Technically him and Palps.
But nobody in the Empire knew Palps was a Sith. I’m also fairly certain Tarkin knew Vader was Anakin, which could’ve been partially what he was referring to when he said that.
I love how by New Hope so many officers have seen Vader holding Ships in mid-air, choking through monitors and across the room and some are so terrified they see him as this Demon and then some still have the balls to say "You and your phony religion".... Tarkin should have let Vader finish him off
I love that in light of Clone Wars, Tarkin has been with Anakin as long as anyone. So his “Vader, release him!” Is basically a “C’mon, man, not cool” to his bestie.
Tarkin and Anakin did not really get along. Hell
Tarkin was the leading force to get Ahsoka arrested. Anakin just agreed with Tarkin on a few points. Besties? That’s a joke.
Nah, watch the arc where they meet again. I wanna say it was on Ryloth?
They were pretty tight from the jump. “The Jedi who knew too much” was awesome but EVERYONE was against Ahsoka from that point.
E2A: the “few points they agreed on” that you mentioned established alignment on fundamental political values, which beliefs helped to justify Anakin’s eventual disillusionment with and betrayal of the order. It’s hardly irrelevant to their ongoing partnership.
I never really got how the whole galaxy forgot about the Sith empire. Sure most of them died and it was a long time ago but they had video recordings back then. When I turn on some educational tv channel today, I will be told stuff about romans we got from them carving a few letters into stone walls and you are telling me they don't have holo channels that show anything BUT the crazy dudes that used to rule half the galaxy, shot lightning from their hands and enslaved a ton of people? How is it possible that even the mandalorians, who me know to keep track of their history never bothered with teaching the kids about the evil space wizards they used to work with/against. I mean they literally talk about the mandalorian war all the time and how the Jedi defeated them but they don't mention ONCE that the guy who did so turned evil and dominated half the known galaxy for a while?
Most of the galaxy seemed to forget about the Jedi in a single generation, never mind a thousand generations from the end of the last prime time of the [Sith](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/1032_BBY)
It's one of the more perplexing things about how civs in the Star Wars world act.
I suppose an irl modern parallel would be the Norman invasion of England, that's about the same time chronologically from the time of the invasion to the present day.
Despite having no way to record those events with anything approaching modern tech, they still handed down multiple historical first-hand accounts and, of course, the [Bayeux Tapestry](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayeux_Tapestry) which gives us insight into the events of the Battle of Hastings.
There should be a plethora of historical and cultural media relating to the Sith Empire and its impact on the galaxy, but Star Wars civs treat it like its a legend several thousand years before historical records even began.
The fact, that not EVERYONE worships the force is a miracle by itself. Who wouldn't start worshiping the religion that has monks proving its existence by making stuff hover with their mind and other mystical stuff?
Real talk. People worship someone who walked on water, and we're how many generations away from anybody who could possibly claim to have seen that happen?
Also Jesus and his prophets were pretty much the only people who performed miracles like that. The force can be welded by anyone with proper training, and with how many Jedi there were they surely wouldn't have been forgotten after just 1 generation.
The empire has the power to rewrite history books, but there would've been plenty of people who still remembered meeting Jedi and even seeing them use the force, heck, if Anakin's mom hadn't been killed, she may well have lived long enough to still remember. Some of these people might even try to connect with the force themselves, and who knows, they might succeed!
Also, let's not forget that the Jedi had their own sacred tomes and scriptures just like the Bible. They would've had much more scripture because their history is all over the galaxy. We have a whole Bible just from earth, but they have history on MANY planets, so surely the empire wouldn't have been able to destroy every copy, and there would be scriptures to be read about the Jedi.
My town has an entire room in our historical palace (palace might be an overstatement but that's what its called) dedicated to Napoleon visiting once and detailed accounts about how the dude slept at night and in what rooms he did what.
I would imagine someone would at least write about the time the space wizard lifted a 10 tons rock by looking at it funny and then cut off the other space wizards head while that one was shooting lightning at him, from his finger tips.
They didn’t forget about the Sith so much as believed they were extinct and didn’t really understand the difference between them and the Jedi to begin with
How can you not get the difference? The one are deeply chill and talk like hippies and the other have yellow eyes, probably murderd at least a handful civilians since coming to town and wear obviously evil black cloaks. They even color coded their weapons!
They didn't even recognize them during the republic either. I feel like the Jedi would have some weird anti Sith campaigns with info material at schools and on holo net shows, like christians do with satanic stuff.
Seems like the things a cult like that would do. Also the high council always bugged me. Who chooses who goes on the council? The council. Who is the leader of the council? The grand master. How long is he in office? Till his death. That would be a pretty long time for one person to hold a position like that, but then they go and pick the dude that lives like 900 years! If he got into power around the time he was in his prime, he would have had that job for maybe 15 generations.
15 generations of Jedi have to live according to the opinions of one old goblin! And he never bothers to learn to talk during this time! And because he lives longer then everyone else, he essentially gets to pick and choose new council members and over time create the ultimate echo chamber! Only him and Windu get to talk most of the time and then they don't even have a real discussions, they just say random sh\*t and in the end Yoda decides what they do.
And who would let this guy train the really young kids? Worst case scenario is that they start mimicking his stupid speech pattern, best case scenario is, that they don't understand a word he is saying because he keeps talking in weird cryptic riddles and only ever answers questions with more questions. These kids need a father figure not a philosopher-gremlin!
From the Relegion called jedi the young Vader was the last one, Palpatine a sith is, therefore a different religion, which makes old Skywalker the last of his religion.
Also I wouldn't have written this comment, if you would not state the old and way to common misconception of what tarkin said in episode 4.
Luke was told by Yoda that he would not be a Jedi until he defeated Vader.
A the time of Yoda's death, Luke was not a Jedi.
And after Luke cuts Vader down, he then declares himself a Jedi.
So, no :)
I think it's pretty safe to assume "joining the Sith" is pretty much an automatic excommunication from the Jedi order. May have to check the charter to be sure. But it seems like a safe bet.
Without anything official, how can we say he wasn't?
I'm going spirit of the law rather than letter of the law since no one knows what the letter is. They were going to kill the guy. In spirit, he was expelled. We don't know what the process of expulsion was so how can one argue he "technically" wasn't expelled when we don't explicitly know what the process entails?
You can't argue a technicality when the details are a mystery.
There is a difference between made up concepts of real things and made up stories of people that have never existed
Politics are "made up" but are a definition of a real thing. The Jedi Order on the other hand...
Well what if they wanted to kill him without expelling him? I dont think we can draw any conclusions here until there is clear evidence of yoda and obi wan agreeing to expel anakin
If he's dead, he's off the council. Expulsion is implicit in a death sentence.
I think the intentions of Obi Wan and Yoda are pretty clear in regards to his expulsion.
Their intentions, yes. If nothing else, they were planning to have him no longer be a member the council or the order on account of his death, but that didn't happen. Instead, the other two council members went into self-imposed exile.
While 2/3 of the remaining council members did meet each other, I don't think the council ever convened after order 66 took effect, and that could well be a required technicality to make Anakin's expulsion official. Of course, they could've done that later through a formal hologram conference.
Also, expulsion isn't necessarily implicit even in a death sentence. If Anakin wasn't also stripped of his titles, so to speak, then, had Obi-Wan carried out the execution to its completion, he would've died as: Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Knight and member of the Jedi Council.
Unless, of course, accepting a Sith title was considered to be a formal resignation from the Jedi Order. Which Anakin had already done by that point.
Maybe they wouldn't bother filling out the paperwork for someone they assumed was dead? Expulsion is implied in a death sentence. But, whatever, I guess we'll probably just have to agree to disagree.
We literally saw the process of expulsion in The Clone Wars. The entire council met, discussed, and made their decision. They then called her in and took her Padawan beads.
None of that happened to Anakin.
There could be a rule saying that joining the sith means immediate expulsion, which would actually make a lot of sense. We don't know anything for sure.
However, we should also take into consideration that "without anything official" he would not be promoted to anything either.
lol, did he? that's kinda hilarious. I'm imaging darth vader, alone in his chambers, with a single cupcake and candle to celebrate finally being a master.
Who would second his motion? What are the minimum numbers for a quorum? He better grab some of his Inquisitors if he wants to accomplish anything in Parliamentary procedure.
I think you just answered your own question? The Inquisitors are obviously a branch of the Jedi Council now, and I assume the sisters sit on said council.
I can remember seeing a picture from one of the comics where vader goes back into the jedi councils room, and grants himself the rank of master as the last surviving member. Im not sure wether that was a photoshop or actually what he said in the comic
I found [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarsmemes/comments/u9hm6j/vader_grants_himself_the_rank_of_master/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x).
It’s been memed, obviously, but maybe it was originally in that comic.
Order 66-ing the Jedi Order kind of seems like a convincing letter of resignation to me. Joining the Sith probably automatically means expulsion from the order. But I can also see Vader returning to the Jedi temple just to get Mace Windu's chair, taking it to Mustafar, setting up his own Jedi High Council chamber, and declaring himself Grand Master.
Idk why there is even a discussion when the Obi Wan show literally stated this verbatim. Anakin is dead, the person that was Anakin Skywalker no longer exists and therefore his rank and position with the council is gone. Darth Vader is the #2 sith Lord in the galaxy, you can't be a Jedi master and a sith Lord at the same time.
1) The Empire closed the Jedi Order and by extrnsion Jedi High Council.
1,5) Darth Vader never knew of Yoda’s death (at leats until he himself died). So he didn’t know this.
Pretty sure joining the Sith means automatically renouncing your membership in the Order. You can't be both (unless you can somehow keep the "dual membership" a secret). Once you out yourself as a Sith and the Order sends people to murder you, I'm pretty sure they have already excommunicated you with prejudice.
the Jedi council was accused of treason and dissolved and the Jedi were hunted down and executed. by default, if Vader even tried joking about being the grand master of the Jedi order he would be severely punished.
y'all don't remember Anakin telling Obi Wan "From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!"
it would be like saying that he is the grand dragon of the KKK
I was going to say that there are at least two council members still unaccounted for, but on looking it up, apparently Coleman Kcaj was confirmed to have been killed by inquisitors in 9 BBY, and Oppo Rancisis, while still unaccounted for, was actually the last council member to retire peacefully before the purge, his seat being taken by Anakin Skywalker.
He can't be both a sith and a Jedi,because he's a sith,and siths rule in absolutes, however, if he was a Jedi he could also be a sith since Jedi don't rule in absolutes B)
Well Darth isn’t the head of anything Jedi related as he’s now Sith, Anakin is, but he’s a little sore about that fact hence is identity crisis. He literally fucked it off and left it behind with his skin on Mustafar.
I think he submitted his resignation when he started killing them. Idk about your workplace but if I started killing my coworkers I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be considered an employee of the organization anymore
> Anakin is gone. I am what remains.
> You didn't kill Anakin Skywalker. I did.
Technically Obi-wan closed that loophole.
But….
—————————
LURE: I've accepted the truth that you were once Anakin Skywalker, my father.
VADER: That name no longer has any meaning for me.
LUKE: Oh, good. Because as the last surviving Jedi, Anakin Skywalker would be eligible to claim the mantle of Grand Master now that Yoda is dead.
VADER: *Gears turning*
…
EMPEROR: Now, young Skywalker...you will die.
*Vader throws Palpatine down the shaft*
VADER: PSYCH!!! You got played by Anakin Skywalker! Now, let’s go find a medic so I can claim my promotion.
a fight to the death with one of the leaders, and then getting all your limbs cut . Then he left you to burn alive in a volcano. I think it may count as an expulsion
I believe in one of the comic books he returns to the council room and says that since he is last surviving member of the council he grants himself the rank of master
Personally, I feel like Anakin tendered his resignation by marching into the temple with an army and stabbing a bunch of children.
That's just my opinion though.
Technically if you go against the teachings of the Jedi Order, you really don’t need an official notice of expulsion.
I can just imagine Vader dodging legal process servers from serving his expulsion documents.
Well, no because while Yoda was alive he trained Luke. Being a council member of a defunct temple and order doesn’t mean anything. Being on the council was a means to govern and lead, but without an order to lead he has no authority over anyone, which is to say he wasn’t on the council to anything.
I think it's save to say that he was automatically fired after his actions even if nobody said so.
That's like saying you still work at that company after betraying everyone and murdering their kids.
Learn to speak? Nah man Yoda speaks this way intentionally to make himself more wise. I don't have any problem with the character or how the council works, but yeah it could be better written.
Well, he was the last that was left of their religion
Technically him and Palps. But nobody in the Empire knew Palps was a Sith. I’m also fairly certain Tarkin knew Vader was Anakin, which could’ve been partially what he was referring to when he said that.
I love how by New Hope so many officers have seen Vader holding Ships in mid-air, choking through monitors and across the room and some are so terrified they see him as this Demon and then some still have the balls to say "You and your phony religion".... Tarkin should have let Vader finish him off
Remember orientation on the jolly old death star. Vader thinks he has the power to choke.
Truth is he doesn't. If he were ever to realize this he would kill us with his lightsaber.
Jeffery here will demonstrate how to pretend like you’re being killed by a force choke
Haha! Good show lad!
Lt. Leopold here has been strangled over 37 times
I love that in light of Clone Wars, Tarkin has been with Anakin as long as anyone. So his “Vader, release him!” Is basically a “C’mon, man, not cool” to his bestie.
Tarkin and Anakin did not really get along. Hell Tarkin was the leading force to get Ahsoka arrested. Anakin just agreed with Tarkin on a few points. Besties? That’s a joke.
Nah, watch the arc where they meet again. I wanna say it was on Ryloth? They were pretty tight from the jump. “The Jedi who knew too much” was awesome but EVERYONE was against Ahsoka from that point. E2A: the “few points they agreed on” that you mentioned established alignment on fundamental political values, which beliefs helped to justify Anakin’s eventual disillusionment with and betrayal of the order. It’s hardly irrelevant to their ongoing partnership.
Tarkin knew, says so in his book.
Yeah I remember that. I haven’t read it in like 5 years
I never really got how the whole galaxy forgot about the Sith empire. Sure most of them died and it was a long time ago but they had video recordings back then. When I turn on some educational tv channel today, I will be told stuff about romans we got from them carving a few letters into stone walls and you are telling me they don't have holo channels that show anything BUT the crazy dudes that used to rule half the galaxy, shot lightning from their hands and enslaved a ton of people? How is it possible that even the mandalorians, who me know to keep track of their history never bothered with teaching the kids about the evil space wizards they used to work with/against. I mean they literally talk about the mandalorian war all the time and how the Jedi defeated them but they don't mention ONCE that the guy who did so turned evil and dominated half the known galaxy for a while?
Most of the galaxy seemed to forget about the Jedi in a single generation, never mind a thousand generations from the end of the last prime time of the [Sith](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/1032_BBY) It's one of the more perplexing things about how civs in the Star Wars world act. I suppose an irl modern parallel would be the Norman invasion of England, that's about the same time chronologically from the time of the invasion to the present day. Despite having no way to record those events with anything approaching modern tech, they still handed down multiple historical first-hand accounts and, of course, the [Bayeux Tapestry](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayeux_Tapestry) which gives us insight into the events of the Battle of Hastings. There should be a plethora of historical and cultural media relating to the Sith Empire and its impact on the galaxy, but Star Wars civs treat it like its a legend several thousand years before historical records even began.
The fact, that not EVERYONE worships the force is a miracle by itself. Who wouldn't start worshiping the religion that has monks proving its existence by making stuff hover with their mind and other mystical stuff?
Real talk. People worship someone who walked on water, and we're how many generations away from anybody who could possibly claim to have seen that happen?
Also Jesus and his prophets were pretty much the only people who performed miracles like that. The force can be welded by anyone with proper training, and with how many Jedi there were they surely wouldn't have been forgotten after just 1 generation. The empire has the power to rewrite history books, but there would've been plenty of people who still remembered meeting Jedi and even seeing them use the force, heck, if Anakin's mom hadn't been killed, she may well have lived long enough to still remember. Some of these people might even try to connect with the force themselves, and who knows, they might succeed! Also, let's not forget that the Jedi had their own sacred tomes and scriptures just like the Bible. They would've had much more scripture because their history is all over the galaxy. We have a whole Bible just from earth, but they have history on MANY planets, so surely the empire wouldn't have been able to destroy every copy, and there would be scriptures to be read about the Jedi.
My town has an entire room in our historical palace (palace might be an overstatement but that's what its called) dedicated to Napoleon visiting once and detailed accounts about how the dude slept at night and in what rooms he did what. I would imagine someone would at least write about the time the space wizard lifted a 10 tons rock by looking at it funny and then cut off the other space wizards head while that one was shooting lightning at him, from his finger tips.
They didn’t forget about the Sith so much as believed they were extinct and didn’t really understand the difference between them and the Jedi to begin with
How can you not get the difference? The one are deeply chill and talk like hippies and the other have yellow eyes, probably murderd at least a handful civilians since coming to town and wear obviously evil black cloaks. They even color coded their weapons!
I would imagine it would be both sides wanting to do hush campaigns to try and ensure the other couldn’t exist and gain new followers
Idk about how that happened in the prequels era, but after the empire they did tightly control online media
They didn't even recognize them during the republic either. I feel like the Jedi would have some weird anti Sith campaigns with info material at schools and on holo net shows, like christians do with satanic stuff. Seems like the things a cult like that would do. Also the high council always bugged me. Who chooses who goes on the council? The council. Who is the leader of the council? The grand master. How long is he in office? Till his death. That would be a pretty long time for one person to hold a position like that, but then they go and pick the dude that lives like 900 years! If he got into power around the time he was in his prime, he would have had that job for maybe 15 generations. 15 generations of Jedi have to live according to the opinions of one old goblin! And he never bothers to learn to talk during this time! And because he lives longer then everyone else, he essentially gets to pick and choose new council members and over time create the ultimate echo chamber! Only him and Windu get to talk most of the time and then they don't even have a real discussions, they just say random sh\*t and in the end Yoda decides what they do. And who would let this guy train the really young kids? Worst case scenario is that they start mimicking his stupid speech pattern, best case scenario is, that they don't understand a word he is saying because he keeps talking in weird cryptic riddles and only ever answers questions with more questions. These kids need a father figure not a philosopher-gremlin!
Palpatine was never a jedi
From the Relegion called jedi the young Vader was the last one, Palpatine a sith is, therefore a different religion, which makes old Skywalker the last of his religion. Also I wouldn't have written this comment, if you would not state the old and way to common misconception of what tarkin said in episode 4.
Palpa was not a member of jedi council so the succession rules do not apply.
Uh Luke, no?
Luke was told by Yoda that he would not be a Jedi until he defeated Vader. A the time of Yoda's death, Luke was not a Jedi. And after Luke cuts Vader down, he then declares himself a Jedi. So, no :)
I see, thanks for clarifying!
Cal Kestis, Sere or however you spell her name, Ahsoka, Kota (idk if hes canon),
Still not a master
#GRAND ^master
Only a master of evil darth
If you *strike* me down 😏 I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine
This now hits in a different way 😂 Obi-Wan trolling Anakin.
I never looked at it like that
Grand Knight
#GROND ######master
Grond
Grond
Grond
Grond
Gonk
Gronk
Gronkh
Hallöchen Poppöchen
in the background: "you're doing it wrong"
Groundmaster
[High ground master](https://youtube.com/shorts/MUnCXBTW1x4?feature=share)
oof. burn! (pun intended)
Roll a D20! Oh Zero???
This is outrageous. It's unfair!
GRAND Member of the Council and not the rank of Master Still an upgrade tho
You don't think that the two surviving council members attempting an execution in response to his crimes is tantamount to an expulsion?
I think it's pretty safe to assume "joining the Sith" is pretty much an automatic excommunication from the Jedi order. May have to check the charter to be sure. But it seems like a safe bet.
technically if they never said he was expelled it doesn't count
Based on the rules you just made up, or what? What do you mean "technically"?
Without anything official, how can we say he was expelled?
Without anything official, how can we say he wasn't? I'm going spirit of the law rather than letter of the law since no one knows what the letter is. They were going to kill the guy. In spirit, he was expelled. We don't know what the process of expulsion was so how can one argue he "technically" wasn't expelled when we don't explicitly know what the process entails? You can't argue a technicality when the details are a mystery.
Y’all know you two are arguing about something made up right?
Most arguments are about things humans made up tbf. It's not like whales were bitching about politics on Twitter before people were around.
There is a difference between made up concepts of real things and made up stories of people that have never existed Politics are "made up" but are a definition of a real thing. The Jedi Order on the other hand...
So, what? Debates about fake shit can be fun. But, I guess we can't all be as cool as you.
Well what if they wanted to kill him without expelling him? I dont think we can draw any conclusions here until there is clear evidence of yoda and obi wan agreeing to expel anakin
If he's dead, he's off the council. Expulsion is implicit in a death sentence. I think the intentions of Obi Wan and Yoda are pretty clear in regards to his expulsion.
Their intentions, yes. If nothing else, they were planning to have him no longer be a member the council or the order on account of his death, but that didn't happen. Instead, the other two council members went into self-imposed exile. While 2/3 of the remaining council members did meet each other, I don't think the council ever convened after order 66 took effect, and that could well be a required technicality to make Anakin's expulsion official. Of course, they could've done that later through a formal hologram conference. Also, expulsion isn't necessarily implicit even in a death sentence. If Anakin wasn't also stripped of his titles, so to speak, then, had Obi-Wan carried out the execution to its completion, he would've died as: Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Knight and member of the Jedi Council. Unless, of course, accepting a Sith title was considered to be a formal resignation from the Jedi Order. Which Anakin had already done by that point.
Agreed, but until there is evidence to say that he was officially expelled in writing, I have no reason to be convinced that he was expelled.
Maybe they wouldn't bother filling out the paperwork for someone they assumed was dead? Expulsion is implied in a death sentence. But, whatever, I guess we'll probably just have to agree to disagree.
Implications vs technicality are not the same thing.
Was asohkas expulsion written? It was a group decision.
We literally saw the process of expulsion in The Clone Wars. The entire council met, discussed, and made their decision. They then called her in and took her Padawan beads. None of that happened to Anakin.
It's a little hard to do that when most of them are dead or in the process of dying.
Which is the point that /u/LordCads was trying to make. Because it was kinda impossible to meet to do the thing, the thing was technically never done.
That was the process of expulsion from the order. We've never seen expulsion from the council.
There could be a rule saying that joining the sith means immediate expulsion, which would actually make a lot of sense. We don't know anything for sure. However, we should also take into consideration that "without anything official" he would not be promoted to anything either.
Without anything official he was never even a Master and "technically" can't become a Grandmaster.
I'd find it odd if you could be both a Sith and a Jedi at the same time.
Technically they never said he was expelled *on screen*.
I. Declare. Expulsion!
Ok we never see him poop, is he constipated for 60 years? No, we just understand stuff happens offscreen
they were dead before they could say it
Take a seat, young OP. Anakin is on the councIl, but he was never granted the rank of master.
As the last living member of the jedi Council, he can appoint himself the rank of master
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And he did in a comic
lol, did he? that's kinda hilarious. I'm imaging darth vader, alone in his chambers, with a single cupcake and candle to celebrate finally being a master.
[heavy breathing] Suck it windu I AM a master
That’s kind of what happened actually he just walked in and said guess what bitches your all dead so I unanimously grant myself that rank of master
Who would second his motion? What are the minimum numbers for a quorum? He better grab some of his Inquisitors if he wants to accomplish anything in Parliamentary procedure.
I think you just answered your own question? The Inquisitors are obviously a branch of the Jedi Council now, and I assume the sisters sit on said council.
"You are head of the council, but we still do not grant you the rank of master, Grand Knight Skywalker." -Mace Windu's Ghost
So he was the grand of the order
Grand Member
That's what my wife calls it... My nose. I'm referring to my nose. It's huge. Unlike other things.
I can remember seeing a picture from one of the comics where vader goes back into the jedi councils room, and grants himself the rank of master as the last surviving member. Im not sure wether that was a photoshop or actually what he said in the comic
I found [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarsmemes/comments/u9hm6j/vader_grants_himself_the_rank_of_master/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x). It’s been memed, obviously, but maybe it was originally in that comic.
Thats probably what i saw yea, and then my brain turned it into a comic
It's canon now, nothing we can do about it. ^(At least my new headcanon)
Same
Hence Vader saying “now *I* am the master”
Order 66-ing the Jedi Order kind of seems like a convincing letter of resignation to me. Joining the Sith probably automatically means expulsion from the order. But I can also see Vader returning to the Jedi temple just to get Mace Windu's chair, taking it to Mustafar, setting up his own Jedi High Council chamber, and declaring himself Grand Master.
Yeah, don't think killing everyone I work with therefore makes me the boss. Promotion isn't automatic when someone dies.
If you consider the jedi order something militaristic then promotion could be automatic with the death of their superior.
Not really becausw Vader is a Dark Lord of the Sith, he's not Anakin anymore
Idk why there is even a discussion when the Obi Wan show literally stated this verbatim. Anakin is dead, the person that was Anakin Skywalker no longer exists and therefore his rank and position with the council is gone. Darth Vader is the #2 sith Lord in the galaxy, you can't be a Jedi master and a sith Lord at the same time.
Well technically Anakin died, Vader is whats left
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Only the Sith deal in absolutes.
So you're Sith then? Because that's an absolute.
Wait so Luke learned that Plagueis stuff to bring Anakin back?
Um, no? He resigned when he turned to the dark side and became Darth Vader.
Grand Knight of the Jedi Order Still no master for him
1) The Empire closed the Jedi Order and by extrnsion Jedi High Council. 1,5) Darth Vader never knew of Yoda’s death (at leats until he himself died). So he didn’t know this.
Grand seat haver
Vader actually made himself master in one of the comics
Vader: "But....wait. If I destroyed the Order, then I am the Grand Master of *nothing* ! NOOOOOOOOOOO!"
I think murdering scores of children kicks you off the council by default.
From a certain point of view
He wasn't expelled by the jedi order. He expelled the jedi order.
Pretty sure joining the Sith means automatically renouncing your membership in the Order. You can't be both (unless you can somehow keep the "dual membership" a secret). Once you out yourself as a Sith and the Order sends people to murder you, I'm pretty sure they have already excommunicated you with prejudice.
the Jedi council was accused of treason and dissolved and the Jedi were hunted down and executed. by default, if Vader even tried joking about being the grand master of the Jedi order he would be severely punished. y'all don't remember Anakin telling Obi Wan "From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!" it would be like saying that he is the grand dragon of the KKK
He was grand but not a master
I was going to say that there are at least two council members still unaccounted for, but on looking it up, apparently Coleman Kcaj was confirmed to have been killed by inquisitors in 9 BBY, and Oppo Rancisis, while still unaccounted for, was actually the last council member to retire peacefully before the purge, his seat being taken by Anakin Skywalker.
I feel like he submitted a strongly worded resignation letter
Pretty sure he resigned when he murdered his coleagues
Once he killed all the yuenglings he was officially expelled from the rank of master at the local AA chapter
Pretty sure you get an automatic dispell when you sashimi some younglings.
No no. Yarael Poof, the lunch lady of the Death Star claims this title.
Darth Vader actually went to the old council room and appointed himself the rank of master.
What? He left. He declared war on the Jedi and started wiping them out.
Nope… Grand Council Member
Wasn't there a comic where he visits the temple and says that as the last surviving council member, he grants himself master rank?
He can't be both a sith and a Jedi,because he's a sith,and siths rule in absolutes, however, if he was a Jedi he could also be a sith since Jedi don't rule in absolutes B)
If only he had realized.
The long game
And yet he still wasn't granted the title of jedi master
You need to be a master to be a grand master bro.
Yea he wasnt expelled! He just killed all of them!
He was the “Grand of the Jedi Order”
And then he dies... But at least he got to be Grand Master before that.
i believe empire did resolve jedi order
The true reason he turned to the light
What about obi wan?
Grand master for a day
Windu's force Ghost: "You lead this Jedi Order, but we do not confer upon you the rank of Grand Master."
No, he just becomes a Grand council member
I do believe that there might be an automatic expulsion system if someone turns out to be a sith. Or commits treason against the Jedi Council
Wait, Yoda died!? I thought he was chilling in a swamp with the force ghosts
Uhh, no Vader is a sith, and it is expelled from the Jedi order by default making Luke the only one eligible for the rank of master
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I would take him slaughtering them at the temple to be his resignation
Well he pledged alligance and to Palpatine, who leads the sith, so he kinda left the Jedi order himself
You kinda get an automatic exile once you murder kids.
When I left you, I was but the learner. Now I am the master.
Well Darth isn’t the head of anything Jedi related as he’s now Sith, Anakin is, but he’s a little sore about that fact hence is identity crisis. He literally fucked it off and left it behind with his skin on Mustafar.
I think he submitted his resignation when he started killing them. Idk about your workplace but if I started killing my coworkers I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be considered an employee of the organization anymore
Enters a security council meetings Starts killing them for the enemy
> Anakin is gone. I am what remains. > You didn't kill Anakin Skywalker. I did. Technically Obi-wan closed that loophole. But…. ————————— LURE: I've accepted the truth that you were once Anakin Skywalker, my father. VADER: That name no longer has any meaning for me. LUKE: Oh, good. Because as the last surviving Jedi, Anakin Skywalker would be eligible to claim the mantle of Grand Master now that Yoda is dead. VADER: *Gears turning* … EMPEROR: Now, young Skywalker...you will die. *Vader throws Palpatine down the shaft* VADER: PSYCH!!! You got played by Anakin Skywalker! Now, let’s go find a medic so I can claim my promotion.
“He didn’t technically quit his job at McDonalds, but he did shit in the deep fryer on his last day before he left to go work at Arby’s.”
By default, its basically losing
And then he gives the job to his son! Fucking nepotism!
Anakin was never a Jedi master and was not the last surviving Jedi after order 66.
well he never was master so he would be "the grand jedi of the jedi order"
Lmao
a fight to the death with one of the leaders, and then getting all your limbs cut . Then he left you to burn alive in a volcano. I think it may count as an expulsion
I believe in one of the comic books he returns to the council room and says that since he is last surviving member of the council he grants himself the rank of master
Maybe for like an hour 🙄😬
I thought, that killing every Jedi you find and joining Sith counts as resignation
If only younglings added Grand prefix, they might have had survived. Remember kids, use appropriate titles to entitled pricks!
I would say butchering their padawans and masters counts as resigning but cute
Grand Master of a pile of corpses and rubble maybe.
Vader: maybe I don’t want to be the bad guy anymore!
Execute Order 66
Personally, I feel like Anakin tendered his resignation by marching into the temple with an army and stabbing a bunch of children. That's just my opinion though.
He is just the Grand, no rank of master for him…
Call the space layers!
Wait Darth Vader is Anakin Skywalker?
Huge upgrade
Vader is not Anakin, remember, he killed Anakin. Plus, Anakin was never granted the title of master.
Gotta be a Master, first.
Technically if you go against the teachings of the Jedi Order, you really don’t need an official notice of expulsion. I can just imagine Vader dodging legal process servers from serving his expulsion documents.
Well, no because while Yoda was alive he trained Luke. Being a council member of a defunct temple and order doesn’t mean anything. Being on the council was a means to govern and lead, but without an order to lead he has no authority over anyone, which is to say he wasn’t on the council to anything.
I think joining the Sith is resigning from the Jedi order.
Unless mace is still lurking
I think it's save to say that he was automatically fired after his actions even if nobody said so. That's like saying you still work at that company after betraying everyone and murdering their kids.
he didn't stay as the grand master for long then.
Learn to speak? Nah man Yoda speaks this way intentionally to make himself more wise. I don't have any problem with the character or how the council works, but yeah it could be better written.
We don’t know if yaddle actually died tho so I’m gonna say it’s her
I have bad news, watch tales of the Jedi 😬
She just disappeared (albeit whilst in possession of a bomb) that’s better odds than falling into a fusion reactor and surviving right?
That wasn’t what happened to her in Tales of the Jedi
My sweet summer child...
The two most beautiful words in the English language.
Let's talk about that I funny watermark
This is the true crime
Still not a master tho.
As the last member he can appoint himself
Touché