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Tbh Adeyemi should've been here too. Maatsen isn't able to have the game he had without Adeyemi's work in defense and he still had enough about him to contribute to Dortmund going forward. Absolutely underrated performance and unbelievable work rate this late into the season.
It’s based off their match rating for certain things done in the match rather than total performance
The way hakimi plays , progressive carries progressive passes etc all boost his ratings
Similar to how messi can have a seemingly mediocre game but get a great rating because he’s constantly involved and racking up high pass and dribble numbers
Whoscored doesn't measure progressive carries or progressive passes.
Hakimi is in there because he had 3 key passes, joint highest in the match(Brandt, Mbappe and Sancho all also had 3).
Also 7.06 just isn't that good of a rating anyway. The fact that he's in the team of the week with that rating is more because other right backs didn't get a good rating rather than him being particularly good.
His competition this week was
Kimmich-6.58
Ryerson-7.05
Vazquez-5.33
Edit: To be more precise, Hakimi's score was because
1 key pass: +0.1 points
1 clearance: +0.1 points
1 successful dribble: +0.1 points
Opposing team scored: -0.2 points
Another clearance: +0.1 points
Another clearance: +0.1 points
1 shot hitting the woodwork and 1 key pass: +0.4 points
1 successful tackle: +0.1 points
Another key pass: +0.2 points
1 aerial duel won: +0.1 points
I rounded those off so they're just approximations. But you can add them up from a base score of 6.0 to get somewhere in the ballpark of the final rating.
Edit2: I just caught the highlights just to have more context on the stats and he really should have had a goal and an an assist lol. Did very well to get his shot off and was basically a cm away from scoring from his shot. And Dembele should have buried the chance he set up for him.
Anything over 7 is a fine rating. I think people are overtly harsh against fullbacks and don't understand the position, they are challenged time and time again in a match by the trickiest players on the pitch, there's no wingback that every single game shuts down their side. And if they do, they tend to have stifled offensive output.
Oh yeah don’t get me wrong anything over 7 is good. Its just usually you expect higher ratings when you talk about team of the week/month stuff than 7.06.
But there were only 2 cl matches this week so not much competition i guess
He is saying that in comparison to a usual team of the week, a player score of 7.06 rating is rather meh - you'd normally see something like an 8.55 or some other crazy high score.
But in general, a 7.06 is a good score.
100%. With Hakimi in particular, people make it seem like he's a useless defender, but I think he is actually a very solid defender, especially considering how far up the pitch he tends to play in a 4-at-the-back system. There have been very few players who can look as defensively solid as CBs while playing FB. Lahm might be an example of that, though.
>messi can have a seemingly mediocre game but get a great rating because he’s constantly involved and racking up high pass and dribble numbers
Only seemingly mediocre if you judge a playmaker solely on goals, which makes 0 sense.
Messi isn’t just a playmaker though is he ?
Let’s not act like we hasn’t seen cases of players having a good match rating despite not having an eye popping performance regardless of g/a
Different players have different standards, a "seemingly mediocre" performance for messi is a good performance for even other world class players and vice versa. People generally expect more from messi, they expect genius and when he doesn't deliver it, it's disappointing.
It's why nobody thinks mbop played well if he scores a tap in or pen and then did nothing the rest of the match but if haaland does that, "he's done his job" " hes inevitable".
But even then. Playmakers can definitely have games where they get all the chance creation stats, but none of the chances pass the eye test. Stars can be misleading.
I remember seeing a stat that he had the most chances created in the prem, but his xA was lower than De Bruyne's. Suggesting that De Bruyne would create fewer but higher quality chances. Was pretty interesting
If you watch the two that sounds pretty accurate. Bruno does have a very good pass in him and his vision is incredible but he's also a very high volume passer in general and loves threading a ball or going over the top even constantly even if it's not really the "best" pass on in that scenario. He also tends to hit a lot of his passes to the sides of the box closer to the sideline rather than through the middle which KdB is generally known for.
Exactly bro , although I could argue it works both ways , mbappe crated two very good chances with those lofted passes, that didn’t result in anything.
If messi did that despite having a quiet performance I think he’d get a lot more praise.
Na he wouldn't, he was better at anfield than mbop was last night and got a lot of criticism. He was also put in a better performance at prime juve away from home in 16/17, creating 2 great chances and he was seen as "going missing".
Messi has higher standards than mbop, he has higher standards than any player that's played this game for the past few decades, there were times for barca and especially Argentina people expected him to win games on his own or some shit.
I'll personally never hold mbop to that standard because its not fair, I judge his performances to his own standards and he was alright against dortmund, played better than he did against barca where he was not particularly good.
That doesn't actually have much to do with what I said but you know what for old messi that's quote fair but you know what, mbop is even worse than even old messi in that regard.
Because Messi literally never had a mediocre game in his life...
Dude brings up a hypothetical game where Messi just played okay, and you feel the need to tell us "no he actually was great in that made up game!!"
It's not rational.
"Messi can have a seemingly mediocre game"
"Its absolutely insane the lengths people will go to to pretend Messi is actually shit."
Fucking hell, is it unimaginable to think that Messi can have a mediocre game??? He gave a simple example ffs.
Messi sexuals are something else.
I think it's always funny that "he tried a lot but didn't succeed" like damn, 90% of the game is not succeeding in the end. But the fact he was taking on dribbles was awesome in itself. He had major confidence this game.
But yes second half was better and he could very well have had at least 1 assist if Brandt did a little better.
Well going into dribbling and losing the ball and especially all the misplaced passes I saw in the first half I wouldn‘t have classified as a „world class performance“, that‘s all.
I think for me, he was doing well first half as well. He still had like 80% pass completion or something like that. I compare that to Can who literally would give a bad pass to a player 2 meters from him. Sancho tried difficult things and if they work could be big payoffs.
Sancho completed 11 dribbles that game and 7 dribbles in the first haft which was more than his career dribbles at Man Utd and he is the first Englishman to dribble past 11 ppl in the ucl apart from that he created many chances so idk if you even saw him play
didn't you see that post about him having the most successful take-ons since Messi in 2008?
He may not have succeeded at every attempt but statistically he succeeded more often than any other player in the last 26 years lol
edit: some more perspective, he had more successful take-ons than all PSG players combined
I've watched Ian quite a bit at Dortmund. He doesn't even jump for headers... and otherwise has been brilliant. I can see Poch watching him come onto the pitch to join the shortest side in the Prem, seeing him not jump to contest that first one, and deciding that he's not going to suffer another short player who is going to lose him balls in the air (esp. when the backline has been so disorgnaised for the whole season).
It's a shame, esp. when you see how well Ian did defending last night. I'd rather have him than Chilly at this point, but I'm happy to see Ian shining in the UCL, free of Poch.
Only at the start Ian was a little wobbly and I was scared he was gonna get destroyed but he stood his ground after all. Great support from adeyemi helped him a lot as well
Just want to point out that Laimer's aggressive trigger press in the first couple of minutes let Kroos high football IQ know they were going to continue doing it pretty likely and I bet he spoke with Vini about it. What happened to Kim was a trigger press going wrong.
Yeah yes, sorry you lack tactic knowledge. That first goal was as much in Tuchel as in Kim. I never said Laimer played bad. I pointed out he pressed too aggressively first minutes and you don't expose your tactic against Kroos
I’m pretty sure Tuchel specifically told Kim to stop going in so hard with his challenges, which is how both goals were caused, so i fail to see how it was Tuchel’s fault 🤣
Ignore them, they want their 11 to be selected. Sancho, Hummels are already there and he is still talking about, Füllkrug missed couple of balls. Vitinha could have had couple of assists easily but is not up to him to score those great balls he put. He controlled that midfield like vintage Modric would.
Tue true , I feel like ppl are a bit swayed by winning bias , because Dortmund won surely all their players played well
I don’t think marquinos and vitinha have gotten enough praise for their performances
please tell me you have watched the second leg already and my beautiful goat Musiala has scored a brace or a wonder goal in the 90th minute to send us through to a der klassiker ucl final
Thought Adeyemi deserved a spot over Sancho tbh. The defensive workrate alone, dude ran a marathon out there.
Sancho was incredible too, don’t get me wrong. But Adeyemi did the dirty work.
I watched Dortmund vs PSG only for the first half and Sancho was decent in the, nothing special. Based on that he should get a 6.7
Was he so good in the 2nd half that he deserves an 8.7 ?
I completely agree that Sancho wasn't that good. He lost so many balls for no reason and didn't do anything defensively. He had a few good moments in the second half but it was not even an all around good performance...
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Laimer robbed
That was probably the match of his life lol
Also Musiala absolutly spanked the living shit out of Lucas Vasquez
Nah his performances vs Arsenal were even more impressive
Kimmich too, Hakimi was utter shit against Dortmund there is no fucking way he was better than Kimmich
Yup no PsG player deserves to be in this squad. Laimer and Kimmich did an amazing job against Madrid.
>Yup no PsG player deserves to be in this squad Id make an argument for Donnarumma over Kobel. Could've been a much worse result of not for him.
Kobel 1/1 on dribbles tho
Very fair take he had quite a good game.
Could've been a much worse result for BVB if not for Kobel
Vitinha I think was great and deserved to be there. I can see the argument for Can over him though, but Laimer probably makes the most sense
utter shit? you didn’t watch the game I assume
Tbh Adeyemi should've been here too. Maatsen isn't able to have the game he had without Adeyemi's work in defense and he still had enough about him to contribute to Dortmund going forward. Absolutely underrated performance and unbelievable work rate this late into the season.
if the boy could cross, he would have been MotM for me. just absolutely wasteful in his service around the box.
Hakimi totally lost the battle with Adeyemi. Don't see how he could be in the team.
It’s based off their match rating for certain things done in the match rather than total performance The way hakimi plays , progressive carries progressive passes etc all boost his ratings Similar to how messi can have a seemingly mediocre game but get a great rating because he’s constantly involved and racking up high pass and dribble numbers
Whoscored doesn't measure progressive carries or progressive passes. Hakimi is in there because he had 3 key passes, joint highest in the match(Brandt, Mbappe and Sancho all also had 3). Also 7.06 just isn't that good of a rating anyway. The fact that he's in the team of the week with that rating is more because other right backs didn't get a good rating rather than him being particularly good. His competition this week was Kimmich-6.58 Ryerson-7.05 Vazquez-5.33 Edit: To be more precise, Hakimi's score was because 1 key pass: +0.1 points 1 clearance: +0.1 points 1 successful dribble: +0.1 points Opposing team scored: -0.2 points Another clearance: +0.1 points Another clearance: +0.1 points 1 shot hitting the woodwork and 1 key pass: +0.4 points 1 successful tackle: +0.1 points Another key pass: +0.2 points 1 aerial duel won: +0.1 points I rounded those off so they're just approximations. But you can add them up from a base score of 6.0 to get somewhere in the ballpark of the final rating. Edit2: I just caught the highlights just to have more context on the stats and he really should have had a goal and an an assist lol. Did very well to get his shot off and was basically a cm away from scoring from his shot. And Dembele should have buried the chance he set up for him.
Anything over 7 is a fine rating. I think people are overtly harsh against fullbacks and don't understand the position, they are challenged time and time again in a match by the trickiest players on the pitch, there's no wingback that every single game shuts down their side. And if they do, they tend to have stifled offensive output.
Oh yeah don’t get me wrong anything over 7 is good. Its just usually you expect higher ratings when you talk about team of the week/month stuff than 7.06. But there were only 2 cl matches this week so not much competition i guess
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He is saying that in comparison to a usual team of the week, a player score of 7.06 rating is rather meh - you'd normally see something like an 8.55 or some other crazy high score. But in general, a 7.06 is a good score.
Wer lesen kann ist klar im Vorteil
Was nicht passt, wird passend gemacht
Es wird nicht so heiß gegessen wie es gekocht wird
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100%. With Hakimi in particular, people make it seem like he's a useless defender, but I think he is actually a very solid defender, especially considering how far up the pitch he tends to play in a 4-at-the-back system. There have been very few players who can look as defensively solid as CBs while playing FB. Lahm might be an example of that, though.
My goat Ryerson missing out by 0.02 smh
Yeh that’s a good point tbf
>messi can have a seemingly mediocre game but get a great rating because he’s constantly involved and racking up high pass and dribble numbers Only seemingly mediocre if you judge a playmaker solely on goals, which makes 0 sense.
Messi isn’t just a playmaker though is he ? Let’s not act like we hasn’t seen cases of players having a good match rating despite not having an eye popping performance regardless of g/a
Different players have different standards, a "seemingly mediocre" performance for messi is a good performance for even other world class players and vice versa. People generally expect more from messi, they expect genius and when he doesn't deliver it, it's disappointing. It's why nobody thinks mbop played well if he scores a tap in or pen and then did nothing the rest of the match but if haaland does that, "he's done his job" " hes inevitable".
But even then. Playmakers can definitely have games where they get all the chance creation stats, but none of the chances pass the eye test. Stars can be misleading.
Bruno Fernandes is the king of this.
I remember seeing a stat that he had the most chances created in the prem, but his xA was lower than De Bruyne's. Suggesting that De Bruyne would create fewer but higher quality chances. Was pretty interesting
If you watch the two that sounds pretty accurate. Bruno does have a very good pass in him and his vision is incredible but he's also a very high volume passer in general and loves threading a ball or going over the top even constantly even if it's not really the "best" pass on in that scenario. He also tends to hit a lot of his passes to the sides of the box closer to the sideline rather than through the middle which KdB is generally known for.
I mean yeah I actually watch football not spreadsheets, won't see me defending stat merchants lol.
Exactly bro , although I could argue it works both ways , mbappe crated two very good chances with those lofted passes, that didn’t result in anything. If messi did that despite having a quiet performance I think he’d get a lot more praise.
Na he wouldn't, he was better at anfield than mbop was last night and got a lot of criticism. He was also put in a better performance at prime juve away from home in 16/17, creating 2 great chances and he was seen as "going missing". Messi has higher standards than mbop, he has higher standards than any player that's played this game for the past few decades, there were times for barca and especially Argentina people expected him to win games on his own or some shit. I'll personally never hold mbop to that standard because its not fair, I judge his performances to his own standards and he was alright against dortmund, played better than he did against barca where he was not particularly good.
Messi is useless when he isn’t scoring or creating goals. He’s literally a defensive black hole and doesn’t press or win back the ball.
That doesn't actually have much to do with what I said but you know what for old messi that's quote fair but you know what, mbop is even worse than even old messi in that regard.
Because Messi literally never had a mediocre game in his life... Dude brings up a hypothetical game where Messi just played okay, and you feel the need to tell us "no he actually was great in that made up game!!" It's not rational.
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Bro that’s not at all what I said , there’s a reason why I said “seemingly mediocre”
Yeah but they didn’t suck off Messi so that’s not allowed
Lol
"Messi can have a seemingly mediocre game" "Its absolutely insane the lengths people will go to to pretend Messi is actually shit." Fucking hell, is it unimaginable to think that Messi can have a mediocre game??? He gave a simple example ffs. Messi sexuals are something else.
Messi is useless when he isn’t scoring or creating goals. He’s literally a defensive black hole and doesn’t press or win back the ball.
How dare you put Messi and Mediocre in the same sentence thats how I know y’all never deserved him.
Man stfu
Just like mbappe last match huh
You’re really just a jobless troll yh ?
False, Adeyemi never got past him.
Sancho on his own planet
I only watched the first half and saw Sancho try a lot but not succeed with that much tbh, did he just play that much better in the 2nd half?
I think it's always funny that "he tried a lot but didn't succeed" like damn, 90% of the game is not succeeding in the end. But the fact he was taking on dribbles was awesome in itself. He had major confidence this game. But yes second half was better and he could very well have had at least 1 assist if Brandt did a little better.
Well going into dribbling and losing the ball and especially all the misplaced passes I saw in the first half I wouldn‘t have classified as a „world class performance“, that‘s all.
I think for me, he was doing well first half as well. He still had like 80% pass completion or something like that. I compare that to Can who literally would give a bad pass to a player 2 meters from him. Sancho tried difficult things and if they work could be big payoffs.
Sancho completed 11 dribbles that game and 7 dribbles in the first haft which was more than his career dribbles at Man Utd and he is the first Englishman to dribble past 11 ppl in the ucl apart from that he created many chances so idk if you even saw him play
Yup
didn't you see that post about him having the most successful take-ons since Messi in 2008? He may not have succeeded at every attempt but statistically he succeeded more often than any other player in the last 26 years lol edit: some more perspective, he had more successful take-ons than all PSG players combined
Poch has blood on his hands for ditching out Maatsen and playing a CB in his place.
I've watched Ian quite a bit at Dortmund. He doesn't even jump for headers... and otherwise has been brilliant. I can see Poch watching him come onto the pitch to join the shortest side in the Prem, seeing him not jump to contest that first one, and deciding that he's not going to suffer another short player who is going to lose him balls in the air (esp. when the backline has been so disorgnaised for the whole season). It's a shame, esp. when you see how well Ian did defending last night. I'd rather have him than Chilly at this point, but I'm happy to see Ian shining in the UCL, free of Poch.
Only at the start Ian was a little wobbly and I was scared he was gonna get destroyed but he stood his ground after all. Great support from adeyemi helped him a lot as well
Changes I would make: - Kimmich instead of Hakimi - Laimer instead of Vitinha
I'm sure you're completely impartial
Vitinha was a lone midfield against Dortmund man
And Laimer basically silenced Bellingham, man.
Laimer had help and Bellingham had a stinker
A very german XI with those adjustments ;)
I mean half of the teams in the CL semis are German, so what's your point?
Kimmich is just good. And reliably good. As to your tweak, I think that Musiala is better than Vitinha & Laimer.
smh the disrespect to dortmund's woodwork, made several clutch contributions to their victory
Do we also need to credit the beautiful sky for the other shots they wiffed? :D
Dier was robbed
They just couldn't bring themselves to put him in a champions league semi final team of the week, it might cause a rip in time-space or something
So was Kim Maguire
laimer for vitinha
How is Laimer not in the top 11 ? He was imo the best player in both matches together of all 4 teams period.
Just want to point out that Laimer's aggressive trigger press in the first couple of minutes let Kroos high football IQ know they were going to continue doing it pretty likely and I bet he spoke with Vini about it. What happened to Kim was a trigger press going wrong.
yeah no
Yeah yes, sorry you lack tactic knowledge. That first goal was as much in Tuchel as in Kim. I never said Laimer played bad. I pointed out he pressed too aggressively first minutes and you don't expose your tactic against Kroos
Bayern didnt press anyone. Kim followed vini and opened up that hole.
I’m pretty sure Tuchel specifically told Kim to stop going in so hard with his challenges, which is how both goals were caused, so i fail to see how it was Tuchel’s fault 🤣
Good to see Sancho enjoying football again
How did Hakimi and Vitinha end up in there
Insert tobey Maguire meme ‘how’d that get in there?’
I thought vitinha was great as well tbf
LOL
This response really tells me all I need to know about this sub
Who did you think was better ? He won 4 of his 6 duels and had 12 accurate long balls , he controlled the game for large parts as well
Definitely Laimer
Did laimer play in Dortmund ?
No he played well for Bayern
Sancho, Hummels and Füllkrug were all definitely better
Flately disagree on fullkrug he had some great moments but his overall performance wasn’t that impressive, especially compared to vitinha
Ignore them, they want their 11 to be selected. Sancho, Hummels are already there and he is still talking about, Füllkrug missed couple of balls. Vitinha could have had couple of assists easily but is not up to him to score those great balls he put. He controlled that midfield like vintage Modric would.
Tue true , I feel like ppl are a bit swayed by winning bias , because Dortmund won surely all their players played well I don’t think marquinos and vitinha have gotten enough praise for their performances
I'll have to disagree
Laimer was definitely better than Vitinha and I think Adeyemi was better than Sane, but scoring a goal will boost Sane's score
No one noticing Adeyemi's massive defensive shift last night? The guy ran his guts off till he got tired and consequently subbed.
Holy shit Sancho, put some clothes on
I would make space for Musiala and either Ryerson or Kimmich on the right. Both were massively better than Hakimi.
I didn't think Ryerson was that great. He wasn't bad mind you, but I think pretty bang average.
Where Rodri? Thought he never lost a game in his life
I know it’s been a long time for your club but this is ratings for what is called a “champions league semi final”
Yeah, but Rodri has 115 or something games unbeaten with City, Google man City 115 to know more.
You mean 115 reasons not to be on the list
Laimer? Kimmich?
Kimmich? Absolutely. Laimer? Nah I’d pick Musiala instead. The kid is just immense.
If we are talking about the first leg, laimer was easily our best player
please tell me you have watched the second leg already and my beautiful goat Musiala has scored a brace or a wonder goal in the 90th minute to send us through to a der klassiker ucl final
Marquinhos was Goated for PSG last night
Adeyemi robbed had a beautiful game and so did Sancho.
How is Hakimi in this, he was absolutely catastrophic
No Laimer?
Brandt was robbed. Dude played with so much intensity and his press was so disruptive.
Aah the 4-2-4 setup strikes again.
Only person who scored a match winner didn't make it lol
Ryerson over Hakimi and that defense is fine as is
No musiala?
Ten hag truly a terrorist
Laimer and Brandt robbed. What were their scores?
Vitinha was the best player at PSG over the last 3 games. He’s playing like a prime Pirlo
Kane 7.76? What? LMAO
Thought Adeyemi deserved a spot over Sancho tbh. The defensive workrate alone, dude ran a marathon out there. Sancho was incredible too, don’t get me wrong. But Adeyemi did the dirty work.
Adeyemi deserved one over Sane
I would pair Marquinhos with Hummels
Laimer for Vitinha Kimmich for Hakimi Also tempted to bring in Neuer for Kobel and Musiala for Sancho and Swap Musiala and Sane's positions
Musiala for Sancho is wild
L’aimer and musicals not on the fucking team????????
Neuer was better IMO, made some very good saves and both goals weren't his fault at all.
Feel Neuer could have done better for the first goal, seem to come off his line and hesitated, if he fully committed he would have got there
The man is no longer 28. The hesitation to run was understandable.
I watched Dortmund vs PSG only for the first half and Sancho was decent in the, nothing special. Based on that he should get a 6.7 Was he so good in the 2nd half that he deserves an 8.7 ?
Brother he completed more dribbles than the entire PSG team
yes
In the 2nd half, he created some very good chances that should have been scored in the box.
I completely agree that Sancho wasn't that good. He lost so many balls for no reason and didn't do anything defensively. He had a few good moments in the second half but it was not even an all around good performance...
Kane over Musiala?
Would be fairer if it was Musiala instead of Vitinha
No Rodri 🤔 Edit: People didn't like this joke apparently, fair enough.
I know it’s been a long time for your club but this is ratings for what is called a “champions league semi final”
I just thought undefeated Rodri deserves a spot
In what world is vitinha better than laimer 🤣
Literally this one, by almost any significant metric.
It's a 4-2-4. Very unbalanced. I would have Laimer in place of Sane. Vini is a natural LW and Kane can play as a striker.
Rodri in place of Vitinha Kimmich in place of Hakimi
What is Kane doing over there? He was pretty much average against Real Madrid.