I just got my 2024 Jetta Sport. It does do what the OP describes, but I don't think it's as dramatic as stated. It's more like a bump from 900 to 1100 rpm and it doesn't feel like a dumbing-down type of feature. It seems intertwined with these engines having low-end torque and maybe it's to make it feel more like a diesel?
I'd also mention that you'll still be adding throttle despite this "feature" unless you're parallel parking or something--so it doesn't bother me anywhere near as much as the hill hold (which apparently can be disabled using VCDS)
I have not found a way to disable that part where it does give it a bit of RPM while releasing the clutch but I have found a way to disable that god awful Hill Assist with ODB11.
That sounds maddening. There must be a way to disable that. I don't know how I'd deal with the car fighting me. If I want to stall the car, that's my problem.
If you are already adding the gas from a stop, it won't matter. I've driven some new manuals, and they have a lot of features to help new manual drivers, and although not for me, I appreciate any new members to our dying community.
So, IF I’m adding 1k-1500 rpm blips when starting; does it still add throttle? Also WHEN does it add it? Lots of anti stall features are annoying as hell honestly
Wouldn't bother me too much. What I hated in the Hyundai and Nissans I rented was the weird exponential brakes. I much prefer a more liner braking feel where you can modulate them and have fine control and trail brake properly into corners. Those rentals were a nightmare, on or off with very little in between.
I prefer older cars too. My 2004 MX5 doesn't even have ABS and I can feel the tires stretch and scrub at the edge of traction when braking and cornering. My F56 mini has nice brakes, but lacks a lot of feel, ABS kicks in a tad too soon for my liking too. There is still probably another 5% more traction left when braking hard.
Pretty sure it can be disabled... BUT not by onboard menus.
Pretty sure you'll need an OBD11 tool, plug into to the OBD port under the dash. You can go in and do some reprogrmming on the settings. Change stuff like what you're describing, disable the revhang, hill assist, etc.
Good luck... s*** like that on a modern vehicle would drive me nucking futz. I drive raw, unassisted vehicles. They respond exactly to input you give them with no computer interference.
Omg it really sucks especially coming from a raw WRX manual. Main reason we need a manual is to experience the car and feel it.
Can we disable it in some kind of a setting ?
We talked about this the other day: https://old.reddit.com/r/stickshift/comments/1czxgsq/its_basically_impossible_to_stall_my_new_stick/
Part of my hypothesis is that it isn't that this is a dumb-down feature, but that the Jetta engine has a lot of low-end torque and maybe that's an artifact? as in lower torqued engines also try to increase throttle in response to being bogged down, and it's just that a high-torque engine is less likely to stall so you notice it?
I enjoy the auto rev match in my Corolla hatchback 6MT. I'm 42 yo, so I'm not old/lazy enough to want an automatic, but I'm too old/lazy to heal toe in a car with widely spaced pedals.
I'm not Tom Brady. Age caught up to me. I could pull my back out, forcing a fart. 😆
Did it happen when the car was warm? My mazda 3 only increases rpm early when you turn on the car to warm up. It makes getting a smooth start in the cold a bit funny sometimes because I forgot.
It’s anti stall, probably has a clutch assist spring thing too if I were to bet. MAYBE you can disable the anti stall with a tune or some setting, but most likely it’s just programmed into the ECU
Why do you want the car coddling you every step of the way? I have no trouble with my 53 year old points fired carb fed Chevy truck so why does a fairly new Volkswagen with 3x the horsepower, 2x the torque, and a much healthier clutch need to be babied by the ECU?
It's not that. I don't like the computers either. It's just like, if I'm crawling and I press the brake too much, I don't want to get honked at.
To clarify, you're talking about getting the car going, right? All my cars have added a tiny bit of gas once you're already crawling if you hold the brake but they will happily let you stall when getting the car moving. They don't add gas other than the car idling trying to keep RPM at 600.
Although, I will note sometimes my Camaro idles below 600 RPM and I have to tap the gas to get it up. Weird.
> To clarify, you're talking about getting the car going, right?
Yeah and that's what I'm figuring OP is asking about as well. A lot of modern manual equipped cars are literally programmed from the factory to do stuff like that. They'll raise the revs a bit if they think you're taking off, they'll rev match for you between shifts whether you like it or not.
These days I'm assuming most people who buy a manual do it more from an enthusiast's point of view and enthusiasts buying manual generally don't want their car doing anything for them.
I tried a friend's modern manual car - I didn't mind the hill assist at all, but man the automatic attempts to rev match drove me crazy. It fucks with engine braking too, and at least on his car, the only way to disable it was to fully disable traction control.
I kept my 2010 car that has no modern stuff at all and just got a 2024 Jetta as well. This throttle thing doesn't bother me, but the hill start assist does. I'm still not convinced that the throttle thing is an assist feature vs. this engine's torque being such that it's more likely to survive a near-miss with the clutch when stopped and in 1st, i.e. all ECUs open throttle in response to the engine getting bogged down but less-torquey ones stall before it's able to help (but that's just my hypothesis).
It looks like hill assist can be disabled but I'm not going to do it just yet as I don't even have 1000 miles on the odometer yet. The most "getting used to" thing is actually the less forceful engine braking which on another thread, people suggested was the small (1.5L) displacement and lower compression ratio due to the turbocharger. Overall I'm pretty happy with it especially when other cars have "auto rev matching" (tho I think you can usually disable that through a standard feature in the car).
> These days I'm assuming most people who buy a manual do it more from an enthusiast's point of view and enthusiasts buying manual generally don't want their car doing anything for them.
Do you think these features get developed for the European market, where manual is still popular and is the budget option, then brought over to the US on the remaining manual cars whether we want them or not? Or are they homegrown as "high-tech" on sports cars and thought by the manufacturers as being appealing?
Don't be daft. It's an annoying feature especially when trying to crawl slowly through parking lots or traffic. Sometimes mine will do that and I'm trying to idle but the thing goes to high idle so instead of 5 mph it wants me to do 12 so I have to ride the clutch or brake.
And yet, if I drive a vehicle with that feature, I still notice it. Perhaps, then, it isn't a skill issue, but an interference issue? Perhaps, then, I know the damn engine better than its own computer does? Perhaps, then, I simply don't want my vehicle doing anything for me?!
Half the point of driving manual is to escape automation so why the fuck would I want more automation put back in? That sort of stupid shit is a large part of why I wholesale reject all vehicles with a computer in their dash.
[Here's some footage of me driving that C10](https://youtu.be/vAgDWYU-6SA). Literally only the 3rd time it moved under its own power since 2003, so I'm still getting used to the powerband. Clutch is shot, too, only operates on the upper third of the pedal and the adjustment is maxed out. You wanna keep saying it's a skill issue when I can drive this thing just fine and still find hill start assists annoying AF?
Hill isn't isn't anti stall. I agree that hill assist is often intrusive, but that uses the brake pedal.
Anti stall shouldn't trigger unless you start to stall.
I tend to not add throttle until the clutch begins to bite. Not my fault ECUs of modern engines freak out and lose their shit because the engine has a load on it below 1,000RPM...
Fun fact my automatic 14 Challenger has hill start assist as well. Why? Fucked if I know. Stellantis laziness perhaps, or maybe ineptitude who knows. I disabled it. Don't fucking need it on an automatic. Hell I don't even need it on a manual, I know how to heel and toe I can hill start fine without it.
It's programmed to do that. Part of why I don't like modern cars...they do way too much for you.
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I just got my 2024 Jetta Sport. It does do what the OP describes, but I don't think it's as dramatic as stated. It's more like a bump from 900 to 1100 rpm and it doesn't feel like a dumbing-down type of feature. It seems intertwined with these engines having low-end torque and maybe it's to make it feel more like a diesel? I'd also mention that you'll still be adding throttle despite this "feature" unless you're parallel parking or something--so it doesn't bother me anywhere near as much as the hill hold (which apparently can be disabled using VCDS)
Boy, that sounds weird.
I have not found a way to disable that part where it does give it a bit of RPM while releasing the clutch but I have found a way to disable that god awful Hill Assist with ODB11.
This guy living in the future when we're all stuck with OBD2.
Lol it's a tool that allows you to do programming to Volkswagens https://obdeleven.com
I'm stunned lol The future is now.
That sounds maddening. There must be a way to disable that. I don't know how I'd deal with the car fighting me. If I want to stall the car, that's my problem.
If you are already adding the gas from a stop, it won't matter. I've driven some new manuals, and they have a lot of features to help new manual drivers, and although not for me, I appreciate any new members to our dying community.
So, IF I’m adding 1k-1500 rpm blips when starting; does it still add throttle? Also WHEN does it add it? Lots of anti stall features are annoying as hell honestly
Wouldn't bother me too much. What I hated in the Hyundai and Nissans I rented was the weird exponential brakes. I much prefer a more liner braking feel where you can modulate them and have fine control and trail brake properly into corners. Those rentals were a nightmare, on or off with very little in between. I prefer older cars too. My 2004 MX5 doesn't even have ABS and I can feel the tires stretch and scrub at the edge of traction when braking and cornering. My F56 mini has nice brakes, but lacks a lot of feel, ABS kicks in a tad too soon for my liking too. There is still probably another 5% more traction left when braking hard.
Pretty sure it can be disabled... BUT not by onboard menus. Pretty sure you'll need an OBD11 tool, plug into to the OBD port under the dash. You can go in and do some reprogrmming on the settings. Change stuff like what you're describing, disable the revhang, hill assist, etc. Good luck... s*** like that on a modern vehicle would drive me nucking futz. I drive raw, unassisted vehicles. They respond exactly to input you give them with no computer interference.
Omg it really sucks especially coming from a raw WRX manual. Main reason we need a manual is to experience the car and feel it. Can we disable it in some kind of a setting ?
It does blip the RPM’s a little, but it’s a tiny amount; it barely makes a difference. You’re making a mountain out of a molehill.
We talked about this the other day: https://old.reddit.com/r/stickshift/comments/1czxgsq/its_basically_impossible_to_stall_my_new_stick/ Part of my hypothesis is that it isn't that this is a dumb-down feature, but that the Jetta engine has a lot of low-end torque and maybe that's an artifact? as in lower torqued engines also try to increase throttle in response to being bogged down, and it's just that a high-torque engine is less likely to stall so you notice it?
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Not sure what yall are talking about but Golf R / GTI / GLI don’t have auto rev matching
It might be doing that for dual mass flywheel resonance reasons, not to baby you.
I enjoy the auto rev match in my Corolla hatchback 6MT. I'm 42 yo, so I'm not old/lazy enough to want an automatic, but I'm too old/lazy to heal toe in a car with widely spaced pedals. I'm not Tom Brady. Age caught up to me. I could pull my back out, forcing a fart. 😆
Did it happen when the car was warm? My mazda 3 only increases rpm early when you turn on the car to warm up. It makes getting a smooth start in the cold a bit funny sometimes because I forgot.
It’s anti stall, probably has a clutch assist spring thing too if I were to bet. MAYBE you can disable the anti stall with a tune or some setting, but most likely it’s just programmed into the ECU
Why do you want the car to stall?
Why do you want the car coddling you every step of the way? I have no trouble with my 53 year old points fired carb fed Chevy truck so why does a fairly new Volkswagen with 3x the horsepower, 2x the torque, and a much healthier clutch need to be babied by the ECU?
It's not that. I don't like the computers either. It's just like, if I'm crawling and I press the brake too much, I don't want to get honked at. To clarify, you're talking about getting the car going, right? All my cars have added a tiny bit of gas once you're already crawling if you hold the brake but they will happily let you stall when getting the car moving. They don't add gas other than the car idling trying to keep RPM at 600. Although, I will note sometimes my Camaro idles below 600 RPM and I have to tap the gas to get it up. Weird.
> To clarify, you're talking about getting the car going, right? Yeah and that's what I'm figuring OP is asking about as well. A lot of modern manual equipped cars are literally programmed from the factory to do stuff like that. They'll raise the revs a bit if they think you're taking off, they'll rev match for you between shifts whether you like it or not. These days I'm assuming most people who buy a manual do it more from an enthusiast's point of view and enthusiasts buying manual generally don't want their car doing anything for them.
I tried a friend's modern manual car - I didn't mind the hill assist at all, but man the automatic attempts to rev match drove me crazy. It fucks with engine braking too, and at least on his car, the only way to disable it was to fully disable traction control.
I kept my 2010 car that has no modern stuff at all and just got a 2024 Jetta as well. This throttle thing doesn't bother me, but the hill start assist does. I'm still not convinced that the throttle thing is an assist feature vs. this engine's torque being such that it's more likely to survive a near-miss with the clutch when stopped and in 1st, i.e. all ECUs open throttle in response to the engine getting bogged down but less-torquey ones stall before it's able to help (but that's just my hypothesis). It looks like hill assist can be disabled but I'm not going to do it just yet as I don't even have 1000 miles on the odometer yet. The most "getting used to" thing is actually the less forceful engine braking which on another thread, people suggested was the small (1.5L) displacement and lower compression ratio due to the turbocharger. Overall I'm pretty happy with it especially when other cars have "auto rev matching" (tho I think you can usually disable that through a standard feature in the car).
> These days I'm assuming most people who buy a manual do it more from an enthusiast's point of view and enthusiasts buying manual generally don't want their car doing anything for them. Do you think these features get developed for the European market, where manual is still popular and is the budget option, then brought over to the US on the remaining manual cars whether we want them or not? Or are they homegrown as "high-tech" on sports cars and thought by the manufacturers as being appealing?
I can't even begin to guess. All I know is I don't want any of it on my car.
If you weren't shit at driving stick you wouldn't notice.
Don't be daft. It's an annoying feature especially when trying to crawl slowly through parking lots or traffic. Sometimes mine will do that and I'm trying to idle but the thing goes to high idle so instead of 5 mph it wants me to do 12 so I have to ride the clutch or brake.
I seem to have no trouble driving a 3 on the Tree that's 19 years older than I am, so.....
Then you shouldn't notice anti stall.
And yet, if I drive a vehicle with that feature, I still notice it. Perhaps, then, it isn't a skill issue, but an interference issue? Perhaps, then, I know the damn engine better than its own computer does? Perhaps, then, I simply don't want my vehicle doing anything for me?! Half the point of driving manual is to escape automation so why the fuck would I want more automation put back in? That sort of stupid shit is a large part of why I wholesale reject all vehicles with a computer in their dash. [Here's some footage of me driving that C10](https://youtu.be/vAgDWYU-6SA). Literally only the 3rd time it moved under its own power since 2003, so I'm still getting used to the powerband. Clutch is shot, too, only operates on the upper third of the pedal and the adjustment is maxed out. You wanna keep saying it's a skill issue when I can drive this thing just fine and still find hill start assists annoying AF?
Hill isn't isn't anti stall. I agree that hill assist is often intrusive, but that uses the brake pedal. Anti stall shouldn't trigger unless you start to stall.
I tend to not add throttle until the clutch begins to bite. Not my fault ECUs of modern engines freak out and lose their shit because the engine has a load on it below 1,000RPM...
Fun fact my automatic 14 Challenger has hill start assist as well. Why? Fucked if I know. Stellantis laziness perhaps, or maybe ineptitude who knows. I disabled it. Don't fucking need it on an automatic. Hell I don't even need it on a manual, I know how to heel and toe I can hill start fine without it.
Pretty much all modern cars do this, it makes them easier to drive for novices. You can't turn it off or avoid it