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Honestly If I was just as talented as Haaland, Mbappe and Vini I don't think I would be able to function without a Therapist 24/7 with me.
Just little things triggers me a lot I can't even imagine the pressure you have as a world class footballer.
To be world class you need to be fit and have talent but I think most important your mentality should be just as good as those two.
Raw talent he's even better than the two. Just not as physically gifted as haaland and mbappé. But you're a r/soccer user, of course vini is not good enough in your eyes
Lol no he isn’t…..
Mbappe was better at 18 than Vinicius is now and Haalands goal contributions, even if his general play is behind will never be matched by Vinicius.
I look at it as a comparison to Messi and Ronaldo compared Neymar.
Neymar was obviously world class, as is Vinicius but he was never on their level.
Rashford is 25 and doesn't have the technical skill of Mbappe, nor positional skill and physicality of Haaland.
There is no point comparing them, as they are miles apart.
True don't forget he's had easily 30+ g/a seasons for the last 3/4 seasons. I think he can easily keep his goal scoring runs til his early 30s. Shame he wasted most of his teenage years playing second fiddle to fellaini up top
Ribery is 10x better than rashford ever was. I dont think thats a good comparison. Ribery shoudlve won a ballondor and couldve been even better if it wasnt for his injures
Nono I meant he could he like ribery in the future. Mbappe and haaland could be the Messi/Ronaldo of their generation while someone like rashy could be an outsider and maybe win an award or two
>Ribery shoudlve won a ballondor
Such a laughable take. Ronaldo that year was so, so much better by every metric. People just say this because he won a treble as if team.trophies should decide who wins Ballon d'or. Even without Ronaldo winning Messi should have won it. It's a pisstake to claim anyone should have won a ballon d'or over those 2 in those years
Stats have been brought up countless times, look them up. You're comparing a left midfielder with a left forward, so the metrics should and must be different. If roles were reversed, ni one would dare say treble winner Ronaldo did not deserve to win.
> You're comparing a left midfielder with a left forward
Wasn't the difference between their assists like 8 or 9? It's not even like Ribery was creating way more. Meanwhile Ronaldo still managed to score 40 more.
> If roles were reversed, ni one would dare say treble winner Ronaldo did not deserve to win.
Lmao you think this sub/the media would be saying should Ronaldo if Ribery outscored him by 40 goals? Really?
Forwards generally get the most assists as well as the most goals - Which is pretty obvious when you realize most assists tend to be lay-offs for a tap-in and rebounds. Chances are the players closest to the goal will be the ones involved. In anycase all of this is beside the point - Ronaldo did not top score in either 2017 or 2018, and neither did Messi in 2021. If there is a strong Barcelona or Madrid candidate for the Ballon D'Or they always win even if there was a better team/player - It takes a very bad season from both teams for that to not be the case.
So if Bayern loses the dfb pokal then Ribery wouldn't have deserved the ballon d'or? It's really, really dumb to judge individuals solely on their team achievements.
>So if Bayern loses the dfb pokal then Ribery wouldn't have deserved the ballon d'or? It's really, really dumb to judge individuals solely on their team achievements.
No, but to get a win over a Reak Madrid/Barcelona player one generally has to have had a massive season.
Ribery dominated every attacking Metric except goal/assist that year. I am a Messi fan, but still surprised how Messi came 2nd that year with half year out injured.
I mean Modric did not dominate anything, but still won. Different roles, different metrics.
Also, i assist Ribery was not that far off. If bayern had lewa that season he would really have the assist record.
Nani avarage season is Rashfords worst for United stat wise. Marcus got 30+ GA in 3 out of last 4 senior years. Before that in his teenage years he was getting 20+.
Marcus is level above Nani but bellow Ribery.
He’s 25 and will be 26 for most of this upcoming season. He’s nearing what are supposed to be his prime years. I think rashford’s at the level of someone like Marco Reus, very good player but not a “superstar” like Mbappe or Haaland. But maybe he’ll bang 40 or 50 goals this season, we’ll see.
Ribery played as an inverted winger and never managed a season with more than 20 goals in all competitions. Do you honestly think there's no one playing above that level currently?
I mean sure I was watching bayern in 2013 probably just as much as you watch any other top team now. How many do you think are a lot better than that prime ribery right now? Maybe I’m forgetting people
Bro, Haaland has 211 senior goals in 244 games. Rashford has 139 senior goals in 412 games. And Rashford has done absolutely nothing in the CL. So as far as being a goalscorer, yes they are miles apart
If classed as a striker, Rashford was in the 92nd percentile for goals per 90 last season, Haaland was obviously 99nd percentile.
That is not "miles apart" - Haaland to Weghorst is miles apart.
Never disputed that there was a gap between them, as it is obvious.
Geez people just love to parrot this. Drinking has a significant effect yes, but a huge part is also genetics. Russel Brand is much older and *definitely* didn't have a better lifestyle and he looks younger.
Brand looks after himself like it's going out of style. He's also been sober for like 20 years. It's not about people loving to parrot something that's not really true... Alcohol ages you like a mofo. It's absolutely awful in that regard. A couple of examples to the contrary doesn't dispute this fact.
I know lots of folks who look 12 years older than I am, and we're the same age. I might even be slightly older. And the one consistent thing about them is they drink like fish.
You can get away with drinking too much alcohol as a teenager/early 20’s but that shit catches up with you hard if you keep going into your 30’s like he has.
I really hope people won't start making the same mistakes with good players like they did in the Messi/Ronaldo era, where they'd compare everyone to those two.
Mbappé and Haaland are in a different category. Other players don't need to be that good to be excellent in their own ways.
He is nowhere the other two and you’re talking as if leading Brazil to a WC is an easy job,lol! The guy has only 2 goal for the national team so far! Comparing that with Mbappe’s 40 goals shows their difference
Rashford is probably never going to achieve Haaland ot Mbappe levels and there is nothing wrong with that. Even a step away from those two he can be a key component in a very dominant team. He is still relatively young, has been playing at the highest level with Man U for a while and has shown he can be a valuable goal contributor. If he gets a little more consistent and les streaky he will be remembered as a world class forward in his own right.
I completely agree. For the next five years, if he can do what Mane did for Liverpool or Son is doing for Spurs, I'd be more than happy. Both amazing players but with different levels of team success. The fate of the team is not just contingent on him.
He could be but I'm not sure United can get to that level.
Things can change fast but when I look at them, I still see a side that will battle for 4th and be far away from anything major.
While you guys look like having a team that will be in the title race again and are even stronger than last year.
Fair point, but this time last year nobody even considered Arsenal for a title challenge realistically. All the components have to be in the right place and Arsenal very nearly got it all right, but seeing what Ten Hag is currently doing at United has me hopeful that we're moving in a similar direction.
That's true but they had also just choked away 4th.
However they did have some talented pieces and good additions joined that squad.
If all your players hit there best form together, I could see it, I guess.
ETH did some good things last year but truly as a season it felt a fair bit like OGS's time, with better breaks in the cup draw.
Not a millon miles, lets not pretend he is some mediocre player. In his best form he is probably still a step below both of them, but if he can maintain that form troughout a season and be instrumental in winning them silverware his stock will suddenly rise and the popular opinion on him will change.
In four top flight seasons, a 22-year Haaland has scored 98 league goals from 102 appearances, in eight top-flight seasons (assuming Ligue 1 is top flight!) a 24-year old Mbappe has scored 164 league goals from 217 appearances.
In contrast, in eight top-flight seasons a 25 year old Rashford has scored 76 league goals from 239 appearances.
Haaland is 0.96 goals per game, Mbappe is 0.76 goals per game, Rashford is 0.31 goals per game.
He's a million miles away from those two.
However if we're being kind and assuming that Rashford can continue his form from last season for the rest of his career (I don't think he will) then he would easily be among the best players in the world. Last season he had like 41 goal contributions in 56 games, that is ridiculously good. Still a step away from Haaland and Mbappe but not that far away.
I think it's also important to look at the teams that each player is in, Haaland and Mbappe are in the dominant teams of their leagues, and in Haaland's case he's in the best team in the whole world. If we're using another player for comparison, I actually think Harry Kane had a more impressive season than Haaland did, simply because that Spurs team was a complete mess for most of the season and he pretty much single handed kept them competitive, and had an amazing return in goals. I legit think that if you put Kane into that Man City side then he probably would've had a similar season that Haaland had and everyone is using as evidence of Haaland being the best player.
But isn't that the issue with Rashford. His "form from last season" was just a purple patch of 2 months post the world cup. He has never been consistent
Ah nice, another stat nonce. Just disregard everything else ive said, about how he could become better and more valuable for the team if he becomes more consistent and still be a step below those two.
Just point at their career goals and ignore that players other than outliers like Haaland and Mbappe often have a moment where it all comes together and they start becoming more prolific and key players in their team.
Just forget that Rashford so far hasn't been the main goalscorer let alone the key forward and has been playing a different role in far more disfunctional and less dominant teams. Just compare goal output to justify him being shit.
> Ah nice, another stat nonce
It's fucking goals lmfao he's a forward. Hardly some deep specific statistic.
>nd has been playing a different role in far more disfunctional and less dominant teams.
Haaland was far better in Dortmund and Salzburg. And Mbappe is a lot better at everything else not just scoring
How many assists does he have, is he versatile? Can he be a striker can he be proper winger ? Has his presence on the pitch helped the striker score more goals ?
> Just point at their career goals and ignore that players other than outliers like Haaland and Mbappe often have a moment where it all comes together and they start becoming more prolific and key players in their team
For Haaland and Mbappe this happened when they were 18/19 (arguably even earlier). They have been this prolific and this good ever since they started paying professional football. Rashford has been at it for 8 years with United and it he still isn't close. That's not to say it can't happen, some players become world beaters in their late 20s/early thirties. But there's nothing we've seen so far to suggest that Rashford can emulate Mbappe or Haaland
>nonce.
Really? Grow up.
Rooney's quote was specifically about scoring goals. I think it's pretty fucking appropriate to highlight goal scoring records when discussing scoring of goals...
Tbf saying it like that is removing a the context.
Like if you call someone a grammar Nazi, it doesn't mean you're calling them an actually Nazi.
Not saying it wasn't an odd insult though.
What are you even talking about lol. This post specifically is about comparing him to Haaland and Mbappe. And he's miles behind them in 11 out of 12 months. Stats show that and the eye test does that as well. All the "ifs" and "coulds" when talking about Rashford don't change that. The topic isn't him being shit but being pretty mediocre apart from a few weeks each season.
56 Games, 30 goals and 11 assits last season
If he keeps replicating those numbers on a consistant basis each season and drives utd to significant silverware then he can get to that level
One of his seasons?
He had one year where he went missing and it was when his team did the same.
The guy even got to decent numbers playing while injured.
Rashford is nowhere near those two and he's also not as good as people think.
Yes, I know he scored 30 goals last season. many said he's world-class because of this and more.
But honestly, watching every single United game and he's the same as last season when some said he was shit, the difference is he scored more this time, everything else is the same,
Still can't beat his man on the wing, you can even bet on it, the same old running into a wall and losing the ball,
Still can't head the ball, can't play as a striker, not good enough as a winger.
And worse of all, he's getting lazy, already acting like Mbappe, Messi, and Ronaldo.
Halland, on the other hand, is working very hard on the pitch for his team.
I think you’re being harsh. But at the same time, I get what you mean. The arsenal game for example is a great showing of rashford. Moments of brilliance, but also utterly useless at points. He either needs to have many more moments of brilliance, or be just be a decent serviceable winger even when he’s not on form.
dude you're full of shit! Rashford has improved massively in not just scoring but creating as well.
>Still can't beat his man on the wing, you can even bet on it, the same old running into a wall and losing the ball, Still can't head the ball, can't play as a striker, not good enough as a winger.
you can't be serious with this shit. He's been united's best winger and striker last season
Improved massively 😂😂😂
You can’t be serious. I spoke facts as a fan who watched the game.
He was good for 2 months last season when he always scored then back to being useless towards the end of the season.
Our best winger my ass, Garnacho was better at left wing then he was. Even Antony whose output was mid is a better winger than Rashford, at least he was tracking back while Rash was fucking lazy because he thought he’s Mbappe.
So clearly you are talking shite.
Some of these simps need to start watching games instead of highlights.
Just it happened during Messi-Cristiano era, all players at 25 or younger will be compared to aliens like Mbappe & Haaland. And going by Rooney's comment on titles, then Harry Kane must've neve been a top class striker.
I don’t think that last sentence is the correct conclusion to reach. He can think Harry Kane is a top class striker but without a top class legacy. The legacy takes the titles into consideration, how good a striker Kane is doesn’t necessarily need titles to be taken into consideration.
Cos that's going to be the level players what to reach.
I think Rooney is saying a way for Rashford to get in that conversation would be to be a driving force in getting titles.
He isn't saying it's true of every player ever.
Kane is world class but playing a key role in titles would also put him on am even higher level. But then say just going to Munich and picking up there yearly title also wouldn't elevate him that much but it would be nice for him to have.
If he was key in a CL run it would put him up a notch.
Benz was great but that last CL run truly added to his legacy.
Kane's talent is a tier or two below the likes of Mbappe or Haaland.
He was never regarded as a potential ballon d'or winner ever like those two.
For those accolades, you need to have collective success which is what Rooney is pointing to with Rashford.
You are out of your mind, I hate the narrative around Tottenhams players, so fucking shit, Son, Kane, Alderweireld, Dembele, Erikson were world class players in their day, and they deserve criticism cause they played for Tottenham, and the culture of the club hasn't caught up to the talent they are trying for, but stop with the shIte narrative around some of their players man.
It doesn't help when stupid as Neville and Carragher pick 13 goal contributions Foden over top scorer and 31 goal contributions Son.
Harry Kane is world class and the only thing left for him to do, is to do it in the big games, for the better teams, that does not put him 2 tiers below those players you mentioned, Kane, does not get his credit for how good he has been.
I don't even think Son understands how good he is.
No one's talking about Spurs.
The point was about Mbappe and Haaland's talent compared to Kane.
The former two are heirs of CR7-Messi, Kane isn't. No one's discussing if they're good or not lol.
Bro, Mbappe is the best talent, but Kane is just as talented as a footballer as Haaland, and they are not heirs to jack shit, completely different players who have their own story to write, long long way to go to be mentioned in the same breathe, they ain't even half way there.
you're downvoted but you're correct, people just dont like mbappe and love kane.
mbappe at 24 is already a better player than kane. kane's best season doesn't come close to mbappe. fuck it, mbappe in his year with monaco (2018) did more than kane has done his whole career in terms of accolades.
If Kane had gone to City and they achieved what they did last season surely he'd have been in the running for Ballon d'Or (not win it with Messi winning WC, obviously).
He's not in the running because of who he plays for.
> This is an absolutely absurd take, his scoring record speaks for itself.
Mbappe and Haaland at 24 and 22 respectfully have had higher peaks than Kane has ever had till the age of 29 unless you've been living under a rock.
Haaland is going to be a top 3 ballon d'or candidate this year at 22 after scoring 50+ goals the previous season.
Kane at 29 hasn't had a season like that yet.
Mbappe has had similar output but since he's in Ligue 1, he's not going to be lauded as much but still has had an equally impressive peak the season before.
Kane isn't in their tier or close.
Haaland's 52 goal season was absurd, and sure Kane hasn't matched that. But the most Mbappe has managed is a 42 goal season, while Kane has had a 41 goal season, so I struggle to see your logic here.
Are we not going to take into consideration the fact that these two play in very different environments? One plays for the top team in his league by miles while the other plays for a team with a trophy winning allergy?
Wasn't the bundesliga a farmers league until Haaland came and destroyed PL defences.
Mbappe has done it in the UCL for Monaco and France as well, so the farmer's league argument for Mbappe is moot. Kane hasn't done it for any of his teams. Mbappe beat PSG with Monaco at 17, common man, this isn't even close.
I have never said BL is a farmer's league. A quick view at Haaland record tells me he did not score any against English sides whilst playing with Dortmund in the CL. Besides you think Kane wouldn't score many playing that City team?
Anyway Mbappe has won a lot more than Kane. Considering he is playing in Ligue 1 in a team so much stronger on paper than the rest of the league I consider winning the league the standard for PSG yet they lost to Lille. He has also won the World Cup, but they also had leaders in that French side like Pogba, Kante and Griezmann. Mbappe of course contributed to the success of that side with 4 goals. Whereas Harry Kane scored 6 goals in that World Cup. In terms of CL, Mbappe has scored more goals but he has also played with better teammates.
At the end of the day there is no doubting Mbappe is a generational player, but to say he is ahead of Kane by simply comparing the goals and assists without considering the league and team they play in is not right.
Mbappe has a great track record in the UCL as well as for his country. Sure, circumstances matter but Mbappe is a much better talent and that's based on achievements, not an opinion, he has actually willed his teams forward to collective success, Kane hasn't done at once at the club or country level.
In fact, he already has a better legacy than Kane in that regard. Is Monaco a much better environment than Spurs as well that it was unfair for a 17-year-old Mbappe to do well? How about defeating PSG with Monaco for Ligue 1? That doesn't count either.
That is ridiculous.
If Kane were at a better club he'd be in the running. He scored 30 in the PL last season in a creatively devoid Tottenham. Imagine Bruno Fernandes, KDB, Messi or Odegaard supplying him.
I think in Rashfords defence, City would have had a chance at the treble with our without Haaland - trophies are not all individual merit, given i would say Kane is on level comfortably with all three and sadly has squat (never forget Audi Cup 2018).
I always find this stat about his goal contributions funny, because of course he got more than half of his contributions after the world Cup, that's when he played most of his games lol.
Before World Cup
22 games
15 goal contributions
0.68 goal contributions per game
After World Cup
34 games
26 goal contributions
0.76 goal contributionsper game
So yeah he did better after the World Cup, but he wasn't exactly playing poorly before then. If we assumed he didn't improve after the World Cup then instead of 41 goal contributions he would have had 38. Rashford's 'streakiness' is vastly exaggerated.
The point Op is making is those 2 outlier months make his season look a lot better than it was.
He was averaging a goal a game for almost 15-20 games. If you take that out, his season does good at best.
At the end of the season, he still led his team to a successful season so I don't completely agree but he could've possibly had a 50 G/A season if he kept some of his form throughout and he has the talent for that. The difference between the peak and median forms is a bit much atm.
Rashford was getting a goal or assist per game from November to around April, which is when he got injured. What you're basically saying is that if we removed the majority of games Rashford played, he didn't actually do that well. I hope you realise how silly that is
Your numbers above aren't even right pal, as you can see for yourself on fbref. He killed it between January and March to be fair but come on... I haven't even said something outrageous.
Transfermarkt doesn't even have performance based stats, just your basic goals/assist/cards/minutes played?? No wonder you try to argue againts op here, you haven't even checked the stats... Killed it between January and February/mid March, before and after the stats in every aspect are below the league average
Well what stats are you referring to? I was on about games played and goal contributions per game which you can figure out from transfermarkt stats. So yes the stats I am using are correct for what I was saying are correct.
But hey if you have ones that show what your claiming, then by all means provide them. But even then you're still saying that if we take the majority of the season way he isn't good which is still a frankly a silly as fuck thing to claim. Obviously if you take most of the season away it won't look good. Mr Genius here is surprised that players get more goal contributions when they play more games, and get less goal contributions when you take most of the games they played.
Not getting one goal contribution in between several games where he was doesn't mean it was now only a streak. And like I said beyond that he was still pretty much getting a goal contribution every other game. Is Haaland streaky now because he got most of his goals early in the season?
Most of the season he plays well but just because at the tail end of the season he only gets a goal contribution every other game because he's injured, he's nos streaky. One hell of a purple patch he has if it's netted him 30+ goal contributions in 3 seasons.
Still had 8 goals and 3 assists in all comps before the WC. While that is not good and not to the level he got to after the WC, to call it dreadful is the other extreme
Edit: it was in 21 games
Then you're a fool, disliking a player for a penalty miss is cruel.
Then you add in the situation he was in of barely being on the pitch before having to take it.
I'm not against bringing on players for pens as it can work but they should have come on earlier and we should have been trying to win rather than suffering the inevitable penalty loss.
Saka missed and I hold no ill will to him, glad he's doing well, the same with anyone that missed.
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No pressure Marcus!
I mean, if he wants to be up there with those two, he has to be able to deal with that type of pressure.
Honestly If I was just as talented as Haaland, Mbappe and Vini I don't think I would be able to function without a Therapist 24/7 with me. Just little things triggers me a lot I can't even imagine the pressure you have as a world class footballer. To be world class you need to be fit and have talent but I think most important your mentality should be just as good as those two.
Nico Rosberg did see therapist constantly when he won prime Hamilton 2016
Was that for therapy or for advice on getting into Hamilton's head?
Vinicius just isn’t at their level.
Hard disagree, but out curiosity why don't you think he is?
He’s simply not as good?
Raw talent he's even better than the two. Just not as physically gifted as haaland and mbappé. But you're a r/soccer user, of course vini is not good enough in your eyes
Lol no he isn’t….. Mbappe was better at 18 than Vinicius is now and Haalands goal contributions, even if his general play is behind will never be matched by Vinicius. I look at it as a comparison to Messi and Ronaldo compared Neymar. Neymar was obviously world class, as is Vinicius but he was never on their level.
Bit streaky aint he
Very streaky. Although hopefully he can sort it out.
Now he's signed the new contract, his streak has ended
And the streaks do be quite far apart
Rashford is 25 and doesn't have the technical skill of Mbappe, nor positional skill and physicality of Haaland. There is no point comparing them, as they are miles apart.
Yeah, the lad needs a time machine to be Haaland or Mbappe. And some of Cap's super soldier serum.
Think he could be an outsider like a ribery or sth and have a pop at times . That is not to say ribery isn't a good player btw
30 goals and 9 assists is an amazing season though. He’s probably a higher caliber player than given credit for
True don't forget he's had easily 30+ g/a seasons for the last 3/4 seasons. I think he can easily keep his goal scoring runs til his early 30s. Shame he wasted most of his teenage years playing second fiddle to fellaini up top
What? He pretty much didn’t score at all for a season before this one.
3/4 last seasons pal. Learn to read. 19/20 was 4 seasons ago
He read it as 3 or 4 season instead 3 out of 4 season
My b then.
Ya. Why don’t you learn to write instead of telling people to learn to read lol
Not my fault the other guy can't read English genius
Ribery is 10x better than rashford ever was. I dont think thats a good comparison. Ribery shoudlve won a ballondor and couldve been even better if it wasnt for his injures
Nono I meant he could he like ribery in the future. Mbappe and haaland could be the Messi/Ronaldo of their generation while someone like rashy could be an outsider and maybe win an award or two
I think the outsider is most likely Vini
>Ribery shoudlve won a ballondor Such a laughable take. Ronaldo that year was so, so much better by every metric. People just say this because he won a treble as if team.trophies should decide who wins Ballon d'or. Even without Ronaldo winning Messi should have won it. It's a pisstake to claim anyone should have won a ballon d'or over those 2 in those years
Based solely on stats Messi should have won it for like 10 years in a row tbh.
Stats have been brought up countless times, look them up. You're comparing a left midfielder with a left forward, so the metrics should and must be different. If roles were reversed, ni one would dare say treble winner Ronaldo did not deserve to win.
> If roles were reversed, ni one would dare say treble winner Ronaldo did not deserve to win. Nah if Ribery had scored 50+ goals he would have won.
> You're comparing a left midfielder with a left forward Wasn't the difference between their assists like 8 or 9? It's not even like Ribery was creating way more. Meanwhile Ronaldo still managed to score 40 more. > If roles were reversed, ni one would dare say treble winner Ronaldo did not deserve to win. Lmao you think this sub/the media would be saying should Ronaldo if Ribery outscored him by 40 goals? Really?
Forwards generally get the most assists as well as the most goals - Which is pretty obvious when you realize most assists tend to be lay-offs for a tap-in and rebounds. Chances are the players closest to the goal will be the ones involved. In anycase all of this is beside the point - Ronaldo did not top score in either 2017 or 2018, and neither did Messi in 2021. If there is a strong Barcelona or Madrid candidate for the Ballon D'Or they always win even if there was a better team/player - It takes a very bad season from both teams for that to not be the case.
So if Bayern loses the dfb pokal then Ribery wouldn't have deserved the ballon d'or? It's really, really dumb to judge individuals solely on their team achievements.
>So if Bayern loses the dfb pokal then Ribery wouldn't have deserved the ballon d'or? It's really, really dumb to judge individuals solely on their team achievements. No, but to get a win over a Reak Madrid/Barcelona player one generally has to have had a massive season.
Ribery dominated every attacking Metric except goal/assist that year. I am a Messi fan, but still surprised how Messi came 2nd that year with half year out injured.
Every attacking metric except the ones that actually matter lol ok
I mean Modric did not dominate anything, but still won. Different roles, different metrics. Also, i assist Ribery was not that far off. If bayern had lewa that season he would really have the assist record.
We're comparing two players in the same position though so I'm not sure why you're acting like Ribery was a midfielder.
Better in what way?
Pretty much every way.
Rashford is more alike someone like Nani. Can be unplayable when he's on it but is far too inconsistent to be considered on a level with Ribery etc.
Nani avarage season is Rashfords worst for United stat wise. Marcus got 30+ GA in 3 out of last 4 senior years. Before that in his teenage years he was getting 20+. Marcus is level above Nani but bellow Ribery.
He’s got more potential than Nani
He’s 25 and will be 26 for most of this upcoming season. He’s nearing what are supposed to be his prime years. I think rashford’s at the level of someone like Marco Reus, very good player but not a “superstar” like Mbappe or Haaland. But maybe he’ll bang 40 or 50 goals this season, we’ll see.
I think all the best players in the world are on that prime ribery tier now that messi and Ronaldo are gone, unless you’re underrating ribery
Ribery played as an inverted winger and never managed a season with more than 20 goals in all competitions. Do you honestly think there's no one playing above that level currently?
Kane, Mbappe and haaland are better than prime ribery and that might be it, neymar too but different generation
Salah is better
Yeah true
Absolute nonsense. I can guarantee you weren't watching bundesliga on a weekly basis in 2013 anyway.
I mean sure I was watching bayern in 2013 probably just as much as you watch any other top team now. How many do you think are a lot better than that prime ribery right now? Maybe I’m forgetting people
Hi. I was watching in 2013. And ribery was not an inside winger.
People overrate Robery, Vini had a better season last year than Robery in 2013
Not reli. Players like vini for ex have got talent like Ronaldinho so he's def could win more
Vinicius rn at least isn’t better than prime ribery
Yes but with the way he's going he could have a career which would rival someone like ronaldinho
Vini got talent like Ronaldinho?!WTF?!
I meant compare to players nowadays. Many aren't as talented as he is
Sagacious take. I can't forget the "Give the Ballon d'or to Rashford" agenda during January - February this year.
Think people were just taking the piss mate
i don’t think anyone said this with any seriousness lol
not miles apart - there's a gap though.
Bro, Haaland has 211 senior goals in 244 games. Rashford has 139 senior goals in 412 games. And Rashford has done absolutely nothing in the CL. So as far as being a goalscorer, yes they are miles apart
If classed as a striker, Rashford was in the 92nd percentile for goals per 90 last season, Haaland was obviously 99nd percentile. That is not "miles apart" - Haaland to Weghorst is miles apart. Never disputed that there was a gap between them, as it is obvious.
Rooney looks like 50
Loves a drink. See that same look with my mates and we are mid 30's
is it that, or does he have some sleep apnea? People underestimate how important GOOD sleep is. Drinking can fuck your sleep too.
I mean, I read somewhere that the man sleeps with a vacuum on lol Besides drinking, I think he already has some sleep issues
Geez people just love to parrot this. Drinking has a significant effect yes, but a huge part is also genetics. Russel Brand is much older and *definitely* didn't have a better lifestyle and he looks younger.
Russel Brand has been sober for *two decades*
Fair point, a better example could be Taika Watiti, who still looks great despite his habits.
Brand looks after himself like it's going out of style. He's also been sober for like 20 years. It's not about people loving to parrot something that's not really true... Alcohol ages you like a mofo. It's absolutely awful in that regard. A couple of examples to the contrary doesn't dispute this fact. I know lots of folks who look 12 years older than I am, and we're the same age. I might even be slightly older. And the one consistent thing about them is they drink like fish.
Hasn’t russel brand been sober and super into taking care of himself
Yup. The Koreans I know drink almost every day and they look young
That's Shrek, what'd you expect?
Well he looks like 40s in his teenage years tbf.
He looked 40 in his early twenties. I remember back when he shaved off all of his hair. Man looked 50 then, but was a demon on the pitch.
He looks like a 50 year old pub landlord that likes to partake in bareknuckle boxing in the lot behind his boozer.
He is younger than Cristiano.
You can get away with drinking too much alcohol as a teenager/early 20’s but that shit catches up with you hard if you keep going into your 30’s like he has.
He likes to party but its mostly due being fat.
It doesn't if even look like Rooney. Looks like a thing that ate Rooney.
I really hope people won't start making the same mistakes with good players like they did in the Messi/Ronaldo era, where they'd compare everyone to those two. Mbappé and Haaland are in a different category. Other players don't need to be that good to be excellent in their own ways.
vini is in that category as well in my opinion if he can be more consistent potentially lead brazil to a wc and win a couple more ucls you never know
That's a lot of ifs lol
I like his logic. I'm also in that category, because if I get to the level to be in that category I will be in that category.
He is nowhere the other two and you’re talking as if leading Brazil to a WC is an easy job,lol! The guy has only 2 goal for the national team so far! Comparing that with Mbappe’s 40 goals shows their difference
Rashford is probably never going to achieve Haaland ot Mbappe levels and there is nothing wrong with that. Even a step away from those two he can be a key component in a very dominant team. He is still relatively young, has been playing at the highest level with Man U for a while and has shown he can be a valuable goal contributor. If he gets a little more consistent and les streaky he will be remembered as a world class forward in his own right.
I completely agree. For the next five years, if he can do what Mane did for Liverpool or Son is doing for Spurs, I'd be more than happy. Both amazing players but with different levels of team success. The fate of the team is not just contingent on him.
He could be but I'm not sure United can get to that level. Things can change fast but when I look at them, I still see a side that will battle for 4th and be far away from anything major. While you guys look like having a team that will be in the title race again and are even stronger than last year.
Fair point, but this time last year nobody even considered Arsenal for a title challenge realistically. All the components have to be in the right place and Arsenal very nearly got it all right, but seeing what Ten Hag is currently doing at United has me hopeful that we're moving in a similar direction.
That's true but they had also just choked away 4th. However they did have some talented pieces and good additions joined that squad. If all your players hit there best form together, I could see it, I guess. ETH did some good things last year but truly as a season it felt a fair bit like OGS's time, with better breaks in the cup draw.
This quote makes no sense, sorry
I had to do a double take when I saw Arsenal logo next to Wayne Rooney.
He's good but will never be as good as those two. Just setting unreasonable standards for him imo.
When Rashford shines nobody shines brighter than him. If they build a proper team around him i think he'll win titles for Man United.
Marcus Rashford is a million miles from Mbabbe's or Haaland's level...
Not a millon miles, lets not pretend he is some mediocre player. In his best form he is probably still a step below both of them, but if he can maintain that form troughout a season and be instrumental in winning them silverware his stock will suddenly rise and the popular opinion on him will change.
In four top flight seasons, a 22-year Haaland has scored 98 league goals from 102 appearances, in eight top-flight seasons (assuming Ligue 1 is top flight!) a 24-year old Mbappe has scored 164 league goals from 217 appearances. In contrast, in eight top-flight seasons a 25 year old Rashford has scored 76 league goals from 239 appearances. Haaland is 0.96 goals per game, Mbappe is 0.76 goals per game, Rashford is 0.31 goals per game. He's a million miles away from those two.
However if we're being kind and assuming that Rashford can continue his form from last season for the rest of his career (I don't think he will) then he would easily be among the best players in the world. Last season he had like 41 goal contributions in 56 games, that is ridiculously good. Still a step away from Haaland and Mbappe but not that far away. I think it's also important to look at the teams that each player is in, Haaland and Mbappe are in the dominant teams of their leagues, and in Haaland's case he's in the best team in the whole world. If we're using another player for comparison, I actually think Harry Kane had a more impressive season than Haaland did, simply because that Spurs team was a complete mess for most of the season and he pretty much single handed kept them competitive, and had an amazing return in goals. I legit think that if you put Kane into that Man City side then he probably would've had a similar season that Haaland had and everyone is using as evidence of Haaland being the best player.
He couldn’t even continue his form from mid last season to the end of the season
But isn't that the issue with Rashford. His "form from last season" was just a purple patch of 2 months post the world cup. He has never been consistent
Ah nice, another stat nonce. Just disregard everything else ive said, about how he could become better and more valuable for the team if he becomes more consistent and still be a step below those two. Just point at their career goals and ignore that players other than outliers like Haaland and Mbappe often have a moment where it all comes together and they start becoming more prolific and key players in their team. Just forget that Rashford so far hasn't been the main goalscorer let alone the key forward and has been playing a different role in far more disfunctional and less dominant teams. Just compare goal output to justify him being shit.
> Ah nice, another stat nonce It's fucking goals lmfao he's a forward. Hardly some deep specific statistic. >nd has been playing a different role in far more disfunctional and less dominant teams. Haaland was far better in Dortmund and Salzburg. And Mbappe is a lot better at everything else not just scoring
Take away the stats and it is much worse, he is a good player but the gap in ability is bigger than the gap in statistics.
He's not that good, it's obvious to people who have seen all three play. The guy provided stats that validate it and you call him names.
Bruh stats nonce? He’s a forward Its like one of the few positions that make sense to use stats lol
How many assists does he have, is he versatile? Can he be a striker can he be proper winger ? Has his presence on the pitch helped the striker score more goals ?
TIL looking at the amount of goals a striker has scored makes you a stats nonce
> Just point at their career goals and ignore that players other than outliers like Haaland and Mbappe often have a moment where it all comes together and they start becoming more prolific and key players in their team For Haaland and Mbappe this happened when they were 18/19 (arguably even earlier). They have been this prolific and this good ever since they started paying professional football. Rashford has been at it for 8 years with United and it he still isn't close. That's not to say it can't happen, some players become world beaters in their late 20s/early thirties. But there's nothing we've seen so far to suggest that Rashford can emulate Mbappe or Haaland
>nonce. Really? Grow up. Rooney's quote was specifically about scoring goals. I think it's pretty fucking appropriate to highlight goal scoring records when discussing scoring of goals...
People who call others 'nonce' are usually projecting.
Tbf saying it like that is removing a the context. Like if you call someone a grammar Nazi, it doesn't mean you're calling them an actually Nazi. Not saying it wasn't an odd insult though.
What are you even talking about lol. This post specifically is about comparing him to Haaland and Mbappe. And he's miles behind them in 11 out of 12 months. Stats show that and the eye test does that as well. All the "ifs" and "coulds" when talking about Rashford don't change that. The topic isn't him being shit but being pretty mediocre apart from a few weeks each season.
Who said he's mediocre?! He's just not at their level and I wouldn't say it's just a step. Is he the best English player? Or best utd player?
How many million miles away from Haaland and Mbappe would you say medicare players are, then? Ten million miles? A quadrillion?
He's closer to Haaland than to Mbappe. A few miles max
a few billion miles rather
What am i reading
Dude, you know what million is right?
He has talent, but neither the mentality nor the consistency, which are just as important for a elite level sportsperson
Rashford is about 7 leagues below the likes of Haaland and Mbappe.
1 premier league for United in the post Fergie era would mean more than handful of ligue 1 medals at PSG
You what?
56 Games, 30 goals and 11 assits last season If he keeps replicating those numbers on a consistant basis each season and drives utd to significant silverware then he can get to that level
>then he can get to that level Fucks sake, no he can't. He is clearly 2 levels below them and has always beeen
Players can get better or just put together all the things that have shown on a consistent basis.
in before rashford has one of his seasons where he goes missing for 80% of it
He had one season like this. He hit 30+ GA in past 3 out of 4 seasons and consisnently was pulling 20+ in his teenage years
One of his seasons? He had one year where he went missing and it was when his team did the same. The guy even got to decent numbers playing while injured.
Rashford is nowhere near those two and he's also not as good as people think. Yes, I know he scored 30 goals last season. many said he's world-class because of this and more. But honestly, watching every single United game and he's the same as last season when some said he was shit, the difference is he scored more this time, everything else is the same, Still can't beat his man on the wing, you can even bet on it, the same old running into a wall and losing the ball, Still can't head the ball, can't play as a striker, not good enough as a winger. And worse of all, he's getting lazy, already acting like Mbappe, Messi, and Ronaldo. Halland, on the other hand, is working very hard on the pitch for his team.
I think you’re being harsh. But at the same time, I get what you mean. The arsenal game for example is a great showing of rashford. Moments of brilliance, but also utterly useless at points. He either needs to have many more moments of brilliance, or be just be a decent serviceable winger even when he’s not on form.
dude you're full of shit! Rashford has improved massively in not just scoring but creating as well. >Still can't beat his man on the wing, you can even bet on it, the same old running into a wall and losing the ball, Still can't head the ball, can't play as a striker, not good enough as a winger. you can't be serious with this shit. He's been united's best winger and striker last season
Improved massively 😂😂😂 You can’t be serious. I spoke facts as a fan who watched the game. He was good for 2 months last season when he always scored then back to being useless towards the end of the season. Our best winger my ass, Garnacho was better at left wing then he was. Even Antony whose output was mid is a better winger than Rashford, at least he was tracking back while Rash was fucking lazy because he thought he’s Mbappe. So clearly you are talking shite. Some of these simps need to start watching games instead of highlights.
Just it happened during Messi-Cristiano era, all players at 25 or younger will be compared to aliens like Mbappe & Haaland. And going by Rooney's comment on titles, then Harry Kane must've neve been a top class striker.
I don’t think that last sentence is the correct conclusion to reach. He can think Harry Kane is a top class striker but without a top class legacy. The legacy takes the titles into consideration, how good a striker Kane is doesn’t necessarily need titles to be taken into consideration.
No, Messi and Cristiano were many steps above their competition. Haaland and Mbappe are just one or two steps above.
I mean 37 goals in his first Premier League season at 22 years old is many steps above anybody else.
Cos that's going to be the level players what to reach. I think Rooney is saying a way for Rashford to get in that conversation would be to be a driving force in getting titles. He isn't saying it's true of every player ever. Kane is world class but playing a key role in titles would also put him on am even higher level. But then say just going to Munich and picking up there yearly title also wouldn't elevate him that much but it would be nice for him to have. If he was key in a CL run it would put him up a notch. Benz was great but that last CL run truly added to his legacy.
Kane's talent is a tier or two below the likes of Mbappe or Haaland. He was never regarded as a potential ballon d'or winner ever like those two. For those accolades, you need to have collective success which is what Rooney is pointing to with Rashford.
You are out of your mind, I hate the narrative around Tottenhams players, so fucking shit, Son, Kane, Alderweireld, Dembele, Erikson were world class players in their day, and they deserve criticism cause they played for Tottenham, and the culture of the club hasn't caught up to the talent they are trying for, but stop with the shIte narrative around some of their players man. It doesn't help when stupid as Neville and Carragher pick 13 goal contributions Foden over top scorer and 31 goal contributions Son. Harry Kane is world class and the only thing left for him to do, is to do it in the big games, for the better teams, that does not put him 2 tiers below those players you mentioned, Kane, does not get his credit for how good he has been. I don't even think Son understands how good he is.
I believe Kane would’ve taken the goal record if he played in last seasons City-team. He is absolutely unreal.
Levy fucked the whole prem over by letting City get a bigger monster.
No one's talking about Spurs. The point was about Mbappe and Haaland's talent compared to Kane. The former two are heirs of CR7-Messi, Kane isn't. No one's discussing if they're good or not lol.
Bro, Mbappe is the best talent, but Kane is just as talented as a footballer as Haaland, and they are not heirs to jack shit, completely different players who have their own story to write, long long way to go to be mentioned in the same breathe, they ain't even half way there.
you're downvoted but you're correct, people just dont like mbappe and love kane. mbappe at 24 is already a better player than kane. kane's best season doesn't come close to mbappe. fuck it, mbappe in his year with monaco (2018) did more than kane has done his whole career in terms of accolades.
Lol true, it's not even a hot take, when was Kane comparable to Mbappe and this season's Haaland? Delusional takes to say the least.
if mbappe stopped playing football at 18 he’d have a bigger CL and WC legacy than kane
and 1 more league title beating PSG.
A team title.
If Kane had gone to City and they achieved what they did last season surely he'd have been in the running for Ballon d'Or (not win it with Messi winning WC, obviously). He's not in the running because of who he plays for.
> Kane's talent is a tier or two below the likes of Mbappe or Haaland This is an absolutely absurd take, his scoring record speaks for itself.
> This is an absolutely absurd take, his scoring record speaks for itself. Mbappe and Haaland at 24 and 22 respectfully have had higher peaks than Kane has ever had till the age of 29 unless you've been living under a rock. Haaland is going to be a top 3 ballon d'or candidate this year at 22 after scoring 50+ goals the previous season. Kane at 29 hasn't had a season like that yet. Mbappe has had similar output but since he's in Ligue 1, he's not going to be lauded as much but still has had an equally impressive peak the season before. Kane isn't in their tier or close.
Haaland's 52 goal season was absurd, and sure Kane hasn't matched that. But the most Mbappe has managed is a 42 goal season, while Kane has had a 41 goal season, so I struggle to see your logic here.
If you would remove your bias and be mindful of the 21+ assists he had that season, you'd probably see my logic. Not even close, is it?
Are we not going to take into consideration the fact that these two play in very different environments? One plays for the top team in his league by miles while the other plays for a team with a trophy winning allergy?
Mbappe plays in a farmer league, with a team so dominant on paper. Kane plays in the PL at Spurs. Goals and assists for those 2 are not the same.
Wasn't the bundesliga a farmers league until Haaland came and destroyed PL defences. Mbappe has done it in the UCL for Monaco and France as well, so the farmer's league argument for Mbappe is moot. Kane hasn't done it for any of his teams. Mbappe beat PSG with Monaco at 17, common man, this isn't even close.
I have never said BL is a farmer's league. A quick view at Haaland record tells me he did not score any against English sides whilst playing with Dortmund in the CL. Besides you think Kane wouldn't score many playing that City team? Anyway Mbappe has won a lot more than Kane. Considering he is playing in Ligue 1 in a team so much stronger on paper than the rest of the league I consider winning the league the standard for PSG yet they lost to Lille. He has also won the World Cup, but they also had leaders in that French side like Pogba, Kante and Griezmann. Mbappe of course contributed to the success of that side with 4 goals. Whereas Harry Kane scored 6 goals in that World Cup. In terms of CL, Mbappe has scored more goals but he has also played with better teammates. At the end of the day there is no doubting Mbappe is a generational player, but to say he is ahead of Kane by simply comparing the goals and assists without considering the league and team they play in is not right.
Mbappe has a great track record in the UCL as well as for his country. Sure, circumstances matter but Mbappe is a much better talent and that's based on achievements, not an opinion, he has actually willed his teams forward to collective success, Kane hasn't done at once at the club or country level. In fact, he already has a better legacy than Kane in that regard. Is Monaco a much better environment than Spurs as well that it was unfair for a 17-year-old Mbappe to do well? How about defeating PSG with Monaco for Ligue 1? That doesn't count either.
That is ridiculous. If Kane were at a better club he'd be in the running. He scored 30 in the PL last season in a creatively devoid Tottenham. Imagine Bruno Fernandes, KDB, Messi or Odegaard supplying him.
I think in Rashfords defence, City would have had a chance at the treble with our without Haaland - trophies are not all individual merit, given i would say Kane is on level comfortably with all three and sadly has squat (never forget Audi Cup 2018).
Just has to accomplish things younger, far more talented players than him have already accomplished. Nbd.
Purple patchford should not be named with such players for 3 months of playing well a season
56 Games, 30 goals and 11 assits is not 3 months of playing well
More than half of his contributions came from the 3 months after the world cup, he was dreadful to watch before the break
I always find this stat about his goal contributions funny, because of course he got more than half of his contributions after the world Cup, that's when he played most of his games lol. Before World Cup 22 games 15 goal contributions 0.68 goal contributions per game After World Cup 34 games 26 goal contributions 0.76 goal contributionsper game So yeah he did better after the World Cup, but he wasn't exactly playing poorly before then. If we assumed he didn't improve after the World Cup then instead of 41 goal contributions he would have had 38. Rashford's 'streakiness' is vastly exaggerated.
The point Op is making is those 2 outlier months make his season look a lot better than it was. He was averaging a goal a game for almost 15-20 games. If you take that out, his season does good at best. At the end of the season, he still led his team to a successful season so I don't completely agree but he could've possibly had a 50 G/A season if he kept some of his form throughout and he has the talent for that. The difference between the peak and median forms is a bit much atm.
Rashford was getting a goal or assist per game from November to around April, which is when he got injured. What you're basically saying is that if we removed the majority of games Rashford played, he didn't actually do that well. I hope you realise how silly that is
Your numbers above aren't even right pal, as you can see for yourself on fbref. He killed it between January and March to be fair but come on... I haven't even said something outrageous.
According to transfermarkt they are and arguing a player is streaky because they have more goals when they play more games is pretty silly.
Transfermarkt doesn't even have performance based stats, just your basic goals/assist/cards/minutes played?? No wonder you try to argue againts op here, you haven't even checked the stats... Killed it between January and February/mid March, before and after the stats in every aspect are below the league average
Well what stats are you referring to? I was on about games played and goal contributions per game which you can figure out from transfermarkt stats. So yes the stats I am using are correct for what I was saying are correct. But hey if you have ones that show what your claiming, then by all means provide them. But even then you're still saying that if we take the majority of the season way he isn't good which is still a frankly a silly as fuck thing to claim. Obviously if you take most of the season away it won't look good. Mr Genius here is surprised that players get more goal contributions when they play more games, and get less goal contributions when you take most of the games they played.
In March and April, he wasn't getting a goal a game. December to Early Feb was his purple patch. 15 games don't require 4 months of football.
Not getting one goal contribution in between several games where he was doesn't mean it was now only a streak. And like I said beyond that he was still pretty much getting a goal contribution every other game. Is Haaland streaky now because he got most of his goals early in the season? Most of the season he plays well but just because at the tail end of the season he only gets a goal contribution every other game because he's injured, he's nos streaky. One hell of a purple patch he has if it's netted him 30+ goal contributions in 3 seasons.
Still had 8 goals and 3 assists in all comps before the WC. While that is not good and not to the level he got to after the WC, to call it dreadful is the other extreme Edit: it was in 21 games
Those bottles are obviously full of liquor. What nonsense.
The guy had one good season and we’re already mentioning him in the same sentence as Mbappe and Haaland……..
Rashford is just another overhyped english player
He was probably the best player in the world for a stretch last season...
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Wazza, I don't think it's as simple as you're making it out to be.
Is vini jr in this category though?
I swear Rooney was Everton manager, wtf have I been smoking
He still is mah man ! you need to smoke more
This guy couldn’t even coach a jv soccer team Let’s keep it real, legendary player shit coach
Mbappe and Haaland aren't expected to carry broken squads on their back.
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Too bad Saka did the same
Then you're a fool, disliking a player for a penalty miss is cruel. Then you add in the situation he was in of barely being on the pitch before having to take it. I'm not against bringing on players for pens as it can work but they should have come on earlier and we should have been trying to win rather than suffering the inevitable penalty loss. Saka missed and I hold no ill will to him, glad he's doing well, the same with anyone that missed.
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Damn. First time I’ve seen Rooney in years. He’s really enjoying the retirement food.