Maybe they would've beat Turkey for third. Maybe even pulled off a shock upset vs Germany in the semis.
But against that Brazil team in the finals? No chance in hell.
Funny enough the semis against Germany was actually one of the best games for Korea at the WC. The refereeing was fine with no controversies, and Germany didn't get a decisive goal until minute 75 - before that Oliver Kahn had an otherworldly save to stop SK from taking the lead.
This doesn't take away from the sham that was the Ro16 and quarters tho obviously, but the semifinal genuinely could have gone either way.
Germany wasn't a great team back then. They had a few great players, but they vastly overperformed.
Kahn and Ballack basically willed Germany into the final. And then they had to play that final without Ballack and they had Kahn get injured in the final.
Four second places that year for them, must be traumatizing (Runner-up Bundesliga, lost DFB Pokal Final, lost UCL Final (to _that_ Zidane goal), lost World Cup final)
Yeah, it was a mediocre team, and honestly they didn't meet any top tier opposition don't heir way to the final. Saudi Arabia, Ireland, Cameroon, Paraguay, US and Sk.
Of those teams it was honestly US that was the best they met, and lord knows that Frings' handball was a penalty.
yeah that irish team was consistently ranked top 10 in the world for a few years and had some solid players(and obviously one legend in roy keane, but he walked out on the tournament)
I imagine lots of countries could have won many trophies if you pick and choose certain players from different eras to play countries still of the same era
I dunno, I think it could work, Kante is pretty good at advancing the ball in ways Makelele didn't really do.
You could do Kante, Makelele, Vieria with Zidane, Platini and Henry above them and probably score plenty of goals.
Van der Sar, Krol, Koeman, Van Dijk, Rijkaard, Neeskens, Van Hanegem, Gullit, Bergkamp, Van Basten, Cruijff.
Van Breukelen, De Boer, Stam, Robben, Seedorf, Davids, Sneijder, Rensenbrink, Haan, Rep, Van Persie, Wilkes and Lenstra on the bench
You know Cruijff and the old boys would be puking themselves trying to keep up with a 2010 team, right? One of Seedorfs legs has more stamina than all of the 1974 elftal combined. They thought long jogs followed by a smoke were good training lol.
I’m guessing we are assuming sports science and match fitness all held constant, but I agree it’s too many of them old timers in the starting 11 and not enough of the 90-00s generation that were amazing too
Edit: just realized that Van Nistelrooy isn’t even on the list 😅
Which we got between 2008-2012. No matter how hard managers have worked since the beginning of the past decade to phase out the number 9 to bring more flexible profiles, they simply cannot do without.
Moreno is so hated that he was invited to referee a 7 a side football match in Italy so the crowd could boo and insult him live. Before that he was invited to a Carnival parade for the same reason.
Some town in Sicily also named the public toilets after him for 10 years... You have no idea.
No way Qatar would even attempt what South Korea did in 2002 (blatant corruption). SK relied on the perception that they have an ok team and are at home. Plausible deniability.
One positive result for Qatar and you know what everyone will be thinking.
I think Qatar will have ''wtf?''-moments more like South Africa in 2010, ie not refereeing corruption necessarily but just things on and off the pitch that makes you go ''what the hell is even going on''
My favs from 2010: Vuvuzelas, all the Jabulani complaints, French NT drama, Suarez handball. SA2010 was a dramatic, chaotic mess from start to finish but damn was it entertaining.
The goddamn Jabulani... still can't believe they played a WC with a glorified beach ball. That thing was an absolute nightmare for the people trying to kick or save it. It was way too light, insanely easy to make knuckle, and didn't bend like a normal ball if you hit it with spin.
SA2010 might just be the worst World Cup in history.
I get that this subreddit skews young and that will be their first memory of a world cup but it was dire.
It’s because a lot of the traditionally strong national teams were in transition/not fully peaking yet, and Spain were like the infinity gauntlet of a team. Everyone that tried to play them had no answers for them and were dragging matches to unwatchable spectacles hoping for a knockout punch
I was 10 at the time, so I very much admit that most of my appreciation for the 2010 WC tournament is derived purely from childhood nostalgia.
Don't be fooled though - Qatar 22 is **already** the worst World Cup and it hasn't even started yet. I'll stand by that purely because The Guardian estimated that over [6 000 workers have died](https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/feb/23/revealed-migrant-worker-deaths-qatar-fifa-world-cup-2022) in the construction process, and that's a **conservative** estimate.
It's going to have absolutely no atmosphere whatsoever, the football is going to be turgid and it's going to be December so we'll all be working/studying/pissed off at winter making everything dark at 3/4pm.
Going to be grim, I'm in no mood for a "festival of football" in a slave state during December.
Qatar are Asian champions, they’re not South Africa tier of bad. It’s highly unlikely but not completely out of the cards that they could make it to r16 as they’ve got a pretty weak group anyways
Pretty weak? They got no glaring weak opposition. I can see them steal one point and that's about it, while whichever team is the one who slips up against them will have an uphill struggle getting out of the group.
They won the 2019 AFC Asian Cup so they're probably going to be better than most people think.
For reference before hosting the World Cup South Korea got 3rd in the 2000 AFC Asian Cup.
People built them up that's why, they couldn't handle losing to a smaller football nation.
They were errors, it's not like the ref made 5 good goals disappear and gave them the winner.
Incompetence is always the most likely reason for a mistake, see Masi and nothing gets to that level of fuck up either.
Ah the old someone disagrees so there trolling argument.
Well I was saying in the same game and no winners were gifted.
Again you act like I'm claiming the ref got it all right, I'm saying the refs fucked up but that it wasn't rigged.
Refs make bad calls, South Korea played well in that tournament and got some luck with those decisions too.
My reaction is the same to any situation where someone calls a game rigged without real proof.
Right not on the concept of disallowed goals, that's false, if the whistle has gone before the shot how is it a real goal, is the ref psychic?
Cos Spain's first, the whistle goes as the header happens, yes it's a soft free kick but refs give them in the box all the time and it only becomes a thing if the ball finds the net.
And with the second the flag is up before the ball is crossed, a mistake but linos have made worse.
With Italy the chance was clearer but that's a bloody tight offside call to land on rigged.
For me the Spain game was more blatant. Goals ruled out when the ball was supposedly out of play when it wasn't even close to being out and the goalkeeper saving penalties when he was about 3 or 4 yards off his line
I’d take the claims more seriously if they whistled after the goal. They immediately whistled as the player headed the ball in the first scenario and as the cross was made in the second scenario. Back then so many erroneous calls were made for balls going out/line (even today) and obviously no VAR back then as well. I can understand referees making those wrong calls, and those stand out more when teams like Spain are more favored to win than S. Korea that nobody probably ever heard of back then. (Plus, nobody talks about how the home game advantage playing a big role in their team playing their heart out.)
I’m not counting out corruption, but I’m certain so many other games are just as prone to corruption/referee bias claims. Just stands out a lot more when it’s a WC knockout stage vs a European elite team.
They're being downvoted because the majority of people in here aren't old enough to remember the 2002 world cup.
Seriously, go back and watch their games against Spain & Italy. Those two games are the finest examples of match-fixing I have ever seen at the highest levels of football. Absolutely no doubt in my mind.
I've never voiced this opinion here before because it goes against the popular narrative, but I did watch the entire Italy match in 2020 when football was called off. I was expecting something shocking. Maybe it had been overhyped, but it seemed like any standard game for that time period. People say the Spain match had worse refereeing though.
Definitely suspicious af no question.
On the other hand........Spain and Italy should have toyed with Korea with one eye closed the home crowd advantage definitely pushed them.
Spain did toy with them and had two perfectly good goals ruled out and the Korean goalie was saving penalties 3 or 4 yards off his line. It was a disgraceful refereeing performance.
They sent off Totti (one of the best itw) for diving (2nd yellow) when it was a clear pen. Fuck Moreno, denied one of the greatest back lines to ever compete of a very good chance for a WC
The referee for Italy's match, Byron Moreno, was later disqualified as a referee for match fixing (unrelated to the world cup), and he was then arrested for smuggling drugs in the US. So yeah, even without looking at the match it's a believable claim
When people don't like decisions and just going for rigged, it's lazy, boring and dangerous.
The ref made errors but refs always make errors, they have made worse errors but it doesn't mean they are on the take.
Not rigged though, a worse decision.
How is that bias, show me something worse than a guy jumping with his hand above his head and clearly punching the ball into the net?
That decision is an all time piece of cheating and dreadful call.
The same kind of fuckery, multiple times per game for like 3 games in a row, involving the host nation of that particular World Cup. Nah but the hand of god is worse. And that’s not English bias? Give your head a wobble.
No comments about how absolutely scandalous and filthy South Korea’s run was in that tournament? Paid off officials, disgusting “play” if you can call it that? Why would anyone reference that tournament talking about South Korea in a good light?? Cheated against Italy, cheated against Spain, thankfully destroyed by Germany.
I mean, it's Hiddink, South Korea's coach back then. He got interviewed in Seoul and got asked this question. I don't think they'd appreciated it if he told the truth behind their WC run. Plus, his legendary status over there would get revoked. His answer is understandable considering these factors. He knows their WC run was a sham, but why would he bother angering his fans, especially after 20 years. He could've said 'maybe' or 'I don't know' to prevent this from getting more exposure, I guess.
Great coach but lots of his recent takes have been ridiculous as hell hahaha. Here he's acting like if fixing hadn't been part of his and Korea success in 2002 World Cup, but recently he was speaking how he felt suspicious about the UEFA fixing games when he was the coach of Chelsea in Champion's League. Ridiculous!
By that logic Turkey would have also won if they had prime Arda and Nuri in the midfield or whatever. But no they wouldn't, that Brazilian team was stacked as fuck. No team stood a chance.
Maybe they would've beat Turkey for third. Maybe even pulled off a shock upset vs Germany in the semis. But against that Brazil team in the finals? No chance in hell.
Funny enough the semis against Germany was actually one of the best games for Korea at the WC. The refereeing was fine with no controversies, and Germany didn't get a decisive goal until minute 75 - before that Oliver Kahn had an otherworldly save to stop SK from taking the lead. This doesn't take away from the sham that was the Ro16 and quarters tho obviously, but the semifinal genuinely could have gone either way.
Germany wasn't a great team back then. They had a few great players, but they vastly overperformed. Kahn and Ballack basically willed Germany into the final. And then they had to play that final without Ballack and they had Kahn get injured in the final.
Too many Leverkusen players in the team that time, that's why they finished second.
Four second places that year for them, must be traumatizing (Runner-up Bundesliga, lost DFB Pokal Final, lost UCL Final (to _that_ Zidane goal), lost World Cup final)
Yeah, it was a mediocre team, and honestly they didn't meet any top tier opposition don't heir way to the final. Saudi Arabia, Ireland, Cameroon, Paraguay, US and Sk. Of those teams it was honestly US that was the best they met, and lord knows that Frings' handball was a penalty.
As if that US team was better than Ireland. Don't even think there was a single position they were stronger in never mind the whole XI
yeah that irish team was consistently ranked top 10 in the world for a few years and had some solid players(and obviously one legend in roy keane, but he walked out on the tournament)
True, but you win some you lose some. The US had a handball not called against them the prior game.
Man that game made me a football fan, and Oliver Kahn my big idol. He was just the best for a 7 year old
Ronaldo Rivaldo Ronaldinho Roberto Carlos Cafu
Kaka, Lucio, Dida, Honestly nobody else stood a chance.
Kaka probably got like ten minutes tops of game time.
Dida wasn’t first choice that World Cup it was Marcos
Rogério Ceni was actually second-choice. According to Marcos, when they trained starters vs reserves his long balls caused tons of trouble for them.
Kleberson
Vampeta
Denilson
Missing the main man Polga there
I believe we might have won the WC, if we didn't have to play that awesome side.
Lmfao. All-star line up right there. Pretty much the best national team of all time in history.
That would be Brazil 2006
I imagine lots of countries could have won many trophies if you pick and choose certain players from different eras to play countries still of the same era
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Sounds like a nightmare for both teams
Makelele and veira still better
But Kanté would be great for a Viera backup for when he gets his red cards.
Two i’s
Either one does the job of two players in midfield so it would be a bit of a waste and result in the most turgid midfield ever.
I dunno, I think it could work, Kante is pretty good at advancing the ball in ways Makelele didn't really do. You could do Kante, Makelele, Vieria with Zidane, Platini and Henry above them and probably score plenty of goals.
Imagine your 2018 WC team with Suker
Portugal with Ronaldo and Figo in 1966 would have won
Imagine the 2010 final with peak Cruyff, Van Basten, Van Hanegem, Bergkamp and add Van Dijk and De Ligt in defense instead of Heitinga and Mathijssen!
Van der Sar, Krol, Koeman, Van Dijk, Rijkaard, Neeskens, Van Hanegem, Gullit, Bergkamp, Van Basten, Cruijff. Van Breukelen, De Boer, Stam, Robben, Seedorf, Davids, Sneijder, Rensenbrink, Haan, Rep, Van Persie, Wilkes and Lenstra on the bench
You know Cruijff and the old boys would be puking themselves trying to keep up with a 2010 team, right? One of Seedorfs legs has more stamina than all of the 1974 elftal combined. They thought long jogs followed by a smoke were good training lol.
I’m guessing we are assuming sports science and match fitness all held constant, but I agree it’s too many of them old timers in the starting 11 and not enough of the 90-00s generation that were amazing too Edit: just realized that Van Nistelrooy isn’t even on the list 😅
Bigger question is how can you even improve the 2010 Spain team
Convince Messi to play for Spain
Really, the only answer lol.
Alba at left back
Raul? They desperately needed a striker.
They had Villa and Torres
Doubtful. He was a cancer. It's not a coincidence that Spain went from perennial bottlers to winners as soon as his toxic ass was thrown out.
Morientes then
It also helped immensely that Torres from 08-10 was unplayable.
Which we got between 2008-2012. No matter how hard managers have worked since the beginning of the past decade to phase out the number 9 to bring more flexible profiles, they simply cannot do without.
With di Stéfano, but that's about it.
Martin Peters - Hurst - Jarrod Bowen I live
Where is Mark Noble??
Lol no one is beating that brazil generation I feel.
Also if you pick and choose the referees…
Its just like Croatia would have won the WC in 98 if modric was there. Its bs
If we had Cruijff in 2010 we probably would've won as well
Why? Coz he would bench Sneijder?
I mean, yes, of course he would have
The WC of the year Wes could have won a ballon d’or and equal top scored? Obviously Cruyff was something else but… it’s a strange one to pick.
Anybody who chooses Wesley Sneijder over Cruyff should be arrested immediately for everybody else’s safety.
You think pack a day Cruijff would last 90 minutes in a modern game? All his talent would've withered away after 20 minutes in the African heat.
If he played today, he'd have the benefit of today's nutrition, sport's science and ultra-professionalism. Comments like this aren't well though-out.
The 2010 WC happened during winter in South Africa
Man, the Spanish and the Italians are about to go nuts in this thread.
Moreno is so hated that he was invited to referee a 7 a side football match in Italy so the crowd could boo and insult him live. Before that he was invited to a Carnival parade for the same reason. Some town in Sicily also named the public toilets after him for 10 years... You have no idea.
wasn’t he caught trafficking drugs? or was that someone else?
With good reason to be fair, that World Cup was very very dodgy.
wait till november
Urgh. I have a feeling it’s going to be absolutely fetid.
No way Qatar would even attempt what South Korea did in 2002 (blatant corruption). SK relied on the perception that they have an ok team and are at home. Plausible deniability. One positive result for Qatar and you know what everyone will be thinking.
I think Qatar will have ''wtf?''-moments more like South Africa in 2010, ie not refereeing corruption necessarily but just things on and off the pitch that makes you go ''what the hell is even going on'' My favs from 2010: Vuvuzelas, all the Jabulani complaints, French NT drama, Suarez handball. SA2010 was a dramatic, chaotic mess from start to finish but damn was it entertaining.
The goddamn Jabulani... still can't believe they played a WC with a glorified beach ball. That thing was an absolute nightmare for the people trying to kick or save it. It was way too light, insanely easy to make knuckle, and didn't bend like a normal ball if you hit it with spin.
Meanwhile Van Bronckhorst be like "I don't see a problem here."
SA2010 might just be the worst World Cup in history. I get that this subreddit skews young and that will be their first memory of a world cup but it was dire.
It’s because a lot of the traditionally strong national teams were in transition/not fully peaking yet, and Spain were like the infinity gauntlet of a team. Everyone that tried to play them had no answers for them and were dragging matches to unwatchable spectacles hoping for a knockout punch
I was 10 at the time, so I very much admit that most of my appreciation for the 2010 WC tournament is derived purely from childhood nostalgia. Don't be fooled though - Qatar 22 is **already** the worst World Cup and it hasn't even started yet. I'll stand by that purely because The Guardian estimated that over [6 000 workers have died](https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/feb/23/revealed-migrant-worker-deaths-qatar-fifa-world-cup-2022) in the construction process, and that's a **conservative** estimate.
It's going to have absolutely no atmosphere whatsoever, the football is going to be turgid and it's going to be December so we'll all be working/studying/pissed off at winter making everything dark at 3/4pm. Going to be grim, I'm in no mood for a "festival of football" in a slave state during December.
even if they wanted to do the middle east, why not do it somewhere with actual footballing culture?
Suarez handball still pisses me off, Ghana deserved to go through
While SK were a much better team than Qatar back then, they had absolutely no business beating us and the Italians.
Qatar are Asian champions, they’re not South Africa tier of bad. It’s highly unlikely but not completely out of the cards that they could make it to r16 as they’ve got a pretty weak group anyways
Pretty weak? They got no glaring weak opposition. I can see them steal one point and that's about it, while whichever team is the one who slips up against them will have an uphill struggle getting out of the group.
They won the 2019 AFC Asian Cup so they're probably going to be better than most people think. For reference before hosting the World Cup South Korea got 3rd in the 2000 AFC Asian Cup.
No idea wasn't, the ref made errors but that happens, it's more those fans couldn't handle losing to that side, so added conspiracy.
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People built them up that's why, they couldn't handle losing to a smaller football nation. They were errors, it's not like the ref made 5 good goals disappear and gave them the winner. Incompetence is always the most likely reason for a mistake, see Masi and nothing gets to that level of fuck up either.
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This guy above you is acting like an Italian striker didn’t get fouled in the box for a clear penalty, only to get sent off for diving
Cos a ref has never gotten those things wrong before.
Ah the old someone disagrees so there trolling argument. Well I was saying in the same game and no winners were gifted. Again you act like I'm claiming the ref got it all right, I'm saying the refs fucked up but that it wasn't rigged. Refs make bad calls, South Korea played well in that tournament and got some luck with those decisions too. My reaction is the same to any situation where someone calls a game rigged without real proof. Right not on the concept of disallowed goals, that's false, if the whistle has gone before the shot how is it a real goal, is the ref psychic? Cos Spain's first, the whistle goes as the header happens, yes it's a soft free kick but refs give them in the box all the time and it only becomes a thing if the ball finds the net. And with the second the flag is up before the ball is crossed, a mistake but linos have made worse. With Italy the chance was clearer but that's a bloody tight offside call to land on rigged.
With good reason.
Rightly so. Most rigged thing I've seen at a World Cup
I am neither Spanish nor Italian, but I got so livid whenever I heard South Korean brags about their 4th place finish at 2002.
Brasil would Win 2006, 2010, 2014 if we had Pelé, Rivelino and Garrincha :(
And now imagine the world Cup 02 with functional VAR system.
Fuck Byron Moreno e Forza Azzurri.
Fuck Byron Moreno and Al-Ghandour
Yeah, of course, fuck Al-Ghandour too, you loser egypto-korean bitch.
Nah they had their stars in Gamal Al-Ghandour and Byron Moreno and that wasn't enough.
I don’t think Korea needed Son then. They just needed to bride two more refs.
Yeah true
This should be a fun thread
Turkey came third in the 2002 WC, they definitely would have won it if they had big Çağlar Söyüncü playing with them
Or prime Arda Turan. Lel. Seriously stupid arguments
Midfield of Prime Arda, Nuri, Hamit.
I know you jest but I’d rather have Bulent Korkmaz and Alpay. Lol
Giga Çağlar coming in clutch with 17' red card.
Ma vaffanculo. Arbitro infame per te solo lame, Moreno pezzo di merda. 20 years later we still haven’t forgotten, we will never forget
Corrupt officials were the only reason they got as far as they did
You’re being downvoted but there is a very strong claim to support this, if people went back and watched the games you’d see why, very questionable.
Especially the Italy game. No wonder people believe it was rigged for South Korea
For me the Spain game was more blatant. Goals ruled out when the ball was supposedly out of play when it wasn't even close to being out and the goalkeeper saving penalties when he was about 3 or 4 yards off his line
I’d take the claims more seriously if they whistled after the goal. They immediately whistled as the player headed the ball in the first scenario and as the cross was made in the second scenario. Back then so many erroneous calls were made for balls going out/line (even today) and obviously no VAR back then as well. I can understand referees making those wrong calls, and those stand out more when teams like Spain are more favored to win than S. Korea that nobody probably ever heard of back then. (Plus, nobody talks about how the home game advantage playing a big role in their team playing their heart out.) I’m not counting out corruption, but I’m certain so many other games are just as prone to corruption/referee bias claims. Just stands out a lot more when it’s a WC knockout stage vs a European elite team.
The world cup always has been and always will be corrupt as fuck. From the awarding to the refereeing to sometimes even the qualifying.
Are there people contesting this? Some of their games were ridiculous, not the fault of the players or coach though.
They're being downvoted because the majority of people in here aren't old enough to remember the 2002 world cup. Seriously, go back and watch their games against Spain & Italy. Those two games are the finest examples of match-fixing I have ever seen at the highest levels of football. Absolutely no doubt in my mind.
I've never voiced this opinion here before because it goes against the popular narrative, but I did watch the entire Italy match in 2020 when football was called off. I was expecting something shocking. Maybe it had been overhyped, but it seemed like any standard game for that time period. People say the Spain match had worse refereeing though.
Definitely suspicious af no question. On the other hand........Spain and Italy should have toyed with Korea with one eye closed the home crowd advantage definitely pushed them.
Spain did toy with them and had two perfectly good goals ruled out and the Korean goalie was saving penalties 3 or 4 yards off his line. It was a disgraceful refereeing performance.
They sent off Totti (one of the best itw) for diving (2nd yellow) when it was a clear pen. Fuck Moreno, denied one of the greatest back lines to ever compete of a very good chance for a WC
Yeah we would have qualified for the World Cup if we had Puskas
They shouldn’t have needed Son to win. They already had all the referees in their pocket in that tournament.
Yeah if Son was semis referee than for sure. What referee did against us and Italy was big shame.
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The referee for Italy's match, Byron Moreno, was later disqualified as a referee for match fixing (unrelated to the world cup), and he was then arrested for smuggling drugs in the US. So yeah, even without looking at the match it's a believable claim
The ref for the Spain match never officiated another game either.
Then you're a fool, spreading this nonsense about is shameful.
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Yes but you need more proof than ref got it wrong.
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When people don't like decisions and just going for rigged, it's lazy, boring and dangerous. The ref made errors but refs always make errors, they have made worse errors but it doesn't mean they are on the take.
Tell me you didn’t watch WC02 without telling me you didn’t watch WC02
I did, I just don't spread bs.
You claimed 86 was worse lol. Clear bias, get out of here.
Not rigged though, a worse decision. How is that bias, show me something worse than a guy jumping with his hand above his head and clearly punching the ball into the net? That decision is an all time piece of cheating and dreadful call.
The same kind of fuckery, multiple times per game for like 3 games in a row, involving the host nation of that particular World Cup. Nah but the hand of god is worse. And that’s not English bias? Give your head a wobble.
Man scroll through the thread and look what the majority of people are posting. But nah, you’ll die on that hill for some strange reason.
Stop right there, 2002 was 100% rigged
You can't just spread that be cos the ref got decisions wrong. I've seen many worse calls.
No comments about how absolutely scandalous and filthy South Korea’s run was in that tournament? Paid off officials, disgusting “play” if you can call it that? Why would anyone reference that tournament talking about South Korea in a good light?? Cheated against Italy, cheated against Spain, thankfully destroyed by Germany.
I mean, it's Hiddink, South Korea's coach back then. He got interviewed in Seoul and got asked this question. I don't think they'd appreciated it if he told the truth behind their WC run. Plus, his legendary status over there would get revoked. His answer is understandable considering these factors. He knows their WC run was a sham, but why would he bother angering his fans, especially after 20 years. He could've said 'maybe' or 'I don't know' to prevent this from getting more exposure, I guess.
I didn’t mean comments from him, I meant from this comment thread and/or the rest of the world!
thats like saying, had harry maguire played in 1966 he would've won the world cup for germany
[And if my grandmother had wheels she would have been a bike.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-RfHC91Ewc)
Son + the refs they paid off.
If my grandmother had wheels, she would be a bike.
Maybe with Son refereeing...
As good as Son is, all 3 of Brazil forwards back then are a level above him. this is not to even begin on the rest of that team.
Son + 30m USD dirty money might get it done.
Congrats South Korea!
Argentina would have won 1990 WC with Messi
If we had Pelé, Garrincha, Ronaldo, Romário, Zico, Ronaldinho, Didi, Tostão... Ok, I can't name them all... I think we would be, at least, Hexa.
Well they should have called him up then.
That’s a lot of pressure for a 10 year old kid.
ok
It's your fault for not calling him up then.
Great coach but lots of his recent takes have been ridiculous as hell hahaha. Here he's acting like if fixing hadn't been part of his and Korea success in 2002 World Cup, but recently he was speaking how he felt suspicious about the UEFA fixing games when he was the coach of Chelsea in Champion's League. Ridiculous!
As a referee maybe, cause that was that Korea's strongest position
No shit he’s the greatest ever Asian player to grace the game
The disrespect to captain tsubasa!
What about Misaki, Hyuga, Misugi and Wakabayashi?
Wakabayashi would be the goat but he's more injury prone than Dembele.
But he is there when he matters and we still have Wakashimazu so its all good
Keisuke Honda slander.
Def top 5 but not the best compared to Cha Bum Kun, Park Ji Sung, Ali Daei, Hidetoshi Nakata
Argentina would have won most world cups if they had Messi. Ohh wait..
And Belgium would've won without Prendergast
Guus 💙
"would, could, should" are terms that are meaningless in football. Either it happened or not, the rest is just fantasy.
Depends if Ireland had Roy Keane in the timeline or not
And the same referees maybe
Wasn't he only 10 in '02? I'm not sure how much help he would've been....
Fucking hell! That game against Italy was a sham! That was some Italy team and they were robbed
I believe England would've win WC 2006 with a full list of superstars in their squad, oh wait...
By that logic Turkey would have also won if they had prime Arda and Nuri in the midfield or whatever. But no they wouldn't, that Brazilian team was stacked as fuck. No team stood a chance.
Between Son and the refs probably
My aunt would be my uncle if she had balls between her legs
Had they had VAR would have Korea out in the round of 16. Had to be the worst officiating in WC history.
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Make Rooney 2 years older and Beckham not playing hurt and who knows but that Brazil side had all the pieces.
I don't think a 14 year old rooney would have done much
Silly fuck up fixed.
2002 was also the last time any WC had good refs. It's been a steady decline since.
>2002 was also the last time any WC had good refs. It's been a steady decline since. Wait WHAT
HUH ?
Nice meme
2002 is the worst ever tournament regarding referees ever!
Nope, 86 is still the worse, you will never see a bigger more obvious call missed.
Tell me you didn’t watch the 2002 WC without telling me you didn’t watch the 2002 WC.
And Leicester would have won the Premier League in 1994 with Vardy, Mahrez, Kante and Ranieri