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Unironically that team would be a menace. But their playstyles are so different that it wouldn't work. Though if Tuchels defensive organization could be paired with whatever Poch has done to inspire some goals, we would be Top 4...maybe
Tbh one of the main things that separates good coaches from great ones is the ability to continue adapting to the ever-evolving football meta and stay relevant over long periods. I'm yet to see much to convince me Pochettino's best days as a coach aren't behind him.
I wasn't aware. Thats actually comforting, but this past season has shown us concede the most goals since the early 90s i thought. That may be tactics, or it may be the defenders, likely somewhere in between
I suspect it’s a bit of both. As others have mentioned tactics in the modern game change quickly. I feel like a lot of the top managers probably delegate that to assistants, famously SAF changed assistants every few years for this reason.
In the 16/17 season, when Chels won the league under Conte, Spurs scored the most and conceded the least. This year would be the first time since then a team can do that and not win the league assuming Arse doesn’t.
I'm actually surprised that he loved his time in England. Didn't think he hated it, but loved is a strong word...I think he'll find his way back to England sooner or later though
I definitely agree. I was sad when he left, and especially the way it happened, so I can’t blame him but I wish he was our manager still lol.
I’m excited for Poch tho
At least you can rest easy that if he went to United, they would still be where the are now. It'll be a few years before the new ownership clears out the rot
Why would a manager be loyal to Chelsea. They burn through managers like rizlas.
Tbh loyalty probably isn't as much of a thing in football these days anyway. It's a cut throat business and money is all that matters.
His sacking was unjustified, and the smear campaign the new board led against him was just awful to see.
He was the best Chelsea manager I'd seen since Mourinho and all the players loved him, even when results were bad.
He was so well-spoken in interviews and the way he handled the sale of the club in the media was highly professional.
I would have no ill will if he joined United, and honestly I really hope he'd be successful too, but that club has been a graveyard for successful managers.
Carlo was better imo. I rank Tommy slightly ahead of Conte but I wish Carlo would come back. If you think Tuchel's sacking was unjustified, Carlo's sacking was infinitely worse.
Tuchel doesn't wasn't loved by all players. I think players were neutral towards him. He doesn't rally people like Klopp and man management is definitely his biggest weakness. He also has a pissy/blunt personality with the board. If he comes back, we definitely need an ex-player (preferably Lamps) to facilitate communication like we did with Cech.
>I think players were neutral towards him.
He likes to ask how your family are, how you're doing. It's small things like that [which] help you feel comfortable" -Bettinelli
Thomas when he arrived, he gave me the confidence, the trust, he believed in myself that I'd be really useful for a team in a back three on the right. I felt a strong connection, everybody in the group, everybody was involved. - Azpi
Sources close to Chelsea noted Tuchel's strong communication skills with players and light tone; to assimilate with the playing squad, Tuchel regularly organized external team outings and activities, including cooking them pretzels. -Articles linked in Wikipedia
That's just not true that all the players loved him - clearly fell out with Lukaku, Werner was sold because they fell out and Pulisic's dad liked a tweet that said that Tuchel's tactics smother Chelsea attackers.
Lukaku is a basket case that burns bridges at every club he goes to.
Werner was dropped, but never once spoke ill about Tuchel in the media. Hell he was the one who started the UCL final.
Pulisic's dad, Thiago Silva's wife, Messi's dad, Ronaldo's sister and Neymar's dad are all cut from the same cloth.
Pulisic himself never came out and said Tuchel was being unfair.
You didn't mention Ziyech, who is the biggest example of getting the cold shoulder. Tuchel barely even subbed him on and he still didn't complain about it.
I would be fine, as opposed to a lot of people in our fanbase that want the owners to beg on their knees for him to be back. There is a reason why even Bayern fans wanted him sacked and aren't really thrilled with him (right now he is just the best of the worst).
For context, with us from November '21 until his sacking in early September '22 we didn't have 2 consecutive wins in the league besides a small purple patch of 5 games in February/March. The performances were getting worse, and by the end we were well beaten by Southampton and Leeds who were both relegated, Zagreb beat us in the Champions League, and once we went behind in those games, we didn't create any threat. Then we barely beat West Ham with a last minute goal (and their fans will say that we were lucky not to lose because of the goal that was cancelled for a very soft foul on Mendy) and Lampard's Everton with a plucky penalty. We genuinely looked out of ideas and really bad. The only good game was against Tottenham, which we should have won.
He is good, but our fans overrate him due to the CL win, for some he is like the second coming of Christ, but it seems that due to the fact of how shit the rest of the last season was, they have erased from their memories how bad we looked under Tuchel for quite a while before his sacking.
He's great at organising a defensive side and making a team good at phases of transition, but we looked clueless in possession. I still maintain though that with a different set of forwards (not Ziyech havertz mount) we would have been more threatening. Who knows how he'd do with our current squad though
Chelsea fan, don’t really mind.
Great cup manager, poor league manager and even worse signings.
In the right setup his a world class manager but that is not Man United.
Understandeable, he was sacked for no reason, it's not his moral obligation to not go to United now. They are a big club and it would be cool for him to do this (I wish them to always finish a place behind us, hehe.)
He's an amazing manager but I can't see him being too successful at United. As a role it's a PR nightmare, plus he can be quite abrasive with players, so definitely something the mercenaries won't enjoy too much. Would be sad to see him go there but Mourinhos an even bigger legend and it still didnt tarnish his reputation
I love him, but the club sacked him, he didn't want to leave. Would love him to come back, but if Poch isn't going, can't blame him for going to United.
Maybe also a reason why he failed in Germany. He compared everything and everyone to the Premier League and was lusting over PL players all the time. Really reminded me of THAT annoying exhchange student back from abroad.
Honestly, part of me we take him as England manager for the World Cup stint as a wildcard. Southgate’s leaving, there’s no real obvious candidate, and Tuchel has pedigree in cup competitions, so if he were up for it, I’d be down.
Winning the world cup with a German in charge would cause a Gammon Paradox too powerful to contain.
The cognitive dissonance would be enough to wipe Kent off the map completely
The FA would never take him. They want a politician who does/says the right things as much as they want a competent coach. The England manager is seen as an ambassador of English sport to them
I don't know who the current head directors & such at the FA are but presumably, they are the same people who joined at the same time as Gareth. If that is the case their cycle is probably at an end anyway. If restructured correctly there is potential for a more success-driven FA rather than the current Progressive PR-driven stuff
I mean it's pretty common in the PL for managers to complain that things aren't as good/well-organised here as they are in X country, particularly around fixture congestion, officiating, media and so on.
You guys saying he’s a failure are honestly insane to me.
He’s second behind a Leverkusen team who are on the cusp of having one of the greatest seasons in football history and they’re one game away from a Champions League final.
Bayern definitely lost a few too many games versus wins but no shame in that season at all.
All in his first season.
If he went trophyless for 3, maybe even two seasons, then you can call it a failure for a club like Bayern but to say Tuchel
Is the failure is disrespectful to teams like Leverkusen, Stuttgart and Dortmund who are all only like 8 points apart. It just goes to show how competitive Bundesliga has been this season and how incredible Leverkusen have been.
The year is 2050. Thomas Tuchel has won a total of 10 CLs - 5 with Chelsea, 5 with Bayern. Never more than one per stint, no stint longer than two years. He also hasn't won a single domestic title in either league.
Feels like Tuchel and Thiago Silva love Chelsea the most eventhough they spent a short period with us and have successful journey with other teams as well. The 2021 UCL winning team is a wholesome memory to us. Everyone loves the club and the fans really appreciate the squad.
Genuine question to Bayern and Chelsea fans: positive or negative? Tuchel is overwhelmingly seen as a negative appointment by the reddevils sub, so I'm curious to see your opinions. I myself am supportive of him if he comes, I recognise he's got a way better CV than ETH, unlike some on our sub.
the guy who brought PSG to CL final and then haunting Pep’s mind for months before beat him to win CL?
Chelsea fans literally put him on the same bracket with Jose and probably even higher than Carlo
He's my number 1 choice - The united job, with all due respect, is like no other. You need extremely thick skin and an elite mindset. That's why even though the football wasnt great and it turned sour, Jose has been the most successful since SAF left.
Tuchel's CL Chelsea team was the undoubtedly the best team in Europe if that says anything.
Note: recognising that Madrid weren't at 100% that season, but they were still totally outmatched
The amount of times I have seen people on r/reddevils question Tuchels “pedigree” and say he has “no tactics”, while dying on the ETH hill as if he’s the one who reached multiple CL finals and is a tactical genius who just concedes 20+ shots per game because of injuries and shit players (who either he signed or did completely fine under Ole & ETH last season) is simply insane. Genuinely feels like astroturfing at this point.
It absolutely boils my blood seeing the 'but who could the club bring in that's better than EtH??' takes in the sub, as if EtH hasn't been out-managed by nearly every other manager in the league and others across Europe at this point. We all know there's a really good manager in him because he's done it elsewhere, but a year-plus of bad results with this team, that he has built, far outweighs what he did with an awesome Ajax team five years ago in the CL in my mind.
Yeah I said some pretty foul things (much worse than “stans”) during the takeover process and the mods only slapped me with a 7 day ban and then jokingly went back and forth with me over PM for a bit. So this seems unlikely lol
I’m sorry but online fans are a poor representation of any clubs fans. Our home fans are rare to turn on players (although it’s become a bit more of an occurrence in recent years)
Here’s my 2 cents: his BVB side played great attacking football, his PSG made players shine (Neymar under him was a beast), and his Chelsea had defensive masterclass. It didn’t work at Bayern not only because of his tactics, but I tend to believe that there was a lot going on behind the scenes that shattered the team’s morale.
He really strong tactically and seem to be able to adapt well, his record in the cup competition is impeccable
Alot people say a downside of him is that he never stay in a club for long but like none of the club he work for tend to have manager stay for a long time
Dortmund hasn't got a manager stay longer than 2 years since Klopp
Both Chelsea and PSG are meat grinder for coaches
The last time Bayern got a coach for longer than 2 years was Pep
Alot of his old job tend to have quick turnover interm of manager
If people say ten hag is better than tuchel or that we shouldn't be bother to at least try to get him then they are delusional and im not even a ten hag out guy
/r/reddevils is a loony bin full of idiots who think Newcastle playing tough negotiators re Ashworth is them being insecure and petty.
I wouldn't take them seriously at all.
Depends on what you want. He might bring some success in the short-term, but I don't think it works out in the long run, which is why I don't want him back at Chelsea. Thank you for the CL, but he is overrated by our fans. Besides a purple patch of 5 wins in a row in February/March '22, since November '21 until his sacking next September he didn't string 2 wins in a row in the league. And we played worse by the end of his time here.
He fell out with Lukaku (admittedly not the easiest character to work with), Werner and Pulisic as far as I know, and we were playing worse and worse. We played Tottenham and all the relegated teams and relegation candidates at the beginning of last season under him, and the only game we looked good was Tottenham, the rest either was lucky wins or losses where we didn't create anything. It was hard to watch. Also we lost to Zagreb in the CL, and we didn't create anything in that game.
While we won the CL, we must admit that Pep overthought it in the final by not playing a DM (Rodri and Fernandinho were famously on the bench). Who knows how it had gone with either of those two in the team. But in 21/22 in games against City Pep clearly had the upper hand, because we weren't in the games at all, we didn't create anything.
He is good, and very likely better ETH, don't think you would have such heavy beatings with him in charge (although Leeds stuffed as 3-0 and Brentford did a 4-1, while West Brom beat us 5-2 at the Bridge with him in charge), but he isn't the one for the long term, and he has a weak talent ID.
Why is everyone saying he wants United if, Chelsea are in a better position, have more money to spend, and understand he's a club legend now and not to undermine his authority?
His obsession with the Prem always felt off. I don't know why he joined us, he should've stayed in England.
He's not far away from being English football YouTuber levels of obnoxious.
Win the CL and get your Prem fix, king!
Not winning the league, since they always win the league. Though seems unfair imo since bayer leverkusen have been untouchable this year. If he wins UCL, it’s going to look stupid.
>the YouTubers who slated him online
Happy you aren't considering them. They are nearly never a good representation of a club's fanbase since dramatic content brings more views.
I really love him as a manager but it's a mixed bag, over rated by some and under rated by others. Tuchel did really really well for a bit but also came very unstuck and struggled to get things working again. But it always comes with the huge caveat of the forced sale of the club, sanctions, injuries to key players at crucial moments etc.
Does he have the squad to replicate his Chelsea success at United? No way and they don't have anything to show us that they're capable of rebuilding one that will.
They don't have the backline to match how good Tuchel's Chelsea were both defensively and building up under pressure, who replaces peak Jorginho & Kante in midfield, Chilwell & James at wingback as well.
Tuchel is a great coach who lacks empathy. He is also very stubborn. This doesn't matter when your team is successful but as soon as you have to manage humans through failure with his attitude its over.
Take him back in a heartbeat over anyone out there currently.
Got us a champions league crushing all opponents with a front line of havertz, mount, werner. Dominated Pep over that season when Chelsea played city like 4 times. Had us comfortably finishing top 4 and challenging for the title until we had an injury crisis mid season. Potter couldn't hold a candle to his performance with the same squad within the same season. Even after he was sacked from PSG, his replacement in Poch had a lower ppg for the rest of the season.
He's elite and has the personality for big jobs. Even Psg fans knew he was tactically elite and didn't want him sacked. Some Chelsea fans are way too harsh on his time here when you think about where we are now.
Utd fans who think they're too good for tuchel are idiots. Let's be honest, they'd be gagging for this appointment before his bayern stint.
"My last information is we have a plane and we can go by plane and come back by plane. If not we go by train, if not by bus, if not I will drive a seven-seater"
Love him.
what team makes sense for tuchel?
man utd would be lucky to have him, but idk if he wants that man u drama in his life.
besides that where can he go in the premier league?
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"I would rather not answer" "Bring me fucking back"
"This is not the right time to say please for the love of god take me back"
Tucheliban? TucheliBack!!!!!!
Come back my boi, we'll make Poch your assistant
Unironically that team would be a menace. But their playstyles are so different that it wouldn't work. Though if Tuchels defensive organization could be paired with whatever Poch has done to inspire some goals, we would be Top 4...maybe
Poch was responsible for the best defense in the league at least one, possibly 2 or 3 seasons at Spurs.
Tbh one of the main things that separates good coaches from great ones is the ability to continue adapting to the ever-evolving football meta and stay relevant over long periods. I'm yet to see much to convince me Pochettino's best days as a coach aren't behind him.
I wasn't aware. Thats actually comforting, but this past season has shown us concede the most goals since the early 90s i thought. That may be tactics, or it may be the defenders, likely somewhere in between
I suspect it’s a bit of both. As others have mentioned tactics in the modern game change quickly. I feel like a lot of the top managers probably delegate that to assistants, famously SAF changed assistants every few years for this reason. In the 16/17 season, when Chels won the league under Conte, Spurs scored the most and conceded the least. This year would be the first time since then a team can do that and not win the league assuming Arse doesn’t.
I'm actually surprised that he loved his time in England. Didn't think he hated it, but loved is a strong word...I think he'll find his way back to England sooner or later though
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Yeah, United for sure.
So so special, Pep remembers.
Tuchel Chelsea against City is a mythical team
3 times in 1 month...
"So weeeeeide with the wingbacks"
You can go back to London on June 1st
Tuchel shows up to the team bus/flight with his entire life packed up ready for a permanent move.
I’ll have my birthday that weekend. Please Mister Tuchel, may I have a Bayern champions league win 🤗
No
Understandable. Have a great day. (Do it for Reus!)
No.
This is why you don't say your wishes out loud smh my head
Oh well 🤷
I think we should just leave him there with his Champions League winners medal on June 1.
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Mourinho, Mount, Mata, Matic. There's a clear pipeline. Needs to change his name to Mats Muchel.
Don't forget Mukaku!
Bah. Foiled.
all according to mukaku
And may milkins and meorge mraham
Not his fault we sacked him, I wouldn't feel bitter towards him but any success at United would be inflicted at our owners
I can't speak for everyone but personally, it would hurt me a lot.
I’d be sad, but it’s certainly not his fault. So no hard feelings against Thomas.
No hard feelings and it's definitely not his fault. It's just a dagger to the heart, that's all.
I definitely agree. I was sad when he left, and especially the way it happened, so I can’t blame him but I wish he was our manager still lol. I’m excited for Poch tho
After Mourinho and Conte going to Spurs and Utd I wouldn't really get upset tbh. It would be disappointing sure.
At least you can rest easy that if he went to United, they would still be where the are now. It'll be a few years before the new ownership clears out the rot
I mean you guys do have Poch right now, Spurs best manager of the last 30 years or so.
We are very used to ex-Chelsea players and managers going to competitors so no big deal really
The lack of loyalty has to hurt eventually.
Why would a manager be loyal to Chelsea. They burn through managers like rizlas. Tbh loyalty probably isn't as much of a thing in football these days anyway. It's a cut throat business and money is all that matters.
No the opposite, it hurts less each time
It's not a matter of lack of loyalty, we are just used to high turnover.
His sacking was unjustified, and the smear campaign the new board led against him was just awful to see. He was the best Chelsea manager I'd seen since Mourinho and all the players loved him, even when results were bad. He was so well-spoken in interviews and the way he handled the sale of the club in the media was highly professional. I would have no ill will if he joined United, and honestly I really hope he'd be successful too, but that club has been a graveyard for successful managers.
Carlo was better imo. I rank Tommy slightly ahead of Conte but I wish Carlo would come back. If you think Tuchel's sacking was unjustified, Carlo's sacking was infinitely worse. Tuchel doesn't wasn't loved by all players. I think players were neutral towards him. He doesn't rally people like Klopp and man management is definitely his biggest weakness. He also has a pissy/blunt personality with the board. If he comes back, we definitely need an ex-player (preferably Lamps) to facilitate communication like we did with Cech.
>I think players were neutral towards him. He likes to ask how your family are, how you're doing. It's small things like that [which] help you feel comfortable" -Bettinelli Thomas when he arrived, he gave me the confidence, the trust, he believed in myself that I'd be really useful for a team in a back three on the right. I felt a strong connection, everybody in the group, everybody was involved. - Azpi Sources close to Chelsea noted Tuchel's strong communication skills with players and light tone; to assimilate with the playing squad, Tuchel regularly organized external team outings and activities, including cooking them pretzels. -Articles linked in Wikipedia
Carlo’s was definitely the most cold-blooded. Back when Roman was obsessed with winning the Champions League.
That's just not true that all the players loved him - clearly fell out with Lukaku, Werner was sold because they fell out and Pulisic's dad liked a tweet that said that Tuchel's tactics smother Chelsea attackers.
Lukaku is a basket case that burns bridges at every club he goes to. Werner was dropped, but never once spoke ill about Tuchel in the media. Hell he was the one who started the UCL final. Pulisic's dad, Thiago Silva's wife, Messi's dad, Ronaldo's sister and Neymar's dad are all cut from the same cloth. Pulisic himself never came out and said Tuchel was being unfair. You didn't mention Ziyech, who is the biggest example of getting the cold shoulder. Tuchel barely even subbed him on and he still didn't complain about it.
Alonso is really the only one he fell out with imo.
With resigned sadness. Though I really hope our braindead board pulls the head out of their ass and begs him to return.
Hasn't Chelsea been performing much better lately?
We played well in the last few games, yes
Nono but no manager must remain for more than 12 months.
Against mediocre opposition
I would be fine, as opposed to a lot of people in our fanbase that want the owners to beg on their knees for him to be back. There is a reason why even Bayern fans wanted him sacked and aren't really thrilled with him (right now he is just the best of the worst). For context, with us from November '21 until his sacking in early September '22 we didn't have 2 consecutive wins in the league besides a small purple patch of 5 games in February/March. The performances were getting worse, and by the end we were well beaten by Southampton and Leeds who were both relegated, Zagreb beat us in the Champions League, and once we went behind in those games, we didn't create any threat. Then we barely beat West Ham with a last minute goal (and their fans will say that we were lucky not to lose because of the goal that was cancelled for a very soft foul on Mendy) and Lampard's Everton with a plucky penalty. We genuinely looked out of ideas and really bad. The only good game was against Tottenham, which we should have won. He is good, but our fans overrate him due to the CL win, for some he is like the second coming of Christ, but it seems that due to the fact of how shit the rest of the last season was, they have erased from their memories how bad we looked under Tuchel for quite a while before his sacking.
And now you're going to wind up with an inexperienced development coach or a gamble on someone like Mou.
He's great at organising a defensive side and making a team good at phases of transition, but we looked clueless in possession. I still maintain though that with a different set of forwards (not Ziyech havertz mount) we would have been more threatening. Who knows how he'd do with our current squad though
Chelsea fan, don’t really mind. Great cup manager, poor league manager and even worse signings. In the right setup his a world class manager but that is not Man United.
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Understandeable, he was sacked for no reason, it's not his moral obligation to not go to United now. They are a big club and it would be cool for him to do this (I wish them to always finish a place behind us, hehe.)
It would fucking hurt. First Mou, then Conte and now Tuchel. Won't blame him for taking the job.
He's an amazing manager but I can't see him being too successful at United. As a role it's a PR nightmare, plus he can be quite abrasive with players, so definitely something the mercenaries won't enjoy too much. Would be sad to see him go there but Mourinhos an even bigger legend and it still didnt tarnish his reputation
I love him, but the club sacked him, he didn't want to leave. Would love him to come back, but if Poch isn't going, can't blame him for going to United.
Maybe also a reason why he failed in Germany. He compared everything and everyone to the Premier League and was lusting over PL players all the time. Really reminded me of THAT annoying exhchange student back from abroad.
Haven't all the prem players he wanted turned out to be a success? Kane, Dier and (although he didn't get him) Rice?
Honestly, part of me we take him as England manager for the World Cup stint as a wildcard. Southgate’s leaving, there’s no real obvious candidate, and Tuchel has pedigree in cup competitions, so if he were up for it, I’d be down.
Winning the world cup with a German in charge would cause a Gammon Paradox too powerful to contain. The cognitive dissonance would be enough to wipe Kent off the map completely
Be wonderful though. They’d all explode and we can rejoin EU
Brexin innit
Hey! I resent that comment, even we've started throwing out the Tories!
You say wiping Kent off the map like it's a bad thing!
Hey it’s not like you guys haven’t tried winning it with an Italian in charge
The FA would never take him. They want a politician who does/says the right things as much as they want a competent coach. The England manager is seen as an ambassador of English sport to them
I don't know who the current head directors & such at the FA are but presumably, they are the same people who joined at the same time as Gareth. If that is the case their cycle is probably at an end anyway. If restructured correctly there is potential for a more success-driven FA rather than the current Progressive PR-driven stuff
And someone up there decided Sam Allardyce was suitable for that role apparently. He'd just about manage as an ambassador for Fray Bentos.
I think it was a more recent decision. They don't even think they had this sort of role in mind for Hodgson
While I will give him credit for Dier, even my dog could have seen Kane and Rice being successful on a different team.
Credits to the Dier move. Kane and Rice were already worldclass, so not really a surprise.
He also came up against an unbeaten Bayer, which doesn't happen that often
IG Farben, Tuchel's style of football and the lack of success wasn't the problem. He just wasn't a good fit.
IG Farben lmao
Agreed with you on that
i always hear his personality is difficult to work with, is that so?
I'm not sure OP has worked directly with Tuchel to say
I mean it's pretty common in the PL for managers to complain that things aren't as good/well-organised here as they are in X country, particularly around fixture congestion, officiating, media and so on.
He’s two matches away from very much not failing
In the champions league ya but hes already failed massively in the league and cup with terrible ppg and at points horrendous football
Ya also remember him saying he felt less pressure and more appreciated in england than in Germany
You guys saying he’s a failure are honestly insane to me. He’s second behind a Leverkusen team who are on the cusp of having one of the greatest seasons in football history and they’re one game away from a Champions League final. Bayern definitely lost a few too many games versus wins but no shame in that season at all. All in his first season. If he went trophyless for 3, maybe even two seasons, then you can call it a failure for a club like Bayern but to say Tuchel Is the failure is disrespectful to teams like Leverkusen, Stuttgart and Dortmund who are all only like 8 points apart. It just goes to show how competitive Bundesliga has been this season and how incredible Leverkusen have been.
Everything is bigger in MUR(the prem)ICA
The year is 2050. Thomas Tuchel has won a total of 10 CLs - 5 with Chelsea, 5 with Bayern. Never more than one per stint, no stint longer than two years. He also hasn't won a single domestic title in either league.
Bayern have won 21 out of the past 26 bundesligas too
I want Tucheliban to go to United and Mourinho back at Chelsea
Come home Thomas!!!
Welcome to United
Swap tuchel with Poch
Feels like Tuchel and Thiago Silva love Chelsea the most eventhough they spent a short period with us and have successful journey with other teams as well. The 2021 UCL winning team is a wholesome memory to us. Everyone loves the club and the fans really appreciate the squad.
Genuine question to Bayern and Chelsea fans: positive or negative? Tuchel is overwhelmingly seen as a negative appointment by the reddevils sub, so I'm curious to see your opinions. I myself am supportive of him if he comes, I recognise he's got a way better CV than ETH, unlike some on our sub.
Will certainly do better in the CL, he knows how to set up a decisive match. He outmanaged Arteta in the quarters
Well he might have no europe at all lmao so thats not great
What CL?
I’m sure they’ll get there at some point, don’t know if Tuchel will be at the wheel
2027
the guy who brought PSG to CL final and then haunting Pep’s mind for months before beat him to win CL? Chelsea fans literally put him on the same bracket with Jose and probably even higher than Carlo
He's my number 1 choice - The united job, with all due respect, is like no other. You need extremely thick skin and an elite mindset. That's why even though the football wasnt great and it turned sour, Jose has been the most successful since SAF left.
tbh i don’t think it’s just thick skin, you need an insane bastard immune to breaking
Tuchel has a good and charismatic personality but thick skin isn't exactly the first thing that comes to mind with him.
Tuchel's CL Chelsea team was the undoubtedly the best team in Europe if that says anything. Note: recognising that Madrid weren't at 100% that season, but they were still totally outmatched
Even the next season they managed to go toe to toe with Madrid, playing Loftus Cheek and Alonso as wingbacks.
Almost pulled off a comeback at the Bernabeu if I remember correctly. Luka Modric decided otherwise.
Alonso scored a goal, ruled out for a handball. And then Modric happened
You're missing a Werner goal in between.
If Alonso didn't control the ball with his hand, the goal wouldn't have been disallowed 😭
Chelsea got refballed and the rest is history
That Rodrygo goal still lives in my nightmares, we played an amazing match for like 80 minutes then Modric had other ideas
It took Chalobah until to mentally recovered from his mistakes from that match-up.
Where else would alonso play? He’s a wing back.
That reddevil sub’s delusion level is nearing flat earth levels.
The amount of times I have seen people on r/reddevils question Tuchels “pedigree” and say he has “no tactics”, while dying on the ETH hill as if he’s the one who reached multiple CL finals and is a tactical genius who just concedes 20+ shots per game because of injuries and shit players (who either he signed or did completely fine under Ole & ETH last season) is simply insane. Genuinely feels like astroturfing at this point.
Casual reminder to every football fan, Tuchel has only 1 lost against Real Madrid in 9 games with 3 wins and 5 draws. Man knows how to be a tactician.
Tuchel can be criticised for a lot of things but tactics aint one of them. He rarely loses tactical battles even against the best of the coaches.
It absolutely boils my blood seeing the 'but who could the club bring in that's better than EtH??' takes in the sub, as if EtH hasn't been out-managed by nearly every other manager in the league and others across Europe at this point. We all know there's a really good manager in him because he's done it elsewhere, but a year-plus of bad results with this team, that he has built, far outweighs what he did with an awesome Ajax team five years ago in the CL in my mind.
I was literally banned on reddevils for using the words "ETH stans".
It takes you a lot to get banned, so I know for a fact you’re lying
Yeah I said some pretty foul things (much worse than “stans”) during the takeover process and the mods only slapped me with a 7 day ban and then jokingly went back and forth with me over PM for a bit. So this seems unlikely lol
https://imgur.com/a/8Y7fLfQ
Oh wow. Yeah you weren’t kidding
https://imgur.com/a/8Y7fLfQ And this was the comment that got me banned the first time round, you be the judge https://imgur.com/a/OWOVTgG
Oh wow, we have a martyr. Diddums.
>Tuchel is overwhelmingly seen as a negative appointment by the reddevils sub Pogba was right about United fans
And they were right about Pogba, ironically.
I’m sorry but online fans are a poor representation of any clubs fans. Our home fans are rare to turn on players (although it’s become a bit more of an occurrence in recent years)
Here’s my 2 cents: his BVB side played great attacking football, his PSG made players shine (Neymar under him was a beast), and his Chelsea had defensive masterclass. It didn’t work at Bayern not only because of his tactics, but I tend to believe that there was a lot going on behind the scenes that shattered the team’s morale.
He really strong tactically and seem to be able to adapt well, his record in the cup competition is impeccable Alot people say a downside of him is that he never stay in a club for long but like none of the club he work for tend to have manager stay for a long time Dortmund hasn't got a manager stay longer than 2 years since Klopp Both Chelsea and PSG are meat grinder for coaches The last time Bayern got a coach for longer than 2 years was Pep Alot of his old job tend to have quick turnover interm of manager If people say ten hag is better than tuchel or that we shouldn't be bother to at least try to get him then they are delusional and im not even a ten hag out guy
Would love him back at Chelsea
/r/reddevils is a loony bin full of idiots who think Newcastle playing tough negotiators re Ashworth is them being insecure and petty. I wouldn't take them seriously at all.
Because most people in our sub also thought Pellistri and DVDB are the answers
Depends on what you want. He might bring some success in the short-term, but I don't think it works out in the long run, which is why I don't want him back at Chelsea. Thank you for the CL, but he is overrated by our fans. Besides a purple patch of 5 wins in a row in February/March '22, since November '21 until his sacking next September he didn't string 2 wins in a row in the league. And we played worse by the end of his time here. He fell out with Lukaku (admittedly not the easiest character to work with), Werner and Pulisic as far as I know, and we were playing worse and worse. We played Tottenham and all the relegated teams and relegation candidates at the beginning of last season under him, and the only game we looked good was Tottenham, the rest either was lucky wins or losses where we didn't create anything. It was hard to watch. Also we lost to Zagreb in the CL, and we didn't create anything in that game. While we won the CL, we must admit that Pep overthought it in the final by not playing a DM (Rodri and Fernandinho were famously on the bench). Who knows how it had gone with either of those two in the team. But in 21/22 in games against City Pep clearly had the upper hand, because we weren't in the games at all, we didn't create anything. He is good, and very likely better ETH, don't think you would have such heavy beatings with him in charge (although Leeds stuffed as 3-0 and Brentford did a 4-1, while West Brom beat us 5-2 at the Bridge with him in charge), but he isn't the one for the long term, and he has a weak talent ID.
no one at chelsea wanted tuchel, he came in dragged us from 9th to 4th, an fa cup final and a ucl positive.
Bro really wants that United job, huh?
We loved you too 😭
Why is everyone saying he wants United if, Chelsea are in a better position, have more money to spend, and understand he's a club legend now and not to undermine his authority?
Because the new Chelsea owners are the ones who sacked him. I think most people doubt they’d swallow their pride like that.
You know what. I’d rather him than Ten Hag at this point. Bring on Tuchel ball
he's in talks with United, isn't he?
Christ I hope so.
His obsession with the Prem always felt off. I don't know why he joined us, he should've stayed in England. He's not far away from being English football YouTuber levels of obnoxious. Win the CL and get your Prem fix, king!
>I don't know why he joined us It's Bayern...
When did things go wrong for him at Bayern?
Not winning the league, since they always win the league. Though seems unfair imo since bayer leverkusen have been untouchable this year. If he wins UCL, it’s going to look stupid.
playing devil’s avocado here, could be reminiscing about winning the UCL?
Would like to hear what Chelsea fans make of him? apart from the YouTubers who slated him online
I would (happy) cry if he came back
Love him
>the YouTubers who slated him online Happy you aren't considering them. They are nearly never a good representation of a club's fanbase since dramatic content brings more views.
I really love him as a manager but it's a mixed bag, over rated by some and under rated by others. Tuchel did really really well for a bit but also came very unstuck and struggled to get things working again. But it always comes with the huge caveat of the forced sale of the club, sanctions, injuries to key players at crucial moments etc. Does he have the squad to replicate his Chelsea success at United? No way and they don't have anything to show us that they're capable of rebuilding one that will. They don't have the backline to match how good Tuchel's Chelsea were both defensively and building up under pressure, who replaces peak Jorginho & Kante in midfield, Chilwell & James at wingback as well.
Tuchel is a great coach who lacks empathy. He is also very stubborn. This doesn't matter when your team is successful but as soon as you have to manage humans through failure with his attitude its over.
Take him back in a heartbeat over anyone out there currently. Got us a champions league crushing all opponents with a front line of havertz, mount, werner. Dominated Pep over that season when Chelsea played city like 4 times. Had us comfortably finishing top 4 and challenging for the title until we had an injury crisis mid season. Potter couldn't hold a candle to his performance with the same squad within the same season. Even after he was sacked from PSG, his replacement in Poch had a lower ppg for the rest of the season. He's elite and has the personality for big jobs. Even Psg fans knew he was tactically elite and didn't want him sacked. Some Chelsea fans are way too harsh on his time here when you think about where we are now. Utd fans who think they're too good for tuchel are idiots. Let's be honest, they'd be gagging for this appointment before his bayern stint.
"My last information is we have a plane and we can go by plane and come back by plane. If not we go by train, if not by bus, if not I will drive a seven-seater" Love him.
Welcome to United
Welcome to Chelsea!
West Ham's just like Chelsea but with more dog poo
No comment apart from yes
Nice non answer there
No chance he lasts more than 2 seasons with United, if he even lasts that long without falling out with Ratcliffe/Brailsford/Ashworth
The world is not ready for Poch- Tuchel swap, nether are Bayern fans
I can see him doing well at Man Utd
After a full squad rebuild yes
>id rather not answer >OMG, I LOVE THE ENGLISH PREMIER LEAGUE
ManU confirmed
the moment things stop perfectly working for TT, he explodes. Imagine what he would've done with our injury crisis
As a united fan it's madness to not even consider him as an option. Hope INEOS are at least evaluating him
Pep just dropped to his knees in Tesco.
Tuchel 10Hag swap is happening isn't it
Sounds like he may want his hat thrown in for the Utd job
No one since Jose has given me as much joy watching Chelsea as Tuchel did. We cruised through Real Madrid, Man City posed no real threat.
Has anyone a stream link dir CL tonight ?
Fuck it id like him at Liverpool
This man is going to be Man U manager and will be sacked after a season or two tops.
Welcome to Manchester United, Thomas.
what team makes sense for tuchel? man utd would be lucky to have him, but idk if he wants that man u drama in his life. besides that where can he go in the premier league?
god no
He also enjoyed the post match handshakes
So bleeding obvious hes going back to chelsea.
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