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Proper whataboutery, isn’t it? Regardless of whether footballers should be role models (probably not, but they are nonetheless for some), it doesn’t mitigate shitty behaviour. He’s said so much there when saying nothing of the sort would have been best.
In isolation it’s a perfectly reasonable statement albeit I personally wouldn’t advocate this or any Pope. It’s daft idolising anyone who’s character you know nothing about particularly where footballers are involved, most being assholes by every day standards
That was just the first instance trial. Untill the appeal trial is completed as well he is still innocent in the law view and is allowed to go on with his life provided he isn't dangerous or at risk of leaving the country.
Given that all over Europe cases on rape proceed by absolute diligence towards the culprit, you can be pretty much sure that this guy is a fucking criminal
You’ve been downvoted to hell, but your absolutely right, I’m sure if people read the sentencing remarks for the reasoning (which I haven’t tbf) people would be largely agree with them
They're putting forward the people who they think sells the most tickets and merchandise, and attracts the most 'engagement'.
Marketability has nothing to do with morality.
Because he's not very marketable right now. You give corporations way too much credit.
If Partey was universally popular despite the allegations, he'd be front and centre of Arsenal's marketing campaigns.
But because he's bad press right now he won't sell as many tickets or shirts, or attract as many social media likes, as a relatively untainted teammate.
Because other people have morality.
Arsenal as a corporate entity largely does not.
See how Ronaldo remained very heavily marketed by his clubs.
Tbh I'm actually astonished that I have to explain to anyone in 2023 that corporations will behave in ways which maximises their profit, and not in ways directed by moral concerns. It sounds trite to have to say it explicitly even.
>Because other people have morality.
That's exactly my point. No one thought the clubs had morals, but they pick the players they put forward in part based on how they would be perceived by their fans.
Edit: lol you've blocked me so I can't reply to your condescending shite, but go on.
Yes exactly, to maximise engagement and revenue.
It's connection to morality is only as strong as the audience makes it. In some cases its quite strong (Greenwood being successfully turfed out of Man Utd - at least for the time being), in other cases it is not (Ronaldo's allegations essentially having no impact on his marketability).
So going back to my point - don't get your role models from marketing. And don't get your role models from those who corporations think represents them best (as was your assertion).
Still remember that night at Olimpico when, Pope Guiseppe XXlllllXlllX scored a 94th min header against Young Boys. Vatican has been my fave team since then
But kids do look up to footballers, and they know that. No one is saying they’re not normal people (just like the other examples he’s cited), but for fuck’s sake, is it not reasonable for fans to expect players to not be scumbags?
Off topic, but does anyone remember Eurogoals?
Used to watch that show as a kid sometimes
Eurosport used to have a lot of good football, Afcon, Asian Cup, Gold Cup as well iirc
Currently appealing against the first verdict. Will go to prison if still considered guilty. The club got him after the first trial had already ended knowing he has a big chance of going to jail
I'm sure there are good players available who don't have rape charges.
Also why can't football player be a good role model? I mean look at Messi, he has a good family and social life, football GOAT yet so humble.
Can see my opinion is gonna be unpopular but he’s right. Footballers are paid to win matches not raise children. I bet a lot of people in this group listen to Dr Dre, loved stone cold as kids and paid to watch Mike Tyson. But it’s easy to be a moral arbiter.
I mean I can’t disagree with the guy. If you’re letting Hollywood and Sport stars be the main role model to your children then you’re not being a good parent. It’s your job to explain to them that they’re just good at kicking a ball but if you’re looking for moral values better look somewhere else
Right, but Charles Barkley isn’t a convicted gang rapist either… call me crazy but I think that might be the bare minimum we can expect from people employed to represent a team
Ya that was on purpose, I agree with Charles Barkley that sports people shouldn’t be role models (they are though regardless) but when he made the ‘not a role model’ ad he definitely did not mean it as an apologia to be used for gang rapists representing sports teams
Unpopular opinion, but I agree.
Firstly, because I believe in rehabilitation over punishment, and the right to be re-integrated into society.
Secondly, because a worker must be valued for how he can contribute to the job, not for what he has done in his private life.
Thirdly, who the fuck does take Reggiana players as rolemodels lol
No. I don't. That's literally why I asked the question. I'm not religious and certainly not catholic and my country has made secularism illegal so excuse me for not keeping up on the staff at the Vatican.
He has already been convicted of gang rape and then they signed him while he is appealing it.
They signed a known rapist who is gonna leave the team to do prison time. Thats what you were defending
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What a stupid excuse.
Proper whataboutery, isn’t it? Regardless of whether footballers should be role models (probably not, but they are nonetheless for some), it doesn’t mitigate shitty behaviour. He’s said so much there when saying nothing of the sort would have been best.
can’t they all be good role models?
I'm ok if someone isn't a role model BUT he also doesn't rape people
Besides the fact that this is an abysmally stupid statement… 6 years for rape just isn’t enough imo.
In isolation it’s a perfectly reasonable statement albeit I personally wouldn’t advocate this or any Pope. It’s daft idolising anyone who’s character you know nothing about particularly where footballers are involved, most being assholes by every day standards
Why is he not in prison if he was sentenced in December?
That was just the first instance trial. Untill the appeal trial is completed as well he is still innocent in the law view and is allowed to go on with his life provided he isn't dangerous or at risk of leaving the country.
Italy
Chop it off
After thinking about it for 6 years in prison, yes
And make him eat it.
Don't judge without knowing the exact case. All we can say is hope that the judge made the right decision.
Given that all over Europe cases on rape proceed by absolute diligence towards the culprit, you can be pretty much sure that this guy is a fucking criminal
You’ve been downvoted to hell, but your absolutely right, I’m sure if people read the sentencing remarks for the reasoning (which I haven’t tbf) people would be largely agree with them
Then use pictures of the Pope in your marketing materials, not the players
Yeah... let's use the boss of the rapeist organization on earth.
Plus, Pope Innocent literally committed a genocide lol. Popes have had a bad history. Though Francis is good
Which Innocent? What genocide?
III, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albigensian_Crusade
Don't get your role models from marketing either.
Not the point obviously. They're clearly putting forward the people they think represent the club best.
They're putting forward the people who they think sells the most tickets and merchandise, and attracts the most 'engagement'. Marketability has nothing to do with morality.
I reckon there's an overlap there mate. How often do you see Partey on Arsenal's socials this year?
Because he's not very marketable right now. You give corporations way too much credit. If Partey was universally popular despite the allegations, he'd be front and centre of Arsenal's marketing campaigns. But because he's bad press right now he won't sell as many tickets or shirts, or attract as many social media likes, as a relatively untainted teammate.
> Because he's not very marketable right now I wonder why?
Because other people have morality. Arsenal as a corporate entity largely does not. See how Ronaldo remained very heavily marketed by his clubs. Tbh I'm actually astonished that I have to explain to anyone in 2023 that corporations will behave in ways which maximises their profit, and not in ways directed by moral concerns. It sounds trite to have to say it explicitly even.
>Because other people have morality. That's exactly my point. No one thought the clubs had morals, but they pick the players they put forward in part based on how they would be perceived by their fans. Edit: lol you've blocked me so I can't reply to your condescending shite, but go on.
Yes exactly, to maximise engagement and revenue. It's connection to morality is only as strong as the audience makes it. In some cases its quite strong (Greenwood being successfully turfed out of Man Utd - at least for the time being), in other cases it is not (Ronaldo's allegations essentially having no impact on his marketability). So going back to my point - don't get your role models from marketing. And don't get your role models from those who corporations think represents them best (as was your assertion).
r/yesyesyesyesno
Oh, what a sensible thing to- oh fuck it’s another one of these isn’t it?
no to the part with the pope as well
what if my family is all fucked up, do I only have the Pope left?
You know there's a fair bit of distance between a role model and a rapist. Could have just hired someone somewhere in between...
Idiot
Still remember that night at Olimpico when, Pope Guiseppe XXlllllXlllX scored a 94th min header against Young Boys. Vatican has been my fave team since then
All kids these days want to be just like the Pope.
https://www.reddit.com/r/midjourney/comments/120vhdc/the_pope_drip/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Perhaps Portanova's role models were priests
why is literally every person in a position of power just such a braindead cretin? i mean it's a rhetorical question but fuck it is GRIM
But kids do look up to footballers, and they know that. No one is saying they’re not normal people (just like the other examples he’s cited), but for fuck’s sake, is it not reasonable for fans to expect players to not be scumbags?
Off topic, but does anyone remember Eurogoals? Used to watch that show as a kid sometimes Eurosport used to have a lot of good football, Afcon, Asian Cup, Gold Cup as well iirc
The Pope?
It's about sexual assault, but no mention of the age so close enough
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The\_Bad\_Popes
Wow, Pius XI & Pius XII don't even make the list? Most of those are less bad than the Nazi Popes.
aka all of them
No Pius IX on there?
As in Nick Pope
I mean he's not wrong that kids shouldn't idolize athletes but what a bullshit excuse for employing a piece of shit.
The pope should not be a role model for young people either, he is the head of an organisation who routinely protects rapists and pedophiles.
Goalkeepers are footballers aswell. The disrespect to nick pope is unreal.
Has he served his time in prison or is he about to go to prison?
Currently appealing against the first verdict. Will go to prison if still considered guilty. The club got him after the first trial had already ended knowing he has a big chance of going to jail
Thank you for the info
Wow, what a mess
I'm sure there are good players available who don't have rape charges. Also why can't football player be a good role model? I mean look at Messi, he has a good family and social life, football GOAT yet so humble.
Not having to be role models is fine, but they probably also shouldn't be rapists.
Can see my opinion is gonna be unpopular but he’s right. Footballers are paid to win matches not raise children. I bet a lot of people in this group listen to Dr Dre, loved stone cold as kids and paid to watch Mike Tyson. But it’s easy to be a moral arbiter.
It doesn't work that way
I mean, ignoring all the other issues with this, you still have to treat things as they are, not as they should be...
I mean, he's kinda right, but he's trying to make the wrong point.
The pope xD LOL
Well hopefully those parents and families don't want their children supporting a club that pays for rapists.
Thankfully our fans' reaction stopped his transfer to Bari, otherwise this stain on society would play here
I mean I can’t disagree with the guy. If you’re letting Hollywood and Sport stars be the main role model to your children then you’re not being a good parent. It’s your job to explain to them that they’re just good at kicking a ball but if you’re looking for moral values better look somewhere else
Charles Barkley said it best...I am not a role model
Right, but Charles Barkley isn’t a convicted gang rapist either… call me crazy but I think that might be the bare minimum we can expect from people employed to represent a team
that wasnt the point i was trying to make at all lol but sure yeah run with it
What was the point you were trying to make ?
athletes arent role models
Yes and that’s the point that I was responding to…
not really lol you started comparing barkley to manolo
Ya that was on purpose, I agree with Charles Barkley that sports people shouldn’t be role models (they are though regardless) but when he made the ‘not a role model’ ad he definitely did not mean it as an apologia to be used for gang rapists representing sports teams
Exactly. The Pope would never hire a sex offender...
The Pope heads one of if not the largest pedo rings in the world. Don't use him lol
... the Pope? It is not like kids see Pope everyday. Also, some Pope's can't and shouldn't be a role model.
You don't live in Italy do you
Award for worst take of all time
Reggiana fans have also been supportive of the signing, i believe they think 'hes not guilty until the third degree' or something like that
the pope lol
The Pope? Is condoning, encouraging, and covering-up child sexual abuse something a role model does?
"The Pope should be your role model, now here's a rapist. "
The pope? LOLOLOLOL TEH POPE?????????
Popes usually dont mind rape either
Is this going on the list or is this too dark?
Unpopular opinion, but I agree. Firstly, because I believe in rehabilitation over punishment, and the right to be re-integrated into society. Secondly, because a worker must be valued for how he can contribute to the job, not for what he has done in his private life. Thirdly, who the fuck does take Reggiana players as rolemodels lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought\_problem
Wasn't the pope like Hitler youth and worked in the department of protecting nonce's or was that the one before this one?
No. You do realize there's been a new Pope for about 10 years, right?
No. I don't. That's literally why I asked the question. I'm not religious and certainly not catholic and my country has made secularism illegal so excuse me for not keeping up on the staff at the Vatican.
Based comment. Ex convicts deserved a play in work force. Football is no difference.
The player in question is not an ex con, he hasnt served any time yet for taking part in a gang rape
If he is not charged yet , there should be less of a problem.
He has already been convicted he is just out pending appeal.
He has already been convicted of gang rape and then they signed him while he is appealing it. They signed a known rapist who is gonna leave the team to do prison time. Thats what you were defending
I am not defending that decision. That would be a poor buy given the club could lose their asset soon.
He had me in the first half, not gonna lie
Well what if my parents, family members, and popes are all rapists too? Didn’t think of that one did he
He had me in the first half…
There is some much right and wrong in what he said. Oy
I was agreeing with this(except the Pope part) then I saw what he was covering up. What a silly excuse
What kid's role model is the pope? He can't stick a volley in top bins, does he even have any England caps??
Guess I’ll show my kids clips of Nick Pope’s best saves
Name me one pope who wasn’t an exemplary role model, I’ll wait…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope\_Alexander\_VI
Nice way to to abdicate of any social responsability. I wonder what kind of role model he is for his children...