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Every club wants a manager


PharaohOfWhitestone

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Daddy-Heisenberg

Yeah but did you take Woking from the conference to the Champions League in six seasons?


TheOneTheOnlySpoon

Stuff like that doesn't go unnoticed


The_Great_Hambriento

Pep: "Football? Completed it mate."


PharaohOfWhitestone

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jedifolklore

How did you accomplish this wizardry? The best I’ve done was take a relegation Atalanta to back to back champions leagues titles in the span of three years, with the help of a monster Korean Zlatan from my academy, after Milan sacked me for, *checks notes* failing to have less than 5 youth players in my first team. Btw I was second 1 point off Juve..


blockfighter1

Only way I can think of is winning the champions league in one season and also being relegated from Premier league the same season. You'd qualify for next seasons champions league as winners but you'd be playing in the Championship. Maybe there's another way I'm not thinking of?


Jano002

National cup winner -> europa league winner -> CL


JeMoX

maybe they won the FA cup in league two, Europa League in league one, and CL in the championship


PharaohOfWhitestone

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Bright-Dust-7552

This is such an absurdly hard thing to pull off. Even winning the fa cup whilst in league two is bonkers. I've played a lot of FM and never ever managed anything like that


SoWhatNoZitiNow

Think he’s talking about the FIFA career mode part of his comment where it’s understandably much much easier to do haha


Mr_MasterNoob

That is mental lad maybe they should bring you in after all


The_Pig_Man_

Win League 2 and FA Cup. Win League 1 and Europa League. Win Championship and CL.


HodgyBeatsss

Scumsaving


Haze95

How'd you cope with the resulting avalanche of pussy?


bostero2

And it’s Kieran McKenna of all people… as an Ipswich fan I kindly say to all of these clubs: Fuck off!


cGilday

As a United fan I hope you keep him, let him cut his teeth and try keep you lot up next season


ThreesKompany

Chelsea get Ten Hag, United get Poch? What’s a little manager swinging between clubs?


jacktk_

Fantastic timing to release this the day before the FA Cup Final. The football news circus has never been so alive. 


hipcheck23

They certainly learned a lesson from Bayern. Hang on... checking notes... Okay, correction: it seems they may, in fact, NOT have learned a lesson.


StickYaInTheRizzla

Tbf, we did this to a Dutch manager before a fa cup final, versus a team with a prick of a manager, and we won that game.


DarnellLaqavius

Something tells me Pep's City might be a teeny bit harder of a game than Pardew's Palace.


apparex1234

I would pay 2 month's salary to watch Pep dance like that on the touchline


tarakian-grunt

would you settle for a self head-pat while falling to his knees?


zacsafus

Only if he was rubbing his tummy whilst patting his head.


WorthPlease

Sir that's impossible


lucashoodfromthehood

Nah. Palace was set to win until Pardew cursed himself with that dance.


DarnellLaqavius

Best dance in FA cup final history though


travisca

I think that dance pissed off the players cause we were dog shit before that. Then Jesse went full Lingardinho.


BillehBear

They learned from spurs at least? Sack AFTER the final? And not before?


Combat_Wombat1977

They wanted to end Seven Hag Era with a win.


Gerf93

The single was in danger


Masson011

reminds me more of Spurs sacking Mourinho before their league cup final but this is worse as its the day before


AvaragePole

Its probably coming from Chelsea tbf looking at name and connections of author.


blauerblumentopf

Well depends on how you look at it. If you want to read your name all over you need to do something, "all publicity is good publicity"


DaveShadow

Given it's not coming from the usual briefing sources, this feels like it's not really United announcing or leaking this, but someone else. Realistically, if the decision was made, we didn't have the luxury of waiting to start interviewing (when other big clubs are too) and once that started, it was always going to leak from somewhere.


-RadThibodeaux

It's definitely not from the club, why would they want this coming out the day before a cup final. It's probably just impossible to hire a new manager these days in complete secrecy, I'm sure someone from McKenna's camp tells the press or tells other clubs who he's negotiating with and then its too late.


jacktk_

Fully agree it’s likely not a brief from United. But it’s undeniably awful timing nonetheless from the Guardian. 


DaveShadow

It's not great, but they aren't under any obligation to be kind or respectful to Ten Hag. It's a story that will get a tonne of engagement the day that's in it :/


KneeDeepInTheDead

Why would they care about United though?


concretepigeon

Didn’t they sack their last Dutch manager straight after winning it?


MagyarFoci29

Yeah. Also, LVG finished 5th and only missed top 4 by goal differential vs City.


Azer398

That was back when the club and fans still expected titles or at least challenges.


axeunleashed

Steinberg is not a United reporter. Jamie Jackson is the Man Utd reporter on Guardian. The club hasn't leaked or released it.


jacktk_

Wasn’t necessarily talking about United themselves. Just mean in general there isn’t a worse time for this report to come out. 


axeunleashed

Ah I thought you meant United had released this. My bad.


HeftyRecommendation5

Isn’t that the sole reason for this report to come out now?


OGSachin

Jamie Jackson is awful.


JinxLB

Inverted manager bounce


ArmiinTamzarian

Mou is having some serious deja vu


untradablecrespo

mourinho was sacked before the final for spurs if that's what you're referring to which is pretty different


trenbollocks

Think he's referring to Van Gaal getting sacked immediately after winning the FA Cup with Mourinho already decided as his replacement


Unban_Ice

What the fuck is going on today?


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Anci3ntMarin3r

Sainz to United


Away_Associate4589

Xabi Alonso 😒🫸 Fernando Alonso 😃👉


PenisManNumberOne

Marcos Alonso 🥃🚗💀


unmotivatedsuperhero

Obligatory 'Stop inventing'


ThatAdamsGuy

Penalty to Ocon


wonderfulworld2024

Sillier every passing year. I don’t believe a word of what is written and honestly don’t care. I’ll read the article when the act finally happens, whether a hiring, firing or transfer.


DataStr3ss

r/soccer would like to call it a cinema r/soccercirclejerk would like to call it hilarious But, in Manchester United, this is a regular Friday


gooneruk

Absolute scenes when it's Ryan Mason leading out United at Wembley tomorrow.


Le_Ratman99

It would be Steve McLaren in this instance


DarnellLaqavius

He's never lost at Wembley in a crucial fixture has he?


carrotincognito48

Scott Carson’s on the other team this time.


ItsJigsore

I know which one you meant, but it's 10 years to the day since the Zamora goal in the playoff final


Luke92612_

Hands off! Ryan Mason is OURS!


Zwaylol

Where is Michael Carrick when you need him


joelintoninasda

All possible scenarios converging at once, cuts to Pardew dancing on the touchline after Gundogan puts city up after 13 seconds


doubleoeck1234

Yeah maybe hold off a day lads


Mechant247

This is what happened to Van Gaal as well lol, his family got news of it during the fa cup final lol


Hurball

From what I understand that was Mourinhos camp leaking it to the media


Sigh_Bapanaada

You mean to say that Mourinho made something all about him....? Well, now I've seen everything.


[deleted]

The reports also say Ten Hag was told before the Arsenal game. This story isn’t a club leak or something that’s just happened.


mohankohan

Why? Worked wonders for Tottenha-


imarandomdudd

Gave us that great graphic comparing peps to Masons career as a manager tbf


JimPalamo

Hire Rooney you cowards


Papa_Puppa

please, before we do.


commiecat

Moyes' redemption II


bobbieibboe

This would be a dream. Bring in Mr. Potato-Head!


Peaky_Blinders

Tuchel incoming


dragon8811

Tuchel, Poch and McKenna are on the list 🤔


hipcheck23

Hire all 3, cowards!!


ArmiinTamzarian

Fine. You hire Allegri


kit_mitts

Would pay to see one of his tirades directed at Michael Oliver


wurtin

They will, eventually. It may take a few years to cycle through all 3.


Mapplestreet

I wanna see some reality TV type selection process where they all camp together and have to compete against each other in various coaching related tasks


PrrrromotionGiven1

No no hire Tuchel. McKenna is, uhhhh, he's inexperienced! Bad fit!


Therinn

Yeah, if this is true I’m pretty sure it’s 100% McKenna. Plays the right type of football, knows the club, boyhood fan, knows most of the players and was well regarded.


hipcheck23

Honestly not looking forward to that. I'd love to see Poch there, though!


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SirBarkington

Tuchel is the reason Mount is injured all the time now he played him to the death. 


codespyder

Ah yes, but he *did* play him


Tomanelle

God, please, I beg, NO!


ParadoxOfMeat

Suddenly Bayern replies with, 'new number who dis?' to Kompany's texts.


RoboticCurrents

[Kompany at Munich airport waiting for Bayern to pick him up](https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Sad-Pablo-Escobar.jpg)


LosTerminators

Vincent Alone


Eroica_Pavane

Surely they can't actually back out now can they?


Etrafeg

Depends if the paperwork is signed I guess.


BanquoRTG

Barca, United, Bayern all with new managers next year. 3 of the worlds biggest clubs all in a mess


k0enf0rNL

Because sacking the players is going to cost them way more and it's often the players attitude thats the problem


ianrdz

Not Barca though, we haven’t had player attitude issues since the Vacas sagradas time. Our issues are tactical and physical issues


quaesimodo

and financial and legal.


AwkwardlylyAwkward

And laporta


RobbinDeBank

*laportal


eescobar863

Well that’s just Laporta in a package. So our issues are him, tactical and fitness


AizenMadara

The issue is that Messi is gone...


Key_Way2390

Wait didn't AC Milan themselves sack pioli


BanquoRTG

yes but I don’t think people consider us to be one of the biggest clubs anymore. Despite past successes we don’t get the same coverage even when we have a poor year that the 3 mentioned do


NilsFanck

Im so incredibly thankful Klopp let the club know early hes going to leave.


Cdux

Honestly forgot about Klopp leaving with the current manager circus going on, Liverpool look very organized compared to the mess of these other top clubs


NilsFanck

Because you need time (ok, time didnt help Bayern but still lol). Klopp gave FSG plenty of time to convince Michael Edwards to come back, who then himself had plenty of time to choose the DoF with whom he again had plenty of time to analyze and choose a manager. Considering Edwards rejected the idea of coming back first. If we were in a rush, they probably would've had to go with the 2nd choice instead of trying again. Now we get to enjoy watching this managerial mess in peace.


F______________F

>ok, time didn't help Bayern Yah having time really only helps if you don't fire 2 managers in 2 years halfway through the season and scare off any manager who wants stability lol


Azraelontheroof

Chelsea as well but that’s sort of a recurring show now


connorg095

Great stuff to leak this before a cup final


BoredIrishBanker

Tbf so far it's non united journos reporting, not to say it isn't true


TheJoshider10

Yeah the current speculation is that this is coming from agents in relation to the Chelsea shortlist stuff because none of our usual briefers are posting anything. Awful timing for us though.


freakedmind

This is a relatively unreliable Tier 3 journo that you guys are eating up btw, ETH is probably gonna get sacked anyway but this guy is trying to get ahead of the curve with such a sensational news. Not like these guys are ever held accountable for leaking out wrong info anyway.


anyelo-cp

This season has been insane with the manager sacking shit


leerooney93

*month


gbiypk

*Week


Fake_artistF1

\*5 days


LosTerminators

Ironically when there aren't many top managers available either.


Riperonis

This season as a whole hasn’t actually been that insane, it’s just most of the sacking has been left till the end of the season


rosstheboss939

The real travesty is missing out on the Bald Dutch Derby next season.


RaisinHider

Not Dutch, but bring in Stone Cold Steve Austin and we keep the baldness alive.


t3hjc

It makes sense to leak it now, it would be a little awkward to sack him in the aftermath of celebrating a cup win.


ExPatSTL

Yeah we'd never do that.....


comicsanddrwho

Especially to a dutch manager? No we couldn't......


FrosTxNoVa420

And they you definitely wouldn’t go for an old Chelsea manager right? Right??


comicsanddrwho

And when that fails, we surely wouldn't hire a legend player with a failed stint in the championship and a small league overseas? We wouldn't right??


James_Vowles

if he they defo want him gone regardless of the result then I suppose so yeah


AngryUncleTony

This is a Chelsea reporter. My guess is he knows who Chelsea interviewed and found out one of them isn't taking the Chelsea job and put it together that he's going to United, since United and Chelsea are going after basically the same candidates.


tson_92

> Hire a Dutch manager > Get top 4 finish first season > Be optimistic > Fail top 4 finish the following season > Get to a FA Cup final > Dutch guy gets sacked regardless of the final result The United Way


Double-Armadillo-898

😂😂 managers get two years max to turn these clubs around huh, insane times we live in rn


wonderfulworld2024

Yup. 15 years of shit admins and a guy has one bad season with loads of injuries and he’s fired. If there’s someone out there who’s better then that’s for the owners to decide but the cookie doesn’t always crumble the way you think it will as has been proven over and over


just_a_random_guy_11

Sir Alex would have been fired in 6 months if he managed today.


a_witty__username

Tbf he was on the brink of getting sacked


Ph4sor

But he get way more time compared to recent managers in United


a_witty__username

My memory is too bad for this so I want to say it was within 3 seasons he had a specific game against Nottingham Forrest which if he lost he would've been sacked Fact check: 1990 cup final against crystal palace 3rd season though he says they assured him he was safe in his autobiography


Never_Sm1le

An European cup can buy a lot more time compare to a Carabao cup


Joystic

I’m normally in favour of giving managers plenty of time to cook, but holy fuck have we been bad. We get outplayed every week and there are no redeeming qualities to see. Can’t say he doesn’t deserve it.


r1char00

It’s wild to me that any Man United fans have been defending him. I think those are mainly the folks who think the problems are all because of the injuries.


StupidSexyGiroud_

I don't know if this is the right or wrong move and as I'm not a United fan I don't particularly care outside of the bants... But holy fuck who's idea was it to make this call now and let it leak just before a FA Cup final


wwiccann

Before the cup final? Why? When has this ever worked out


Crambazzled_Aptycock

The last time we won an FA cup TBF, but it's still shit.


Zandercy42

It leaked immediately after the game finished tbf, not before


From-UoM

Van Gaal : first time?


-Gh0st96-

This is titled as United has made a decision public and official already. But they did not, incredibly baity title


mabbitwarden

Oh weird, someone else actually read the fucking article. I love it when they say “it is understood that…”.


FatWalcott

ETH had a horrible hand to play this season. He had to start fucking Jonny Evans at CB. I just think it's insane that coaches don't get the benefit of the doubt nowadays and get sacked the moment something goes wrong, and they don't get any opportunities to try and right the ship and build a proper foundation. As an Arsenal fan, even Arteta himself could have been sacked multiple times, but the management stuck with him in the bad and we're on an upward trajectory now.


JoeBagadonut

Yeah, for as much we like to clown on United, their injury situation was fucking awful in 23-24. I don't know what ETH was expected to do with the players available to him.


buckledup_fuckleroy

The problem is tactical. He kept playing a system that didn't work at all and we got exposed over and over again. He didn't even try to change things to try to get the best result possible from the players we had available. We were directionless and relied on individual brilliance for all the results we got. We might not have the quality to win the PL but we definitely have enough with even our backups to not get dumpstered 4-0 by Crystal palace


md0986

It’s sad to see as a United fan tbh, I have absolutely no faith with a new manager coming in because as soon as there’s a wobble, we will sack them and continue this stagnant and decrepit cycle of decline.


kanavi36

Nah I don't think injuries can explain the way United have been playing this season, they should have sacked him months ago. Just his talent ID and acquisitions alone have deserved a sacking.


petnarwhal

The fact alone that Ten Hag was basically making these decisions says it all about the state of the club. United is just not run like a modern football club and until they put in a proper structure no manager is going to fix it long term.


md0986

But we have had absolutely no structure working above him, Murtough and Arnold were completely useless. We had no one above Ten Hag to veto his signings and we had no one offering any alternatives. His talent ID isn’t great, but so many managers talent ID isn’t great- that’s why they have specialised football directors/scouts to provide the best transfers for the club.


CurbYourThusiasm

He has no excuses, I don't care how many injuries he had. Playing with a low block, and then having your entire midfield + front 3 press high is so dumb it almost reeks of self sabotage. He did that for the entire season, and failed to address it for a year, even though it's something everyone could see. The midfield was empty every single game. The opposition could just play blind passes into midfield, and then transition. Even amateur team's don't play that way.


Far_Eye6555

He addressed it once, when Arsenal came to Old Trafford and United actually played well… imagine


Legendarybbc15

The season was too far gone at that point.


Upset_Impression218

Yes you are spot on. People bending over backwards to defend him now, I assume to make the (largely correct tbf) point that everything that’s wrong with United is down to United and not at all down to him.


MerlijnZX

I honestly thought that with all the injuries, the integration of youth and the lack of better options available that he would stay.


BuggyYonko

I understand the decision (if its true), but I don't think any manager will succeed with the way Manchester United has been run ever since Ferguson left. I hope for the Man Utd fans that Ratcliffe can fix that, otherwise the next manager won't last that long as well. Ten Hag should go to Germany, I think he will do better there.


Free-Eights

So far, no United journalists seem to be confirming this news. INEOS have kept it very close to the chest as to what they want to do long-term. It's possible that the club may have decided to go in a new direction but I doubt they're going to brief journalists now. Personally, I think it's worth giving ten Hag another year and if it's still bad at the start of next season, then sack him. By then you'd have the new DoF (hopefully), a new technical director, a new CEO, and a team in place with a more developed plan. That being said, I do understand where a lot of the fans complaints are for those who do want him out. The tactics have been suicidal considering many of our available defenders have no comfort playing in this system and our midfield has left chasms for teams to run into.


Various_You_5083

Eras *do* come to an end .


stprm

The fraudest of all balds.


PM_Me_Compliments

He conquered the Klopp and Pochettino era's to be fair to him


nutelamitbutter

Tier?


Dispari7y

3 for us


D1794

Not Tier 1 for us but not a bullshitter, to go in heavily like this would be extremely strange if he's lying


roamning

Being a fan of this club is like running a marathon daily


JiveTurkey688

Correct decision but once again, this just doesn't sit right


jMS_44

Correct decision but leaking it to media a day before the final is not the correct decision


TakeMeToFatmandu

Isn't Steinberg Chelsea's guy? United would use Jackson if The Guardian had got it from the club


StickYaInTheRizzla

Ya it’s not from the club. He’s still fairly reliable though, and I assume he heard this from his connections at Chelsea, with them going for McKenna


InTheMiddleGiroud

Chelsea needing a United loss for EL, and one of 'their' reporters leaking this a day before the final. Expecting a lot of "no decision yet"-damage control from more United-adjecent reporters.


JiveTurkey688

Agreed. LVG all over again


YayaBanana07

It’s not a leak from the club they’ve been trying to keep this quiet, Steinberg is a Chelsea reporter. And with the amount of clubs looking for managers there’s no way United could’ve sit tight and waited till after the final whistle to talk to other managers


DildoFappings

Who was the fucker who decided to leak it to the media one day before the FA Cup final? Get that asshole out of the club first. This is not the right way to go about this. Here we thought that the club would be a bit better run once Jim took over but they're doing shit like leaking this news before an FA Cup game.


thfcviii

Certainly not a guy that is at the United journo team


Bradddtheimpaler

If the leak came from us it would have been Ducker or Ornstein who reported it. They haven’t said shit. It came from Chelsea or some manager’s agent.


HeatKnight

Ten Hag getting done dirty. Not the last Dutch manager to through the Man Utd experience


Snitsie

Lvg literally warned him not to go there


MerlijnZX

What did he say again? United is a company not a football club or something like that.


Legendarybbc15

*commercial club


AReptileHissFunction

How does r/soccer go from, "Ten Hag is a fraud that needs to go" to "he's been done dirty", just because the club are actually looking at contingency plans?


Joystic

Because it’s United. This rewriting history bollocks happens every time, with players and staff.


shewhololslast

It's like there is a race to see which club can depart with their current manager in the most fucked up way.


chewinggum2001

If I had a nickel for every time a Dutch manager was sacked by Man Utd after an FA Cup final, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s strange it’s happened twice.


BMBH66

"your manchester united team, in goal: Lisandro Martinez"


TheLimeyLemmon

Watch him win the FA Cup, shout out Louis van Gall, and then publicly tell the owners to go fuck themselves.


Stuarridge

This sacking will make or brake the trust people have in INEOS i think. Imagine if they hired fuckin Southgate after this


somewhat_moist

Did r/soccercirclejerk and r/footballmemes take over football?


larsriedel

Goldbridge in a shambles


ShinHayato

Joke of a club


blueskyedclouds

Can't wait for them to sack the next manager in two years because they refuse to actually solve the root of the problems.


george_beast_

Not sure if you’ve been under a rock but the new owners have come as close to getting to the root of the issue as they could have possibly done. Glazers are still there but have zero control over football operations