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Ghev47

Awesome job coming back here! All we have is today!


jenniferleigh6883

Thank you! šŸ˜Š


wtfisthepoint

SMART recovery is great for me. I do all meetings on zoom


RichDistance6431

So you drank 3 days out of 1460ish. No shame in restarting the clock. Get another day today. Hang in there. IWNDWYT.


PokemonTrainerMikey

strive for progress not perfection


Ok-Cup-5906

Love the name. Smashing Violet all the time. Brother plays too.


PokemonTrainerMikey

Video games / board games helped me so much when I started getting sober. This was 2015 and Settlers of Catan was huuuuge.


massiveproperty_727

I wish I had more Catan friends :-(


kiki1983

I needed to hear this today. Thank you.


VirginiaPlatt

0.2% of the days.


seanthebeloved

No *need* to restart the clock. Those sober days donā€™t magically disappear just because you had a drink.


JunieZuZu

Yes, I feel very strongly about this. AF ā€œstreaksā€ are amazing, but it is NOT the only marker of success. Not drinking for 4 years is nothing short of phenomenal. Those days are *not* lost. I do like that streaks are acknowledged, but I think they can sometimes hinder us if a slip up happens and it feels pointless or too overwhelming to ā€œstart again.ā€ Itā€™s really not starting over. Itā€™s a continuation. OP, Iā€™m rooting for you. Youā€™ve done 4 years, which is insanity. So great. You can do this!


PokemonTrainerMikey

Today is a new day. Keep your head up. Donā€™t drink today, that is a good place to start.


jenniferleigh6883

Thank you.


UsusallyKindaHappy

Hi. Glad youā€™re here. Hope the you and family are able to put this small incident into the wider perspective of your accomplishment so far. Youā€™re ok.


jenniferleigh6883

Thank you. I feel horrible letting my son down. He has a lot of trauma due to my drinking in the past, and I have been rebuilding my life and my relationship with him. I just have so much guilt. Itā€™s hard to manage. I hope my husband comes back.


UnintentionallyAmbi

All you can do now is not drink today. Rebuilding trust will take time. Donā€™t get too discouraged. Iā€™ve never made it 4 years (yet) at a time.


SurvivorX2

I hope he comes back, too, IF he can come back and be a help and not a hindrance to you!


Tshlavka

I am proud of you. It takes a lot of strength to get back here. Four years is a big accomplishment. Show yourself some grace and kindness. Sending you a big hug and I will not be drinking with you today. šŸ«¶


jenniferleigh6883

Thank you so much. ā¤ļø Pretty much everyone in my life is angry with me right now, so I appreciate the kind words very much.


horrible_drinker

The problem is that normal drinkers or non-drinkers cannot understand it no matter how hard they might try. They can't comprehend the addiction, and that's just not their fault. I was addicted to booze pretty badly, and many of those around me just thought I was a fuck-up and that I was choosing to be a fuck-up. While I take total responsibility for everything I've ever done, I certainly wasn't deciding to screw up. It was something beyond my control. I think, and everyone else agrees that consistent change of behavior is the best apology. If I were you, I'd apologize not expecting any kind of acceptance of that, and then show them that I mean it by really changing. That's all we can really do. I certainly empathize with you as I know what it feels like. I wish you the best.


MardiMom

Or they choose not to. My ex is a 3 x's a day weed smoker since early hs, but says, "Just have one." You have done it before, OP. You can do it again. I hope everyone and you, yourself can forgive and move past this.


horrible_drinker

Honestly, I just don't know if someone who has never been an alcoholic can really understand what it's like to be addicted to alcohol. Like, with weed we can have some psychological addictions where one feels like they, "need," it to get through the day, but with booze there's also a physical addiction that's very real. People get the shakes, they are hungover as hell until they have the hair of the dog, and many other signs of both physical and psychological addiction. For those that haven't been through all that, I think it's very difficult to understand why someone would continue to drink even though their lives are falling apart around them. To these people, it just appears that the drinker doesn't give a shit about how their drinking is affecting others, yet inside most people feel absolutely terrible about it, but can't figure out how to stop even though they want to so badly.


VanityJanitor

What did you do to get through those 4 years? Do more of that. Buy some books, listen to some podcasts. AA wasnā€™t for me either, but there are tons of other resources out there (I recommend Sober Awkward if you like a good podcast). Find ways to show your husband and son that youā€™re making an effort to ensure that you donā€™t go back to your old ways. Giving it time is nice, but if I were them Iā€™d want to know that you were aware of exactly how serious your slip up is. And of course, be kind to yourself. Youā€™re a badass for making it 4 years. Weā€™re alcoholics for life, and mistakes happen. What you do after the mistake is whatā€™s important.


jenniferleigh6883

Thank you. I will definitely check out the podcast. I really just stayed sober by being so disgusted with myself and having my son and husband to be accountable to. Iā€™m from Wisconsin, so drinking is so common here and with a bar/liquor store on every corner Iā€™ve had to white knuckle it a lot of the time. I started after work Tuesday and didnā€™t stop until yesterday.


relohu

Just want to weigh in because I saw you say being disgusted with yourself is what was keeping you sober. I understand those feelings well but if you have been punishing yourself for years Iā€™m not surprised you reached a breaking point ā˜¹ļø I bet if I told you about my previous experiences you would respond with kindness to me, not disgust. Try and treat yourself with that grace and forgiveness. You have clearly been trying so hard. Maybe try and reframe your mindset this time around - you arenā€™t doing this out of disgust, but out of love for yourself and your family! You deserve it.


jenniferleigh6883

Thank you. I didnā€™t think of it that way. I appreciate it. ā¤ļø


oversimplifyopposite

Yes, to that! As I've been lurking on this site and on zoom AA meetings, I've been trying to figure out why it it is so comforting to know that others have just as hard of a time with this as I do. My therapist says I shouldn't overthink it (too late!). If it's comforting and helpful, just go with it. I don't buy the misery loves company theory on this. I think what it really comes down to is what the prev responder mentioned. We keep this to ourselves (and from those close to us in life) and feel like monsters. We hear others, strangers express the same and we give them grace. We don't think of them as monsters, we understand where they are coming from, how hard they're struggling, how much they've accomplished, how human they are. And part of us, consciously or not, knows that, logically, this must apply to us too. Like others mentioned, I have never gone 4 yrs. I only made it past 24 hrs recently. You've done so much, you cannot discount that.


Strong_Highway_8395

This is very good advice. Donā€™t be so hard on yourself, treat yourself with love. Be proud of the four years you were sober. In my experience the guilt and shame only makes me want to drink more. Those are normal feelings but itā€™s important not to hold onto them


jkmjtj

Well said. šŸ™ŒšŸ¼


loveydove05

2.5 days.


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jenniferleigh6883

I need to formulate a plan. Iā€™m going to try a SMART Recovery meeting, and a few other things people have suggested here. Iā€™m realizing that WANTING to be sober does not equal sobriety. I need help. Canā€™t do it by myself.


becky57913

I find SMART to be much more helpful than AA in that the actionable items are more concrete


CabinetStandard3681

I like refuge recovery. Buddhist principals, no Jesus talk


SurvivorX2

That realization puts you ahead of the game!


sfgirlmary

This comment has been removed. Please do not tell other people whether or not they will be able to stay sober.


KwBaconCakes

Living in shame, mom guilt, disgust is a hard way to not drink. (I am not sober, I am abstaining).. It has taken a hard 2 years of binge drinking once a month (with many more years of problem drinking) and a year of changing my relationship with alcohol. I have a drink now and again but I have boundries. It was these boundries that I set with alcohol, people and really seeing the bad habbits I had with how to cope. This is not for everyone. I have used science based smart recovery and other (non abstinence exclusive) tools to make real change. Therapy also has been a great tool. Knowing why you do what you do so you can recognize it and change the behavior. I had a hard time with AA and the can't drink approach only made me feal somehow left out, or broken. A year ago I was literally you. But I was in the ER after about a week long binge during which my family had left because they deserved better (I deserved better too). My kids were 10 and 15 at the time. They all came back. But I didn't make empty promises. They were gone a month and only came back when I felt we were ready to be better as a family. They almost didn't come back, and they only did when they saw in me a person they couldn't or didn't want to be without.


jenniferleigh6883

How did you go about repairing your family? My husband left, turned off his location, and refuses to answer any calls or texts. My son wonā€™t speak to me until I go to therapy. Right now itā€™s just me and my puppy, and Iā€™m trying just to get through each day. Iā€™ve had a panic attack this morning, but Iā€™m feeling a bit better now. Iā€™m leaving for work shortly, and Iā€™m hoping that will help me feel more human. Thanks so much for your kind words. šŸ’œ


KwBaconCakes

It took time and real progress. They were all gone. I was alone sleeping on the floor because I was too hungover sick to change my sheets. First week he brought the dog back to keep me company. Then husband came by in the evenings to talk. Talking became planning, plans into doing. We had some date nights. The kids came to wish me happy mothers day and we had dinner. Then counseling was going well and we decided I didn't need to go to inpatient care. Kids came home and we continue to work on being good to eachother and making life better for all. ( I was a cronic do it all-er) Its a huge trigger for me when I get so overwhelmed because I take on too much and don't ask for help. Then get frustrated that no one is helping me. Finding what was making me drink,making life more manageable so I don't get overwelmed, asking for help, admitting to family when I am stuggling mentally, FINDING NEW COPING SKILLS. this was bug for me. I had a big loss in my early 20s and spent alot of time in a bottle. I never learned how to cooe any other way. And now that I have it is so much better. MINDFULNESS, lieing to yourself only goes so far for so long until the well is dry and your dieing of thirst and have no tools to find water. The water and the well are important but the tools are what will sustain you.


Cranky_hacker

You haven't lost until you stop trying.


scar_n_dicey

All you can do is acknowledge it and move on. You canā€™t change the past. Be remorseful. Know your mistakes donā€™t define you. You did 4 years of sobriety. You can continue. I donā€™t do AA either. Same thing for me. I hate hearing the one upper stories on who was the biggest baddest drinker there ever was. Fuck that. Find your peace your way. Remove the stress. Be with yourself.


jenniferleigh6883

I appreciate that a lot. Thank you.


dk0179

Iā€™ve learned I canā€™t do anything to undo a relapse, however I control the response to one.


PrimordialPouchKing

That record is beyond impressive. Iā€™m going on day 5 now for the first time in 9 years and youā€™re an inspiration. IWNDWYT.


jenniferleigh6883

Thank you! ā¤ļø


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jenniferleigh6883

Wowā€¦thank you. Just thank you. So much. ā¤ļø


mindfulteacher020407

As others have said, today is a new day. We are human, we make mistakes. Owning our mistakes and learning from them, doing better is how we grow. Sending you love. IWNDWYT


klements7

I have been to a SMART recovery meeting as I also do not find AA helpful. It is skills based and meetings are available online.


furnituremeal

Seconding the smart recommendation. Their app is really useful and Iā€™ve found the meetings help a lot. Very different vibe from AA. If youā€™re feeling nervous or too exposed, you can attend a virtual one with mic and camera off and just listen.


jenniferleigh6883

Iā€™m doing that at 12:30 today. Thanks so much.


Mrs_Tastic

I really have enjoyed SMART! I ordered the workbook off Amazon. At first it felt cheesy to fill out the work sheets but holy moly. .it's made something click for me. I didn't want to do anything religion based. SMART is science based and some of the points they make really hit home. Good luck at your meeting today! If you have time try to read up on SMART before it starts. The first one I attended online before my workbook arrived left me feeling like I was out of the loop. Congrats on 4 years! Mistakes happen, what matters most is that you are back on track šŸ’š


jenniferleigh6883

Thank you! I appreciate that! I will definitely do some research. Thanks for the heads up! šŸ«¶šŸ»


soitgoes_42

Yes! I have been attending SMART meetings online for the past two weeks.Ā  It's really great. Takes a bit to find meetings you mesh with (for example, I don't like the huge "national" meetings. But the smaller, location based ones have been great). You don't even have to talk if you don't want to. I just listen for now.Ā  Never any judgment. No one-upping stories. Just a bunch of good people and facilitators talking about the how's and why's of addictive behaviors. And how to work toward overcoming them.


jenniferleigh6883

I think I will check that out. Thank you!


pomegranate444

On the AA thing - if it's not for you, it's fine. Different people IMO have different formulas for what works. You've had several years of success so likely you have a pretty good sense of what works for you. My mother as an example, has a serious alcohol use disorder, and has been able to manage it without AA. Maybe a decade now or so and counting. Full steam ahead, I'm sure you can do it, as you've already shown with a multi year success story. Don't let one fuck up undermine that success.


jenniferleigh6883

Thanks. One day at a time. Thatā€™s all I can do.


sweetcampfire

Weā€™re so happy youā€™re here!


jenniferleigh6883

Thank you!


FatTabby

You screwed up but you've been sober before so you know you can do it again. AA isn't your only option, I've never done AA. You could look into SMART Recovery, I'm part of a Facebook group that offers meetings but they aren't compulsory - there are other options. As you said, give everything time. Remember the feeling of embarrassment that you're dealing with right now and tap into that if you feel the urge to drink again. IWNDWYT


sufferinsuccotashh

I just relapsed myself recently after a year and 3 months. 4 years is so impressive! I know that god awful feeling after relapsing where your brain is all out of whack and you feel incredibly depressed. Give it a week and youā€™ll slowly crawl out of that hole. Things will get better! I believe in you!


jenniferleigh6883

Thank you! I keep on telling myself I will feel ā€œnormalā€ again. ā¤ļø


MacAndCheesing

Iā€™m only 11 days into this new life, but Iā€™ve been reading a book called Quit Like a Woman. I highly recommend it. The author was also triggered by AA and explains why she thinks it can be an unhelpful program for women, then she gives alternative recovery advice. It has been so incredibly supportive and inspiring for my own sobriety and genuinely makes me feel excited about this change/my future (even when Iā€™m terrified). Iā€™m SO impressed by your 4 years. Iā€™m from WI too and now in the PNW - sometimes I think people donā€™t fully grasp the intensity of WI drinking culture. It is so deeply ingrained and normalized there. You are an inspiration to me! Hang in there and be nice to yourself. You got this. IWNDWYT!


jenniferleigh6883

Wow thank you so much! Iā€™ve always wanted to visit the PNW. šŸ˜Š Thank you for understanding how hard it is to be an alcoholic in Wisconsin. ā¤ļø And also thank you so so much for your kind words, advice, and support.


Floopoo32

I also live in Wisconsin and have lived in other parts of the country too. The drinking culture is intense here and it's very much a struggle to do life differently than most. But I do think things are changing, especially with Gen Z being a good influence on us older generations by not drinking as much. I hope that we can get a national tax on alcohol.


MacAndCheesing

I hope you get to visit! Itā€™s a gorgeous part of the country. Itā€™s funny, I had a friend visit from WI last summer and we went to a big outdoor concert. At the end she was having some very real culture shock by noticing how alcohol was so much less present. No cans/trash everywhere, nobody stumbling around drunkā€¦just people dancing to the music and then politely getting themselves home. LOL it hadnā€™t even occurred to me how very different that is compared to something like Summerfest. If you made it four years alcohol-free in WI, I believe you can do anything! Sending you lots of love and a big hug šŸ’œ


jenniferleigh6883

Thank you! Canā€™t wait until Summerfest! šŸ˜ŠšŸ’œ


Emotional-Finish-648

IWNDWYT! I am impressed with how strong you are, four years. Today is so achievable in comparison.


jenniferleigh6883

Thank you!


ktree8

It will be ok šŸ’œ I feel the same about AA. I have really found [The Luckiest Club](https://www.theluckiestclub.com/) helpful.


ReplacementsStink

I love both of her books.šŸ’œ


ktree8

Seriously almost 1500 days is incredible!


ReplacementsStink

Thank you!!! Hit 4 years back on February 10th. I'd say I can't believe it, but I'm actually doing it! You are incredible too, my friend!


PrestigiousRub7041

You are not alone friend. Progress not perfection hun


jenniferleigh6883

Thank you. I needed to hear that.


[deleted]

Hey, me too. I had a 3 day relapse after 2 months sober. Ended up in the ER and the looney bin. I'm outnow and starting therapy Monday. Never done therapy but Ill keep trying things until something works. Maybe that's something you could try if you haven't before. AA worked for about a year for me until they wanted me to start chairing. Then I freaked and relapsed. I'm with you, the relapse sucks. I'm so sorry your husband left. I wish he understood the difficulty of it all.


jenniferleigh6883

Therapy definitely helps. Itā€™s so hard to find a good therapist, though. If you donā€™t vibe with your new therapist, donā€™t rule it out altogether. Thatā€™s my advice. šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™€ļø I wish he understood as well. We just got a new puppy, and he left me to care for this little terrorist by myself. He has his own addiction issues (was on meth for a really long time. Heā€™s been clean for 5 years). So youā€™d think he would give me a little more grace.


HumorAppropriate3522

It's tough when the people we love the most are unable to be supportive for whatever reason. My family is pretty disappointed in me too. You did some field research and found nothing changed, nothing new at the bottom of the bottle. Have you considered smart recovery or dharma recovery? You can go read my post from my latest binge early this week. You are not alone and you are back. Good job coming back, some never do.


jenniferleigh6883

Youā€™re right. My stepmother died from chronic alcoholism coming up on three years ago. My dad found her dead in the morning. She was 53 years old. Now my two little sisters donā€™t have their mother, and my dad lives alone. Youā€™d think Iā€™d know betterā€¦


HumorAppropriate3522

It isn't about knowing better per se- don't forget, it's an addictive substance that releases a ton of feel good chemicals in your brain. Yes we might logically know better, but we are animals all the same and it's hard to think our way out of biochemical brain reactions. I bet your stepmom knew better too. Don't beat yourself up. Stack sober days and your family will hopefully, and probably come back around.


jenniferleigh6883

Thank you. ā¤ļø


SurvivorX2

You DO know better, or you wouldn't be here!


Rimpruff

Those 4 years werenā€™t for nothingā€¦ they still count. You caught yourself before you let it get worse. This is inspirational if anything. The details of what happened when you did relapse might make it a bit more complicated. I found out the hard way that out of 365 days in a year it only takes one day to undo it all in the eyes of some people who have been in your corner through it all.


jenniferleigh6883

Yes, so true! I undid all the hard work Iā€™ve done to repair my relationship with my son. He refuses to talk to me, so Iā€™m trying to respect that and give him his space.


SentientRidge

As a child of abusive alcoholics who became an alcoholic himself, I can sympathize with both of you. Your son is going through peak hormones. Heā€™s going to be as confrontational as he thinks he can get away with. He has a right to be mad at you and disappointed. So does your husband. If I relapsed right now, I would expect my wife to go stay with someone else. You have a right to be able to have a space to change. All of those can be true. Too many of us take every bit of pity we can to fuel our own self-hatred. Donā€™t do that. I havenā€™t been to a meeting in years. Therapy helped me much more. But you have to do something. If you arenā€™t growing as a person, you **will** backslide in to old habits. Youā€™re going to have to show him, one day at a time, that youā€™re going to keep growing. Iā€™m sorry youā€™re in pain, but also, no one is coming to save you from yourself. You have to find some program/method/treatment/protocol (pick your fancy word) to combat the alcoholism. Itā€™s not going to just go away. I believe in you! I will not drink with you today. You arenā€™t alone.


jenniferleigh6883

Thank you. I think thatā€™s what I learned from all this. I need to do SOMETHING. I canā€™t stay sober on my own. I really appreciate your insight.


MountainsChick

I can tell 100% you are now back in recovery because of your posts and responses. Turn this day into another day and another, and youā€™re on your way. You are NOT the person now that you were before your binge. Remember that. You can forgive and love that person you were, but you are not that person today. Today you are changed and that change will take you forward.


jenniferleigh6883

Thank you so much for taking the time to help me feel better. ā¤ļø


Stale_LaCroix

Now you know it wasnā€™t worth it! You still have all that progress you made in the past 4 years!


Strong_Highway_8395

Stay strong. Your son and your husband are doing what they think is best for them. Iā€™m sure theyā€™ve both been hurt in the past and the binge probably brought back some negative emotions for them. Just focus on your self and not drinking and hopefully theyā€™ll forgive you again. IWNDWYT


paulabear203

It is indeed a new day, and look at you - you reached out here to share your relapse and get support from the good people of this sub. I feel the same about AA, it just is not a good format for me personally. It is a new day and another chance to move forward. IWNDWYT


jenniferleigh6883

Thanks! This sub really helped me get through today. All of these kind words and support mean a lot. ā¤ļø


cocolimenuts

Hey! Okay, I did the same thing, only I went for 5 days in December. I was super depressed, things were going wrong and the holidays always make me feel some sort of way. I realized that as shit as things were, drinking wasnā€™t going to make it better. I didnā€™t restart my counter, because for me it was easier to think about it as so many days minus five. Put the bottle down, give it time, and try to be easy on yourself. The thing that scared me was using my relapse as an excuse to say ā€œfuck it allā€ any time Iā€™m having a hard timeā€¦but so far so good. You can control your life, youā€™ve got this. Pick back up where you left off and understand that youā€™re human, and that alcohol can only make it all worse.


dgofish

I relapsed after three years with the same, three day binge. That was three years ago, and I havenā€™t had a drink since then. Sometimes we mess up, but we just have to keep going. Iā€™m sorry, because I can imagine how youā€™re feeling today. Luckily, today is today, and all of that shit that happened was yesterday. All you can do is dust yourself off, give yourself a hug, and remember that no one is perfect (like literally no one). Some sincere, heart to heart conversations may be in order, just please donā€™t hate yourself. You have to be your own best friend. Weā€™re all in this together. IWNDWYT.


dgofish

*almost three years ago. Forgot a word.


peesoutside

AA wasnā€™t for me, but Recovery Dharma works. Much more positive crowd.


Syclone1436

AA isn't for everyone, myself included. Have you ever considered trying Naltrexone? It has changed my life. I'm 1 year sober today because of that medication.


jenniferleigh6883

I canā€™t take it because Iā€™m on Suboxone. My doctor prescribed me acamprosate, but it made me very depressed which kind of ironically led to my relapse. I saw her yesterday, and now she wants me to start Topomax.


Syclone1436

Well I wish all the best!


VirginiaPlatt

Second best relapse is a short relapse! Welcome back!


jenniferleigh6883

Thank you! šŸ˜Š


incompleteTHOT

Proud of you for coming back. You can do it! I have relapsed a million times and I know the sadness of this feeling. You are not alone. I have never had 4 consecutive years before and I am so impressed. You are so strong! Keep going :)


jenniferleigh6883

Thank you! šŸ˜Š


herefortheriding

Hi, can I gift you my shame slayer? Itā€™s called know better do better. I found I had a period of evidence gathering where I tried all the things, but ultimately the answer became ā€˜not even oneā€™. Because after one it just ignited the beast. So I tried switching drinks, not buying scotch, only drinking gin, not drinking wineā€¦ all pointless. But I had to learn the hard way. I hope the horror is wearing off, and the line in the sand is now clear as to what you want. HugsšŸ˜˜


jenniferleigh6883

Thank you thank you thank you! ā¤ļø


shakethishell

IWNDWYT, friend. It's a new day and we can always move forward. Even if it's teeny tiny baby steps right now. You got this.


im-the-mary

IWNDWYT


FreddyRumsen13

You're here, which is a start. We can fall down and screw up but we always have a choice to get back up and try again. I think giving it time is a great idea. Being sober for the better part of four years is huge. I've never done that. Be kind to yourself. All you can do is your best.


[deleted]

Don't beat yourself up, just use this moment to reflect and grow.


Useful_Barracuda_814

I get it, the shame and disgust can feel overwhelming but you will do this. It happens but thank goodness you recognize and are taking the steps needed to get healthy. Hopefully we see you here often, IWNDWYT


Da5ftAssassin

Welcome back! IWNDWYT


lupinegray

Own it, move forward, and do better.


PushSail

Have you read the "Demons on the boat" metaphor? It describes substance abuse so well. Turn your boat back around. You already know which way to go, and don't let one mistake take away from the 4 years of hard work you obviously put in. You're not a bad person, you just have a bad problem. Best to you. [https://www.bfwh.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Demons-On-The-Boat.pdf](https://www.bfwh.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Demons-On-The-Boat.pdf)


Proditude

I donā€™t find living in the shame shed to be productive. I feel so bad that I start saying to myself that if Iā€™m a piece of shit I might as well drink. Try focusing on the positive aspects of not drinking. Nobody works well while beating themselves or being beaten.


Noodlesoup8

Iā€™m sorry, I know thatā€™s rough. Thereā€™s other support groups that arenā€™t AA, like smart recovery. Not sure if they all trigger you but of course, here is also safe. Sometimes it just helps to have multiple options available. Theyā€™re upset now but give it time. Weā€™re all suffering the human condition so hopefully they have some grace for you. Get through the anxiety of today, tomorrow will feel better (physiologically at least).


angrypanda83

I've been in that boat. Being crushed by guilt and letting that control my emotions to the point of self destruction. Forgive and be easy on yourself. Stay here awhile. I hope you can find the strength to stay sober and carry on even just for today. Regardless of what happened, there's usually a chance to rebuild what you think you've destroyed. I'm embarking on that journey myself this weekend. Trying to salvage a relationship in disrepair for far too long. Stay strong amigo.


jenniferleigh6883

Really appreciate that. Hope you stay strong as well. My best wishes to you. ā¤ļø


trumpetunicorn

It took me a while to find a meeting that vibed with me. There are a lot of Recovery meetings that aren't AA that are totally valid, and even other fellowships that aren't about alcohol specifically. Addiction is addiction, no matter the "drug." Part of finding sobriety is sifting through the pain of what brought you here. It gets better.


TypicalBackground585

It's ok. You are human. You can turn this around. Just take it one day at a time. Try not to beat yourself up too much because you had 4 years sober and that is quite an accomplishment.


jenniferleigh6883

Thanks! I feel horrible. Just trying to get through the day. You guys are helping me out so much. Iā€™m glad I posted.


mouseroulette

May I ask why is AA triggers and makes you depressed?


jenniferleigh6883

I just donā€™t find it helpful. Plus, they ask for absolute sobriety, and I smoke weed.


Aggressive_Report_18

There's a reason why people say relapsing is a part of the process. If you are a true addict the chance of a relapse are incredibly high but it's what you do when they happen to recover that's important. Use this example when you think about drinking again and remember the damage and destruction caused by your drinking to motivate you not to drink again. Those 4 years may feel like they have been wasted but they haven't as it proves that you can live a life without alcohol you just need to remember you will never stop being a addict and unfortunately every single day for the rest of your life you will need to keep fighting this disease. Take this L put it under your belt and use it to grow stronger than ever before. You have got this!


TechUno

I was forced to wear an alcohol bracelet for a year where if i drank at all i went to jail. Didn't help me not drink because when they took it off i started again. I don't like to sit in AA either and also came to this sub. It seems you don't stop if someone makes you stop, you only really stop if you want to.


jenniferleigh6883

Iā€™m SO lucky I did not get pulled over. I had NO business driving. Iā€™m so disgusted with myself. I ABHOR drinking and driving but somehow did what I absolutely hate.


Tess_88

Iā€™m sorry for your relapse and its consequences however great job coming back here. And you had FOUR years which is a LOT! All we can do is keep walking the walk and hopefullyā€¦usually those that love us will see our efforts. IWNDWYT ā¤ļø


ComprehensiveFee1501

Way to come back. Some people donā€™t. Iā€™m not into AA either but there are a few other groups you can try if you are interested ā€¦ SMART recovery, recovery dharma. šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļøšŸ’œšŸ’œ


jenniferleigh6883

Thanks! Recovery Dharma seems like it could be good! Iā€™m doing lots of research. Thank you so much! šŸ˜Š


ComprehensiveFee1501

Absolutely! Iā€™m so glad youā€™re back!!


turbineseaplane

No need to be embarrassed Falling off the horse can happen to any of us Just get back on, that's all that matters!


MaryjaneinPA

Welcome back. Itā€™s a new day ..IWDWYT


UnintentionallyAmbi

All you can do is forgive yourself under the condition you will do your best going forward. Actions above all else. You had a lot of time under your belt, or whatever holds your pants up. You know you messed up. Itā€™s a heck of a lot easier to start there instead of ā€œI dunno what I did wrongā€ Donā€™t beat yourself up too much. Just start again.


_Wildwoodflower

Glad youā€™re back. Just keep proving to them that youā€™ll do better.


Inevitable_Sink_5472

Don't beat yourself up too much, just focus on the work you need to do to become the person you want to be. This is not a linear path and as they say, fall down 9 times but get up 10. Just don't stop trying. Sending you love and light


jenniferleigh6883

Thank you! šŸ˜Šā¤ļø


Few_Background2938

Iā€™ve learned to talk to myself like Iā€™m talking to my best friend. Put the bat down, and just donā€™t pick up that first drink!


punkassbitxh

I quit July of 2020, relapsed on a vacation in December of 2023, and again this February. in that (roughly) 1,340 days sober, I was *unsober* for a total of 3 weeks. donā€™t beat yourself up too much. this will pass and you can start right back over with much more confidence in your ability to live a sober life. when you first started, you had no idea what to do, now you do. grab life by the balls and keep goingā€¦ youā€™ve got this!


jenniferleigh6883

Thank you! šŸ˜Š


Excellent-Object2482

I was sober 14 years and drank again. Shame and guilt over that kept me drinking off and on for the next 10 years. I went back to AA and just picked up my year chip. The path to sobriety is not a straight line. I had to realize that to lighten up on myself. Your sober time was not wasted because you prolly learned a lot about yourself. (I know I did!) Break it down into one day at a time. I can do that but not if I think I can never drink again for the rest of my entire life. You got this today!


Skerricho

Iā€™ve relapsed multiple times! Donā€™t think of it as time lost! Itā€™s all about the combination of how many days clean vs using. Your efforts are still courageous and better than 99% of people who try. Iā€™m sure your family will forgive you over time. Next time you feel tempted, use this experience as fuel to say no, not today!


Zyki41

As someone mentioned. AIM for progress not perfection. Just because you relapsed doesnā€™t mean you forgot everything you learned and experienced before hand. Grab on to that knowledge and build from there. You got this!


staceyyyy1

Itā€™s okay. Keep your head up


human-ish_

You have 4 years of practice and experience, so what if you fell off for 3 days? Now your back. It was just a little detour on the road. Right now, focus on yourself and getting back on track. You need to re-earn trust again and the best way to do that is by doing the work. If AA isn't for you, why not try something else. I personally love SMART Recovery, because it's a science based approach. We use a lot of CBT and DBT tools.


jenniferleigh6883

Iā€™m going to try a Smart Recovery meeting today. Thank you!


Bouillondefuckitall

Im so proud of you! Itā€™s so difficult to admit you relapsed, but youā€™re here, youā€™re not giving up. Thatā€™s amazing


jenniferleigh6883

Thank you!


Bouillondefuckitall

Prioritise yourself for the time being, try to fix the other relationships later. You need to focus on yourself for now, you deserve it


PussyWhistle

What's done is done. Welcome back.


Lemur718

Sometimes it be like that - see it as a failed experiment that you don't need to repeat. Not much else to do but dust yourself off and stand up and move forward. I understand the stuff about AA but maybe see if there is a therapist or mental health professional you can talk to ? Even call a 1-800 number to just help process.


LoneRangerAbraham

AA triggered me and made me veeery uncomfortable. But thatā€™s because it was what I knew I had to do and the pressure to actually do it made me avoid it like the plague. Your situation sounds pretty severe right now. Bite the bullet and attend a meeting hun


Foothillscouple

What triggered you? 326 days here


[deleted]

Four years is amazing! I binged this week too, and I literally hate myself right now! Right there with you! Hang in there!


horrible_drinker

I totally get it if you don't like AA, but I do think that IRL group meetings are extremely beneficial. There's so much more out there than AA these days. Personally Refuge Recovery resonated with me the most, but I also thought that SMART was very decent and LifeRing was super cool. If I were in your shoes I think I'd give it a shot. Good luck to you. This shit sucks.


LuckyDuckyPaddles

I have enough white chips to wallpaper my bathroom. I suspect the majority of us have relapsed. Please don't beat yourself up. Alcohol is cunning, baffling and powerful. All I/we can do it try not to drink before I go to bed tonight. Henry Ford filed for bankruptcy 5 times before he got it right. Failure can be a learning tool. Get back on the horse my friend. Good luck!!!


WhyAreTheyLikeThis11

I just relapsed after 3 months. Completely embarrassed. I had to do a medical detox and one of my friends was very unkind. My other friends and the people at the clinic were so supportive. In fact, it was the first time I hadnā€™t felt alone in a long time. Forgive yourself. This is an addiction and we are accountable for it and the work we have to put in, but you are not alone. You have to forgive yourself to move forward.


nutbrownale

So what's the plan?


Daddy-o62

Welcome back. Look, AA isnā€™t for everyone. The most important thing for me was keeping sobriety as my main focus whenever I hit a rough patch. It became my hobby, my workout, my second job. SMART Recovery was helpful for guidelines, exercises, and a place to talk with people struggling with the same issues. You may want to look into it. Yeah, you messed up. Remember this embarrassment the next time you feel a craving and consider how better it feels to not need to apologize to your kid. Good luck, and of course, IWNDWYT.


orvilleredcocker

Sounds like you've got this.


Bork60

My parents were both violent alcoholics. I was often left alone with them to referee their fights. At the age of 10. I never completely forgave them because the never stopped drinking. You should have some trust built up with your 13 year old. Build on it. Its not a sprint but a marathon.


swede242

Great going on 4 years! Those sober days are not wasted! So you know you can do it again, youĀ“ve done it before!


Party-Carpenter1268

Keep your head up! You got this! IWNDWYT


Worried_Ferret_3418

This is an illness. Your family must understand it too.


GalacticNugz

You did it once and you will be able to do it again!


ImpressiveRemote5914

Iā€™m so proud of you.


fernon5

I'm glad you're here and encourage you to be proud of coming back and to give yourself a little grace. We are--none of us-- perfect. Recovery Dharma has chapters all over-- an alternative that could be supportive. Regardless, you're not alone and you're moving forward and getting back to the business of real living. That's everything. ā™„ļø


Key_Ring6211

You didn't lose the time you were in recovery. I quit hundreds of times til I found the way. You can get back on the horse. Ask for help, too, you don't have to do everything alone


Environmental_Yam540

IWNDWYT!


moth-society

The only true failure is giving up, every day is a new challenge, all we can do is ke


Floopoo32

I think your family should show you a little more compassion but they are probably scared, and they probably don't understand how difficult addiction actually is. Relapse is totally normal and a part of the process. Don't beat yourself up too much, that's not going to help at all. You're doing the best you can and you've done pretty damn good in my book! Take the experience and learn from it and figure out what triggered you, and figure out how to not let that happen again. You got this.


vantrap

IWNDWYT :)


Fossilhund

Be kind to yourself. Four years is pretty good, you still have all that time Sober. Don't discount it. Also, you might want to take a look at how you were feeling right before the relapse; any unusual stress? Have a plan to deal with that stress differently the next time it shows up.


more_than_just_a

Remember that although you can't wind the tape back to before your relapse you can do wind it forward to a future when you are sober. And that future starts now. IWNDWYT


samsonizzle

A true loss would be if you were still drinking and couldn't admit the mistake. You stayed sober before and you can do it again. Proud of you for opening up about it. Relationships can heal given time. Don't give up. If you kept drinking you'd have no hope, but as it stands, you have more hope without it!


Rich-Depth-1669

You still have 4 years of sobriety minus 3 days. Just because you slipped doesnā€™t restart your sobriety time.


[deleted]

Four years is nothing to sneeze at. You're doing the best you know how. And you're learning all the time. And you're still trying. We're human. We're not perfect. At least I'm not. I'm doing the best I can too. I fail at things every single day. What are you gonna do? Seriously. That's what I ask myself. What are you gonna do Willie?


everydaykatie0

Please don't let the shame or embarrassment overwhelm you.. that has caused me to fall deeper into the hole in the past. It takes immense courage to get back on your feet and try again! I believe in you! :)


Galacticsurveyor

I was sober for 3 years before Covid. Relapsed for a week. Got right back to sobriety. Just hit 4 years. Move forward. Actions over words.


jorgthecyborg

"Nana korobi, ya oki" is a Japanese proverb of hope and persistence. "Fall down seven times; get up eight." You might consider some of the other community recovery groups. There are some that are secular, others focus on fitness activities. Good luck with your continuing journey!


[deleted]

Iā€™ve found great relief in LifeRing. It encourages cross-talk and celebrating the wins of the sober self instead of the shame of the drinking self. Itā€™s much more like a conversation and thereā€™s no labeling anyone as ā€œaddictā€ or ā€œalcoholicā€. What I know is that I wasnā€™t able to quit drinking for good until I found sober community *and* started looking deeply at why I drank. Those hurts didnā€™t go away because Iā€™m sober now. Iā€™m headed into probably several years of really deep therapy facilitated, or at least initiated, by the 12 steps. I also have issues with AA and am apprehensive about doing it, but healing is more important at this point than letting myself stay in the same patterns that will lead me back to drinking.


2024isYourYear

I hope U find some peace, stay strong


TopAd4505

Congrats on 4 years, I almost have a year and lately I've been killing for a beer. I didn't think about drinking for 9 months but I had a miscarriage and I've been spiraling. I quit my toxic job and had a minor surgery done and I've just been literally chilling recovering mentally and physically for the past few weeks. Crying, working out, taking walks, Journaling more Crying and enjoying time at home. If it weren't for my new obsession with getting pregnant again, I'd probably be on a bender too. We're going keep trying for a few more months, pray for mešŸ„²šŸ˜­


jenniferleigh6883

Let me tell you-do not drink! You are doing all the right things! I will most definitely pray for you dear! Keep us updated. ā¤ļø


Kind-Humor-5420

You got this!!


StopDrinkingEmail

3 days in 4 years is fantastic. And you are right where you need to be now. Time can heal all wounds. Like you said, give it some time.


TSM-

One recommendation that sticks with me is writing a journal or note to yourself about how you are feeling right now. It's just for yourself and you don't have to share it with anyone.


Firm_Transportation3

Relapse isnā€™t to be excused, but itā€™s an incredibly common part of recovery. Try to forgive yourself and also learn from what happened. If you learn and gain awareness from what happened, then it wasnā€™t for nothing. You didnā€™t lose any sober time. You still have that time and all you have learned from it. You arenā€™t starting from scratch. If you are on a 1000 mile road trip, and make a wrong turn halfway through and go 25 miles the wrong way, you donā€™t have to go all the way back home and start over; you just turn around and get back on the right road. Since you arenā€™t into AA (me either) I recommend trying Recovery Dharma and Refuge Recovery. They are Buddhist inspired groups but donā€™t require a higher power or admitting that you are completely powerless. They have a lot of online meetings, too. I do believe that community support and connection is important to staying sober, but there are other options than AA if it isnā€™t for you. Sending love.


Magic834ns

You have 4 years more than Iā€™ve managed so far - thatā€™s amazing. IWNDWYT.


wtfisthepoint

You donā€™t have to answer this, of course, but what do you think triggered the three day binge after so much sobriety?


jenniferleigh6883

I think it was a number of things. Iā€™m very unhappy with my job, and Iā€™m having issues in my marriage. Soā€¦ I mean thereā€™s a little bit more to it but thatā€™s the long and short of it.


wtfisthepoint

Thanks for the reply. I have found SMART recovery meetings very helpful. I use the app and do them on zoom. We have all fallen, youā€™re not alone, and I wish you well.


jenniferleigh6883

Thank you! šŸ˜Š


Spare_Answer_601

Be Kind To Yourself is the 1st way to stay sober for me!


jenniferleigh6883

I think thatā€™s been the hardest part.


Natural_Impression56

Wow, congrats on 4 years of getting your mind and body healthy. I white knuckled through times of sobriety for sometimes months and one time a year. It was always a struggle though, and the last time I drank, I knew I was giving it up for good and went on a 3 day binge of everything I thought I was going to miss. What a mistake!!! I am almost through the legal aspects of the .23 dui now, March 25th is the 3 year anniversary from that insidious molecule, I really shouldn't have finished that fifth of Smirnoff vodka when I was being kicked out of the hotel during covid at noon, but I digress! They kicked me out because I was a drunken mess! I am letting the past be the past and taking responsibility for my actions. Life Ring's triple S was a great discovery for me. It helped and is helping me understand the traumas that I was using alcohol to hide from. No more white knuckles here. IWNDWYT, thankfully. There are 2 parts of AA that did help me as well though, they are: 1. Abstain one day at a time, and 2. I am powerless over alcohol, I can't drink just one, my beast takes over after a little bit. Good luck to you!


potatobackpack

relapse is part of the processes. I also dont enjoy AA or NA but places like this can help. Im sorry your family reacted the way they did.