At least 3 or 4 times now.
Edit: Being a mod is hard, but from my experience you're better off explaining your decision in some way. They just seem to be removing anything related to it - including questions.
Also, shoutout to our mod team. They do great work.
I'm really only in name only. I zap a couple of those shitty t-shirt scams every once in awhile during the day, but stepped away awhile ago.
Mods are a lot like refs - you only really hear about them when they do dumb stuff, but the best ones you never really hear about because they do it well.
I hate how happy this makes me and I love jokic and think he's a truly special talent . But the last 2 year all level headed sixers fans have said is that Joel's defense is much better than jokics vs. how much better jokic is on offense
It's so sad too because it seems more and more likely that Embiid will get the Ewing and Dominique treatment as time goes on. No MVPs mean that people will look back and not really understand how ridiculously good he is. An MVP or FMVP would genuinely do wonders for maintaining Embiid's legacy 30 or 40 years from now.
I definitely think Embiid is peaking higher than Ewing right now, but you can't discount how incredible Ewing was. It's interesting because they have a somewhat similar playstyle, with Ewing being a better defender and Joel having a much more developed offensive game.
I really feel like Embiid is the closest thing we have to a modern Patrick Ewing given his nice midrange and outside shot.
I honestly don't like this conceit that "well, while Embiid is clearly better than Jokic defensively, Jokic is clearly better than Embiid offensively, so it's about a wash overall."
I'm not prepared to concede that Jokic is a better offensive player. Better passer, obviously, but Embiid is in a different league than Jokic as a scorer. A 9 ppg difference between Embiid and Jokic! Jokic is closer to PJ Washington in PPG than Embiid!
Embiid and Jokic are quite different offensive players, but it seems rash to assume one is "clearly" better than the other on that end of the floor.
Question why do mvps mean so much as a fan genuinely curious, i remember drose winning over bron was pretty cool as a bulls fan but in the ultimately i wanted the championship over some regular season award
I’m not sure, I feel MVP winners fans have bragging rights till the end of the playoffs, unless their team wins the championship. I’d prefer Embiid winning finals MVP too though.
You can't convince me otherwise that the first two are basically participation awards.
The only reason he won was because he played more games.
If Booker plays 5 more games last year he probably would have been close to winning, Suns had 20 games on Nuggets and won at a .500 with Booker out v .840 rate with Booker there. Crazy valuable, difference between the Suns record and the play-in.
If Embiid doesn't get COVID, Sixer win 3 or 4 more games (2-8 during that 10 game stretch, only losing 10 game stretch of the season). Embiid has both the 1 seed and enough games played to win.
Jokic’s first MVP I believe the winning factor / argument in why he deserves it more is he played more games, then that didn’t matter as much the next year
2021:
Embiid played 51/72 games. I think Jokic played all 72.
Embiid was a better per game/minute player but didn't meet the games played threshold by a long way. Sixers finished with 3rd best record.
Jokic/Nuggets had the best league record at the time of Murrays injury.
Lots of people cite top 2 seed as the bar for MVP, its really a top 2 record in the league for 80% of the last 50 MVPs. Neither Embiid or Jokic achieved this. Jokic was the closest because Embiid didn't play enough games.
I don’t give a fuck what the stats say, this dude is not an average defensive center in the NBA. An average or better center doesn’t get benched on a defensive possession in the playoffs for a dude who doesn’t even make a roster the next season.
You cannot be the most valuable player in the league if your best form of defense is praying for a kicked ball
He’s a decent post defender but cannot guard the drive or the PnR to save his life because he’s extremely slow laterally. That’s not random shit talk, that’s just an observation.
I don’t get why people take such offense to any sort of criticism of Jokic, bad defense gets called out all the time, moreso if you’re a big. It’s not like fans are coming out the woodwork saying he contributes nothing on the floor, but his staunchest defenders will act like you killed one of their dogs or something if you even so as insinuate that he isn’t the perfect basketball player.
He's regular season harden on defense, but defending a more important position and playing that way in the playoffs.
Wild how negative threads stay up about every player not named Jokic.
You mean praying for a free rebound? lol
But seriously, I don't watch Jokic that much but his legs look dead in this clip (though
I agree his defensive stats are way overrated). Would wonder about injury/sickness because that is atrocious effort - multiple possessions that look like that one possession Jah got trolled for so much.
Saw a comment about this and how he basically tried to get the offense going with some three point attempts but his shot wouldn’t fall so it just looked like frustrated chucking. Was a true off night, and 9 is apparently his new career high for 3PA single game.
*Nuggets finish the year going .500 because everyone attacks Jokic on defense, while the sixers go 16-2 beating Celtics, Bucks, Nuggets along the way*
Bill Simmons: well I would vote for Embiid for MVP but the aggregators are MEAN to me. So I won’t.
Jokic is a great player. Full stop.
That said. This kind of clip is why Denver from the regular season won’t translate to the playoffs.
Give a good coach 7 games over 2 weeks to laser target Jokic on defense and the Nuggets are in trouble.
If I’m Malone, I actually consider playing him defensively at the 4 or going with a TON of 3 - 2 zone with Gordon as the hinge.
You can’t play him at the four with how slow he is honestly. He’s getting fried at the five. He will be exploited no matter what in the playoffs. Nuggets have no shot at making the finals with him at center. He is not even an average defensive center and idk what the analytics say. Foot speed is obviously bad, but he’s not even getting a hand up in any of these clips
If you check the plyometric advance defensive raptor stats, you’d notice that Jokic was actually the best defender on the floor and this video was created to slander Jokic elite defensive game.
Bro you just don't understand, this may look bad but look at the stats, his Passing into Shooting Situations per game and his Complex Unified Movements per possession are both the highest of any Center in league history. His PISS and CUM bro, Please bro, think of his PISS and CUM.
Honestly surprised how good he is on offense with how unathletic, slow and low effort on defense he is. The league is lucky he's not more athletic and a little more hustle.
What if I told you there is a statistic so advanced that it accounts for the 6-D chess move of creating a false sense of security that lulls the opponent and passively decreases their overall offensive rating over the course of a game. Would you be shocked to learn that Jokic is the league leader in such a statistic, and that number 2 isn’t even close?
Introducing JOKIC:
**Japing**
**O**pponents, all the while
**K**nowing
**I**t will lead to their eventual
**C**ollapse in the end
And before you ask, no I did not reverse engineer this statistic to favor things Jokic is good at.
I just can’t wrap my head around the fact that people think Jokic contributes SO MUCH more on offense that his terrible defense is irrelevant for MVP voting. Like Embiid is scoring champ last season, and might get it again this season AND putting up tons of assists and rebounds (though obviously not as many as Joker but of course not when he has an elite facilitator like Harden to do that). And then elite defense by Embiid, yet somehow that is irrelevant?
Like you can’t even say defense matters anymore it’s so sad.
Dude this honestly just makes me angry. Jokic is most likely gonna get his 3rd MVP, when half of his play looks like this. In 10 years they’ll invent an advanced stat that actually makes sense and everyone will see how outclassed Jokic is by his peers(Embiid, Durant, Giannis)
It's a shame there are no good defensive metrics. Otherwise, it'd be clear that Joel is a more valuable player, overall. Jokic is better than him offensively, no argument here, but the gap between Jokic and Embiid defensively is massive. Joel is a 1-man defense, whereas Jokic will be a liability. I'm not sure how that gets lost so badly in this whole discussion.
It's wild to me that the media values Jokic's assist numbers soooo much more than Embiid's vastly superior defense. Assists are great, but that means he's deferring to a less talented to player, while Joel is getting the job done himself which is practically the definition of valuable. So when the game winds down and Jokic has the ball, we're going to reward him for getting rid of it in favor of a less talented player taking the shot?
Anyways, I hope Jokic wins the award and flames out hard in the playoffs due to bad defense so the media can realize how dumb it is to award the MVP based entirely off of advanced stats.
The NBA media is going to ruin Jokic. People keep talking about our flame outs, but if he wins a third MVP in a row and doesn't make it out of the second round, that's got to fuck his mind up. Compilation clips exist of a lot of players who are shit on defense, but they're trying to give a man with sensational offense but terrible defense the title of best in the world essentially for three years running.
I mean you could make a similar video with Embiid over like 5 games. Heck there’s probably a game they’ve played where he was about this disinterested on defense
removed by the moderators of r/nba LOOOOOOOL
straight to the top if it's Westbrook
At least 3 or 4 times now. Edit: Being a mod is hard, but from my experience you're better off explaining your decision in some way. They just seem to be removing anything related to it - including questions. Also, shoutout to our mod team. They do great work.
Yes, you guys do. Trolling, spam, and low effort shit is generally removed pretty quickly. Thank you.
I'm really only in name only. I zap a couple of those shitty t-shirt scams every once in awhile during the day, but stepped away awhile ago. Mods are a lot like refs - you only really hear about them when they do dumb stuff, but the best ones you never really hear about because they do it well.
It's been removed like 4 times!
Legit wonder why they removed it? Just to troll people or?
Bro there was an entire highlight reel of embiid getting "targeted" by the raps last playoffs. This shit is pathetic..
I hate how happy this makes me and I love jokic and think he's a truly special talent . But the last 2 year all level headed sixers fans have said is that Joel's defense is much better than jokics vs. how much better jokic is on offense
I don’t even think the gap on offense is that huge. Plenty of players playmakers I’d choose embiid over
It's so sad too because it seems more and more likely that Embiid will get the Ewing and Dominique treatment as time goes on. No MVPs mean that people will look back and not really understand how ridiculously good he is. An MVP or FMVP would genuinely do wonders for maintaining Embiid's legacy 30 or 40 years from now.
Embiid is way better than Ewing
I definitely think Embiid is peaking higher than Ewing right now, but you can't discount how incredible Ewing was. It's interesting because they have a somewhat similar playstyle, with Ewing being a better defender and Joel having a much more developed offensive game. I really feel like Embiid is the closest thing we have to a modern Patrick Ewing given his nice midrange and outside shot.
So hard to compare Embiid to anyone he can shoot like Dirk and has the size of Shaq
The gap on offense is arguably non existent. He’s one of the best scoring big men of all time
You don't need the big man qualification. He is one of the best scorers of all time.
You hardly need the "one of" qualification. He's 7th all time in PPG, and first all time in Point/36
Pretty sure he is first in pts/minute all time as well
>ReportSaveFollow In reality Joel is the same as Jokic on offense. It's a casual take to say Jokic is far better
I honestly don't like this conceit that "well, while Embiid is clearly better than Jokic defensively, Jokic is clearly better than Embiid offensively, so it's about a wash overall." I'm not prepared to concede that Jokic is a better offensive player. Better passer, obviously, but Embiid is in a different league than Jokic as a scorer. A 9 ppg difference between Embiid and Jokic! Jokic is closer to PJ Washington in PPG than Embiid! Embiid and Jokic are quite different offensive players, but it seems rash to assume one is "clearly" better than the other on that end of the floor.
I can feel the narrative shifting it’s wonderful
R/NBA’s great awakening
I used to pray for times like this
You love to see it. Sadly, Jokic will win his 3rd straight MVP over Embiid.
Question why do mvps mean so much as a fan genuinely curious, i remember drose winning over bron was pretty cool as a bulls fan but in the ultimately i wanted the championship over some regular season award
I’m not sure, I feel MVP winners fans have bragging rights till the end of the playoffs, unless their team wins the championship. I’d prefer Embiid winning finals MVP too though.
Only player to win 3 in a row and not even make it to a finals in that run. Not even Jordan got 3 in a row.
This is the guy the league wants to give 3 straight MVPs to?
You can't convince me otherwise that the first two are basically participation awards. The only reason he won was because he played more games. If Booker plays 5 more games last year he probably would have been close to winning, Suns had 20 games on Nuggets and won at a .500 with Booker out v .840 rate with Booker there. Crazy valuable, difference between the Suns record and the play-in. If Embiid doesn't get COVID, Sixer win 3 or 4 more games (2-8 during that 10 game stretch, only losing 10 game stretch of the season). Embiid has both the 1 seed and enough games played to win.
Jokic’s first MVP I believe the winning factor / argument in why he deserves it more is he played more games, then that didn’t matter as much the next year
2021: Embiid played 51/72 games. I think Jokic played all 72. Embiid was a better per game/minute player but didn't meet the games played threshold by a long way. Sixers finished with 3rd best record. Jokic/Nuggets had the best league record at the time of Murrays injury. Lots of people cite top 2 seed as the bar for MVP, its really a top 2 record in the league for 80% of the last 50 MVPs. Neither Embiid or Jokic achieved this. Jokic was the closest because Embiid didn't play enough games.
"Just seems so easy for Chicago to get close in shots" Might be the first objective call I have heard that Nugget announcer give
I don’t give a fuck what the stats say, this dude is not an average defensive center in the NBA. An average or better center doesn’t get benched on a defensive possession in the playoffs for a dude who doesn’t even make a roster the next season. You cannot be the most valuable player in the league if your best form of defense is praying for a kicked ball
They signed Deandre for this reason only, to make him look so much better.
Come on, that’s just obviously not true
We did the same for embiid, advanced maneuver by Morey to try to give him the leg up in the mvp race last year
But it did the opposite.
I think he's making a joke lol
Yeah, I guess I missed out on that. Whoops
Well at least I hope he's joking! Haha
He's average in a vacuum. He fucking blows as a center
He’s a decent post defender but cannot guard the drive or the PnR to save his life because he’s extremely slow laterally. That’s not random shit talk, that’s just an observation. I don’t get why people take such offense to any sort of criticism of Jokic, bad defense gets called out all the time, moreso if you’re a big. It’s not like fans are coming out the woodwork saying he contributes nothing on the floor, but his staunchest defenders will act like you killed one of their dogs or something if you even so as insinuate that he isn’t the perfect basketball player.
He's regular season harden on defense, but defending a more important position and playing that way in the playoffs. Wild how negative threads stay up about every player not named Jokic.
i laughed so hard when he tried to kick the ball on the vucevic 3
Name me the starting centers with worse defense than Jokic. There can’t be more than 3.
Preach
This dude plays d like a rocket league goalie
What is this supposed to mean
It means he fucking blows at defense.
Rocket league “goalies” are bad at defense?
You mean praying for a free rebound? lol But seriously, I don't watch Jokic that much but his legs look dead in this clip (though I agree his defensive stats are way overrated). Would wonder about injury/sickness because that is atrocious effort - multiple possessions that look like that one possession Jah got trolled for so much.
I was thinking this too I didn’t watch the game but saw he also took 9 threes even though he only averages 2 attempts which is very telling
Saw a comment about this and how he basically tried to get the offense going with some three point attempts but his shot wouldn’t fall so it just looked like frustrated chucking. Was a true off night, and 9 is apparently his new career high for 3PA single game.
*Nuggets finish the year going .500 because everyone attacks Jokic on defense, while the sixers go 16-2 beating Celtics, Bucks, Nuggets along the way* Bill Simmons: well I would vote for Embiid for MVP but the aggregators are MEAN to me. So I won’t.
He’s getting cooked every play lol
In all fairness you can't consider it getting cooked if he doesn't attempt to defend.
Oversized traffic cone looking ass
Jokic is a great player. Full stop. That said. This kind of clip is why Denver from the regular season won’t translate to the playoffs. Give a good coach 7 games over 2 weeks to laser target Jokic on defense and the Nuggets are in trouble. If I’m Malone, I actually consider playing him defensively at the 4 or going with a TON of 3 - 2 zone with Gordon as the hinge.
You can’t play him at the four with how slow he is honestly. He’s getting fried at the five. He will be exploited no matter what in the playoffs. Nuggets have no shot at making the finals with him at center. He is not even an average defensive center and idk what the analytics say. Foot speed is obviously bad, but he’s not even getting a hand up in any of these clips
At this point I'm over the MVP stuff... But man this is some all-star game defensive effort.
I'm pretty sure Jokic is #1 in the THYBULLE advanced stats.
It’s funny that Giannis is considered the best player in the NBA for the fact that he plays defense, but Embiid never gets that recognition lol
Yeah but my excel sheet says hes the GOAT defender so idk what to tell you.
If you check the plyometric advance defensive raptor stats, you’d notice that Jokic was actually the best defender on the floor and this video was created to slander Jokic elite defensive game.
Jokic needs to do some plyometrics
Only interested in Defensive RAPTOR.
2022 Donovan Mitchell level defense 💪💪
Yeah but look at that VORP though…
No players losin sleep when they have to play jokic opposed to giannas and embiid
Bro you just don't understand, this may look bad but look at the stats, his Passing into Shooting Situations per game and his Complex Unified Movements per possession are both the highest of any Center in league history. His PISS and CUM bro, Please bro, think of his PISS and CUM.
Holdin' the door, Holdin' the door, Hold the door, Oak-a-door, Ok-a-for. Oh Okafor, that's my name.
Most Valuable traffic cone My favorite: the failed attempts at kick ball violations
Enough Jokic spam on r/sixers.
Disagree. MOAR
Yeah, this is hilarious
It got removed in r/nba, so I’d rather see it here than not at all
I miss the old Jokic, set on his goals Jokic
buddy is bbq chicken on D
Honestly surprised how good he is on offense with how unathletic, slow and low effort on defense he is. The league is lucky he's not more athletic and a little more hustle.
Thats not only bad defense, that is pure laziness.
The Nuggets defense in general looks awful
What if I told you there is a statistic so advanced that it accounts for the 6-D chess move of creating a false sense of security that lulls the opponent and passively decreases their overall offensive rating over the course of a game. Would you be shocked to learn that Jokic is the league leader in such a statistic, and that number 2 isn’t even close? Introducing JOKIC: **Japing** **O**pponents, all the while **K**nowing **I**t will lead to their eventual **C**ollapse in the end And before you ask, no I did not reverse engineer this statistic to favor things Jokic is good at.
But the advanced stats say he’s the GOAT
Also I really hope we make it to the finals and we play the nuggets. I want Embiid to tear Jokic up in a big stage
Nugs would be mid level playoff team in the east. West sucks these days. Sixers would be fifty wins deep now with that schedule.
I just can’t wrap my head around the fact that people think Jokic contributes SO MUCH more on offense that his terrible defense is irrelevant for MVP voting. Like Embiid is scoring champ last season, and might get it again this season AND putting up tons of assists and rebounds (though obviously not as many as Joker but of course not when he has an elite facilitator like Harden to do that). And then elite defense by Embiid, yet somehow that is irrelevant? Like you can’t even say defense matters anymore it’s so sad.
Wow, hes even better than I thought. Definitely helps his case.
So valuable
Dude this honestly just makes me angry. Jokic is most likely gonna get his 3rd MVP, when half of his play looks like this. In 10 years they’ll invent an advanced stat that actually makes sense and everyone will see how outclassed Jokic is by his peers(Embiid, Durant, Giannis)
It’s well-established that Jokic is a defensive liability. People just don’t care for some reason though lol.
Since we don’t play tonight…I’m going to watch this for 2hrs Serious question, how does he get +10reb/gm while being nailed to the floor?
First round exit for these fools!
Wow! I really like this
What was that defense at 1:50. Jokic tried to kick him
It's a shame there are no good defensive metrics. Otherwise, it'd be clear that Joel is a more valuable player, overall. Jokic is better than him offensively, no argument here, but the gap between Jokic and Embiid defensively is massive. Joel is a 1-man defense, whereas Jokic will be a liability. I'm not sure how that gets lost so badly in this whole discussion. It's wild to me that the media values Jokic's assist numbers soooo much more than Embiid's vastly superior defense. Assists are great, but that means he's deferring to a less talented to player, while Joel is getting the job done himself which is practically the definition of valuable. So when the game winds down and Jokic has the ball, we're going to reward him for getting rid of it in favor of a less talented player taking the shot? Anyways, I hope Jokic wins the award and flames out hard in the playoffs due to bad defense so the media can realize how dumb it is to award the MVP based entirely off of advanced stats.
The NBA media is going to ruin Jokic. People keep talking about our flame outs, but if he wins a third MVP in a row and doesn't make it out of the second round, that's got to fuck his mind up. Compilation clips exist of a lot of players who are shit on defense, but they're trying to give a man with sensational offense but terrible defense the title of best in the world essentially for three years running.
Literally just watch any game Embiid plays vs Jokic. He literally cooks him every time. Didn’t he drop 50 last time?
No way a comment says he’s an average nba defender. Lol
Zero resistance. Offense going right after his sorry ass
I’m sure JJ Reddick sees nothing wrong with this.
Thank you!!!!!!!!!!
you guys need to get more creative and call it a bulls highlights video not mention jokic's terrible defense.
I mean you could make a similar video with Embiid over like 5 games. Heck there’s probably a game they’ve played where he was about this disinterested on defense
Go on.
Damn.
Man that looks like an MVP right there.... 😳 It's like MVP only considers offense entirely and you're almost deducted points if you play defense