
Interesting idea, but it doesn't seem to add much. If I'm going larger than mini ITX, what I really want is better use of the PCIe lanes the CPU supports, and 4 RAM slots. This would be an interesting board choice if they had some PCIe slots on the new area that I could put a riser cable on. Even just one PCIe x8 or x16 that supports bifurcation. But at that point why not just go mATX, especially since mATX boards that are almost the exact same dimensions as this exist (tall and thin instead of short and wide).
I can see a use for these on the longer cases that support the 330 mm+ GPUs. But it would be better to have 4 slots for RAM and the connectors on the front to keep case width down. I don’t think anyone using an ITX case now needs 3 m.2 slots.
I believe Linus did a video on this. It was literally made along side a custom case for this board if I'm correct. Not sure if you can get any other case for it.
I don't like ATX24 on the back, I'd rather have it angled 90°
I'm not sure about the 3 nvme slots. I don't need as much on my ITX rigs, I own a NAS for storage.
Great thread, was just looking for some info on YTX cases yesterday night.
I think only a made to order metal cases, or 3D printed ones, will be realistically available for a long time.
I think it's interesting. There are some cases that have some additional space to the side to accomodate longer horizontally mounted GPUs. It would be nice to have some mobos at ITX height offer m.2 or 4 ram slots instead of having that space go to waste. If you want more m.2 expansion but you're sure you only ever going to use one expansion card on your board there is no reason to go ATX for some additional m.2 slots and with hot running pcie 5.0 drives the usual pancake tower between the GPU and CPU can be removed too.
The ultimate SFF design. Back to the roots of what it means to be [Shuttle](http://the620guy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/20160409-Shuttle_XPC_FM10_Cel_440_1GB_NO_HSF_3.jpg) Form Factor. Ill take one for my [K45](https://global.shuttle.com/products/productsDetail?pn=K45), but Im going to need a single slot 4k ready GPU.
It would give you a chance to create a sff case for it. Have fun
or this case might work
https://www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/tpaptk/ssupd\_meshlicious\_atx\_board\_custom\_water\_cooling/
Never seen YTX before. Thanks for sharing.
I believe it's a single custom board made for a modder that's now being sold standalone. I'm really keen for the form factor to gain traction though
What a missed opportunity to put 4 DIMMS on a SFF board. Those extra M2 slots could have gone on the back side. ETA- 2 vs 4 DIMMs: The ability for 2 DIMMs to clock higher is overstated and situational. It's particularly visible right now with DDR5 being the new kid on the block. This is really only relevant if you're going for XOC. Irrelevant if you're at JDEC spec, and you can still get fantastic overclocks on 4 DIMM T-topology boards. In some situations 4 DIMMs can outperform a 2 DIMM system. As an example, I haven't found a 2x32Gb DDR4 kit that can touch my 4x16Gb B-die kit for AMD systems. It's not always about raw MHz. YMWV with platform maturity. At a certain point, fewer higher capacity modules can be slower than more lower capacity modules. PCIe vs SATA: Sweet lord y'all, how much capacity do you need in a SFF build? I'm a data hoarder and 16Tb of storage with built in redundancy (4x8Gb RAID10) sounds like plenty to me. That's more than the 10Gb my current SFF build has, 8Gb of that being SATA.
Or 4DIMMs 1 m.2 next to it
Or hear me out...... 4 DIMMs and 2 M2s on the front (one next to the PCIe, one next to the DIMMS), with 2 more M2s on the back sandwiched where the ones on the front are. I'd throw a lot of money at a SFF board with 4 DIMMs and 4 M2s that I could RAID10.
Also waiting for a board that has 4 m.2s, my x299 itx has 3 m.2 and 4 dimms, but 6 SATA so storage isn't an issue
For what it's worth, Minisforum sells a motherboard (AR900i) with 4x m.2 slots. Comes with a soldered i9-13900HX and no SATA ports though.
I'd be fine with no SATA support. It's way slower than NVMe and an inefficient use of space. Seriously, tear open a SATA SSD and see how much is just empty wasted space.
True, although I'd have a hard time finding 20+ TB SSD's. I'm sure they exist but not at a reasonable price. That's assuming you need that amount of storage.
Funny thing - I'm actually looking to build a solid state SATA USB array, precisely by unpacking those 2.5" SATA SSDs to bare chip, adding a low profile heatsink to each, and dropping them in an appropriate backpane... Sadly said backpane doesn't exist (even though 20Gbps over USB3 is doable, but even 10Gb would be enough)
Reminds me of a DAS from Drobo called the Drobo Mini that supported 4x 2.5 in drives and I think an extra mSATA if I'm not mistaken. It connected via USB 3.0 and on original Thunderbolt. Though, nowadays you can probably find a DAS enclosure on Aliexpress for much cheaper.
I did check DAS enclosures but all of them are designed for full size 2.5" disks - so there's tons of space wasted. The closest I've got to my idea is a now EOL Raspberry Pi "NAS HAT" by Radxa, however, it uses 2x 5Gb USB3, and isn't made for standalone use. Best solution I could find so far was duct taping (not literally mind you) four SATA to USB adapters and a USB3 hub, but that increases the possible points of failure exponentially.
Oh, I see. You want to make it really small. Maybe play around with 3D printing the enclosure and add some mini heatsinks with thermal putty. Or something like that.
Yea NVME is great but if you need large amounts of storage (and dont need it FAST) then sata is the way
At that point, you are best off just building a NAS if speed isn’t a factor. They are very convenient for bulk storage and can do lite server things for home use.
Cold storage is another huge factor, bit rot on flash media occurs significantly faster. I think flash storage is rated to roughly 3-4 years of cold storage, hard drives are 10 years, blu ray is 30 years. Been thinking of getting blu rays for backing up infrequently changed content like family photos, videos, and old accounting records.
Wouldn't that amount of heat become an issue is SFF?
4 NVMe drives and 4 DIMMs is nothing compared to what the CPU and GPU kick out.
Yeah, but those are critical components and have their own dedicated cooling solutions that fit in SFF cases. Many already have to undervolt or throttle CPUs and GPUs with 2 DIMMS and 2 NVMes. Would the extra drives and ram sticks be inconsequential?
More DIMM slots means worse signal integrity though so they'd lose market share from XOC blokes who buy cheap ITX boards instead of 2 DIMM ATX/M-ATX XOC ones that are more than twice the price usually.
4 are way more unstable than 2 dimm, 4 dimm just a waste of space and potential stability
so what? the people still want options for more fucking ram.
Precisely. Plus, people claim RAM is dirt cheap nowadays... Which is true up to 32GB. 48GB costs over twice as much for 50% increase... So you can either buy 2x48 or 4x32 for the same price. I'd rather have the latter, please.
TIL there are 48GB ram sticks now.
Nobody ever puts 4 rams. And those that do puts 4x8gb. Fucken gay. So you can do what? Wait 2 minutes for it to post to window Gl hitting your advert ram high speed Two sticks ftw cause it looks 1000x better.
ASRock Deskmeet X600 is deep ITX with 4 DIMMs.
Yeah agreed. I guess that’s why it’s “WHYTX”
The dimms each need lots of traces and bumping that to 4 dimms would increase either board layers (not ideal for cost or overclocking). Not impossible to work around but then adding m.2 (x4 pcie lanes which are more sensitive to jitter due to tight timing) crossing under the dimms wouldn't be ideal. So if anything the 4 dimms would be horizontal with m.2 underneath it, Or more likely one m.2 above the PCIe slot and the other m.2 next to it horizontally, possibly with the motherboard chipset in between them depending on the platform. Or chipset to the right, many options. As for PCIe vs SATA you can just get a M.2 to 5x SATA breakout board so I don't really see the issue. 4x SATA+ 2x M.2 is standard for ITX. So (assuming 4 m.2 like the minisforum board) 5 sata + 3 m.2 is an upgrade, or if you really value your sata drives then 10+2.
2 is enough, even for ATX form factor.
For gaming yes, but I think a similar amount of people are thinking of this as a potential server board for a small NAS/server box. That's why lots of people are commenting on the SATA and storage options.
4 DIMMs means much worse clock speed and worse stability. Given 64GB/DIMM is already a thing most people will still just use 2.
Higher density RAM is MUCH more expensive (in terms of capacity per dollar). Some people want the option to grab cheap 4x16gb and have a good amount of ram for a server especially with the low price point of this motherboard.
Deskmeet says hi
Yeah, is that the normal layout? Seems like such a waste of extra space. You still have the limited single PCIe and 2 DIMMS but you gain... SATA ports, 24 pin power on the back (because case compatibility was hard enough before) and a second m2 slot?
Who runs 4 sticks of ram anyway? Seems like atx guys run 2 sticks more often nowadays.
I do when it makes sense. Usually that's on mature/dead platforms or a system intended for content creation that actually utilizes the extra capacity. Not everyone is a gamer, and not every system has to be tweaked and tuned to the hilt.
Bring back DTX!!
I have the x570 and it’s glorious
That's mini-DTX not [DTX form factor](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTX_\(form_factor\))
Ah my bad.
This actually looks like a better alternative to mATX.
What would be the point over this YTX approach? With today's GPUs being 2-4 slots tall, you'd block out the main benefit (the bottom PCIe port, since topmost is 99.99% the x16, followed by an x4 or x8), even with a PCIe riser.
Future expandability is a lot better with the extra PCIe slot. Make the 2nd slot x16 and you can fit an add-in card above your gpu. Super handy for my use case where I want a compact sff case for my main PC now, but intend to cycle those components into my server/nas next time I upgrade. Opens options for a network card to upgrade nics down the road, or a hbm to expand storage.
Except nobody will change the PCIe slot type order, because it's part of the standard... So good luck having x16 on the bottom.
case compatibility
Power and other connections on the backside will probably cause more compatibility problems than the extra width.
I was thinking this is an instant drop into the formd t1 and a4h20 with a psu rotation
More like whyTX
I was thinking YTF
Reference FormD T1 would if not for the rear-facing motherboard power and data ports. That’s going to limit compatibility more than length. But something like the ForFun-02 Pro is pretty cool: https://youtu.be/L_Z8RY0C6LM LTT vid: https://youtu.be/gqii2PIT4Pg
I wish I could get my hands on that build. Too bad it was such a limited run.
So the board is bigger than ITX but doesnt provide anything else that already fits in ITX?
This not a board for sff, it's just to hide the cables while the hardware gets more visible.
YTX is pretty cool, but where should you place the PSU ?
Above m.2 SSD
Is that the flattest place or something ? Can you show it ?
There's no sff for that, this is a new format that is mostly sold in China because it started with a Chinese YouTuber project to make a board with hidden connectors to be less visually polluted.
Thanks. What is this board format (just proprietary) ? https://bit.ly/49eOGqI
Pointless. Absolutely zero advantage over ITX. Want to make a meaningful change on something? Start implementing ATX12VO and stop playing with the damn position of the ports without reason.
This. ATX12VO needs to happen, 24 pin and endless wire tangling need to die
They have a reason, just not one you want.
What is the size of this thing? I know Asrock Rack have d-itx form factor with 4 dimms. They are as wide as matx motherboards so it fits in cases like the nr100.
Damn. As wide as ATX but no 4 dim slot
ASRock Rack has lots of these boards, they call it “Deep Mini-ITX.” Power connector on top side tho.
I dunno i look at this and I'm like: "this is micro ATX but the other way"
Imo thi is better than itx
This is neat but looks to be slightly over engineered. I doubt it needs more than 8 pin CPU power. I get why they put the NVME on the top but we already have an ITX board with 3 NMVE. By adding the cooler picture as well it looks like someone made a board design specifically for a single cooler to work. As for which case, well NONE. That is a rear connection design and no SFF cases I am aware of have support for that design yet.
I still dont understand why i would want rear connections for sff. Its just going to add to the minimum case volume. My 10.xL case is already too big.
Honestly short of aesthetics I am not sure there is any real benefit.
As if DIY gamers don't care about aesthetics.
Imagine rear connect power with right angle power connectors and rear connect SATA with two hot swap SSD slots. You could now have an SFF case that accommodates your data hoarders without any cable management and routing to worry about, and you'd add all of 1/4" to the width. Airflow and temps should be better because there are fewer obstructions.
If there was a standard, so all the rear connections were in exactly the same spot, you could make distribution boards as part of the case, mount the motherboard directly to it with the same distance as stand offs, giving a clean look and easy cable management. But, it'd have to be a standard and that'd be hard to get going across all manufacturers. Especially at the PSU end where they're very much different so some cabling would be required.
I reckon an ssupd meshroom v2 would do it, you can fit an ATX board in it so the extra length wouldn't be a problem and the fairly open backplane should give you access to the connectors. I mean, just spit balling, but I'd put money on it (not good money, but some money).
Goofy ah
Don't really see an advantage of this over matx or dtx, as more smaller cases are optimised for those formats.
I’ve seen a lot of cases that are wide to accommodate a large GPU, but then there’s an empty corner if you don’t the PSU there. And anything to avoid riser cables are good. They’re an extra cost and an extra point of failure. Also, such cases can only accommodate itx and not mATX because they’re wide and not vertically tall. But they could accommodate a YTX board.
The empty corner is for your pump/reservoir combo
Pass. Id rather a bigger focus on small matx cases bloom.
MATX can only get so small. I've yet to see any that are truly small. Too much Y axis space. This YTX format would at least occupy the space that a median sized GPU is already forcing the case to encompass on that X axis.
>Too much Y axis space. In classical layout once you account for 3+ slot GPU you're already almost clearing mATX height -- Ncase M1 Evo, Dan C4-SFX v2 are under 16L and support mATX.
seams like a good idea with the grown size of GPU's The only reason to keep ITX is for integrated GPU only builds if this YTX existed. just my thoughts. M.2's can go on back to have 4 dim of ram. so there are improvements to be made.
Integrated only? I don't know, but for me 4060Ti <4L is still pretty good...
I guess my thought is if the YTX is the length of even the shortest discreet GPU's gaming worthy then ITX is irrelevant unless your going truly tiny where a D gpu wont fit, so integrated only. Hope my though process makes sense. trying to think of the right way to describe it.
This is what I understood BUT with Mini-ITX you can fit a decent dGPU (today 4060Ti) in under 4L ..! (With internal PSU.) You wouldn't be able to do that with this YTX... up to 175W is possible with single fan <180mm.
sorry for ignorance here. I like the looks of SFF builds but never built one. why wouldnt you be able to fit the dGPU and YTX in the small case? this is the core of my original statement.
No problem... "Small" is relative. The YTX of course could fit "small" cases just not <4L with dGPU and internal PSU "small". [Here is an example of 3.93L](https://youtu.be/vlTvbm5X0Z4?si=HQImB_e-0Jmqt_py) ...similar story in the Velka 3. [This is even smaller than it looks in the build video.](https://youtube.com/shorts/F_e08NwppDo?si=BOgFcYVnRRQ71det) (If you're coming from the bigger mini-ITX builds.)
Not really a fan of this format as I’d prefer DTX but as for cases … any mATX. ITX wise … NR200 for sure long as you move the PSU to the front.
Interesting idea, but it doesn't seem to add much. If I'm going larger than mini ITX, what I really want is better use of the PCIe lanes the CPU supports, and 4 RAM slots. This would be an interesting board choice if they had some PCIe slots on the new area that I could put a riser cable on. Even just one PCIe x8 or x16 that supports bifurcation. But at that point why not just go mATX, especially since mATX boards that are almost the exact same dimensions as this exist (tall and thin instead of short and wide).
I can see a use for these on the longer cases that support the 330 mm+ GPUs. But it would be better to have 4 slots for RAM and the connectors on the front to keep case width down. I don’t think anyone using an ITX case now needs 3 m.2 slots.
I like the idea of those connectors on the back, but if you move those m.2 to the back as well, then I don't see a point in this size really.
Could it possibly fit in the NR200P, with the PSU in the optional spot?
Kill it with fire !
I believe Linus did a video on this. It was literally made along side a custom case for this board if I'm correct. Not sure if you can get any other case for it.
That's pretty cool. I could see such cases fitting in a M1 or NR200 with the PSU above the extended part.
A board with 6/8 m.2 slots (installed like ram) and 4 ram slot would be good for a nvme nas using zfs
I don't like ATX24 on the back, I'd rather have it angled 90° I'm not sure about the 3 nvme slots. I don't need as much on my ITX rigs, I own a NAS for storage.
Did they improve rear IO? I remember the H610 having a USB 2.0 Type C port for some inexplicable reason.
Just fyi, many low end/budget android phones also have usb 2.0 type c port.
Y
Great thread, was just looking for some info on YTX cases yesterday night. I think only a made to order metal cases, or 3D printed ones, will be realistically available for a long time.
None. None support this motherboard.
I think it's interesting. There are some cases that have some additional space to the side to accomodate longer horizontally mounted GPUs. It would be nice to have some mobos at ITX height offer m.2 or 4 ram slots instead of having that space go to waste. If you want more m.2 expansion but you're sure you only ever going to use one expansion card on your board there is no reason to go ATX for some additional m.2 slots and with hot running pcie 5.0 drives the usual pancake tower between the GPU and CPU can be removed too.
Very interesting, I think it'd be something I'd like to tinker with, but I don't know the usecase.
The ultimate SFF design. Back to the roots of what it means to be [Shuttle](http://the620guy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/20160409-Shuttle_XPC_FM10_Cel_440_1GB_NO_HSF_3.jpg) Form Factor. Ill take one for my [K45](https://global.shuttle.com/products/productsDetail?pn=K45), but Im going to need a single slot 4k ready GPU.
It would give you a chance to create a sff case for it. Have fun or this case might work https://www.reddit.com/r/sffpc/comments/tpaptk/ssupd\_meshlicious\_atx\_board\_custom\_water\_cooling/
Reminds me of DTX form factor with the bottom part chopped to match the Mini-ITX form factor height.
I just realised after a few minutes that the connectors are on the back. I forgot some of them were trying that out,
I like it, I always wanted a ITX but needed 4 dimm ram and other thing, it's a good format for having an m-atx in a kind of itx format
Rear placed power sockets is game over for the vast vast majority of cases even if the board fits. Unless you have a dremel.