More like “scientists find natural metals within the moon, which has long been theorized to be a chunk of rock that broke off during a collision between Earth and Theia, and so finding metal in it makes sense.” Emphasizing the word *structure* makes people think of something man made, but the word just means a complex arrangement.
This headline probably kills over on r/fakemoon. Moon believers and non-believers generate clicks all the same and the internet has shown time and time again that it has no shame, it just wants clicks
Right, id love an actual title. Maybe less people commenting but who cares? Half the comments now are just pointing out the dumb title so whats the loss.
Nah that’s totally a mass effect relay, or Nazis. Was the “structure” in the shape of a swastika? Oh it could also be the space ship that the dinosaurs flew away on, which crashed into the moon killing all the remaining dinosaurs except Steve who’s been up there plotting.
Can't wait for the new conspiracy theories because of this word choice.
Science "journalism" is just dumb. Then again, I'll take it over other deplorable conspiracies like 9/11, flat earth, ufos, and the moon landings.
So I have a stupid question. If we somehow extracted all that metal for use on earth, would we lower the actual gravity of the moon? Would it effect us?
Gonna need to create a hell of a magnetic field for that plan to work, hoss, otherwise the solar winds will strip away the o2 and gasses from the burn off in no time.
That's the point. You pump the o2 into the sealed trash shafts, the trash burns and vents out a vent designed to vent at a certain pressure. It would push all the gas and pollutants into space where we will never ever ever have to deal with consequences, ever.
Can't do that. It would show the world the massive secret alien/nazi moon base on the dark side of the moon. The planet would panic as Space Hitler started his blitzkrieg onto earth with his Aryan alien army.
We would, but it would take a better mathematician than me to determine by how much. If we extracted all the metal of this structure and brought it to the Earth for our use, we would be transferring a significant amount of mass from the Moon to the Earth. The Earth’s gravitational pull would become greater, and the Moon’s gravitational pull would lessen.
It is an oversimplification to say that the Moon orbits the Earth. The Moon and Earth both orbit a common point, or barycenter, between them. That point falls within the surface of the Earth but is not the center of the Earth. So, moving that much mass from the Moon to the Earth would cause the barycenter to migrate towards the center of the Earth. My math, however, is not good enough to suggest what would happen to the orbit of the Moon.
I mean I'm not a physicist and took two astronomy classes, but according to Google gravity between two objects is calculated with
F = (G * m1 * m2) / d^2
(Force = (gravitational constant * mass1 * mass2) / distance squared)
So from my understanding removing all the metal would lower the mass of the moon, ultimately making the gravitational force between Earth and the Moon smaller.
Without knowing how much metal we'd be removing, the effects could be as small as slightly weaker tides, the Moons shifts and stabilizes in a shorter orbit, or it breaks apart and all hell breaks loose as material comes crashing into Earth killing us all and potentially giving Earth a shiny new ring.
So in conclusion, whichever option you like more, that one.
>or it breaks apart and all hell breaks loose as material comes crashing into Earth killing us all and potentially giving Earth a shiny new ring.
Have you been reading Seveneves by any chance?
if you took all the weight from the moon to the earth it would make the earths gravity stronger which would bring the moon closer which would make the effects(Tide) similar
If we extracted all the metal from the Moon, it would indeed lower its mass and, consequently, its gravity. However, in practice, we wouldn't be able to mine very deeply. Even though we might go deeper than on Earth, the metallic ore would still constitute only a small percentage of the total volume of the ore body. The remaining material, mostly barren rock, would stay on the Moon
*All* of the metal? Probably 🤷🏻♂️ most metal has a high density and such, a higher mass per given volume than most of the other elements on the moon--so if *all* of the metal was taken away, the gravity of the moon would certainly be affected, but probably only in a way that would change the shelf life of the Moon's life expectancy as our satellite by a few million years if I had to guess. It's not a stupid question, just an interesting hypothetical.
I don't know enough about math and gravity to say whether that mass would still affect the orbit if it was brought to Earth, but if it was taken out of the equation entirely, I think that's what would happen.
Oh, and the tides
You mean this year-old news that immediately clarifies the term “structure”?
https://www.unilad.com/news/moon-metal-structure-discovered-nasa-291342-20230504
FFS these headlines that use weasel clickbait words to infer "manufactured" is so rife it turns me off rather than encourages me to click and learn about it... but here I am commenting on it. Fuck.
The word "structure" is doing some heavy lifting here. If you decide to actually Google it you'll find that it's almost certainly from a huge asteroid impact or the results of a cooled magma ocean. But it is indeed a gigantic deposit of metal the stretches for 1200 miles.
The oldest article I found stating this was from 2019.
Fair. I guess better in a sense that you don’t have to download the MSN app in the other link to probably get the same story that unilad copied and pasted to their site.
Edit: guess you can expand the MSN article and read the rest. Unilads article isn’t copied and pasted, but a more truncated version with similar information. Clickbait, yes, but the information is sound enough.
I’ve always wondered that if we somehow are able to extract ores and rare earth materials from the moon or a comet, how does it get back to Earth? Isn’t every large object a potential bomb hurling towards Earth?
Not sure if OP came up with that title or if it was some news outlet, or just another scientist who’s bad at interviews, but please do not call it a structure, for this will set off the conspiracy theorists.
So basically the remnants of Theia were on the moon, with the other remnants as earth’s large low shear velocity provinces.
Or at least that’s what it looks like.
I mean it's not super strange. Look at how highlighted areas correlate with impact craters and the "seas" of the moon. Probably a geologic phenomenon caused by parts of the moon melting and recrystalizing.
More like “scientists find natural metals within the moon, which has long been theorized to be a chunk of rock that broke off during a collision between Earth and Theia, and so finding metal in it makes sense.” Emphasizing the word *structure* makes people think of something man made, but the word just means a complex arrangement.
This sub is all about clickbait so that tracks.
Seems most space and 'popular science ' subs are just that. And if it's not in the posts, it's in the comments.
Haha I saw one earlier today that was "Nasa confirms they received transmission from interstellar craft" in reference to voyager 1.
i'm not sayin' it's aliens - because it's not
Massive metal structures on the Moon... Wait, no, that's not aliens, that's Hitler!
This headline probably kills over on r/fakemoon. Moon believers and non-believers generate clicks all the same and the internet has shown time and time again that it has no shame, it just wants clicks
As I like everyone’s comments 🙄
"What would this look like if I could see it with my own eyes???"
100%; it is called *"spaceporn"* after all.
I expected more space tities but this in nice too
Three titties here not enough for you?
hard to escape the blizzard of clickbait on the internet misinformation will misinform
Big facts
Right, id love an actual title. Maybe less people commenting but who cares? Half the comments now are just pointing out the dumb title so whats the loss.
Nah that’s totally a mass effect relay, or Nazis. Was the “structure” in the shape of a swastika? Oh it could also be the space ship that the dinosaurs flew away on, which crashed into the moon killing all the remaining dinosaurs except Steve who’s been up there plotting.
hey! who told you about steve? ^(\*shit!\*)
[Redacted] protocol breach.
The great pyramid is also a complex arrangement. Aka. Structure. Can someone use better English so it's not so conspiratorial?
Well they got me, that was one hell of a headline. Excellent spin.
Structure pfft call me when they find an edifice.
Did anyone cross-post this to r/conspiracy yet?
Auw man, I thought the astronauts built a big steel framed building or something while they were there, then buried it to keep it secret.
So, you're saying it's DEFINITELY aliens.
This theory makes complete sense if you don’t take into account its orbit or proximity to earth. You need to try harder!
Can't wait for the new conspiracy theories because of this word choice. Science "journalism" is just dumb. Then again, I'll take it over other deplorable conspiracies like 9/11, flat earth, ufos, and the moon landings.
Oh it's not man made...it's ALIEN made!!!!!! /s
Also the vague "NASA equipment"
Right! Is there even a functional difference between "metal" and "metal structure"?
Does it mean that this helps push forward the theory of the Theia collision?
How is this not the top comment?
Because it was commented 10 minutes ago and this post has been up for over two hours.
It is.
It wasn’t when I added this! But glad it is now! Regardless of the downvotes.
They found the secret Nazi base! Iron Sky is for real!
Ach du heilige Scheiße!
No one can hear you flammenwerf in space
That's because you can't use it in space. There's no oxygen.
 (Just kidding, love your comment)
I'm *very* fun at parties. Or so people keep telling me online. ^proud ^nerd, ^actually ^fun ^at ^parties.
It's the Borg
Resistance is lunar
Resistance is fruit like .
Resistance is frugal.
Resistance is ferrous
They will have to fight the transformers for it
Existence is Futile
It's the holy GRAIL. The GRAIL spacecraft found it. Believed to be left over from an asteroid impact.
A Blessing From The Lord!
But it’s the Jews with the space lasers! *puts on tin foil hat* Have the Nazis and Jews been working together all along?
So I have a stupid question. If we somehow extracted all that metal for use on earth, would we lower the actual gravity of the moon? Would it effect us?
We can extract metals from the moon and put trash on the moon by the same amount of mass. Big brain here😎
Mine out the moon, and then fill the holes with trash, seal the holes, pump o2, burn the trash, repeat
My plastics micro but my brain big
Gonna need to create a hell of a magnetic field for that plan to work, hoss, otherwise the solar winds will strip away the o2 and gasses from the burn off in no time.
That's the point. You pump the o2 into the sealed trash shafts, the trash burns and vents out a vent designed to vent at a certain pressure. It would push all the gas and pollutants into space where we will never ever ever have to deal with consequences, ever.
Until we need to save the space turtles.
Just turn the trash into space paper straws, ez fix
You know what, we could put residential recycle bins on the moon
You can use the hollowed out moon like a rocket to propel the moon a bit faster to keep it from tidally locking.
Can't do that. It would show the world the massive secret alien/nazi moon base on the dark side of the moon. The planet would panic as Space Hitler started his blitzkrieg onto earth with his Aryan alien army.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqHimq-PT_s
Right you are Indiana Jones.
100.000.000 into the future: mommy what are “Vape pens” and why did they find them on the moon?
Basic civilized human behavior.
and if we transported that much metal to earth would it increase the gravity on earth?
technically^any^additional^mass^would
1000 gigastons of iron, or 1000 gigatons of feathers?
Clearly 1000 gigatons or iron (has a higher terminal velocity) That was the question, right?
Of course
We would, but it would take a better mathematician than me to determine by how much. If we extracted all the metal of this structure and brought it to the Earth for our use, we would be transferring a significant amount of mass from the Moon to the Earth. The Earth’s gravitational pull would become greater, and the Moon’s gravitational pull would lessen. It is an oversimplification to say that the Moon orbits the Earth. The Moon and Earth both orbit a common point, or barycenter, between them. That point falls within the surface of the Earth but is not the center of the Earth. So, moving that much mass from the Moon to the Earth would cause the barycenter to migrate towards the center of the Earth. My math, however, is not good enough to suggest what would happen to the orbit of the Moon.
I mean I'm not a physicist and took two astronomy classes, but according to Google gravity between two objects is calculated with F = (G * m1 * m2) / d^2 (Force = (gravitational constant * mass1 * mass2) / distance squared) So from my understanding removing all the metal would lower the mass of the moon, ultimately making the gravitational force between Earth and the Moon smaller. Without knowing how much metal we'd be removing, the effects could be as small as slightly weaker tides, the Moons shifts and stabilizes in a shorter orbit, or it breaks apart and all hell breaks loose as material comes crashing into Earth killing us all and potentially giving Earth a shiny new ring. So in conclusion, whichever option you like more, that one.
Thanks for narrowing it down
You forgot to increase mass of the earth. So the earth would be pulling more the moon and moon would have less impact on oceans tides.
ab≠(a+1)(b-1)
>or it breaks apart and all hell breaks loose as material comes crashing into Earth killing us all and potentially giving Earth a shiny new ring. Have you been reading Seveneves by any chance?
I did a while ago, absolutely the best way ever to start a book
YES!!! That is the answer. YES!!!
if you took all the weight from the moon to the earth it would make the earths gravity stronger which would bring the moon closer which would make the effects(Tide) similar
By the time we are able to do that, we will be able to travel the stars and have unlimited resources.
I think you might enjoy The Future of Geography by Tim Marshall.
Post this question in r/theydidthemath
Probably, but in terms of relative change it would require like .05% more energy required to jump.
If we extracted all the metal from the Moon, it would indeed lower its mass and, consequently, its gravity. However, in practice, we wouldn't be able to mine very deeply. Even though we might go deeper than on Earth, the metallic ore would still constitute only a small percentage of the total volume of the ore body. The remaining material, mostly barren rock, would stay on the Moon
*All* of the metal? Probably 🤷🏻♂️ most metal has a high density and such, a higher mass per given volume than most of the other elements on the moon--so if *all* of the metal was taken away, the gravity of the moon would certainly be affected, but probably only in a way that would change the shelf life of the Moon's life expectancy as our satellite by a few million years if I had to guess. It's not a stupid question, just an interesting hypothetical. I don't know enough about math and gravity to say whether that mass would still affect the orbit if it was brought to Earth, but if it was taken out of the equation entirely, I think that's what would happen. Oh, and the tides
This the most human comment ever. "How would it affect humans if we raped the moon?"
So I take it’s not Hydrogen or Helium
If it were helium the moon would obviously float away
Yeah... Because helium is lighter than air.
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It’s got what moons crave…
It's what plants crave
The moon is actually drifting away from the Earth, so Helium moon confirmed.
Not cheese??? I was told the moon is made of cheese.
> Linda Ham… does your name ever make ya hungry?
https://youtu.be/WPGIxI66ETQ?si=jKfHm29jrW6LBpHh
That was beautiful. Thanks, I needed that.
Was hoping someone linked That One Guy
But if the moon were made of barbecue spare ribs would you eat it then?
It’s a simple question, Doctor
I know I would
Oh great, this will start a whole new conspiracy industry of conmen
Choosing 'structure' clearly highlights this intent, surely "deposits" would be a much more appropriate word to use
Alien banks on the moon confirmed
Hollow moon conspiracy is already pretty prominent.
You mean this year-old news that immediately clarifies the term “structure”? https://www.unilad.com/news/moon-metal-structure-discovered-nasa-291342-20230504
Is it really pop science if it’s not click baity??
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So, say we all
Has no one seen moonfall? 
You’re part of the moon now 😔
I love that movie!
I wanted to hate it so badly but I couldn’t, I love it too
The tsunami and the shuttle in one frame! What a visual orgy!
TMA 1?
'Bout 20 years too late for Kubrick.
Such a crazy title to read, then you just see jokes all below it.
I love how NASA is working everyday to publish perfect wallpapers for my phone.
The moon has bones
"*that’s no moon!*"
We need helium 3
We already knew that because of transformers duh.
FFS these headlines that use weasel clickbait words to infer "manufactured" is so rife it turns me off rather than encourages me to click and learn about it... but here I am commenting on it. Fuck.
The word "structure" is doing some heavy lifting here. If you decide to actually Google it you'll find that it's almost certainly from a huge asteroid impact or the results of a cooled magma ocean. But it is indeed a gigantic deposit of metal the stretches for 1200 miles. The oldest article I found stating this was from 2019.
Moons Haunted
What?
FINGER TIPS ON THE SURFACE OF MY MINDDDDDDDDDDDR
https://www.unilad.com/news/moon-metal-structure-discovered-nasa-291342-20230504 This is a better article that you don’t need an app for.
Anything by uni lad should absolutely not be described as a better article mate. Absolute clickbait rag, it isn't worth clicking on.
Fair. I guess better in a sense that you don’t have to download the MSN app in the other link to probably get the same story that unilad copied and pasted to their site. Edit: guess you can expand the MSN article and read the rest. Unilads article isn’t copied and pasted, but a more truncated version with similar information. Clickbait, yes, but the information is sound enough.
Dr. Evil's moon base, where he keeps his "lasers".
Stop upvoting these trash articles
Conspiracy nut jobs are going to jump on your irresponsibly worded title.
Space discoveries never cease to amaze, what a find
How do they know it's a structure?
I’ve always wondered that if we somehow are able to extract ores and rare earth materials from the moon or a comet, how does it get back to Earth? Isn’t every large object a potential bomb hurling towards Earth?
So, would it be more feasible to mine iron and other ores from Luna rather than moving asteroids to low earth orbit?
Moonfall is a documentary.
The death star!
"Moon's full of blood." "What?" \*cocks gun\* "Moon's full of blood."
nooo, this headline isn't real.
so they found mineral deposits that was long the rice was there? neat
Iron is one the most abundant elements in the Univers. All average stars, like our Sun, produce iron in their core.
When it comes to space exploration the word structure sure does get thrown around a lot.
What metal?
Well that’s the next space race! Drilling for minerals on the moon.
We know where the aliens that built the pyramids went, FINALLY
Not sure if OP came up with that title or if it was some news outlet, or just another scientist who’s bad at interviews, but please do not call it a structure, for this will set off the conspiracy theorists.
How about chunk of metal
So basically the remnants of Theia were on the moon, with the other remnants as earth’s large low shear velocity provinces. Or at least that’s what it looks like.
Alien base??
Most definitely not. Metals can be iron, nickel, etc. just as our planet has under the surface.
Bear in mind that what constitutes a "metal" will differ depending upon if you're speaking to a chemist or an astrophysicist.
Screw metal, what is the scientific use of Structure?
Or a guitarist.
Even a musician.
But remember TMA-1 buried in Tycho Crater? They maybe found the real one! We'll never be sure until we dig it up!
Sir, that was a movie and this is a Wendy's.
Wendys? I thought it was a Culvers!!
... what's a Culvers?
There may just be some very helpful rabbits up there growing carrots and trying their best way. /j
Great. This is the beginning of the our end as some billionaire fuck decides to mine the moon. It cracks in 2037 iirc.
I mean it's not super strange. Look at how highlighted areas correlate with impact craters and the "seas" of the moon. Probably a geologic phenomenon caused by parts of the moon melting and recrystalizing.
I'm glad they didn't use Home Depot equipment though maybe there is a fourth of july sale coming up soon
OK, that might kinda explain the Defense budget.
That heavy metals sink?
It's totally Optimus
Moon is hollow and underneath is a bunker for the elites once they trigger the end of the earth
The lizard people of Denver will never allow that.
we’re a bunch of bearing balls floating in space, the Big Bang was the breaking of the ring bearing.
Moonfall was right
I've seen this movie
It’s the Near-Death Star!
Monolith.
I like how specific "NASA equipment" is
I saw that movie
Fucking wackadoo
Do not mine the moon please. I seen this movie
Can't wait for all the Facebook posts about how NASA has found metal alien bases in the moon now.
Omg massive mineral veins or deposits on a massive space rock that used to be a part of earth - how amazing
Its just the moon rover and lander.
Time to start mining
I saw this movie.
lol wasn’t April 1 a few months ago
Ahhhh!!!!! THE MOON IS JUST PAPER MACHE OVER A METAL SCAFFOLDING AHHHH2728$($!)?!???
That's no moon...
Whether they intended it or not ( intended it ), to most people this reads " I told you there was aliens in the moon! "
Moons haunted
Oh we know