They should let the play go on and then determine it via VAR

Linesmen made the error to put his flag up early.

Yes but refs let the play go all the time. Why take the chance in such a high stakes moment as this?

Because the standard procedure is that the lino doesnt raise the flag unless hes absolutely sure and the moment the lino rises the flag referee must blow the wistle

Even then, we’ve all seen blatant ass multiple meter gaps allowed to play on for more than a few seconds. Not sure why he was so quick on this one when it was clearly a close call.

Of all time this is when they remember standard procedure

It's not that the ref "must" blow the whistle. I've seen a couple refs this season let the play continue despite their linesman, but those were just moments of exceptionally good refereeing. The ref will blow 99% of the time because they know they linesman are instructed to delay their flag unless it's obvious.

Actually the referee doesn't have to blow the whistle (although that is definitely the instinctive thing to do). I guess he trusted his linesman.

Yeah i agree “must” is a bit of a strong word as its still just a recommendation and the ref can ignore it but at the highest level its given that the refs trust each other enough to not doubt the call unless its a very blatant mistake

Yes, agreed RE: the highest level. Upon reflection, the linesman misread the game. He played on until Mendy's header. He mistakenly thought the attacking play ended. But the referee wouldn't have known that (probably assumed the linesman flagged because the Bayern player was clearly offside).

Rules change when Real Madrid are involved.

I mean why do we have linesmen at all? We have Goal-line tech and semi-auto offside tech that's most of their job.

Piggybacking this to say it was 90+13’, OP’s time is wrong. 9’ were added, ref gestured for another 2’, and this controversy should hang over the ref’s pathetic soul for all eternity like Filburt’s fortune cookie in Rocko’s Modern Life.

> ref gestured for another 2’, Have you ever seen this? He let the whole arena know. Was refreshing but certainly not usual?

Maybe it wasn't what it meant and it was just a victory sign

Can’t recall seeing it in the past but I also have a terrible memory when it comes to particular moments in sports. I can support the premise; I mean a lot of things need to change and that’d be a positive one. But he really blew it by letting it go on way longer for basically no reason.

Should've let it play on ffs, regardless of if it was on or offside

Crazy to raise that flag. No wonder the Bayern players are pissed.

Shit was this really 90+9’? I felt like it was 90+12’ when it happened. **EDIT**: it was 90+13’, OP’s time is wrong.

He even cropped the time lol

Sad tbh. All the ref’s fault. 11’ was far more than enough.

Ref said he added two minutes on top of the original 9, but he kept the play going for 4 more minutes for no reason

No, ref said 2 more at 9:40 right after Militao got subbed in to clarify because there were lots of interruptions (including the sub) in the added 9. Then there were plenty more interruptions hence the game continued until 14. In that sense, the ref made exactly what they are supposed to do, add time when the winning team just keeps interrupting and elongating interruptions for the clock to go on.

yeah I think it wasn't offside but also play should've been stopped a couple min before this goal even happened.

We spend three minutes in the Var Check alone the time was resonable

Madrid made a sub at 90 +10

2-3 minutes of the stoppage time was used during Real's 2-1 goal

Who knows if Bayern score or not if they play on, but to do this and rob basically the last gasp of a chance is criminal by the refs. Criminal

Fully agree. I feel the ref blew the whistle so early most of our defenders and Lunin stopped playing so who knows if Bayern score if he doesn’t. Makes his error look even worse. It’s an egregious call especially when it’s been commonality to let the play flow because we have VAR.

It's mad considering most of the time they let the play go on even in clear offsides

Least favorable Madrid CL officiating:

Mistake by the linesman and even bigger one by the ref blowing the whistle

The ref just followed his assistant. This is on the linesman.

Exactly. Regardless of the fact, you cannot blow the whistle at that moment in game.

I was a Bayern fan for 90 minutes and felt like I was losing my mind. Idk how you bayern fans do it for a full season.

Yeah those poor, poor Bayern fans.

They are usually on the receiving side of this hahaha Every fan of a Buli club knows this

I have no idea either

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The entitlement is insane

Well, they win 90% of their games so all in all i think they get along.

Rewatched it. The linesman only raises the flag once Mendy heads it away, he let play carry on until the clearing header which I think is what he's supposed to do.

Is it though like its way easier to say this from a freeze frame at 4k, but on pitch level where your job is to raise your flag at full speed play I dont think it is. Its not off but you literally wouldnt know that without pausing the video.

Refs shouldn’t be blowing the whistle before the play ends.

Linesman shouldn't flag until the play ends If the linesman flags then for the ref it's a clear as day offside that's not even controversial and an easy whistle When there's even a chance that it's not offside the linesman should never signal offside before the play ends

Yeah, the linesman should have flagged after

With semi automated offsides, what is the point of linesmen anymore?

at this point mostly for corners and throw ins i'd guess. Fouls too.

for really clear offsides id say. you dont want to wait a minute to do the semi auto check every time a player is like 5m off.

They should automate offsides then make linesmen similar to refs in Ice Hockey where they are free to move about in that half so there is always 2 angles to see what's happening. Main ref still refs, but can confer with linesmen. The linesmen can still signal for corners and stuff straight away and the ref can confirm it or check so ethibg quickly first, if they believe they saw something different. Seems stupid to restrict them to the line, off the pitch, when the main thing they are there for is to look down the line, but now tech has that covered. (At least at elite levels)

Yes, the assistant started the error but at the end of the day its the center ref's responsibility. Either way, not a good look for the crew offside or not

Tbf, he trusts his linesman to make the decision for these. Linesman putting up the flag probably made the ref think it was a clear and obvious offside, since that's protocol. A chain reaction of errors really

How is the ref meant to tell it's a marginal call? He has to trust the linesman.

Never the refs fault. He has to trust his linesmen

Don't think I've ever seen a ref ignore an offside flag raised.

That's literally the point of having VAR. Can't believe this level of incompetence at the highest level

Looks VERY close to me. Criminal that they didn’t let it play on and let VAR look at it.

Exactly, even if it was offside it shouldn’t have been stopped, so that the var could check

The only way he'd be offside will be if they don't consider Rüdiger's arms (which they shouldn't). But not letting play go on was an absolute howler.

His knee is ahead of Rüdiger

Especially when it's the easier thing to do on such a close call... wild.

Indeed. Actually I'm almost 100% certain Mazraoui is NOT offside. I'm a neutral and I'm pissed.

I was sure he wasn't offside but after watching it closely I think the ref might had luck this time. I'm not confident it's not offside. With this pic I'm 80% convinced it's offside but the shirt blurs the shoulder and makes it look less offside. Close, but probably offside. Insane fuckup still and it left all my friends (RM fans) with a really bad taste in their mouth. From joy to "Idk man, this doesn't feel right". It fucked the match for everyone.

It is really head scratcher. I see people blaming linesman, but it is not. Linesman bring the flag up if he sees offside, main ref waits until the play stop… literally like Real Madrid second goal

Except they’re told to keep it down when it’s close which this obviously is

Yeah exactly this. They should keep the flag down until after the play, then raise it. Linesman has fucked it.

Probably only a few inches at play here or less

Honestly with the 3d lines and shit it's still probably off by a butt hair, but it's insane to whistle there. They wanted to go home quickly.

Yeah, it looks off to me from this angle

Also hard to tell if this would be the frame they choose as the incident of contact on the ball 

Actually looks offside with his knee but very hard to tell from that angle. We‘ll have to wait for a better picture in the analysis

I also think it's an offside. But the ref fuck up here, should have lets the play continue.

Yeah I'm not surprised everyone is outraged but it really looks offside to me. A mistake from the ref nonetheless. Of course, the takeaway for most people will be that Madrid paid the refs. Edit: also, I don't think we should be looking at Muller here, the other Bayern players were contesting for the ball regardless of Muller

Who the fuck is looking at Muller?

They think Mazraoui is Müller

It think some people mentioned him but maybe I just got confused in the madness in the comments. It's true anyways haha.

Not surprised that most of r/soccer pivots to “how do they keep getting away with this”  Thats a genuine fuck up from the lino and ref

i don't think that you have paid the refs but the amount of black magic you have on your side is definitely unmatched! and obviously the aura that you have at this point probably forces opponents to lose their heads against you

the twitter merchants will pull out the wings3d and blender to create offside lines like no one ever seen before

People saying the arm is playing him onside is hilarious

99% of the time this is played on Weirdly enough this was the 1%

Weirdly enough, Real always are on the end of the 1%, curious

True. That 1% where Real scored on LaLiga the winner and ref ended 1 sec before was in.

Real Madrid literally had this happen to them a couple of months ago. You just see what you want to see.

Worse imo

Right? Forget about the fact that this has literally happened twice *to* RM this season in La Liga. But I must remain a brainless moron so I'm gonna ignore that.

Madrid literally got a winner chalked off and bellingham banned for 2 games because ref blew the whistle right before Bellingham’s header earlier this season

And that call was worse because that ref blew AFTER Bellingham struck the ball. The ball was in mid air when he blew and he still ruled that off. Stupid people are just easily swayed by the narrative.

It doesn't fit their narrative, my son.

2 game ban for scoring a disallowed goal is harsh.

2 game ban for saying “its a fucking goal” to the ref

🧂 

Linesman should not have raised the flag there.

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I don't think they did, Mendy got the header, and in linesman interpretation, it became a different play, so that's why he flagged it. The play in which it was offside was completed, and he flagged it at that point.

Terrible call but let’s be honest the goalie stopped playing

Yeah whistle shouldn’t have been blown

Under the old rules sure go ahead and ~~blow the whistle~~ raise the flag, but with VAR you have to let close calls play out so they can be checked later

I think the ref thought that it wasn’t a close call because the linesman immediately raised his flag. Linesman should keep his flag down until play is over if it’s not a clear offside imo.

Yeah I should clarify it’s not on the head ref, but on the linesman raising the flag to cause him to blow the whistle

That’s why it was such a bad call though, why is he blowing play dead

Problem is how the call stopped us from seeing how it would have turned out. You‘re not wrong at all but Bayern still have every right to be pissed

I think even the defender kinda half-assed it there, hearing the call does things to your brain before you even fully compute it consciously. But yeah, keeper definitely did stop playing. And while I'm not sure that it wasn't offside, it's a terrible idea to just call it when you have the technology to bring it back

Yep, they say play to the whistle. The whistle comes, you can stop playing.

Yeah, but many don't if we're being honest which is a shame. Here though I was talking about that weird point between hearing it and your body kind of calming down, reacting to the whistle and your head consciously realizing the call was made and you actually stop playing fully. Not sure if that's just me, but I know that feeling from both football and a couple other things where you're so in the moment, you take a bit longer to really process things but your intuition and reflexes do so before you think lmao Anyway, doesn't matter if the defender did or didn't switch off, the goalie clearly did and they couldn't have brought it back for VAR. I would love to know if it was offside though.

It looked really close. My view is that once the linesman incorrectly raised the flag early, it's going to end up being unfair to one of the teams, so you might as well blow the whistle then.

Yeah, everyone kind of stopped as the ref blew it except for Bayern players

Exactly, how is this a “robbery”? Sure it might have gone in if the play had continued. But it also might not have.

Most of real did. People are gonna run with the agenda that the goalscorer was onside tho

i think the point was that the play proved there was a significant chance at goal, regardless of whether real stopped playing. If the whistle wasn't blown, would've it still been a goal? Maybe not, or even *probably* not. The point is there was definitely a significant chance at goal that was robbed from them because of an early flag.

> The point is there was definitely a significant chance at goal that was robbed That's correct, but it's also a significantly different claim to what this sub's hivemind is crying up to the skies just about now. A goal chance (a potential one at that, we'll never know for sure since the play was stopped before the shot) is very different from a goal. Bayern were not robbed of **A GOAL**. Anyone claiming otherwise is categorically incorrect.

Thank you. You can literally see Lunin instinctively drop his guard, as he’s learned through decades of football. Whistle = play is off. How can anyone say this is a sure goal?

I think linesman fucked up big time too, should hsve let it play if it was that close I don't know what the linesman was thinking. Hoping for his sake after more scrutiny it's actually offside when people draw their lines si they owe him an apology and call him a God or whatever

I think he put the flag up cause Mendy won the header. If Bayern still had the ball he probably keeps it down

The point is that the whistle should never be blown in that situation, because as soon as you do everything that happens afterwards is irrelevant. You should let the situation play out and signal for offside after it is over. Then VAR can do its job. They refereed this as if it was 20 years ago.

Militao too

Think many people are missing that. It’s 100% a fucked call and he was onside but the ref blew the whistle so early numerous players including the keeper were giving up on the play.

still took away a probable shot on goal

You’re totally correct. It was a completely botched call

Yeah, and I guess the lino just now sits on his locker room knowing that he really fucked up.

That's correct. You were robbed of a potential goal chance, but you were not robbed of a goal. HUGE difference there. It was still a horrible call by the referee, not even us Madrid fans can deny that.

ye this 100%. I don't think the linesman is supposed to flag there. It is honestly unfortunate for both teams. Bayern feel robbed and this also makes Madrid's victory a little more bitter even though they were the better team.

It could've still been a goal.

Also couldn’t. That’s the point. Linesman fucked the call. But it would’ve been 50/50

Shouldn’t have stopped play. That shot would’ve been tough to stop even if he was playing.

The defenders also stopped playing though. Much harder to get that shot off if we were actually playing.

It was blown dead as it was being headed to De Ligt. I don’t think anyone was defending that one. Both things can be true though: bad call/bayern got screwed and Bayern deserved to lose anyways.

Does stop playing but was a such a clean strike that I couldn't see him saving it.

Yeah the comments are blowing my mind, acting like it was a sure goal when Lunin literally stopped completely and didn't even try going for the ball. The call was bad but please stop acting like it was a sure goal.

nobody knows if that goes in if ref doesn't blow the whistle but in what fucking world do you ever blow the whistle there. It doesn't make sense.

True, but that doesn't mean he would have saved it. I also think the defenders stopped, or slowed down after the whistle, so there is a high chance the shot wouldn't have reached the goalie to begin with. Anyway, terrible call.

But imagine if he whistle while Rudiger was onside on second goal.

People really are trying to say that weak shot with no one in Real playing was going in. Come on.

Bro was NOT saving that

I mean the defenders also stopped playing and let go an easy headset pass that would've been intercepted

seems offside to me no ?

Linesman is a prat

Hard to say

Too low quality but he looked offside

Probably doesn't result in the ball going in without the whistle, but that's way too eager from the linesman. Who's it hurting to wait a few seconds more?

That’s super close can’t believe they called the offsides and didn’t let this play out and just checked VAR later

I'm not going to act like I think it's definitely on or off, but the linesman has fucked it there, really really badly. Tuchel will explode in his interview, he's got nothing else to lose and he's sacked already.

Absolutely shocking decision that, what are the ref/ linesman doing

Oof

Assistant raised the flag and ref whistled.

So yeah he blew the whistle, but the crazy thing is that refs rarely do this until a. the play ends in a goal, b. ends in a miss, c. the ball is cleared. Then it's just up to the VAR.

[Is this flag raised?](https://i.imgur.com/EzXewHb.png)

He looks ever so slightly off, but that is an insane call to whistle it dead instead of letting the play finish.

To be brutally honest when the ball went in the game was already stopped, people are not taking that into consideration.

People are. But people are pissed that the linesman immediately threw the flag up and didn’t let the play continue.

Regardless of if it was offside or not, it's completely inexcusable to raise the flag there. How can someone justify that?

Probably offside on the angle, I pray the lines show it to be off so people won’t pretend that it was a certain goal even though all of the Madrid players stopped

im upset about it but i was more upset since the 70th minute why did tuchel think it was a good idea to play moting instead of kane

Luckily for the ref, it is an offside. Narrowly. Blowing the whistle is still dumb as fuck

~~Yep, offside.~~ Actually only De Ligt looks obviously offisde. Regardless, ref should have let the play go on and let VAR rule it out if it was goal.

De Ligt looks off, Muller looks on. Hard to say though, but that's what playing on and VAR are for in these close situations.

I think they are both off but Mueller looks really tight. It’s hard to tell if his knee is past Rudiger’s shoulder or not. But maybe you could make a case that De Ligt was interfering with play? Kind of a stretch though.

De ligt is off, but he isn’t the one the ball ends up towards, so I’m not sure

Why didn’t he keep his flag down? Why is he in rush unless he wanted to leave early to collect his bonus 💰

Black magic strikes again

I think it’s offside, but you have to finish the play. Horrible call.

It's clear offside atleast from looking at that picture

it’s not De Ligt (who is offside) that plays the ball but Mazraoui, who is behind him and is *potentially* onside… this is exactly when you want VAR/offsides tech to look at it, utter insanity to flag early and whistle the play dead

"best" referee in the world

normally the flag is going up after the action, but the linesmen put it up instantly, so the ref thought it's a clear offside. the linesmen did the error.

The linesman hung him out to dry there. No reason with VAR to put the flag up on something that's close.

Well he still is. Just goes to show that even the absolute best will make a mistake or two

He was good I thought he could have shown a couple yellows but generally decent overall.

He was immense tonight though. Obviously you didnt watch the match.

It's on the linesman you dounce.

It's more on his assistant for flagging such a close call immediately

You know the assistant flagged yeah?

Just had to have some controversial play for Madrid. It’s not blown on the other end at a similar angel Edit: all the whiny Madrid fans chill. It is an every year thing yall know everyone does just accept it. Second I don’t really care I fucking hate Bayern so I’m glad they lost. It was just a great game that of course now has a little taint because of a wrong refereeing decision. It’s in the rule book. Let the play, play out.

Wasn't blown because of the timing. Ref did raise his flag on other end as well.

Hahaha, great end to the match, i love when the referee does these, made it all the more entertaining. We totally should always have these kind of fucked up mistakes for every big match.

It is offside probably, but he should have played it on and then decided. Very likely if he hadnt blown the whistle it wouldnt even be a goal so he wouldnt be in this mess

Even if it were offside, stopping play when it's that tight is an atrocious decision

Linesman was desperate to raise his flag

He's slightly offside, but the whistle stopped the play.

Looks offside to me. Bayern player's head is ahaed of defender's shoulder. Still should have let the game play and then decide it.

Im tired boss

I feel so bad for Bayern Munich and especially for their fans.

To begin, it was 90+13. That's an offside.

They fucked up by making all those subs last minute as if they had already won

The play was already stopped before the Bayern player even received the ball, is just that Bayern continued the play because they either did not hear the whistle or ignored It.

Should have let the play go on. But for real though, Mazraoui's knee is a good few inches ahead of Rudiger. Linesman made the correct call, just that he got excited and forgot you're not supposed to raise the flag anymore, poor guy.

Getting some flashbacks here

he's on?

1. Doesn't look off to me 2. Ref should have held the whistle longer anyway 3. Game probably should have been over before here anyway Brutal stuff for Bayern all around.

That looks offside to me

Real Madrid remains the eternal leader of Europe

Lol way to crop the time OP. It was +13 not +9 but you don’t want to talk about that.

when saying real would have a lot less ucl's if VAR existed you would think they wouldnt win because of such incompetence again, but here we are, real truly are shameless

What does the line refs mistake have to do with Real?

Amazing how we can all look at a picture, being asked, “Is #40 offside?” And literally no one can agree on the right answer. Humans are funny.

Both his leg and head are offside.

This makes it look offside. Still bad call from the ref to whistle here.

Head counts, arm doesn’t. Simple as