>Greenwood is not the only academy product United may well dispense of. Despite his goal return this season, Scott McTominay is seen as replaceable, with the hope West Ham come back in for the Scot this summer, while some graduates out on loan – Hannibal Mejbri and Alvaro Fernandez – have clauses in their deals that could make their Old Trafford exits permanent at the end of their loan spells. All in, the club could recoup towards £100m on academy products alone.
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>The outgoings, Ratcliffe and his new football committee hope, are not going to end there. Insiders have confirmed reports that several stars have been offered to Saudi Arabian clubs, after current football director John Murtough visited the country during the Club World Cup in December.
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>Aaron Wan-Bissaka, Casemiro, Jadon Sancho and Antony were all on the list of possible options, sources said
With a bit more licence to press high up instead of being expected to sit in the pivot I think he'd have more joy at winning the ball back than he does at united. Different kinds of defending, and he's just not very good at the latter.
You haven’t seen United play this season have you? Ten Hag just lets him do what he wants, it’s one of the main reasons why we keep conceding easy goals.
They'd need their academy players to massively impress on loan and I'm not sure that's really happening. They'd definitely get some money from Greenwood but i don't think they'll get the bidding war they'd like.
Will be intersting to see what happens with Sancho.
With Greenwood you'd have to take pretty much whatever offer you get. The buying club has all the leverage because they know how toxic it would be for them to bring him back.
Because he's worth more to United at United playing well, then he is of United were to sell him after a decent 6 months in Germany. They just won't get the same value right now, than if another manager makes a success of him at United.
>playing well
That's the key factor though, 2 managers have already failed to get the best of him, what's to say a third would
With his ridiculous wages as well it's much better to cut our losses after a hopefully good stint in Germany imo
Can barely blame Sancho for having Ole's decline, the interim Ragnick and then Ten Hag soon froze him out.
He's looking decent now he's back at Dortmund. United's managerial mess is to blame for not making the most of a clearly highly talented player. Not the player for not being given game time over Antony.
He had an entire season under ten hag before he was rightfully frozen out, he had more than enough game time and opportunities, you clearly haven't been watching him at United because he's not failed due to a lack of chances
He would never work out in the PL..He is just not good enough..ETH could get fired tomorrow and the chance of Sancho playing for us again would still be 0
He is good enough. Ten Hag is the problem.
Sancho is clearly a very good player. Clearly far better than Antony. To say he "would never work in the PL" is straight idiocy.
You can see the same problems he has had in the PL in the games he has played in his comeback at Dortmund playing against two sides at the bottom of the table with 11 points ,Its just that the defences in Bundesliga are unlike anything you see in the PL
I don't actually rate ETH but he wasn't the one stopping Sancho from turning up on time for training ,No managers gives a player a 3 month break to get his mental and physical fitness in check only for the player to go back to his bad habits a few months into the new season, Sancho with his tweet should he is an immature twat who thinks the world revolves around when he could have been a professional like Maguire who has gone through worse and still been one of the most professional lads in the squad ,Poch has called out Madueke a couple of times but he didn't post a rant and instead worked hard in training and did his talking on the field ,Sancho's major problems are unfixable at 23 and the manager basically has nothing to do with them ,He has had the same issues with the NT and even at Dortmund
Nah, he's already shown he's very immature, highly unprofessional, and not even remotely capable of playing in England, regardless of Ten Hag's failings. He just needs to be sold.
You're telling me a 23 year old is immature? Astounding stuff.
Unprofessional is a boss publically blaming his employee for his shoddy work.
"Incapable of playing in England" - fuck this hate train for Sancho is entirely irrational.
Starting to think there is a serious race element behind this irrational hatred.
There's nothing irrational about it. I've watched the guy for years at United. He's never once looked very good. I've seen him play for England. He's never once looked very good. Clearly, he's suited to Dortmund and/or the Bundesliga, so that's where he should play. He had ample time to show United he was worth keeping, failed miserably under 3 different managers, and now he needs to go. That's all there is to it. The Ten Hag stuff is irrelevant at this point. You can't wait 4 years for a £75m signing to start contributing.
Wait 4 years? When do you think Sancho arrived? You claim all this bullshit but make up how long he was at the club.
3 different managers, including 2 caretakers. Be honest.
Totally irrational. Sancho is better than every other attacker United has right now.
You just hate him for other reasons and cannot accept he's actually a very talented player.
Next year will be his 4th year. If he returns after his Dortmund loan, he'll be in his 4th year at United, that's what I'm talking about. He's already wasted 3 seasons, and nobody in their right mind is going to give a £75m bust a 4th year to show they're capable of playing at a high level. He's had more than enough time for United to decide to move on from him.
And it's 3 managers I'm talking about, including *1* interim manager. Ole, Rangnick, and ETH. I'm not counting Carrick's 4 games as a significant part of Sancho's time at United. Sancho played under 3 managers for extended periods of time and failed to impress under each one of them. Now, it's time for him to move on.
If he was actually better than every other player at United, he would've shown that at least once in 3 years and we'd all want him back. He didn't, so it's time to sell him. It has nothing to do with his talent and everything to do with his ability to do something with it.
I dont know about that, I mean fucking hell, Martial's had 9 years to pull his finger out and is now seeing out his contract on the treatment table the lazy miserable cunt
The £100m target is tabloid talk, United hardly called up iNews and said “hello mate, just to let you know we’re planning to sell Fernandez, Mejbri, McTominay and Geeenwood for £100m, if you can run with that?”
That said, it’s hardly outlandish:
Mejbri has an option to buy at £17m.
Fernandez has an option to buy at £8m.
McTominay is having a better season than last, when he was valued at £40m. He’d probably fetch at least £35m/£40m again this summer.
Greenwood is a big question mark. He’s proven he can play in Spain without repercussion and has also shown glimpses of the massive potential he had. United could probably set the starting fee at £30m.
That amounts to £90m, the plan being to sell all of them in the summer. Obviously Mejbri and Fernandes might flop at their respective loan clubs and be priced at a fraction of that come June.
Who on earth outside of Man U "valued" McTominay at £40m? Transfermarkt is hardly a perfect guide but they have him at €28m and frankly that seems generous.
Read my post again or reassess your reading comprehension. I said he’s valued by the club at £40m and we could get £35m for him this summer.
Given West Ham bid £30m for in last summer, and he’s having a better season this time round, what is “hilarious” about my comment?
The fact that you think United can “set the starting fee at 30m” for greenwood tells me all I need to know about your assessment. I would try reading some news articles and rethink your own common sense before trying to judge my reading comprehension.
It was reported back in October that the club think they could get £21m for Greenwood from 80% of the sale (Getafe getting the remaining 20%).
Given he’s only impressed more since then and there’s half a season to play, you don’t think £30m is attainable given Barcelona are apparently an interested party?
My man changing his statement every post. First it is “set the starting fee at 30m” and then we are talking about a a max 30m in the next statement. Your boy has committed domestic violence. Significantly reduces his value so yes I will stick to my statement. Just so you know. Transfer values on transfer market don’t equate to what is actually paid. But keep dreaming.
Again, read the original statement. The allegations/charges/ clearly haven’t impacted his reputation in Spain given he’s playing every weekend and apparently is attracting the interest of Barcelona.
I’ve not changed my statement: United can probably set the starting fee at £30m in the summer (you conveniently avoid quoting the “probably” in my original point but hey ho).
I stand by that. I’m not exactly saying it’s £100m or bust for Greenwood am I? £30m for him come June 2024, having been valued at £21m in October 2023, is not bonkers. And that is a serious reduction on what would have been his true worth thanks to, as you say, the DV charges.
We’ll see what happens. I just don’t think McTominay fetches anywhere close to 40M, has a year less on his contract. Hasn’t exactly shown he has been better in the midfield position, albeit the goals, no one is signing him to play forward. You were offered 30m last summer and no one offered more. So again I think it’s less this summer.
Greenwood has 3 goals this season in 16 games. Wouldn’t say it’s incredible but decent when you add his 3 assists. His DV will always play a part of his evaluation even if it is Spain. We’ll see what happens but just my opinion. Don’t think you get close to the fees you think you will
Agreed, let’s see. The market is proven to be bonkers every summer and a good Euros for McTominay could see someone splurging out on him.
I was only given thoughts on how the article/club came to a £100m valuation for that 4 players. United are historically a terrible selling club so we’ll probably revisit this in September when we’ve got barely £50m for the four of them
lol no. You were offered 30m. I also love that United fans think he has been better this season lol. Every time he plays they have the biggest gap in midfield and United get ran through. He isn’t a striker lol
They're not getting £40m for McTominay and £30m for Greenwood.
Man Utd have basically no bargaining power when it comes to Greenwood, it's clear that they won't have him back due to PR reasons, and its not exactly like he's been tearing up La Liga to have a tonne of clubs in for him.
I could see West Ham going back in for McTominay, but he's not done anything this season to show he's worth more than the £30m they bid for him last summer which was already a massively inflated fee.
We’ve been linked with every player under the sun by random media. Newspapers have also said we’re interested in Mbappe, does that make it true? And who the fuck is Kyle Newbould? No reliable Newcastle journalist has ever said there’s been interest.
Also 4 assists. Numbers aside, in the few times I watched Getafe it's obvious that Greenwood's level is much much higher than the club. It's not a far reach thinking he's a 50 mil level player on talent alone, obviously brought down by being absolute scum.
There's gotta be a team who won't care about the negative PR he'll bring. Lazio being the obvious answer, though there's no way they'll fork 50.
Rational take. Hes clearly a level above getafe and showing that. Most here cant put aside his shitty persona for a second. To your point about buyers, professional sports have proven time and time again that teams are willing to look past scumbags if they handle or kick a ball well.
Everyone else here thinking otherwise is delusional, just started following sports or cant put aside their emotion.
Greenwood is showing that hes still a good young player with a decently high ceiling. Someone will bite maybe not at 50M but to act as if he's going to go for 15-20M is also absurd
Yea the reason there is interest in him is because MU is desperate to off load him. Nobody is going to take that PR hit unless they get greenwood for nearly nothing.
Explain what part is delusional? I’ve given media reports and facts around valuation to explain how those 4 players amount to £100m based on club valuation and transfer details.
Where are your facts? where are your "media reports"?
Just because they have options to buy for a certain amount doesn't mean the club will buy them even for that price.
No one is paying £40m for McT. 25, at best.
Greenwood? United are in NO way to bargain about his price, should be happy if get £10m if anything. He is a PR nightmare so only desperate clubs will take him, on loan or for a small fee.
You should start working for the Sun or Dailymail if these are your facts, if you haven't already.
😂pal I’m just trying to explain how iNews, a tabloid, has come to a £100m valuation for those 4 players. I haven’t valued those players.
iNews have clearly taken Mejbri’s and Fernandez’s obligation clauses, the club’s valuation of McTominay last summer (40m) and then added the club’s valuation of £21m for 80% of Greenwood which was reported in October. That’s all.
I know r/soccer is easily triggered but to send a suicide message to someone trying to reason on a tabloid valuation is absurd. As you were.
I can see how the paper got to £100m. Not saying United will actually get that amount but the value could be there.
Hanibal’s buy out clause is around £25m. Fernandez’s buy out clause is £6m.
West Ham bid around £25-30m for McTominay last summer.
Greenwood is scum, but he still has potential to be a world class footballer and other clubs have clearly proven they care less about his character than his football ability, so United could deffo get around £25m for him.
All of that equals about £85m. If United can sell off a few more academy players who aren’t going to make it at United but have done well elsewhere or in the youth teams, like Brandon Williams or Charlie McNeill, for a couple of million each then it easily gets up to around £100m.
Who has the 25m to buy Greenwood? His current club's record transfer fee is €11m. They're not breaking that without European football.
I'm not arguing his talent isn't worth £25m but his options will still be very limited with the more popular clubs still most likely to prioritize PR over his talent.
Getafe took him in with open arms because they're a small club that has been 2 points off relegation for the last 3 years.
The other clubs willing to take him won't have the finances to pay £25m and give him decent wages.
I’m not saying Getafe would sign him, but there’s already been rumours of Atletico Madrid and clubs in Italy being interested, plus there’s always Saudi Arabia.
Athletico is rumoured to be eyeing him up along with Juve I believe. People forget that despite his scumbag status, he was literally a 100m+ player before his suspension. 25m for him now would be an absolute steal.
I don’t agree, I think a lot of top clubs would be in for Greenwood. He shouldn’t play football again, but he’s a ridiculous player, and teams will see that as worth it over his PR
>Hanibal’s buy out clause is around £25m
Surely there's no way Sevilla pay that? That would be their second most expensive signing, and they probably won't have European football next season
Can't see any club wanting Greenwood for that sort of fee unless it's somewhere like Saudi? Any serious club will see the fan backlash, affect on women's team etc and think fuck that.
Absolutely no way Hannibal goes for 25m either.
I reckon 25m-30m for McTominay is fair. The rest will be 5-10 a pop here and there if United can convince clubs their surplus youngsters are better than they probably are.
Who the fuck is paying £25m for Hanibal?
West Ham spent that money on JWP and it was the right decision.
PL clubs won’t risk a PR nightmare signing him, any club who would be willing to risk paying for him aren’t going to be able to afford or want to pay anywhere close to your valuation.
So that leaves you with £6m because your valuation of all these players are miles off reality.
For starters, chill the fuck out.
Also I never said someone would buy Hanibal for £25m, I said that’s what his release clause is. And that’s not my valuation, it’s just a fact. Im just pointing out how the newspaper got to the £100m number.
Where did I say there was a guarantee of those fees? Ive literally said the opposite.
All I did was point out release clauses and amounts that have already been bid by other clubs, and then speculated on how much Greenwood is worth.
I wouldn’t let United get you so worked up and live in your head rent free like that. It’s not good for your stress levels.
I’d say we’ll get 30 for both McTominay and greenwood. 20m clause for Mejbri and I think it’s a 15m clause for Fernandez. Add in guys like Williams who’s having a good season, so we’ll get around 5/10m to him as well as a couple of the lads from the youth sides who’ll go for a few million each (Forson, Shoretire and McNeill will probs be sold)
Severely doubt West Ham return for McTominay, they're getting Phillips and have so many midfielders who play centrally (wingers Kudus and Paqueta both work at attacking midfield as well)
I severely doubt Greenwood, Hannibal and Fernandez will get sold for over 20m each so McTominay's their only hope if they want to get 100m for these 4 combined.
I think people will be surprised by what they get for him in the end. Real, Barca and others have already been sniffing around and he's not got anywhere near the levels of shit people were expecting in Spain. He's also bounced back well (clarity - from being out for 18 months) and been one of Getafe's better players this season.
> Real, Barca and others have already been sniffing around
whats your source on this? feel like those teams would probably be aiming higher than a bloke with 3 goals in 16 league games
People find it hard to understand that there are plenty of countries around Europe which don't apply the same standards the UK does to sport. Thoroughly awful guys can play for your team if they're good enough and play for the club. It's alien to a lot of people and makes them underestimate things.
I'd say he's going to go for 40-50m quid. If he wasn't a piece of shit he'd probably be a 100m footballer today, buying that for half price is a steal if you don't care that he's a cunt.
He's scored 3 goals in 16 games, in what world is that a 100m forward?
Sure there are places where his name won't be so toxic. But how many clubs in those places can afford tens of millions on a player?
They'll be lucky to get £10m for him.
Have you watched him play? Go look at how he's doing in Spain - he's 22 with ridiculous talent and potential.
He's a prick - I'm not even going to argue that - but his performances in Spain this year mean he'll go for way more than £10m.
It's also worth being honest with the numbers - he's played on the wing more than anywhere else and has a combined contribution of 3 goals and 4 assists in the 16 games he's played in - after a near 2 year absence. He's also had at least one really standout performance in that time where he was head and shoulders the best player on the field.
To put it into wider context - we just sold ASM for £25m and his stats were 13 goals and 21 assists in 125 games! He was also 4 years older so unlikely to improve drastically on his current skillset.
>in what world is that a 100m forward?
OP did say "If he wasn't a piece of shit he'd probably be a 100m footballer today" which is true, before rape stuff came out he looked like a generational talent. The rape stuff stunted his development, but his time at getafe is proving the natural talent is still there & at the right club he can 100% reach that level.
in la liga he's averaged a direct goal involvement every 160 minutes or so. (5 goal involvements in last 9)
He's doing this in a team which has finished 15th the last 3 seasons, a team that plays a style most spanish fans call anti football.
in the last 3 seasons getafe averaged 0.8 goals a game. in the 15 games greenwood played they've averaged 1.32 per game. If they keep that rate up it will be their highest scoring league season in 14 years.
Greenwood is a huge part of why & He's doing that having not trained professionally or played a professional match for 18 months before he joined.
I reckon 30m to be fair. He's done ok this season but he was a world class potential player, I reckon a few teams might not be afraid to take a gamble.
You're joking but there's a chance he makes the majority of that number.
Not that he doesn't deserve to have his career cut short for the gigantic POS he is, but there's a good chance he's going to get a move to a good club. Who knows, he might even get a wage bump after everything he's done.
To be fair, it's not like United aren't utilizing academy products otherwise.
Mainoo and Garnacho are both mainstays in the team, so is Rashford obviously. There's a plethora of talent coming through at the minute, Kambwala at CB, Gore in midfield, Jack Fletcher who's highly rated, and potentially Lacey on the right hand side, though he is very young, and unfortunately injured at the minute.
Mainoo, Gore and Rashford are all local as well, one of PSG's big criticisms iirc was that they were selling their own local talents.
Hannibal and Alvaro came from France and Spain respectively and well, Greenwood is a dickhead, leaves Scott who's very much not at the requisite talent level either.
I don't really think it's the same really. All that said idk how on earth they think we'd get 100m for the 4 mentioned above. 6m for Alvaro will probably happen, I don't think Sevilla will trigger Hannibals option at 25m or whatever it is, and with Phillips at West Ham now I don't think they'll come in for Scott at 30m like they did last summer. Greenwood might fetch a fee as there's rumours Atletico Madrid and Barcelona are interested in him, but I still doubt it'd be anything above 25m, and those are only rumours.
He quite literally is a youth product. Joined United at 15 years old, 4 years ago. Played in the youth cup winning team, and I think he scored in every round there as well actually.
He isn't local, and he's not been at the club since he was like 7-8 like a fair few others have, but he's factually a Manchester United academy product.
>[The Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP) was conceived by the Premier League and adopted by the English Football League and sets out a methodology for clubs to manage their academy environments.
>The EPPP works across three phases: Foundation (Under-9 to Under-11), Youth Development (U12 to U16) and Professional Development (U17 to U23).](https://www.academyfootball.info/football-academies)
Came there as a 16 year old at his most important phase development wise to help him make the cut to the senior squad. 2 years later he made his debut. So, he is an academy product. Maybe not like Rashford or McTominay but he still is
I heard Barcelona were interested, though I can't see it happening as they have no cash.
But still would be funny if he went, the amount of Barce spin would be crazy.
The Barca spin, to me, reads like Greenwood's agent trying to link him to a big club, to generate interest. Most of it seems to come from The Sun, who typically are rags, but also have obviously got sources "close to Greenwood's camp".
3 goals and 4 assists in 17 appearances isn't exactly setting the world on fire lol. At least half of Real and Barça's teams alone are ahead of him on value.
>Greenwood is arguably top 5 best players in LaLiga right now and could be available for pennies.
My friend, you have a future in comedy. You could pick 5 players from the Real Madrid bench that would start over him any day.
He has already been linked to Atletico and for what I could read they are pretty serious about him. Now Atletico won't be paying more than 20 or 25 million, and half of it goes to Getafe.
I think it's much more of an England thing than a big club thing. No English club can go for him without a (rightful) PR shitstorm, but I think if he goes to any foreign club they won't suffer too much for it.
I don't see any big name foreign club getting him either. Basically any club that fashions itself as a global icon and values its brand. Clubs like Barca, Bayern, RM, etc.
I can maybe see one of the Italian giants maybe taking a punt. Or an upper-middle tier Spanish team like Atletico perhaps.
I think those giants would maybe demand a slightly bigger level shown from him than they would of their *normal* signings prior to going for them, but if Greenwood absolutely destroys it for the next season or two I think they'd still go for him. Hell, Barça was already rumored and though you can argue it's fake, I really don't think it's beneath them if they can get him cheap and think he'll massively overperform his cost.
The global brand thing is true, but global does not just mean Western Europe. In fact, it mostly doesn't, as people from that area tend to support clubs within their countries more. You just need a cursory glance through twitter and you can see a lot of the United fans who defend and want Greenwood back are from Africa and Asia.
In England, on the other hand, he'd need to be a Kobe-like level talent - as he also had a similar, though not as clear situation - to be worth it imo. It's much closer to the local fans there, who are perfectly aware of all the facts and rightfully outraged.
Contrary to popular belief, I don't think what fans on Twitter think matters all that much. What matters to global brands is sponsors and partners, most of whom will do a standard risk assessment and find that the negatives greatly outweigh the positives.
Which is why I don't see any big club making such a signing. And that's disregarding the fact that he really hasn't shown the talent level to justify a big club taking a punt on him.
We would have to sell Raphinha before, but if we do, it could happen. We would have Greenwood and Lamine Yamal as our RW options, so good couple of players.
If there's nothing else to be proud of of England these days at least we're apparently not ones for tolerating and celebrating rapists, unlike Spain. United would have brought him back were it not for the level of backlash.
Yeah, they are, but, at this point its about whether you believe those allegations or not, which is totally fair.
However, I've seen those texts and that, to me, is proof enough. Not everyone has to agree, and that's fine, but my personal opinion is that he did it, and I just hope his victim gets the help, support and love she needs to move past this, which, speaking as someone who knows people for whom similar things have happened, is going to be almost impossible.
True, Greenwood is kinda a special case because of the audio recording. Either way though, neither have been found guilty yet so we as a society are not completely sure what to do/say.
Most teams have fans that give him some kind of chant or abuse. Another matter would be if said chants/abuse would stop if he was signed by said fans team (I can see that happening in most fanbases, maybe with the exception of Rayo).
Which players will be a part of remaining 98m then?
>Greenwood is not the only academy product United may well dispense of. Despite his goal return this season, Scott McTominay is seen as replaceable, with the hope West Ham come back in for the Scot this summer, while some graduates out on loan – Hannibal Mejbri and Alvaro Fernandez – have clauses in their deals that could make their Old Trafford exits permanent at the end of their loan spells. All in, the club could recoup towards £100m on academy products alone. > >The outgoings, Ratcliffe and his new football committee hope, are not going to end there. Insiders have confirmed reports that several stars have been offered to Saudi Arabian clubs, after current football director John Murtough visited the country during the Club World Cup in December. > >Aaron Wan-Bissaka, Casemiro, Jadon Sancho and Antony were all on the list of possible options, sources said
David Moyes will turn McTominay into a 10 goal a season midfielder Like Soucek in his first season at West Ham
10 goals sure, midfielder no
The reverse Joelinton.
The Notniloej
I think I just bought that from IKEA this week
I just got an overwhelming urge to join the Navy
I think he'd be decent in that Everton Fellaini role. Big fucker in the 10 to win the ball high, win headers and make late runs.
Late runs sure, doesnt win the ball much though
With a bit more licence to press high up instead of being expected to sit in the pivot I think he'd have more joy at winning the ball back than he does at united. Different kinds of defending, and he's just not very good at the latter.
He has a lot of license to do that, he is pretty much never in the pivot
You haven’t seen United play this season have you? Ten Hag just lets him do what he wants, it’s one of the main reasons why we keep conceding easy goals.
He's already got 6...
He will Fellaini him and play him as a false 9
Whatever makes Bowen happy!
Maybe he’s the Fellaini successor Moyes has been waiting for (after Soucek)
Top scorer in the euro qualifiers for Scotland. Boys got a goal in him if allowed to play
No idea how they've got to 100m from that list of Academy players. They'd be lucky to get 50
They'd need their academy players to massively impress on loan and I'm not sure that's really happening. They'd definitely get some money from Greenwood but i don't think they'll get the bidding war they'd like. Will be intersting to see what happens with Sancho.
With Greenwood you'd have to take pretty much whatever offer you get. The buying club has all the leverage because they know how toxic it would be for them to bring him back.
They've devalued Sancho. They'll probably bring him back once they've got rid of Ten Hag in a couple months.
Why would they? Just hope he does decent in Germany so u can sell him
Because he's worth more to United at United playing well, then he is of United were to sell him after a decent 6 months in Germany. They just won't get the same value right now, than if another manager makes a success of him at United.
>playing well That's the key factor though, 2 managers have already failed to get the best of him, what's to say a third would With his ridiculous wages as well it's much better to cut our losses after a hopefully good stint in Germany imo
Can barely blame Sancho for having Ole's decline, the interim Ragnick and then Ten Hag soon froze him out. He's looking decent now he's back at Dortmund. United's managerial mess is to blame for not making the most of a clearly highly talented player. Not the player for not being given game time over Antony.
He had an entire season under ten hag before he was rightfully frozen out, he had more than enough game time and opportunities, you clearly haven't been watching him at United because he's not failed due to a lack of chances
Hating ETH is cool. I got it but good lord this narrative is brain dead
Can blame him for being gassed after 60 minutes though
He would never work out in the PL..He is just not good enough..ETH could get fired tomorrow and the chance of Sancho playing for us again would still be 0
He is good enough. Ten Hag is the problem. Sancho is clearly a very good player. Clearly far better than Antony. To say he "would never work in the PL" is straight idiocy.
You can see the same problems he has had in the PL in the games he has played in his comeback at Dortmund playing against two sides at the bottom of the table with 11 points ,Its just that the defences in Bundesliga are unlike anything you see in the PL I don't actually rate ETH but he wasn't the one stopping Sancho from turning up on time for training ,No managers gives a player a 3 month break to get his mental and physical fitness in check only for the player to go back to his bad habits a few months into the new season, Sancho with his tweet should he is an immature twat who thinks the world revolves around when he could have been a professional like Maguire who has gone through worse and still been one of the most professional lads in the squad ,Poch has called out Madueke a couple of times but he didn't post a rant and instead worked hard in training and did his talking on the field ,Sancho's major problems are unfixable at 23 and the manager basically has nothing to do with them ,He has had the same issues with the NT and even at Dortmund
Nah, he's already shown he's very immature, highly unprofessional, and not even remotely capable of playing in England, regardless of Ten Hag's failings. He just needs to be sold.
You're telling me a 23 year old is immature? Astounding stuff. Unprofessional is a boss publically blaming his employee for his shoddy work. "Incapable of playing in England" - fuck this hate train for Sancho is entirely irrational. Starting to think there is a serious race element behind this irrational hatred.
There's nothing irrational about it. I've watched the guy for years at United. He's never once looked very good. I've seen him play for England. He's never once looked very good. Clearly, he's suited to Dortmund and/or the Bundesliga, so that's where he should play. He had ample time to show United he was worth keeping, failed miserably under 3 different managers, and now he needs to go. That's all there is to it. The Ten Hag stuff is irrelevant at this point. You can't wait 4 years for a £75m signing to start contributing.
Wait 4 years? When do you think Sancho arrived? You claim all this bullshit but make up how long he was at the club. 3 different managers, including 2 caretakers. Be honest. Totally irrational. Sancho is better than every other attacker United has right now. You just hate him for other reasons and cannot accept he's actually a very talented player.
Talented player but not suited to the epl or at a club with the scrutiny like united. He's mentally weak.
Next year will be his 4th year. If he returns after his Dortmund loan, he'll be in his 4th year at United, that's what I'm talking about. He's already wasted 3 seasons, and nobody in their right mind is going to give a £75m bust a 4th year to show they're capable of playing at a high level. He's had more than enough time for United to decide to move on from him. And it's 3 managers I'm talking about, including *1* interim manager. Ole, Rangnick, and ETH. I'm not counting Carrick's 4 games as a significant part of Sancho's time at United. Sancho played under 3 managers for extended periods of time and failed to impress under each one of them. Now, it's time for him to move on. If he was actually better than every other player at United, he would've shown that at least once in 3 years and we'd all want him back. He didn't, so it's time to sell him. It has nothing to do with his talent and everything to do with his ability to do something with it.
I dont know about that, I mean fucking hell, Martial's had 9 years to pull his finger out and is now seeing out his contract on the treatment table the lazy miserable cunt
The £100m target is tabloid talk, United hardly called up iNews and said “hello mate, just to let you know we’re planning to sell Fernandez, Mejbri, McTominay and Geeenwood for £100m, if you can run with that?” That said, it’s hardly outlandish: Mejbri has an option to buy at £17m. Fernandez has an option to buy at £8m. McTominay is having a better season than last, when he was valued at £40m. He’d probably fetch at least £35m/£40m again this summer. Greenwood is a big question mark. He’s proven he can play in Spain without repercussion and has also shown glimpses of the massive potential he had. United could probably set the starting fee at £30m. That amounts to £90m, the plan being to sell all of them in the summer. Obviously Mejbri and Fernandes might flop at their respective loan clubs and be priced at a fraction of that come June.
There is no fucking way a club will pay 40 million for McTominay.
West Ham bid £30m last summer, United valued him at £40m. OP asked how United valued those players at £100m and I’ve given a valid explanation.
Who on earth outside of Man U "valued" McTominay at £40m? Transfermarkt is hardly a perfect guide but they have him at €28m and frankly that seems generous.
LOL 40m for Mctominay. Let me have what you’re smoking please. United fans are hilarious
Read my post again or reassess your reading comprehension. I said he’s valued by the club at £40m and we could get £35m for him this summer. Given West Ham bid £30m for in last summer, and he’s having a better season this time round, what is “hilarious” about my comment?
The fact that you think United can “set the starting fee at 30m” for greenwood tells me all I need to know about your assessment. I would try reading some news articles and rethink your own common sense before trying to judge my reading comprehension.
It was reported back in October that the club think they could get £21m for Greenwood from 80% of the sale (Getafe getting the remaining 20%). Given he’s only impressed more since then and there’s half a season to play, you don’t think £30m is attainable given Barcelona are apparently an interested party?
My man changing his statement every post. First it is “set the starting fee at 30m” and then we are talking about a a max 30m in the next statement. Your boy has committed domestic violence. Significantly reduces his value so yes I will stick to my statement. Just so you know. Transfer values on transfer market don’t equate to what is actually paid. But keep dreaming.
Again, read the original statement. The allegations/charges/ clearly haven’t impacted his reputation in Spain given he’s playing every weekend and apparently is attracting the interest of Barcelona. I’ve not changed my statement: United can probably set the starting fee at £30m in the summer (you conveniently avoid quoting the “probably” in my original point but hey ho). I stand by that. I’m not exactly saying it’s £100m or bust for Greenwood am I? £30m for him come June 2024, having been valued at £21m in October 2023, is not bonkers. And that is a serious reduction on what would have been his true worth thanks to, as you say, the DV charges.
We’ll see what happens. I just don’t think McTominay fetches anywhere close to 40M, has a year less on his contract. Hasn’t exactly shown he has been better in the midfield position, albeit the goals, no one is signing him to play forward. You were offered 30m last summer and no one offered more. So again I think it’s less this summer. Greenwood has 3 goals this season in 16 games. Wouldn’t say it’s incredible but decent when you add his 3 assists. His DV will always play a part of his evaluation even if it is Spain. We’ll see what happens but just my opinion. Don’t think you get close to the fees you think you will
Agreed, let’s see. The market is proven to be bonkers every summer and a good Euros for McTominay could see someone splurging out on him. I was only given thoughts on how the article/club came to a £100m valuation for that 4 players. United are historically a terrible selling club so we’ll probably revisit this in September when we’ve got barely £50m for the four of them
We got offered 40m last summer lol and he’s had a better season so far
lol no. You were offered 30m. I also love that United fans think he has been better this season lol. Every time he plays they have the biggest gap in midfield and United get ran through. He isn’t a striker lol
Flair up bitch
There is no way clubs are going to pay £70m for McT and Greenwood. £40m for both is realistic
They're not getting £40m for McTominay and £30m for Greenwood. Man Utd have basically no bargaining power when it comes to Greenwood, it's clear that they won't have him back due to PR reasons, and its not exactly like he's been tearing up La Liga to have a tonne of clubs in for him. I could see West Ham going back in for McTominay, but he's not done anything this season to show he's worth more than the £30m they bid for him last summer which was already a massively inflated fee.
I mean you lot might come in for him, he's a much better sean longstaff
In your dreams.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-united-transfer-news-mctominay-28000186
We’ve been linked with every player under the sun by random media. Newspapers have also said we’re interested in Mbappe, does that make it true? And who the fuck is Kyle Newbould? No reliable Newcastle journalist has ever said there’s been interest.
Relax, I'm suggesting it's not as far fetched as you might think.
Greenwood has been doing very well fir his team last i saw. I don’t think it’s it if the realm of possibility to offload him for 50
He's a rapist who has scored 3 goals in 16 games in La Liga. Aint no body paying big money to take that off your hands.
Especially when they realistically have to sell outside England so they're limited to clubs with smaller budgets
Also 4 assists. Numbers aside, in the few times I watched Getafe it's obvious that Greenwood's level is much much higher than the club. It's not a far reach thinking he's a 50 mil level player on talent alone, obviously brought down by being absolute scum. There's gotta be a team who won't care about the negative PR he'll bring. Lazio being the obvious answer, though there's no way they'll fork 50.
Rational take. Hes clearly a level above getafe and showing that. Most here cant put aside his shitty persona for a second. To your point about buyers, professional sports have proven time and time again that teams are willing to look past scumbags if they handle or kick a ball well. Everyone else here thinking otherwise is delusional, just started following sports or cant put aside their emotion. Greenwood is showing that hes still a good young player with a decently high ceiling. Someone will bite maybe not at 50M but to act as if he's going to go for 15-20M is also absurd
Yea the reason there is interest in him is because MU is desperate to off load him. Nobody is going to take that PR hit unless they get greenwood for nearly nothing.
"Hello, yes, this is an emergency. I would like to report a delusion. Yes, I'll hold."
Explain what part is delusional? I’ve given media reports and facts around valuation to explain how those 4 players amount to £100m based on club valuation and transfer details.
Where are your facts? where are your "media reports"? Just because they have options to buy for a certain amount doesn't mean the club will buy them even for that price. No one is paying £40m for McT. 25, at best. Greenwood? United are in NO way to bargain about his price, should be happy if get £10m if anything. He is a PR nightmare so only desperate clubs will take him, on loan or for a small fee. You should start working for the Sun or Dailymail if these are your facts, if you haven't already.
😂pal I’m just trying to explain how iNews, a tabloid, has come to a £100m valuation for those 4 players. I haven’t valued those players. iNews have clearly taken Mejbri’s and Fernandez’s obligation clauses, the club’s valuation of McTominay last summer (40m) and then added the club’s valuation of £21m for 80% of Greenwood which was reported in October. That’s all. I know r/soccer is easily triggered but to send a suicide message to someone trying to reason on a tabloid valuation is absurd. As you were.
Huh, well fair enough. Also, I haven't sent you any messages in private?
You just discovered how negotiations work
I can see how the paper got to £100m. Not saying United will actually get that amount but the value could be there. Hanibal’s buy out clause is around £25m. Fernandez’s buy out clause is £6m. West Ham bid around £25-30m for McTominay last summer. Greenwood is scum, but he still has potential to be a world class footballer and other clubs have clearly proven they care less about his character than his football ability, so United could deffo get around £25m for him. All of that equals about £85m. If United can sell off a few more academy players who aren’t going to make it at United but have done well elsewhere or in the youth teams, like Brandon Williams or Charlie McNeill, for a couple of million each then it easily gets up to around £100m.
Who has the 25m to buy Greenwood? His current club's record transfer fee is €11m. They're not breaking that without European football. I'm not arguing his talent isn't worth £25m but his options will still be very limited with the more popular clubs still most likely to prioritize PR over his talent. Getafe took him in with open arms because they're a small club that has been 2 points off relegation for the last 3 years. The other clubs willing to take him won't have the finances to pay £25m and give him decent wages.
I’m not saying Getafe would sign him, but there’s already been rumours of Atletico Madrid and clubs in Italy being interested, plus there’s always Saudi Arabia.
Athletico is rumoured to be eyeing him up along with Juve I believe. People forget that despite his scumbag status, he was literally a 100m+ player before his suspension. 25m for him now would be an absolute steal.
I don’t agree, I think a lot of top clubs would be in for Greenwood. He shouldn’t play football again, but he’s a ridiculous player, and teams will see that as worth it over his PR
>Hanibal’s buy out clause is around £25m Surely there's no way Sevilla pay that? That would be their second most expensive signing, and they probably won't have European football next season
Can't see any club wanting Greenwood for that sort of fee unless it's somewhere like Saudi? Any serious club will see the fan backlash, affect on women's team etc and think fuck that. Absolutely no way Hannibal goes for 25m either. I reckon 25m-30m for McTominay is fair. The rest will be 5-10 a pop here and there if United can convince clubs their surplus youngsters are better than they probably are.
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playing for 10th having scored 3 goals. I dont understand why anybody would want him.
Is that it? If you believed the weirdos on Twitter you'd think he'd been world class.
yeah, i dont get it. And with all the baggage that also comes with him idont even get clubs accsepting being linked to him.
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his potensial is not the same as it was at utd. The time away from football wont have given him any favours.
Who the fuck is paying £25m for Hanibal? West Ham spent that money on JWP and it was the right decision. PL clubs won’t risk a PR nightmare signing him, any club who would be willing to risk paying for him aren’t going to be able to afford or want to pay anywhere close to your valuation. So that leaves you with £6m because your valuation of all these players are miles off reality.
For starters, chill the fuck out. Also I never said someone would buy Hanibal for £25m, I said that’s what his release clause is. And that’s not my valuation, it’s just a fact. Im just pointing out how the newspaper got to the £100m number.
Very chill mate, just grating how many delusional United fans think their academy graduates are guaranteed big fees.
Where did I say there was a guarantee of those fees? Ive literally said the opposite. All I did was point out release clauses and amounts that have already been bid by other clubs, and then speculated on how much Greenwood is worth. I wouldn’t let United get you so worked up and live in your head rent free like that. It’s not good for your stress levels.
I’d say we’ll get 30 for both McTominay and greenwood. 20m clause for Mejbri and I think it’s a 15m clause for Fernandez. Add in guys like Williams who’s having a good season, so we’ll get around 5/10m to him as well as a couple of the lads from the youth sides who’ll go for a few million each (Forson, Shoretire and McNeill will probs be sold)
30 for mctominay makes sense but who is going to pay 20 for Mejbri
Sevilla have an option to buy for 25m I think. Also we spent 10mil on him when he was 16 so I assume we’d want a hefty profit
Severely doubt West Ham return for McTominay, they're getting Phillips and have so many midfielders who play centrally (wingers Kudus and Paqueta both work at attacking midfield as well) I severely doubt Greenwood, Hannibal and Fernandez will get sold for over 20m each so McTominay's their only hope if they want to get 100m for these 4 combined.
Doubt Sevilla actually have the money to buy Mejbri. They'll probably be hoping his Sevilla performances put him in the shop window for prem clubs
Fucking hell man 😂😭
Definitely would get more than 2 m for him, probably 10-15
I think people will be surprised by what they get for him in the end. Real, Barca and others have already been sniffing around and he's not got anywhere near the levels of shit people were expecting in Spain. He's also bounced back well (clarity - from being out for 18 months) and been one of Getafe's better players this season.
> Real, Barca and others have already been sniffing around whats your source on this? feel like those teams would probably be aiming higher than a bloke with 3 goals in 16 league games
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chat is this soccercirclejerk?
Its in english, spanish or italian clubs dont care
People find it hard to understand that there are plenty of countries around Europe which don't apply the same standards the UK does to sport. Thoroughly awful guys can play for your team if they're good enough and play for the club. It's alien to a lot of people and makes them underestimate things. I'd say he's going to go for 40-50m quid. If he wasn't a piece of shit he'd probably be a 100m footballer today, buying that for half price is a steal if you don't care that he's a cunt.
He's scored 3 goals in 16 games, in what world is that a 100m forward? Sure there are places where his name won't be so toxic. But how many clubs in those places can afford tens of millions on a player? They'll be lucky to get £10m for him.
Have you watched him play? Go look at how he's doing in Spain - he's 22 with ridiculous talent and potential. He's a prick - I'm not even going to argue that - but his performances in Spain this year mean he'll go for way more than £10m. It's also worth being honest with the numbers - he's played on the wing more than anywhere else and has a combined contribution of 3 goals and 4 assists in the 16 games he's played in - after a near 2 year absence. He's also had at least one really standout performance in that time where he was head and shoulders the best player on the field. To put it into wider context - we just sold ASM for £25m and his stats were 13 goals and 21 assists in 125 games! He was also 4 years older so unlikely to improve drastically on his current skillset.
He's mainly played on the wing
>in what world is that a 100m forward? OP did say "If he wasn't a piece of shit he'd probably be a 100m footballer today" which is true, before rape stuff came out he looked like a generational talent. The rape stuff stunted his development, but his time at getafe is proving the natural talent is still there & at the right club he can 100% reach that level. in la liga he's averaged a direct goal involvement every 160 minutes or so. (5 goal involvements in last 9) He's doing this in a team which has finished 15th the last 3 seasons, a team that plays a style most spanish fans call anti football. in the last 3 seasons getafe averaged 0.8 goals a game. in the 15 games greenwood played they've averaged 1.32 per game. If they keep that rate up it will be their highest scoring league season in 14 years. Greenwood is a huge part of why & He's doing that having not trained professionally or played a professional match for 18 months before he joined.
> I'd say he's going to go for 40-50m quid. absolute bullshit
I reckon 30m to be fair. He's done ok this season but he was a world class potential player, I reckon a few teams might not be afraid to take a gamble.
absolute bullshit
Antony might get close to 10 if we're lucky
Lmao
You're joking but there's a chance he makes the majority of that number. Not that he doesn't deserve to have his career cut short for the gigantic POS he is, but there's a good chance he's going to get a move to a good club. Who knows, he might even get a wage bump after everything he's done.
The PSG way.
To be fair, it's not like United aren't utilizing academy products otherwise. Mainoo and Garnacho are both mainstays in the team, so is Rashford obviously. There's a plethora of talent coming through at the minute, Kambwala at CB, Gore in midfield, Jack Fletcher who's highly rated, and potentially Lacey on the right hand side, though he is very young, and unfortunately injured at the minute. Mainoo, Gore and Rashford are all local as well, one of PSG's big criticisms iirc was that they were selling their own local talents. Hannibal and Alvaro came from France and Spain respectively and well, Greenwood is a dickhead, leaves Scott who's very much not at the requisite talent level either. I don't really think it's the same really. All that said idk how on earth they think we'd get 100m for the 4 mentioned above. 6m for Alvaro will probably happen, I don't think Sevilla will trigger Hannibals option at 25m or whatever it is, and with Phillips at West Ham now I don't think they'll come in for Scott at 30m like they did last summer. Greenwood might fetch a fee as there's rumours Atletico Madrid and Barcelona are interested in him, but I still doubt it'd be anything above 25m, and those are only rumours.
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He was an academy transfer, pretty sure he counts as a united youth product technically although obviously he was not developed much there
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If he went from one academy to another then I would assume yes.
Played 2 years in the academy and scored in the FA Youth Cup final. He’s as a youth product as they come.
He quite literally is a youth product. Joined United at 15 years old, 4 years ago. Played in the youth cup winning team, and I think he scored in every round there as well actually. He isn't local, and he's not been at the club since he was like 7-8 like a fair few others have, but he's factually a Manchester United academy product.
>[The Elite Player Performance Plan (EPPP) was conceived by the Premier League and adopted by the English Football League and sets out a methodology for clubs to manage their academy environments. >The EPPP works across three phases: Foundation (Under-9 to Under-11), Youth Development (U12 to U16) and Professional Development (U17 to U23).](https://www.academyfootball.info/football-academies) Came there as a 16 year old at his most important phase development wise to help him make the cut to the senior squad. 2 years later he made his debut. So, he is an academy product. Maybe not like Rashford or McTominay but he still is
I heard Barcelona were interested, though I can't see it happening as they have no cash. But still would be funny if he went, the amount of Barce spin would be crazy.
The Barca spin, to me, reads like Greenwood's agent trying to link him to a big club, to generate interest. Most of it seems to come from The Sun, who typically are rags, but also have obviously got sources "close to Greenwood's camp".
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3 goals and 4 assists in 17 appearances isn't exactly setting the world on fire lol. At least half of Real and Barça's teams alone are ahead of him on value.
Not bad playing in a Spanish speaking team when you haven’t played professionally for over a year tbf
>Greenwood is arguably top 5 best players in LaLiga right now Lmfao no
Typical PL fanboy lmaoo
Don't insult us like that. We don't support this insane behavior.
I Could tell you at least 20-25 players Better than Greenwood in LaLiga right now, are you even watching LaLiga or following it?
25 from the top 5 teams alone
Definitely haha, that guy should pass whatever he’s smoking
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Still not true.
Least braindead united fan
>Greenwood is arguably top 5 best players in LaLiga right now and could be available for pennies. My friend, you have a future in comedy. You could pick 5 players from the Real Madrid bench that would start over him any day.
He has already been linked to Atletico and for what I could read they are pretty serious about him. Now Atletico won't be paying more than 20 or 25 million, and half of it goes to Getafe.
I don't think any of the "big clubs" can afford to go for him. It'll almost certainly be a low or mid-tier club at best, one with a lot less scrutiny.
I think it's much more of an England thing than a big club thing. No English club can go for him without a (rightful) PR shitstorm, but I think if he goes to any foreign club they won't suffer too much for it.
I don't see any big name foreign club getting him either. Basically any club that fashions itself as a global icon and values its brand. Clubs like Barca, Bayern, RM, etc. I can maybe see one of the Italian giants maybe taking a punt. Or an upper-middle tier Spanish team like Atletico perhaps.
I think those giants would maybe demand a slightly bigger level shown from him than they would of their *normal* signings prior to going for them, but if Greenwood absolutely destroys it for the next season or two I think they'd still go for him. Hell, Barça was already rumored and though you can argue it's fake, I really don't think it's beneath them if they can get him cheap and think he'll massively overperform his cost. The global brand thing is true, but global does not just mean Western Europe. In fact, it mostly doesn't, as people from that area tend to support clubs within their countries more. You just need a cursory glance through twitter and you can see a lot of the United fans who defend and want Greenwood back are from Africa and Asia. In England, on the other hand, he'd need to be a Kobe-like level talent - as he also had a similar, though not as clear situation - to be worth it imo. It's much closer to the local fans there, who are perfectly aware of all the facts and rightfully outraged.
Contrary to popular belief, I don't think what fans on Twitter think matters all that much. What matters to global brands is sponsors and partners, most of whom will do a standard risk assessment and find that the negatives greatly outweigh the positives. Which is why I don't see any big club making such a signing. And that's disregarding the fact that he really hasn't shown the talent level to justify a big club taking a punt on him.
Not at all. Any club with a big-name sponsor cant go for this twat.
Has he thought about a career switch to hockey? I hear Edmonton will take anyone with a past.
Only team that would gladly take him is Team Canada for the World Juniors
Its mostly his camp trying to link us for a move, we dont have the cash and our womens team would quit on the spot if we did hire him
Only the Sun reports that, and everyone else reports what the Sun reported. So, no, Barcelona is not interested.
Barca can get fucked. Would rather sell him elsewhere for pennies than hand them a player with world class potential on the cheap
Calm down buddy, as if we even wanted this disgusting human being in our team lmao We have enough with a drunk driver, no rapists needed, thank you.
We would have to sell Raphinha before, but if we do, it could happen. We would have Greenwood and Lamine Yamal as our RW options, so good couple of players.
It's not exactly a fire sale if you want £100m
I think they meant £100m for all the various sales. Not just for Greenwood
https://youtu.be/280yPTyei0U?si=Do-qD_qDHK7IqIPK
£60m is more likely.
If there's nothing else to be proud of of England these days at least we're apparently not ones for tolerating and celebrating rapists, unlike Spain. United would have brought him back were it not for the level of backlash.
I mean... Thomas Partey still very much plays in the league when fit.
not trying to defend the premier league or anything but isnt thomas partey only allegations
“Technically” so is Greenwood. Although it’s obvious he’s done it, legally he hasn’t cuz the case was dropped
Yeah, they are, but, at this point its about whether you believe those allegations or not, which is totally fair. However, I've seen those texts and that, to me, is proof enough. Not everyone has to agree, and that's fine, but my personal opinion is that he did it, and I just hope his victim gets the help, support and love she needs to move past this, which, speaking as someone who knows people for whom similar things have happened, is going to be almost impossible.
They got married. I'm sure she's getting the help to move past it.
Ah yes, because marriage always fixes people's problems.
True, Greenwood is kinda a special case because of the audio recording. Either way though, neither have been found guilty yet so we as a society are not completely sure what to do/say.
Osasuna, Athletic and Rayo fans have given/will give him abuse, at least.
Celta did as well when he came to Balaidos.
Most teams have fans that give him some kind of chant or abuse. Another matter would be if said chants/abuse would stop if he was signed by said fans team (I can see that happening in most fanbases, maybe with the exception of Rayo).
Rayo would burn the place to the ground. See the Ukrainian fascist signing a few years ago
If it was England he'd need personal security
Thomas Partey and Ronaldo seemed to be fine?
Greenwood is a step further down the line than those two honestly.
Neither were proven to have done anything and Partey got booed at most games he was at
If thats your logic then Greenwood is also innocent right?
Oh no doubt
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Why do you want a rapist at your club
I really don’t want him as a barca fan
Greenwood will go for £40million tops
They say this every year and then say they’ll only sell players for stupid money and then they don’t get sold and then the cycle continues