Lmao you already know! So annoying being in Cali when it comes to sports betting. But honestly Bovada has been fairly easy for me - easy cash out to Coinbase, direct line to customer service at all times, no major scams when withdrawing. The main thing I can’t stand is the lack of promos!!
Fuck Bovada. Those sleazy shit stains intentionally make it as hard as possible to make a withdrawal from your account.
I have just under $100 left in my account and I just want to close it. Their options are being paid in fucking bitcoins, or - LMFAO - paying them $100 to send a check for $98.36 by courier. My initial deposit was made with a debit card...there's no reason they can't send withdrawals back the same way, they already have the system in place for debit/ credit card transactions.
I don't own bitcoin, I don't want bitcoin. I deposited American currency, and that's what I want back. Like I said, they already have the system in place to accept deposits via debit/credit cards, there's no reason they can't send withdrawals back the same way. They're purposely making people jump through hoop after hoop in the hopes that some of them will just give up trying to get their money out and they'll get to keep it.
I guess die on the hill then.
I get it, it’s messed up. But they’re an illegal international casino. You shoulda accounted for that. I’d think you actually do understand there’s a plethora of reasons why they can take payment but not send it via traditional means … you do understand that right? Like you’re just messing around about not understanding that right?
I’d suggest just taking bitcoin one time. You’ll lose like 5 bucks in fees. Move on and take business elsewhere. The time it took you to write this post, you coulda been paid.
I agree they really shouldn’t accept payments that aren’t BTC though. It’s shitty that they do that. Very misleading.
I'm not here to defend Bovada, b/c they do suck on some fronts. But the reason you can't withdraw via debit card is because getting transactions through to a black market offshore wagering operation like Bivada is a cat and mouse game in the post-UIGEA world. Channels that might allow for transactions at one point get shut down regularly.
I have had success withdrawing from Bovada via bitcoin, but even that wasn't straightforward.
Mine has been pretty straight forward? I have never done noteworthy amounts but just copy and paste the wallet and it shows up within 6 hours or so. Then sell it on Coinbase or robinhood or whatever and transfer to checking. A few steps but none too hard.
Not to mention, anyone who isn’t using offshores is missing out on a TON of profitable opportunities. Bovada has some serious EV lines on a daily basis
Show us yours please. Next time you fantasize of a life you don’t live, I suggest you make a throwaway or wipe your old posts that gave your own personal identity away. It's wild talking this crazy with your occupation and actual income easily accessable. Don’t drop personal info on a profile that you want to role play as a big shot as you cuck yourself with reality.
PS. Pay off those debts that are long in collections.
You do know sportsbooks can set whatever ridiculous odds they want right?
Doesn't change the bet ?
I'm really missing your point.... your grasping for straws because your mad you misread a bet.
So if bovada puts luka 3's line at o/u 8.5 @ -110 .... does that somehow change the bet ? Or is that just horrible odds vs expected value ??? can you see what im saying ?
Just admit you misread it , we ALL have lost money due to misreading ... I know I have ... I learned and moved on because I WAS WRONG.
Why do I need to justify the odds? I simply read the bet....
Your proving my point that bovadas lines are complete garbage ....
Im sorry you didn't read the bet first....
Bruh, parlaying
Game 1: Luka o30.5
Game 2: Luka o30.5
Game 3: Luka o30.5
Game 4: Luka o30.5
is -115 in your mind?
Not to mention potential games 5 ,6, and 7...
So then how do you justify -115 odds if each of those player props are for every single finals game instead of the average for the entire series?
Jaylen Brown should be -115 to score over 1.5 3PM in every single finals game? Tatum should be -115 to get more than 10 rebounds in every finals game? Or conversely, Jaylen should be -125 to record under 6 Rebs in every finals game?
The only logical way these odds make sense for these series player props is if it’s the average line for the entire series (i.e, Jaylen brown to average over 1.5 3PM, or Tatum to average o/u 10 Rebs for the series)
It's most likely a retard who doesn't understand a thing they do who created those bets. +110 odds is ridiculous because you can just take Luka to score over 30 points on it's own for around the same odds too
My thoughts exactly. OR what if actually meant is the averages for the entire series. So Luka to average o/u 30.5 for the series at those odds, but they’re saying it’s not his averages.
Yeah I don’t think the people you spoke with extensively had any idea what was going on. It makes no sense, there has to be rules you can read on series o/u in their tos.
I honestly think it has to be average points, and the person telling you it isn't is probably a fucking moron from an Indian call center. Id probably email someone up the chain to double check.
I would NEVER EVER bet this type of bet lololol
I enjoy making money not loosing ....
As stated by myself and many others , bovada lines are a complete joke. There is a reason they don't show up on oddsjam or similar sites .
Wasn't making this post to.be a dick , was simply saying do more research. If your even looking at this line, let alone taking time to post about it.... your not even in the right mindset to be profitable
sincerely- a guy up 42.35 units for NBA season
Ohh no I got it , just seems like someone that just found sportsbetting and doesn't understand how to read lines... I wasn't confused at all.... lemme know how that goes for you with bovada support 😆
Down vote me to hell 😆 I'm sorry I thought this subreddit was for bettors not whiners
Not trying to be that guy , but the language doesn't seem confusing at all ... the fact your using bovada says it all , they are literally the worst... I wouldn't put a dime in that book ... lines are a joke and just take advantage of uneducated bettors that don't bother researching lines.
It’s intentionally misleading and the odds reflect that.
Jaylen Brown total Made 3 Point Shots Per Game - Over 1.5 ( -135)
Jaylen Brown to record 2+ made threes in every game this series (+700)
These two bets are functionally the same - JB needs to record 2+ 3PM in every finals game. Except one of those bets is worded differently and is drastically misprinted relative to the actual likelihood. Both of these bets are on the exact same Bovada page.
"Points per game" is a ubiquitous phrase used not just in basketball but tons of sports. Show me any player stats, TV graphics or literally anything where "points per game" is used to denote reaching or not reaching the number *every* game. It is always an average.
Bovada knew exactly what they were doing, and I say this as someone with limited legal sportsbook and frequently use Bovada.
>idk who would think that means average from the games.
Uh, anybody that's ever looked up a player's stats on any sports site since the dawn of the internet? You think when you go to NBA.com and look up LeBron's stats and it says PPG (short for points per game since you might not get that): 25.7, it means he's somehow scored 25.7 points in every game?
The line is "total points per game".
Go to the nba official website and look at the stats for any year's finals series. They will list any players PPG: THE AVERAGE OF POINTS THEY SCORED ACROSS ALL GAMES.
That is the way 100% of people and computers understand that phrase to mean. Question for you. If Luka scores 44, 45, 38 and 60 points in a mavs sweep, and you truly believe their wording makes sense, what would you list his total points per game at for the resolution of this bet?
If their intention is Luka to score 30.5+ in each and every game for the over to hit, the over would not be priced at -115, it would be closer to +800. It’s intentionally misleading.
I don’t use Bovada but I guarantee this is just a case of a clueless employee. Misinterpretation like this happens all the time when talking to CS even on regulated books. The employee you talked too is probably just at a call center in a third world country.
This might be true but the problem is you have essentially no recourse if they do decide to grade it this way. For a domestic book you can threaten the gaming commission and step in. For bovada you basically have to beg and they can just you to kick rocks.
That’s exactly what I’m saying. Now being that it’s bovada it’s definitely riskier than if another book did the same since you don’t have your gaming commission to fall back on but unless it was going to be a significant wager I’d personally still make the bet.
I tried a few different support representatives and they all said the same thing. Spelled out each time hypothetically scenarios and each rep said the same thing - it’s not the averages for the whole series, but each individual game.
I'm curious what made you ask them about this in the first place. It clearly should be average. I would never have even considered the possibility that it wasn't average. That's what 'points per game' has meant since the invention of basketball, and the odds reflect that also.
Because their series player prop line all end in a .5, like 25.5 points or 5.5 Rebs. Most books would have average series line set to 25.8 points or 5.3 rebounds. And the absence of the word “average” in any of the verbiage made me want to reach out for clarification before actually putting the bets in.
Makes sense. I looked at betUS and they also have everything as either x.5 or a whole number, but they do list them as "Series [stat] Average". Now I'm wondering why they do that when they could just as easily do .8 or whatever they need to set both sides of the bet equal odds
To echo others here, get off Bovada.
There is no benefit to using them. Truly, you are at a disadvantage using that site to bet vs any Sportsbook or bookie.
The benefit is that a lot of places are stuck with bovada, betus, betonline.
They are all pretty much the same.
It's not like everyone has the option to open an account on draftkings.
Yeah I would stick to bovada if you already made withdrawals. All of the options are very similar to each other.
Just don't keep a lot of money in your account.none or the options are perfect, But we are stuck with them.
Bovada prop builders are terrible and have been since forever. For example on pretty much every book Pritchard scoring more than 2.5 threes is around +400 but on bovada it will be +250. This goes for every line. Want Pat bev over 13.5 points? On any other book you'll get like +800 but on bovada you'll get +300. It's their way to fuck people over who are clueless.
Yeah, their prop builder is terrible, but I'm specifically talking about the props listed under "NBA Playoff Series Prices" and how misleading, predatory and criminal the odds are given how unclear their grading is on those respective bets.
PSA: Do not ever bet on Bovada
Blows my mind they somehow have a decent reputation when they’ve shown time and time again they’ll do anything they can to screw people over
I’ve used Bovada for the past 8 years, I’ve never had an issues that wasn’t cleared up speaking to a live chat agent. Also, it’s very good for crypto gamblers, so I don’t see it completely failing any time soon.
They have Hard Rock Bet in my state, but they don’t have esports, which are my bread n butter. Once they get that I’ll probably jump over.
Yeah that sucks. I havent used a offshore since 2020 but after Bovada banned me for going on a $1600 heater I went to Bookmaker and had no issues with them
Bruh why are people still using illegal books when literally dozens of legal options exist lol.
The legal sites are worse lol take hard rock bet for example
How are they worse lol? At least if they scam you the gaming commission will get you your money back.
Because some of us live in states where the legal options don’t exist hahaha
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Lmao you already know! So annoying being in Cali when it comes to sports betting. But honestly Bovada has been fairly easy for me - easy cash out to Coinbase, direct line to customer service at all times, no major scams when withdrawing. The main thing I can’t stand is the lack of promos!!
they used to have so many promos and great free spins and bonus offers but they changed for the worse in the past couple years
Exactly bro I’m legend level 2 and still don’t get any promos…they used to drop $50 and even $100 to me from time to time
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We’ll always find a way. Lol
There is a bet that is Luka to score 30+ on every game at +800
Fuck Bovada. Those sleazy shit stains intentionally make it as hard as possible to make a withdrawal from your account. I have just under $100 left in my account and I just want to close it. Their options are being paid in fucking bitcoins, or - LMFAO - paying them $100 to send a check for $98.36 by courier. My initial deposit was made with a debit card...there's no reason they can't send withdrawals back the same way, they already have the system in place for debit/ credit card transactions.
What’s wrong with btc?
Is bitcoin difficult for you?
I don't own bitcoin, I don't want bitcoin. I deposited American currency, and that's what I want back. Like I said, they already have the system in place to accept deposits via debit/credit cards, there's no reason they can't send withdrawals back the same way. They're purposely making people jump through hoop after hoop in the hopes that some of them will just give up trying to get their money out and they'll get to keep it.
I guess die on the hill then. I get it, it’s messed up. But they’re an illegal international casino. You shoulda accounted for that. I’d think you actually do understand there’s a plethora of reasons why they can take payment but not send it via traditional means … you do understand that right? Like you’re just messing around about not understanding that right? I’d suggest just taking bitcoin one time. You’ll lose like 5 bucks in fees. Move on and take business elsewhere. The time it took you to write this post, you coulda been paid. I agree they really shouldn’t accept payments that aren’t BTC though. It’s shitty that they do that. Very misleading.
Are you not able to get it in bitcoin? I think bovada is especially predatory but I’ve never had a problem withdrawing
BetOnline has been good to me Bovada banned me after winning $700 and they didn’t payout just refunded my deposit
I do not think you understand how Bovada works, or what Bovada is. You should STOP using it.
I'm not here to defend Bovada, b/c they do suck on some fronts. But the reason you can't withdraw via debit card is because getting transactions through to a black market offshore wagering operation like Bivada is a cat and mouse game in the post-UIGEA world. Channels that might allow for transactions at one point get shut down regularly. I have had success withdrawing from Bovada via bitcoin, but even that wasn't straightforward.
Mine has been pretty straight forward? I have never done noteworthy amounts but just copy and paste the wallet and it shows up within 6 hours or so. Then sell it on Coinbase or robinhood or whatever and transfer to checking. A few steps but none too hard.
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OK there’s like 100 different crypto apps so just use a different one
Welcome to the future old man. Haven’t bet is usd in like 5 years. lol It’s almost like you guys love being taxed.
lololol offshore book. OP could have just ended the title at "Bovada"
A lot if people aren't lucky enough to have legal sportsbook so this is really nice from OP
Not to mention, anyone who isn’t using offshores is missing out on a TON of profitable opportunities. Bovada has some serious EV lines on a daily basis
Yup. I think just over half the states allow online sports betting. Pretty massive market in the states for “black market” gambling.
Bovada lol,? American sports betting is a disgrace, can’t even play poker online unless in a certain state, freedom 😅
Ever heard of EV? 😆 if the expected value is negative... like this one obviously is .... then why would you even bet it ?
Lololol Would kill to see your total win/loss amount
Show us yours please. Next time you fantasize of a life you don’t live, I suggest you make a throwaway or wipe your old posts that gave your own personal identity away. It's wild talking this crazy with your occupation and actual income easily accessable. Don’t drop personal info on a profile that you want to role play as a big shot as you cuck yourself with reality. PS. Pay off those debts that are long in collections.
You do know sportsbooks can set whatever ridiculous odds they want right? Doesn't change the bet ? I'm really missing your point.... your grasping for straws because your mad you misread a bet. So if bovada puts luka 3's line at o/u 8.5 @ -110 .... does that somehow change the bet ? Or is that just horrible odds vs expected value ??? can you see what im saying ? Just admit you misread it , we ALL have lost money due to misreading ... I know I have ... I learned and moved on because I WAS WRONG.
Exactly pal you are wrong here I would really like to see your psychiatric evaluation and check ins at the asylum
bro are u on drugs
Why do I need to justify the odds? I simply read the bet.... Your proving my point that bovadas lines are complete garbage .... Im sorry you didn't read the bet first....
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Please ... point out where in the bet is the word average? 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣 😂
Bruh, parlaying Game 1: Luka o30.5 Game 2: Luka o30.5 Game 3: Luka o30.5 Game 4: Luka o30.5 is -115 in your mind? Not to mention potential games 5 ,6, and 7...
So then how do you justify -115 odds if each of those player props are for every single finals game instead of the average for the entire series? Jaylen Brown should be -115 to score over 1.5 3PM in every single finals game? Tatum should be -115 to get more than 10 rebounds in every finals game? Or conversely, Jaylen should be -125 to record under 6 Rebs in every finals game? The only logical way these odds make sense for these series player props is if it’s the average line for the entire series (i.e, Jaylen brown to average over 1.5 3PM, or Tatum to average o/u 10 Rebs for the series)
It's most likely a retard who doesn't understand a thing they do who created those bets. +110 odds is ridiculous because you can just take Luka to score over 30 points on it's own for around the same odds too
My thoughts exactly. OR what if actually meant is the averages for the entire series. So Luka to average o/u 30.5 for the series at those odds, but they’re saying it’s not his averages.
Yeah I don’t think the people you spoke with extensively had any idea what was going on. It makes no sense, there has to be rules you can read on series o/u in their tos.
I honestly think it has to be average points, and the person telling you it isn't is probably a fucking moron from an Indian call center. Id probably email someone up the chain to double check.
Guess I missed where you read "average" 😆
Would you set odds for “Luka to score more than 30.5 points in every game” at -115?
I would NEVER EVER bet this type of bet lololol I enjoy making money not loosing .... As stated by myself and many others , bovada lines are a complete joke. There is a reason they don't show up on oddsjam or similar sites . Wasn't making this post to.be a dick , was simply saying do more research. If your even looking at this line, let alone taking time to post about it.... your not even in the right mindset to be profitable sincerely- a guy up 42.35 units for NBA season
You’re missing the entire point of the post.
Mate he’s up 42 Units , he’s a professional. All bow to califax
Ohh no I got it , just seems like someone that just found sportsbetting and doesn't understand how to read lines... I wasn't confused at all.... lemme know how that goes for you with bovada support 😆 Down vote me to hell 😆 I'm sorry I thought this subreddit was for bettors not whiners
Not trying to be that guy , but the language doesn't seem confusing at all ... the fact your using bovada says it all , they are literally the worst... I wouldn't put a dime in that book ... lines are a joke and just take advantage of uneducated bettors that don't bother researching lines.
Not trying to be that guy , yet you reply multiple times with stupid smileys making a clown of Yourself lol. You’re most definitely **that** guy
You added amazing insight , thanks for playing
Thank you !!
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Wait till I tell you about Hard Rock. Bovada hasn't given me any issues in the half a decade or more I've been using them fwiw
It’s intentionally misleading and the odds reflect that. Jaylen Brown total Made 3 Point Shots Per Game - Over 1.5 ( -135) Jaylen Brown to record 2+ made threes in every game this series (+700) These two bets are functionally the same - JB needs to record 2+ 3PM in every finals game. Except one of those bets is worded differently and is drastically misprinted relative to the actual likelihood. Both of these bets are on the exact same Bovada page.
Yeah I agree. I don’t think that’s confusing at all. The example bet literally says “points per game”
"Points per game" is a ubiquitous phrase used not just in basketball but tons of sports. Show me any player stats, TV graphics or literally anything where "points per game" is used to denote reaching or not reaching the number *every* game. It is always an average. Bovada knew exactly what they were doing, and I say this as someone with limited legal sportsbook and frequently use Bovada.
It's not confusing, it is misleading
I mean agree to disagree. I don’t think it’s misleading either. It says “x points per game”, idk who would think that means average from the games.
>idk who would think that means average from the games. Uh, anybody that's ever looked up a player's stats on any sports site since the dawn of the internet? You think when you go to NBA.com and look up LeBron's stats and it says PPG (short for points per game since you might not get that): 25.7, it means he's somehow scored 25.7 points in every game?
You seem to be easily offended by online comments so I’ll go ahead and just say we can agree to disagree buddy.
I'm not offended, just shocked that someone would bet on sports with such limited knowledge of basic sports stats.
It’s really not that serious pal, relax!
The line is "total points per game". Go to the nba official website and look at the stats for any year's finals series. They will list any players PPG: THE AVERAGE OF POINTS THEY SCORED ACROSS ALL GAMES. That is the way 100% of people and computers understand that phrase to mean. Question for you. If Luka scores 44, 45, 38 and 60 points in a mavs sweep, and you truly believe their wording makes sense, what would you list his total points per game at for the resolution of this bet?
If their intention is Luka to score 30.5+ in each and every game for the over to hit, the over would not be priced at -115, it would be closer to +800. It’s intentionally misleading.
I’d quit Trying to Explain to the fools Who Don’t get this.
Seriously, some of these people are stupid as fuck. I'm grateful they bet. Someone has to keep the books solvent.
No, we get it. We just don’t agree. What we should stop doing is arguing with people who use Bovada lmao.
True haha
You right
I don’t use Bovada but I guarantee this is just a case of a clueless employee. Misinterpretation like this happens all the time when talking to CS even on regulated books. The employee you talked too is probably just at a call center in a third world country.
This might be true but the problem is you have essentially no recourse if they do decide to grade it this way. For a domestic book you can threaten the gaming commission and step in. For bovada you basically have to beg and they can just you to kick rocks.
Are you saying the Bovada employee was misinformed and was giving wrong information?
That’s exactly what I’m saying. Now being that it’s bovada it’s definitely riskier than if another book did the same since you don’t have your gaming commission to fall back on but unless it was going to be a significant wager I’d personally still make the bet.
I tried a few different support representatives and they all said the same thing. Spelled out each time hypothetically scenarios and each rep said the same thing - it’s not the averages for the whole series, but each individual game.
I'm curious what made you ask them about this in the first place. It clearly should be average. I would never have even considered the possibility that it wasn't average. That's what 'points per game' has meant since the invention of basketball, and the odds reflect that also.
Because their series player prop line all end in a .5, like 25.5 points or 5.5 Rebs. Most books would have average series line set to 25.8 points or 5.3 rebounds. And the absence of the word “average” in any of the verbiage made me want to reach out for clarification before actually putting the bets in.
Makes sense. I looked at betUS and they also have everything as either x.5 or a whole number, but they do list them as "Series [stat] Average". Now I'm wondering why they do that when they could just as easily do .8 or whatever they need to set both sides of the bet equal odds
Exactly. Most books wouldn’t have x.5, especially when the sample size is only 4-7 games. Tatum’s line at 2.5 3PM is a big difference than 2.9 or 2.1
I’ve never had any issues with Bovada but I also only bet single game sides, totals and props usually. What other offshore options are decent?
Never had an issues with bovada. Best esports book. I’m willing to say best live betting too
Same. Never had an issue with them even with bigger sized bets and withdrawing (with bitcoin) ~$2,3k
To echo others here, get off Bovada. There is no benefit to using them. Truly, you are at a disadvantage using that site to bet vs any Sportsbook or bookie.
The benefit is that a lot of places are stuck with bovada, betus, betonline. They are all pretty much the same. It's not like everyone has the option to open an account on draftkings.
What books what you recommend? There’s very limited options for offshore books.
Sportus, betonline, etc are all very very similar to bovada. Pretty much the same bonus and odds .
Haven’t heard of Sportus - I’ll give that a look. Regularly use BetOnline as well, but Bovada has more props and derivative markets.
Yeah I would stick to bovada if you already made withdrawals. All of the options are very similar to each other. Just don't keep a lot of money in your account.none or the options are perfect, But we are stuck with them.
What do you not like about bovada compared to other offshores?
Bovada is getting cease and desist mandates like they’re stylish. Stop using them.
Bovada prop builders are terrible and have been since forever. For example on pretty much every book Pritchard scoring more than 2.5 threes is around +400 but on bovada it will be +250. This goes for every line. Want Pat bev over 13.5 points? On any other book you'll get like +800 but on bovada you'll get +300. It's their way to fuck people over who are clueless.
Yeah, their prop builder is terrible, but I'm specifically talking about the props listed under "NBA Playoff Series Prices" and how misleading, predatory and criminal the odds are given how unclear their grading is on those respective bets.
just dont use bovada period besides moneyline
PSA: Do not ever bet on Bovada Blows my mind they somehow have a decent reputation when they’ve shown time and time again they’ll do anything they can to screw people over
I’ve used Bovada for the past 8 years, I’ve never had an issues that wasn’t cleared up speaking to a live chat agent. Also, it’s very good for crypto gamblers, so I don’t see it completely failing any time soon. They have Hard Rock Bet in my state, but they don’t have esports, which are my bread n butter. Once they get that I’ll probably jump over.
What’s kind of lines do you bet for esports on Bovada?
What have they done? Used them for years always quick withdraw process and never had an issue
Huh? I thought they had a pretty good reputation
People in non-legalized states (California or Texas) don't exact have much better options than Bovada or BetOnline.
Yeah that sucks. I havent used a offshore since 2020 but after Bovada banned me for going on a $1600 heater I went to Bookmaker and had no issues with them