Hi, incorrect actually. Here in AZ about 10 years ago the porn industry moved from CA to us. One of the first ads I saw in the free newspapers was an ad for "make your own porno" where they said they could provide a model for an extra cost. A few months later they were shut down for prostitution as the state saw it as selling sex, with a reel as an added bonus instead of the other way around
That was obviously prostitution in disguise as pornography.
What happens in a porno movie or clip, is that you pay the models to have sex and it's filmed for a production. Basically, the quote is saying if you want to be paid for having sex, become a porn star.
I see no difference between what you said and what the company was shut down for. So as long as they put it on the internet it is legal now? Just seems like someone lobbied to have that business shut down in AZ instead of any actual legal reason imo.
I suppose the the only real difference is who is paying who. Like are you paying the company to let you bang somebody while they film it or is it like a "traditional" porno where they film it and pay you as compensation for your "services"?
I don't know enough about the inner workings of the porn industry, but from the outskirt, agents talking to agents to sell their client for sex is no different in my head than someone paying a company to film them in a porn and the company provides the women for an extra cost.
It’s probably a mix of needing the licensing and be registered as an agent/business to film that sort of thing. If it’s just Joe Schmo from the corner paying to have sex and get filmed it’s likely breaking laws since he’s not actually licensed to do so. Like you can’t just open up a food truck and start selling food, you have to go through certain steps first. I guess this situation would be more like each customer paying the food truck owner to go in and cook their own food off the menu, which would also be a huge no go
They were by definition prostituting the girls and saying they'll film it. Actual porn isn't when someone calls a group and pays said group to have sex while someone from that group records you.
I remember that case. The reason why they went down was because for it to be actual pornography, you have to actually sell the video. Paying to have sex and have be filmed for private use isn't shooting it for porn. There has to be a commercial release for it to count.
That's why in these days, paying an OF model for sex is fine, because they will commercially release the video on their site.
Would you be in the clear if you roll up to a prostitute that is just part of a sting operation and you ask her if she wants to shoot a porno with you, you pay her to shoot the film with you and the cops roll up.
So could you create the company, pay the actress, film the porno, cancel the release, and claim it as a loss on your taxes?
I'm pretty sure Warner Brothers has done this with several movies to reduce their tax liability.
It used to be a pure morality thing but now it's mostly a tax issue. They can't figure out how to tax it and regulate it properly so it's beneficial to the government. Same reasons weed was illegal for the longest time.
Yes they can, in the Netherlands prostitution is legal, subjected to tax, health checks and inspections.
It’s considered a normal job. (Legally) nobody is suggesting it as a career path for young people.
(That’s a running joke here. That when a parent goes to the shool to talk about what career paths their kids have they say that prostitution is his or het best chance)
Prostitution is illegal today because there is a precedent of it being illegal. You'd need to look into the Mann Act of 1910 for the reasons that lead up to the law's ratification. I doubt there is much drive at the federal level to repeal any such laws.
* Modern democrats would likely say that prostitution is exploitation and attempt to present themselves as allies of the victims. The idea that anyone could/would choose that life would be foreign to them.
* Modern Republicans would likely view prostitution as an attack on traditional Christian themed values, erosion of the traditional family, and a path to general degeneracy.
Both parties would partake in services and use their drive to collect money and polarize voters into the other side is evil mantra.
There's actually a lot of people on the left in favor of legalizing prostitution. People will never stop buying sex. We might as well make it safe, make sure the workers are safe and healthy, and provide healthy outlets for sexually frustrated men.
If you break it down, legalization has a mountain of positives and very few, if any, negatives. But it'll never happen because Americans think sex is both sacred and evil at the same time
That’s the thing though “if you break it down” unfortunately any topic that goes out to the masses to vote on needs to be able to be argued in 1-2 sentences. If you need to educate your voters then it’ll never pass. You also open yourself to the other side weaponizing morality against you. That’s why it’s one of those topics that if you have any surface level knowledge of it it’s a no brainer, but not everyone has level surface knowledge of it.
Very few if any negatives? The porn industry says hello. Look, I think it should be legal. But to say there would be minimal negative consequences is just not true and not based in any reality.
>But it'll never happen because Americans think sex is both sacred and evil at the same time
Not contradicting you at all, but just stating that this is a really how everything sacred works. The sacred is always the exception to a moral rule. "Don't kill..except this way. Don't have sex...unless you do this first.
One of the utilities religion has in early human social development is giving pressure release valves to destructive impulses.
Idk the republicans voted for a dude that literally had sex with porn star and paid her off illegally with hush money from his campaign. They have no values lol
Trump is kind of a depressing reality check for the Republican Party. He's not Republican and he's not Conservative but the party has no real way of appealing to younger voters. That may not have been a problem 20 years ago but it is a problem now and is only going to get worse.
They'll cling to him to win but the party has effectively decayed from within.
I don't see what would be hard about taxing it, it's still a financial transaction, you can tack tax on top of it. There's also income tax from the employees. You can also have taxes for opening up a legal establishment.
Lots of cash transactions, which is mostly due to being illegal. It would be similar to exotic dancers and wait staff that under report their tips/income. If you aren't working for a brothel or agency, you would be responsible for reporting your income.
>exotic dancers and wait staff that under report
Yup exactly this. When I waited tables (I don't have the body for dancing 😭) I'd report credit card tips because it's already there, but cash tips went straight in my pocket and I'd report a *small* amount to not raise suspicion.
Banks won't do business with them because it's still illegal according to the federal government. If that ever changes, then the dispensary can start opening up a business account.
the correct reason to tip in cash is so the boss can't keep it for himself. States have different laws regarding tipping, and the owners aren't always obligated to give 100% of it to the employees. Even tip jars on counters can go into the boss's pocket, and you know he ain't reporting shit on his taxes.
Legalizing brothels takes care of the taxing issue.
The truth is prostitution is illegal in a bad attempt at protecting the women.
Instead they have become illegal prostitutes.
Gonna be here sooner or later; the government's broke, They've made stabs at legalizing every other vice; politicians see money and will see nothing but 'health benefits' from here to Sunday.
This makes no sense.
Why do you think it is any more or less difficult to tax than basically any service based job? Massage therapists, barbers, aestheticians, etc all pay plenty of taxes.
I would argue without much difficulty that taxes would be much easier to collect from a brothel or private practice prostitute than from a seedy pimp on 7th Street.
It's a moral issue for most.
They get zero tax now on all the transactions that already occur illegally. That was the same argument as weed and that seems to be a huge tax boon now.
Huh? There’s a thousand equivalent service jobs I can think of that they tax just fine.
If you work for brothel it’s kind of like working at a massage parlor or nail salon. If you work for yourself you’re just running a service-based sole proprietorship or operating as an independent contractor. What said service is has no bearing on how they tax it.
It a morality war, not a tax issue.
I remember porn websites had an issue with sex trafficking and companies were finding videos of exploited girls or Americans/euros going to other countries to exploit.
There are a lot of issues out of SEA with this on porn sites, I believe I had read. A lot of times hidden faces are good indicators that it might not be above board.
Ditto. I was raped at 17yo by my bf at the time who, unbeknownst to me, took multiple videos over the course of our abusive relationship. He posted them when I left and despite my efforts, once something is on the internet, it's there forever. I've just made peace with it now and moved on with my life.
That period was a very sobering experience, though: typing a variety of demeaning racist/misogynistic terms you think "apply" to you so you can find if there's any more videos out there, combing through pages of abuse videos to find if yours might be there, then finding it and reading the comments of people all there to get off the most traumatic events of your life...
I know this is Reddit, so I will most probably get downvoted for being "sex-negative", but there's no ethical porn, lads.
That’s terrible. I am so sorry you had to endure that. Thank you for having the courage to share it here.
I feel weird upvoting it but I do want more people to be able to see it.
I am so glad that you have been able to move on with your life. That takes incredible strength and you should be very proud of yourself.
Oh that’s a relief, because if I am ever cloned I’d definitely want to do that and have it count.
Edit: wait, so are you saying that it’s incest?
That’s worse!
My oncologist told me I should tell my sex partner that chemo might affect our sex life. I raised my palm up in front of my face and said, “Hear that?” We all 💀.
Come to Romania, illegal prostitution but one of the highest traficking rates in Europe, if not the highest. It’s decriminalized to some extent but not legal
I would counter that the uptick is noticeable as a result of regulation. When it's illegal, there are no official statistics to track, no access to facilities, and no legal money trail. It's much easier to hide.
The argument is that supply of people who want to be prostitutes can’t meet the demand for prostitutes (which is a fair argument).
And I believe the studies control for regulation leading to catching traffickers more
The studies do! Typically that adjustment though is not control for them catching traffickers \*more\*. They catch them \*less\* because the typical way a trafficker is caught is by the powers of police to run surveillance on a known illegal sex worker. Not by women coming clean. Legal or not, it isn't the fear of jail that prevents reporting. Its the fear of \*retaliation\*.
So unless you suggest all legal sex workers are surveilled by the police, legalization will decrease the rate sex traffickers are identified.
If you're going to propound sensational claims, then provide evidence and some nuance. The fact that human trafficking increases in certain places after legalization does not necessarily substantiate the larger claim that legalization leads to more trafficking. It doesn't take a genius to understand that sex workers as a whole are a largely marginalized community and that decriminalizing or even legalizing prostitution does not solely address this vulnerability. You need to provide additional protections and resources that can aid sex workers and provide recourse when such things as violence and trafficking occur. Even in countries with decriminalization and legalization stigmas largely exist that prevent sex workers from getting the help they need (see Slate article). It should come as no surprise that victims of trafficking often are poor, do not speak the language of the country they are trafficked to, have poor mental health, and are largely stigmatized. Clearly legalization alone does nothing.
I see some people linking a Harvard article claiming legalization leads to upticks in trafficking. If you're going to post a link, then you should actually read it. From the study that article points to: "This comparison thus tentatively suggests that the share of trafficked individuals among all prostitutes is fairly similar in the two countries, despite one prohibiting and the other permitting prostitution. This in turn, would suggest that compositional changes and thus the substitution effect are likely to have been small." In other words, there is no substantive compositional change, or change in the proportions of trafficked and non trafficked sex workers. The uptick in trafficked individuals is entirely an attributable to scale.
https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-analysis-finds-decriminalizing-sex-work-improves-public-health-and-public-safety
https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/decreasing-human-trafficking-through-sex-work-decriminalization/2017-01
[https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/05/sex-work-manhattan-police-laws-protests-crackdowns.html](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/05/sex-work-manhattan-police-laws-protests-crackdowns.html)
[https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/](https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/)
Linked study:
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract\_id=1986065
Your quote from the study is only from where it compares Denmark to Sweden, and is only about the comparison of the 2 countries.
The Conclusion then goes to state:
"According to economic theory, there are two effects of unknown magnitude. **The scale effect** of legalizing prostitution leads to an expansion of the prostitution market and thus an increase in human trafficking, while **the substitution effect** reduces demand for trafficked prostitutes by favoring prostitutes who have legal residence in a country. **Our quantitative empirical analysis for a cross-section of up to 150 countries shows that the scale effect dominates the substitution effect**. On average, countries with legalized prostitution experience a larger degree of reported human trafficking inflows. We have corroborated this quantitative evidence with three brief case studies of Sweden, Denmark and Germany."
Edit: Fixed weird formatting.
Bold of you to assume they read any of the articles they linked...
It's always the same shit. People cherry pick and create a pastebin to sound like they know what they are talking about and then once you actually dig into the sources you realize they are misleading at best.
Sex Trafficking is perpetrated by criminals, and will happen anywhere someone is willing to pay for it. Legality of sex work can just make the detection of trafficked sex workers much harder, because it can appear very much legal on the surface.
True, but in a place where it is legal, the victimized are much more likely to report it if they can, because there is no fear of being prosecuted/punished for doing so.
A trafficked prostitute who reports in a legal place should have and likely does have major fear of retribution from her pimp. No face, no case and all that. Like you get they don’t just let that go, she will almost certainly be tampered with by threats or violence, maybe even death.
And in much of the places where prostitution is illegal, law enforcement doesn’t focus on going after prostitutes, they focus on johns and pimps. Many DA offices see prosecuting prostitutes on a wide basis as prosecuting victims and letting the pimps win.
I've actually seen studies that suggest the opposite....that once prostitutes don't depend on criminals for protection and once it is practiced legally, sex trafficking goes down
Are you talking out going or in going. Because it does decrease outgoing as far as studies show, I believe, but it also increases in going, aka people brought into the country to work as sex workers.
Part of that truth is due to the change in capturing that kind of data - being provided resources to properly track and capture that info and to establish routes for those who are traficked to report it. It is extremely difficult to understand and quantify prevalence when any sex work is illegal and there is less need from a governmental perspective to differentiate types of illegality as the reasoning for it being illegal is not rooted in human trafficking.
Excellent example of correlation is not causation. Human trafficking is a problem regardless of the legality of sex work.
Not necessarily. The premise is that trafficking sex workers to legal countries, where it may be harder to detect if it seems above board, is more profitable for the traffickers because more money is then spent on sex workers in general than where it is illegal.
Short answer: human trafficking
Long answer: human trafficking, little to no regulations that leads to a high rate of abuse for sex workers, and taxes.
Some countries do. The Netherlands has gone direct the route of legalize it, tax it, regulate it. Ok not qualified to determine if that’s better for the human trafficking issue than making it illegal but that does seem plausible.
I found a paper put out by Harvard law that claims that legalizing prostitution actually does increase human trafficking.
https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/
Alternatively, it’s easier to catch traffickers. They typically measure trafficking through law enforcement.
The Swedish police admitted that their internal research did not accurately reflect the scale of trafficking, but then of course went on to pretend that it did.
My guess is that it would be legal everywhere if it wasn’t for sex trafficking. Customers have no idea whether their sex worker is being forced to perform.
There's human trafficking problems in a lot of industries including agriculture.
Chocolate specifically has a well documented slavery and child labor problem. So if we're being consistent we need to ban chocolate.
Same can be said about any other product or service. As a customer you don't really **know** whether the chocolate bar you buy has been made without using slave labor. In some cases turns out it wasn't, but chocolate is still very much legal.
I think this is more of a morality issue in most countries.
A few differences. Children/woman are not products, they’re human beings. Also for some people working in sweat shops mean they can spare themselves having to do sex work so for this reason it can be justified as sex work is still a very terrible job with people having to endure a lot of abuse.
Nope. Even into the 1920s many cities had legal prostitution districts. A combination of religious right campaigns and morality voting led to the practice being made illegal almost everywhere. And not totally without cause. There was prevalent trafficking and pimping during the era, particularly very young women. Al Capone started as a pimp. When prohibition was put into effect the next cause became the puritanical legal attack on sex. Moral codes went into effect everywhere and everything from porn to prostitution to even private sex acts became illegal.
Sex is an easy target. Religion attacks it, public health attacks it, people with hang ups and personal guilt attack it. Waging war on it is an easy win as the politicians can always point to those “deviants” and the need to squash them to make life safe for productivity.
I’m hypersexual and see constantly the way sexuality is demonised. I know many people within the hypersexual community would benefit from legalised prostitution both as providers and customers.
Unfortunately there’s evidence that legalization increases the trafficking issue.
https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/
> Countries with legalized prostitution are associated with higher human trafficking inflows than countries where prostitution is prohibited. The scale effect of legalizing prostitution, i.e. expansion of the market, outweighs the substitution effect, where legal sex workers are favored over illegal workers. On average, countries with legalized prostitution report a greater incidence of human trafficking inflows.
You have to be real careful to see how exactly they define sex trafficking. Sex trafficking can be defined so broadly that it simply means paying for a plane ticket for a prostitute to come to your hotel. In other words, any time you facilitate the transportation of a prostitute.....there may be no coercive element involved ..from what I'm reading in your study, they just talk about trafficking inflows...this very well could simply be women at their own free will moving to a foreign country to be a prostitute on someone else's dime....not that these women are sex slaves....I wouldn't at all be surprised if women from foreign countries have brothels pay for their transportation when sex work is legal in a rich country and this causes "sex trafficking" to be higher
That data can’t be relied on unfortunately. Not because it’s inaccurate but because it’s impossible to control for the fact that the surrounding countries have made it illegal. The question isn’t for a specific region but for the act as a whole. If prostitution was legal everywhere there would be less of a market for human trafficking. Whether or not that leads to an increase or decrease in sex slavery as a whole is debatable but it would leave more avenues for victims to get help without fear of prosecution. It would also lower profit incentives similar to the legal weed market.
I never know what to make of this because the only time prostitution is uncovered is when other things are going on like trafficking and abuse. They get uncovered because of the other stuff.
Legal and safe is the way some other countries do it and it seems to have some benefits. Just keeping an eye on vulnerable people who may be abused seems reasonable rather than kicking them out on the streets.
Prior to WW1 it wasn't even really talked about, it was completely legal almost everywhere. New Orleans was extremely popular since it was a shipping point for lots of soldiers and of course tourists.
They were the first city to try and contain the brothels and eventually the US Government passed legislation allowing the military to arrest any women found within 5 miles of a military cantonment. They'd be then confined to either a hospital or farming colony until "cured".
So long story short the US military banned it, local cities love the military and federal money so they too enacted rules to curtail it. Like the federal highway funding if you don't do something the government wants they'll take away your money. In the case of New Orleans the navy threatened to pull out completely if they didn't outlaw it.
It’s strongly correlated with mental, physical and sexual abuse/crimes, drug use and human trafficking. these people saying “it’s the patriarchy” “men don’t want women to get rich easily” and “puritanical beliefs” live in a fantasy land where evil people that rape, murder and exploit traumatized women for money don’t exist. No woman wants to have sex with multiple men every day in order to survive and associate their self worth with what random men think of them.
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Those same “family values” conservatives openly support and avidly vote for an adjudged rapist who openly admitted on camera to sexually assaulting other random women and who has cheated on multiple wives with porn stars.
Because controlling who people can and cannot have sex with is a core preoccupation of centralized government in societies heavily invested in notions of private property and rights of inheritance. Every other argument in favor of prohibiting it can be easily dismissed (i.e. "then focus on eliminating trafficking, not sex work") but rarely does anyone talk about it in context with the broader questions of why governments also are involved in regulating marriage, divorce, and adoption.
Also, very rarely are sex workers themselves consulted as to the best ways to approach decriminalization or regulation of it so even in jurisdictions where there are forms of legalized prostitution they are invariably structured to benefit the government rather than sex workers themselves.
Religious control
Can't tax it
Societal morals
Human trafficking
The uglys can, if they're willing for the risk, also it's not just ugly people that do it. I've gone to the brothels in Tijuana and even I'm kinda surprised I've seen some attractive guys in there looking for a girl, and they'll have their own reasons for doing it. Even the working girls have looked at me and went "why are you here? You're actually cute, you should be hitting up the night clubs down the street not this place 😅"
Because it's in line with the Puritan values the United States was founded on. It's stupid though and there is an increasing push to decriminalize it. Maine partially decriminalized it and New York State and California have taken some steps to partially decriminalize it as well.
Pretty much every city in the United States has multiple "massage parlors" or "spas" where it happens in addition to sex workers advertising online. It's really just a cat and mouse game with the police.
It's hard to manage taxes on prostitution because everything is so under-the-table.
Porn stars and pornography is glorified prostitution and legal because the government can continue to tax film studios, porn stars, etc. I'm sure they all get W-2's at the end of the year.
Because it’s making money and the state and federal hasn’t figured out a way to tax a blowjob lol AND they call it immoral but they use prostitutes of all kinds of adults AND children and get away with it. Hypocrites.
If women can make money on their own by having sex they won’t need to work shit jobs for the corporations that run things. As usual the right to body autonomy is destroyed for corporate interests. Same as abortion.
Because of the amount of money it makes, can't be a woman of the night making as much as elon musk 🤣😭
Money is the reason for everything existing or not, don't you ever forget that
In some places it is legal. Nevada it is legal to go to a brothel. Same as places in Europe and Asia. They also receive medical testing to make sure the girls are clean.
Because there’s lots of money to be made off of incarcerating people. In the US incarceration is big business. It’s legal slavery. And the government keeps “morality laws” like this in order to lock up more citizens in order to make more money. If they really gave a shit about morality, then why are government officials often the most morally bankrupt people in society? Don’t worry, I’ll wait.
The government can't tax prostitutes or pimps. If there was a way to tax prostitutes Then it would 100% be legal. This is why weed was illegal for so long. All the government cares about is making money.
I don't know why it's illegal. Why was pot illegal for so long? I personally have no interest in prostitutes, but what happens between consenting adults is none of my business.
Prostitution was illegal here in my country for a long time, but they legalized Prostitution within a business I.e a brothel and street Prostitution remained illegal to protect vulnerable women or men from being lured into street Prostitution by pimps to afford drugs, food pay debt etc. Especially for the homeless population.
And within a brothel they have the same employment rights as any other worker. I feel like my country has some pretty robust employment law to protect workers from abuse or unfair treatment.
I personally don't have any issues with it, I don't use them myself but I am sure there are plenty of lonely people out there who do or people with kinks they can only pay for 🤣
As long as everyone is consenting and being safe and looked after who cares?
Once something is legal it has to be taxed and regulated, at that point the state is responsible for managing compliance.
Right now if a prostitute ends up dead or assaulted, they're a citizen who can't reveal what they were doing when they got victimized because its illegal.
If it is legal then the prostitute was victimized on the job and the proper protections were not put in place by the state to ensure they were safe, then they can raise a complaint with the DOL.
Because the gov can’t tax it. Another example is loan sharks, I can’t have a business loaning out money an 15% interest but capital one can give you a credit card at 28%.
You're obviously living in the wrong country.
Come to Belgium. Grab a beer, some fries, and a legal prostitute.
Taxed and paid for.
Pimping's still illegal though. (Technically you're allowed to sell your own sex, not someone else's)
Even as a kid I knew what street had the ... ladies of leasure.
I mean, you can't just turn up on any street corner and start selling, but in certain [neighbourhoods](https://images0.persgroep.net/rcs/eHg3QHHlIHbjQBF1avsJavVdMME/diocontent/120404284/_fitwidth/694/?appId=21791a8992982cd8da851550a453bd7f&quality=0.8), behind a nice glass window, you can advertise yourself, the man comes in, you go to the back room, and do the thing.
I mean it's still not a nice thing, and it's still ... Well, whatever, but at least when a woman of pleasure gets abused she can go to the cops without fear of being arrested herself.
There are studies that shows legalised prostitution increases human trafficking, unlike the popular belief. not to mention spread of diseases, and degeneracy. All in all it is not a socially constructive practice.
Society relies on the surplus labor of men. If a man has a family or even a SO they will spend more time overproducing. If men no longer need to overproduce for a family, they will instead only work the bare minimum necessary to see to their needs. And while that may include the money they will need to make to get sex, it will be far less than what men pay for the women in their lives or families they would otherwise have to support.
Especially when you consider that the number of women who will likely pursue prostitution as a means of employment will saturate the market and lead to intense price competition, lowering the price for sexual access. Not unlike what we saw with OnlyFans. A small minority of women made lots of money and the average woman made a comparative pittance.
Society is not too concerned about the money that woman would make. They already spend the majority of discretionary income(80-90%) in families as it is.
In many countries it's not illegal. In Germany for example I've read that 3 million per week visits a prostitute.
A single prostitute takes 3 million men per week. Gyatt damn
Morality Laws. Which is silly - you can do prostitution if you're selling video of the sex act, but not pay for the actual sex act.
I think it was Nikki Glaser (?) who said "Prostitution is legal as long as you get your buddy to film it."
Hi, incorrect actually. Here in AZ about 10 years ago the porn industry moved from CA to us. One of the first ads I saw in the free newspapers was an ad for "make your own porno" where they said they could provide a model for an extra cost. A few months later they were shut down for prostitution as the state saw it as selling sex, with a reel as an added bonus instead of the other way around
That was obviously prostitution in disguise as pornography. What happens in a porno movie or clip, is that you pay the models to have sex and it's filmed for a production. Basically, the quote is saying if you want to be paid for having sex, become a porn star.
I see no difference between what you said and what the company was shut down for. So as long as they put it on the internet it is legal now? Just seems like someone lobbied to have that business shut down in AZ instead of any actual legal reason imo.
I suppose the the only real difference is who is paying who. Like are you paying the company to let you bang somebody while they film it or is it like a "traditional" porno where they film it and pay you as compensation for your "services"?
I don't know enough about the inner workings of the porn industry, but from the outskirt, agents talking to agents to sell their client for sex is no different in my head than someone paying a company to film them in a porn and the company provides the women for an extra cost.
It’s probably a mix of needing the licensing and be registered as an agent/business to film that sort of thing. If it’s just Joe Schmo from the corner paying to have sex and get filmed it’s likely breaking laws since he’s not actually licensed to do so. Like you can’t just open up a food truck and start selling food, you have to go through certain steps first. I guess this situation would be more like each customer paying the food truck owner to go in and cook their own food off the menu, which would also be a huge no go
“Oi bruv, you got a permit for that prostitute?”
Reminds me of the joke about a woman selling condoms with free demonstrations.
They were by definition prostituting the girls and saying they'll film it. Actual porn isn't when someone calls a group and pays said group to have sex while someone from that group records you.
"moved"? CA is still the largest producer, AZ isn't even close. A few leaving doesn't mean the industry left lol
I remember that case. The reason why they went down was because for it to be actual pornography, you have to actually sell the video. Paying to have sex and have be filmed for private use isn't shooting it for porn. There has to be a commercial release for it to count. That's why in these days, paying an OF model for sex is fine, because they will commercially release the video on their site.
Would you be in the clear if you roll up to a prostitute that is just part of a sting operation and you ask her if she wants to shoot a porno with you, you pay her to shoot the film with you and the cops roll up.
Make her sign an Independent Contractor form for your production company and you're good...
So could you create the company, pay the actress, film the porno, cancel the release, and claim it as a loss on your taxes? I'm pretty sure Warner Brothers has done this with several movies to reduce their tax liability.
Many a Looney Toon was fucked over by this exact method.
Hell the Warner Brothers and their sister Dot was locked up for over 20 years.
Yeah you gotta get the 1099-C or the IRS will be the next worry on your plate.
I think Boondocks had the best take on this. NSFW language https://youtu.be/3cfCI07zVRg?si=d6ScFFucPjUUUWpT
You can also give it away for free.
There is no such thing as free pussy. One way or another, you will pay.
>One way or another, you will pay. There are exceptions.. some are more of an investment. >\_o
The good ones are definitely an investment.
It used to be a pure morality thing but now it's mostly a tax issue. They can't figure out how to tax it and regulate it properly so it's beneficial to the government. Same reasons weed was illegal for the longest time.
Yes they can, in the Netherlands prostitution is legal, subjected to tax, health checks and inspections. It’s considered a normal job. (Legally) nobody is suggesting it as a career path for young people. (That’s a running joke here. That when a parent goes to the shool to talk about what career paths their kids have they say that prostitution is his or het best chance)
"Remember- she's not a whore if she's an actress."
Fuckin hell I just watched this episode lastnight 😂
Prostitution is illegal today because there is a precedent of it being illegal. You'd need to look into the Mann Act of 1910 for the reasons that lead up to the law's ratification. I doubt there is much drive at the federal level to repeal any such laws. * Modern democrats would likely say that prostitution is exploitation and attempt to present themselves as allies of the victims. The idea that anyone could/would choose that life would be foreign to them. * Modern Republicans would likely view prostitution as an attack on traditional Christian themed values, erosion of the traditional family, and a path to general degeneracy. Both parties would partake in services and use their drive to collect money and polarize voters into the other side is evil mantra.
'Both parties DO partake in services and use their drive to collect money and polarize voters into the other side is evil mantra.' Ftfy
There's actually a lot of people on the left in favor of legalizing prostitution. People will never stop buying sex. We might as well make it safe, make sure the workers are safe and healthy, and provide healthy outlets for sexually frustrated men. If you break it down, legalization has a mountain of positives and very few, if any, negatives. But it'll never happen because Americans think sex is both sacred and evil at the same time
That’s the thing though “if you break it down” unfortunately any topic that goes out to the masses to vote on needs to be able to be argued in 1-2 sentences. If you need to educate your voters then it’ll never pass. You also open yourself to the other side weaponizing morality against you. That’s why it’s one of those topics that if you have any surface level knowledge of it it’s a no brainer, but not everyone has level surface knowledge of it.
Very few if any negatives? The porn industry says hello. Look, I think it should be legal. But to say there would be minimal negative consequences is just not true and not based in any reality.
>But it'll never happen because Americans think sex is both sacred and evil at the same time Not contradicting you at all, but just stating that this is a really how everything sacred works. The sacred is always the exception to a moral rule. "Don't kill..except this way. Don't have sex...unless you do this first. One of the utilities religion has in early human social development is giving pressure release valves to destructive impulses.
Idk the republicans voted for a dude that literally had sex with porn star and paid her off illegally with hush money from his campaign. They have no values lol
Trump is kind of a depressing reality check for the Republican Party. He's not Republican and he's not Conservative but the party has no real way of appealing to younger voters. That may not have been a problem 20 years ago but it is a problem now and is only going to get worse. They'll cling to him to win but the party has effectively decayed from within.
Wait till you find out what Bill Clinton did
It’s hard to tax. And if they cannot get their cut, they don’t want you taking part.
I don't see what would be hard about taxing it, it's still a financial transaction, you can tack tax on top of it. There's also income tax from the employees. You can also have taxes for opening up a legal establishment.
Lots of cash transactions, which is mostly due to being illegal. It would be similar to exotic dancers and wait staff that under report their tips/income. If you aren't working for a brothel or agency, you would be responsible for reporting your income.
>exotic dancers and wait staff that under report Yup exactly this. When I waited tables (I don't have the body for dancing 😭) I'd report credit card tips because it's already there, but cash tips went straight in my pocket and I'd report a *small* amount to not raise suspicion.
This is why i try to tip in cash whenever possible and everyone else should too
Literally the only reason I carry cash. Well that, and also because dispensaries are still mostly cash only 😁
Banks won't do business with them because it's still illegal according to the federal government. If that ever changes, then the dispensary can start opening up a business account.
the correct reason to tip in cash is so the boss can't keep it for himself. States have different laws regarding tipping, and the owners aren't always obligated to give 100% of it to the employees. Even tip jars on counters can go into the boss's pocket, and you know he ain't reporting shit on his taxes.
It's only hard to tax now because it's illegal. See how quickly they were able to tax marijuana once it wasn't just exchanging hands on the street?
Legalizing brothels takes care of the taxing issue. The truth is prostitution is illegal in a bad attempt at protecting the women. Instead they have become illegal prostitutes.
They got it figured out in Nevada. I don’t see why the rest of the country can’t follow suit.
Gonna be here sooner or later; the government's broke, They've made stabs at legalizing every other vice; politicians see money and will see nothing but 'health benefits' from here to Sunday.
If it were legalized and regulated, it wouldn't be. Poor argument.
This makes no sense. Why do you think it is any more or less difficult to tax than basically any service based job? Massage therapists, barbers, aestheticians, etc all pay plenty of taxes. I would argue without much difficulty that taxes would be much easier to collect from a brothel or private practice prostitute than from a seedy pimp on 7th Street. It's a moral issue for most.
They get zero tax now on all the transactions that already occur illegally. That was the same argument as weed and that seems to be a huge tax boon now.
Huh? There’s a thousand equivalent service jobs I can think of that they tax just fine. If you work for brothel it’s kind of like working at a massage parlor or nail salon. If you work for yourself you’re just running a service-based sole proprietorship or operating as an independent contractor. What said service is has no bearing on how they tax it. It a morality war, not a tax issue.
Then why is it not illegal to mow lawns on the week end for cash-in-hand? Also, it's pretty easy to tax brothels
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Many countries with legal prostitution see large upticks of sex trafficking into their country
I remember porn websites had an issue with sex trafficking and companies were finding videos of exploited girls or Americans/euros going to other countries to exploit.
There are a lot of issues out of SEA with this on porn sites, I believe I had read. A lot of times hidden faces are good indicators that it might not be above board.
Ditto. I was raped at 17yo by my bf at the time who, unbeknownst to me, took multiple videos over the course of our abusive relationship. He posted them when I left and despite my efforts, once something is on the internet, it's there forever. I've just made peace with it now and moved on with my life. That period was a very sobering experience, though: typing a variety of demeaning racist/misogynistic terms you think "apply" to you so you can find if there's any more videos out there, combing through pages of abuse videos to find if yours might be there, then finding it and reading the comments of people all there to get off the most traumatic events of your life... I know this is Reddit, so I will most probably get downvoted for being "sex-negative", but there's no ethical porn, lads.
That’s terrible. I am so sorry you had to endure that. Thank you for having the courage to share it here. I feel weird upvoting it but I do want more people to be able to see it. I am so glad that you have been able to move on with your life. That takes incredible strength and you should be very proud of yourself.
wonder if its just getting detected more often because the legal status makes it easier to catch traffickers
Good point. This is why interpretation of data is also important.
If I wanted to fuck someone I didn't care about id masturbate
You really should care about yourself.
Easier said than done
just do it. (nike ad)
*Lifetime of regret has entered the chat*
What if it’s your clone?
I would also care about my clone. And I wouldn't think that would be masterbation.
Oh that’s a relief, because if I am ever cloned I’d definitely want to do that and have it count. Edit: wait, so are you saying that it’s incest? That’s worse!
My oncologist told me I should tell my sex partner that chemo might affect our sex life. I raised my palm up in front of my face and said, “Hear that?” We all 💀.
I hope that your chemo treatment helps!
Went into remission- thank you!
That makes you fapulous.
20 years in the can, I wanted to f a woman. I compromised, I jacked off into a tissue instead.
If your hand feels as good as a vagina, I would pay you to jerk me off.
If you like calloused vaginas with sharp nails, hit me up.
What about the ones with sertated teeth
Come to Romania, illegal prostitution but one of the highest traficking rates in Europe, if not the highest. It’s decriminalized to some extent but not legal
I thought it was Spain? Are they close in trafficking rates?
Prostitution is Legal in some county's in Nevada I am surprised how many people don't know this i went to a whore house in Elko Navada 3 times
As far as I know, it's legal everywhere except for Clark County, which happens to hold Vegas, the place most associated with prostitution
Which would suggest that ontop of legalization, regulation is necessary
It’s regulated where it’s legal (Netherlands) and they had a large uptick of human trafficking.
I would counter that the uptick is noticeable as a result of regulation. When it's illegal, there are no official statistics to track, no access to facilities, and no legal money trail. It's much easier to hide.
The argument is that supply of people who want to be prostitutes can’t meet the demand for prostitutes (which is a fair argument). And I believe the studies control for regulation leading to catching traffickers more
The studies do! Typically that adjustment though is not control for them catching traffickers \*more\*. They catch them \*less\* because the typical way a trafficker is caught is by the powers of police to run surveillance on a known illegal sex worker. Not by women coming clean. Legal or not, it isn't the fear of jail that prevents reporting. Its the fear of \*retaliation\*. So unless you suggest all legal sex workers are surveilled by the police, legalization will decrease the rate sex traffickers are identified.
If you're going to propound sensational claims, then provide evidence and some nuance. The fact that human trafficking increases in certain places after legalization does not necessarily substantiate the larger claim that legalization leads to more trafficking. It doesn't take a genius to understand that sex workers as a whole are a largely marginalized community and that decriminalizing or even legalizing prostitution does not solely address this vulnerability. You need to provide additional protections and resources that can aid sex workers and provide recourse when such things as violence and trafficking occur. Even in countries with decriminalization and legalization stigmas largely exist that prevent sex workers from getting the help they need (see Slate article). It should come as no surprise that victims of trafficking often are poor, do not speak the language of the country they are trafficked to, have poor mental health, and are largely stigmatized. Clearly legalization alone does nothing. I see some people linking a Harvard article claiming legalization leads to upticks in trafficking. If you're going to post a link, then you should actually read it. From the study that article points to: "This comparison thus tentatively suggests that the share of trafficked individuals among all prostitutes is fairly similar in the two countries, despite one prohibiting and the other permitting prostitution. This in turn, would suggest that compositional changes and thus the substitution effect are likely to have been small." In other words, there is no substantive compositional change, or change in the proportions of trafficked and non trafficked sex workers. The uptick in trafficked individuals is entirely an attributable to scale. https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-analysis-finds-decriminalizing-sex-work-improves-public-health-and-public-safety https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/decreasing-human-trafficking-through-sex-work-decriminalization/2017-01 [https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/05/sex-work-manhattan-police-laws-protests-crackdowns.html](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/05/sex-work-manhattan-police-laws-protests-crackdowns.html) [https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/](https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/) Linked study: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract\_id=1986065
Your quote from the study is only from where it compares Denmark to Sweden, and is only about the comparison of the 2 countries. The Conclusion then goes to state: "According to economic theory, there are two effects of unknown magnitude. **The scale effect** of legalizing prostitution leads to an expansion of the prostitution market and thus an increase in human trafficking, while **the substitution effect** reduces demand for trafficked prostitutes by favoring prostitutes who have legal residence in a country. **Our quantitative empirical analysis for a cross-section of up to 150 countries shows that the scale effect dominates the substitution effect**. On average, countries with legalized prostitution experience a larger degree of reported human trafficking inflows. We have corroborated this quantitative evidence with three brief case studies of Sweden, Denmark and Germany." Edit: Fixed weird formatting.
Bold of you to assume they read any of the articles they linked... It's always the same shit. People cherry pick and create a pastebin to sound like they know what they are talking about and then once you actually dig into the sources you realize they are misleading at best.
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Sex Trafficking is perpetrated by criminals, and will happen anywhere someone is willing to pay for it. Legality of sex work can just make the detection of trafficked sex workers much harder, because it can appear very much legal on the surface.
True, but in a place where it is legal, the victimized are much more likely to report it if they can, because there is no fear of being prosecuted/punished for doing so.
In theory. In practice, that isn't always the case.
A trafficked prostitute who reports in a legal place should have and likely does have major fear of retribution from her pimp. No face, no case and all that. Like you get they don’t just let that go, she will almost certainly be tampered with by threats or violence, maybe even death. And in much of the places where prostitution is illegal, law enforcement doesn’t focus on going after prostitutes, they focus on johns and pimps. Many DA offices see prosecuting prostitutes on a wide basis as prosecuting victims and letting the pimps win.
The demand would far exceed the supply if it was legal.
Interesting. Do you know if it's the same story if prostitution is just decriminalized?
Sex trafficking happens either way.
I've actually seen studies that suggest the opposite....that once prostitutes don't depend on criminals for protection and once it is practiced legally, sex trafficking goes down
Are you talking out going or in going. Because it does decrease outgoing as far as studies show, I believe, but it also increases in going, aka people brought into the country to work as sex workers.
Part of that truth is due to the change in capturing that kind of data - being provided resources to properly track and capture that info and to establish routes for those who are traficked to report it. It is extremely difficult to understand and quantify prevalence when any sex work is illegal and there is less need from a governmental perspective to differentiate types of illegality as the reasoning for it being illegal is not rooted in human trafficking. Excellent example of correlation is not causation. Human trafficking is a problem regardless of the legality of sex work.
Links, or just your opinion?
When prostitution is illegal, it drives it underground. When it's legal, there's less of a market for the illegal kinds, such as trafficking
Not necessarily. The premise is that trafficking sex workers to legal countries, where it may be harder to detect if it seems above board, is more profitable for the traffickers because more money is then spent on sex workers in general than where it is illegal.
Short answer: human trafficking Long answer: human trafficking, little to no regulations that leads to a high rate of abuse for sex workers, and taxes.
Why not… regulate it?
Some countries do. The Netherlands has gone direct the route of legalize it, tax it, regulate it. Ok not qualified to determine if that’s better for the human trafficking issue than making it illegal but that does seem plausible.
Human trafficking is easier because it’s illegal
I found a paper put out by Harvard law that claims that legalizing prostitution actually does increase human trafficking. https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/
Alternatively, it’s easier to catch traffickers. They typically measure trafficking through law enforcement. The Swedish police admitted that their internal research did not accurately reflect the scale of trafficking, but then of course went on to pretend that it did.
My guess is that it would be legal everywhere if it wasn’t for sex trafficking. Customers have no idea whether their sex worker is being forced to perform.
By that logic, shouldn't porn creation be illegal too, then?
Yes
In many places it is.
But in many places they allow one but not the other.
There's human trafficking problems in a lot of industries including agriculture. Chocolate specifically has a well documented slavery and child labor problem. So if we're being consistent we need to ban chocolate.
Lol, you start going down that rabbit hole and anyone posting anti-trafficking posts from a cell phone is pretty much a hypocrite.
Same can be said about any other product or service. As a customer you don't really **know** whether the chocolate bar you buy has been made without using slave labor. In some cases turns out it wasn't, but chocolate is still very much legal. I think this is more of a morality issue in most countries.
A few differences. Children/woman are not products, they’re human beings. Also for some people working in sweat shops mean they can spare themselves having to do sex work so for this reason it can be justified as sex work is still a very terrible job with people having to endure a lot of abuse.
Nope. Even into the 1920s many cities had legal prostitution districts. A combination of religious right campaigns and morality voting led to the practice being made illegal almost everywhere. And not totally without cause. There was prevalent trafficking and pimping during the era, particularly very young women. Al Capone started as a pimp. When prohibition was put into effect the next cause became the puritanical legal attack on sex. Moral codes went into effect everywhere and everything from porn to prostitution to even private sex acts became illegal. Sex is an easy target. Religion attacks it, public health attacks it, people with hang ups and personal guilt attack it. Waging war on it is an easy win as the politicians can always point to those “deviants” and the need to squash them to make life safe for productivity. I’m hypersexual and see constantly the way sexuality is demonised. I know many people within the hypersexual community would benefit from legalised prostitution both as providers and customers.
Likely because the social conditioning in the USA is heavily based in a puritanical reality?
Now do the rest of the world where it is largely illegal as well.
The USA isn't the only country where it's illegal. It's illegal in most of the world.
Well that and legalized prostitution leads to higher rates of sex trafficking.
There’s a strong argument that because it’s illegal it leads to higher rates of sex trafficking. They’re enabled by having to work in the shadows.
Unfortunately there’s evidence that legalization increases the trafficking issue. https://orgs.law.harvard.edu/lids/2014/06/12/does-legalized-prostitution-increase-human-trafficking/ > Countries with legalized prostitution are associated with higher human trafficking inflows than countries where prostitution is prohibited. The scale effect of legalizing prostitution, i.e. expansion of the market, outweighs the substitution effect, where legal sex workers are favored over illegal workers. On average, countries with legalized prostitution report a greater incidence of human trafficking inflows.
You have to be real careful to see how exactly they define sex trafficking. Sex trafficking can be defined so broadly that it simply means paying for a plane ticket for a prostitute to come to your hotel. In other words, any time you facilitate the transportation of a prostitute.....there may be no coercive element involved ..from what I'm reading in your study, they just talk about trafficking inflows...this very well could simply be women at their own free will moving to a foreign country to be a prostitute on someone else's dime....not that these women are sex slaves....I wouldn't at all be surprised if women from foreign countries have brothels pay for their transportation when sex work is legal in a rich country and this causes "sex trafficking" to be higher
That data can’t be relied on unfortunately. Not because it’s inaccurate but because it’s impossible to control for the fact that the surrounding countries have made it illegal. The question isn’t for a specific region but for the act as a whole. If prostitution was legal everywhere there would be less of a market for human trafficking. Whether or not that leads to an increase or decrease in sex slavery as a whole is debatable but it would leave more avenues for victims to get help without fear of prosecution. It would also lower profit incentives similar to the legal weed market.
Too prone to abuse.
I never know what to make of this because the only time prostitution is uncovered is when other things are going on like trafficking and abuse. They get uncovered because of the other stuff. Legal and safe is the way some other countries do it and it seems to have some benefits. Just keeping an eye on vulnerable people who may be abused seems reasonable rather than kicking them out on the streets.
Except in countries where it’s legal, sex trafficking rates go up.
Physical abuse and communicable diseases
1. It is legal in some places. 2. Not just ugly men. 3. Puritan law makers.
Exactly, heavy puritanical beliefs are the foundation of USA's conditioning.
Human trafficking.
Just film it and claim you’re filming a pornography movie which is legal to do
Prior to WW1 it wasn't even really talked about, it was completely legal almost everywhere. New Orleans was extremely popular since it was a shipping point for lots of soldiers and of course tourists. They were the first city to try and contain the brothels and eventually the US Government passed legislation allowing the military to arrest any women found within 5 miles of a military cantonment. They'd be then confined to either a hospital or farming colony until "cured". So long story short the US military banned it, local cities love the military and federal money so they too enacted rules to curtail it. Like the federal highway funding if you don't do something the government wants they'll take away your money. In the case of New Orleans the navy threatened to pull out completely if they didn't outlaw it.
Religion
Because there is no separation of church and state.
Laughs in Germany
it would be better if it was legal bc sex workers exist. there would be better conditions and a higher standard of safety.
Because heaven forbid poor, poorly educated people, specifically women have a easy way to make money from wealthy men.
In the UK prostitution is legal.
Prudish Christian nonsense
Come to New Zealand my bros, where it's legal. Visit hobbiton during the day and prossies and night. Please cum.....we need the tourism ...
Its proven that even in places where it is legal, the practice of prostitution correlates with increased violence, crime, and poverty in a region.
Yeah, Amsterdam is a real shit hole.
It’s strongly correlated with mental, physical and sexual abuse/crimes, drug use and human trafficking. these people saying “it’s the patriarchy” “men don’t want women to get rich easily” and “puritanical beliefs” live in a fantasy land where evil people that rape, murder and exploit traumatized women for money don’t exist. No woman wants to have sex with multiple men every day in order to survive and associate their self worth with what random men think of them.
Seriously, just read how johns talk about them online and see how they are treated.
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Because it's seen as immoral.
Legalising prostitution doesn't stop pimps and traffickers, I have read that in places where it is legal trafficking actually increases.
That's because in places where it's legal, women and customers are more likely to report trafficking.
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Saw it in Netherlands, Germany and Switzerland. 🇺🇸has to make a big deal out of everything because of the (so called) family values conservatives…
Those same “family values” conservatives openly support and avidly vote for an adjudged rapist who openly admitted on camera to sexually assaulting other random women and who has cheated on multiple wives with porn stars.
Because controlling who people can and cannot have sex with is a core preoccupation of centralized government in societies heavily invested in notions of private property and rights of inheritance. Every other argument in favor of prohibiting it can be easily dismissed (i.e. "then focus on eliminating trafficking, not sex work") but rarely does anyone talk about it in context with the broader questions of why governments also are involved in regulating marriage, divorce, and adoption. Also, very rarely are sex workers themselves consulted as to the best ways to approach decriminalization or regulation of it so even in jurisdictions where there are forms of legalized prostitution they are invariably structured to benefit the government rather than sex workers themselves.
Religious control Can't tax it Societal morals Human trafficking The uglys can, if they're willing for the risk, also it's not just ugly people that do it. I've gone to the brothels in Tijuana and even I'm kinda surprised I've seen some attractive guys in there looking for a girl, and they'll have their own reasons for doing it. Even the working girls have looked at me and went "why are you here? You're actually cute, you should be hitting up the night clubs down the street not this place 😅"
I’d love to see whores with matching 401k plans
Because you can’t tax it effectively
Because it's in line with the Puritan values the United States was founded on. It's stupid though and there is an increasing push to decriminalize it. Maine partially decriminalized it and New York State and California have taken some steps to partially decriminalize it as well. Pretty much every city in the United States has multiple "massage parlors" or "spas" where it happens in addition to sex workers advertising online. It's really just a cat and mouse game with the police.
Can't tax it. If the govt can't figure out how to tax it, you best believe you're not gonna be allowed to do it. Same with weed and moonshine
Sex work isn’t illegal in Canada
It's hard to manage taxes on prostitution because everything is so under-the-table. Porn stars and pornography is glorified prostitution and legal because the government can continue to tax film studios, porn stars, etc. I'm sure they all get W-2's at the end of the year.
To control women's sexuality and enforce that a woman should be her husband's property.
Because it gives women control over money.
Because "The Church" made the rules way back when.
Hypocrisy, basically.
Because it’s making money and the state and federal hasn’t figured out a way to tax a blowjob lol AND they call it immoral but they use prostitutes of all kinds of adults AND children and get away with it. Hypocrites.
If women can make money on their own by having sex they won’t need to work shit jobs for the corporations that run things. As usual the right to body autonomy is destroyed for corporate interests. Same as abortion.
Because of the amount of money it makes, can't be a woman of the night making as much as elon musk 🤣😭 Money is the reason for everything existing or not, don't you ever forget that
It shouldn't be. Gambling is worse in every way.
Because the Government can’t get their share of the pie……..
In some places it is legal. Nevada it is legal to go to a brothel. Same as places in Europe and Asia. They also receive medical testing to make sure the girls are clean.
Csnt be taxed
Religion. Religion needs to control women and sex.
Difficulty to get people to report income on private acts paid for in cash.
Because there’s lots of money to be made off of incarcerating people. In the US incarceration is big business. It’s legal slavery. And the government keeps “morality laws” like this in order to lock up more citizens in order to make more money. If they really gave a shit about morality, then why are government officials often the most morally bankrupt people in society? Don’t worry, I’ll wait.
The government can't tax prostitutes or pimps. If there was a way to tax prostitutes Then it would 100% be legal. This is why weed was illegal for so long. All the government cares about is making money.
I don't know why it's illegal. Why was pot illegal for so long? I personally have no interest in prostitutes, but what happens between consenting adults is none of my business.
because of religious people who have nothing to do with that part of the world.
Most likely because it’s a cash business and the government gets nothing for taxes.
Because it's difficult to tax
Prostitution was illegal here in my country for a long time, but they legalized Prostitution within a business I.e a brothel and street Prostitution remained illegal to protect vulnerable women or men from being lured into street Prostitution by pimps to afford drugs, food pay debt etc. Especially for the homeless population. And within a brothel they have the same employment rights as any other worker. I feel like my country has some pretty robust employment law to protect workers from abuse or unfair treatment. I personally don't have any issues with it, I don't use them myself but I am sure there are plenty of lonely people out there who do or people with kinks they can only pay for 🤣 As long as everyone is consenting and being safe and looked after who cares?
Christians in power. Simple. It should be legal.
Once something is legal it has to be taxed and regulated, at that point the state is responsible for managing compliance. Right now if a prostitute ends up dead or assaulted, they're a citizen who can't reveal what they were doing when they got victimized because its illegal. If it is legal then the prostitute was victimized on the job and the proper protections were not put in place by the state to ensure they were safe, then they can raise a complaint with the DOL.
I’m totally with George Carlin on this one: “Selling is legal, fucking is legal. Why isn’t selling fucking legal?”
The risk of human trafficking
Cause the government can't tax it, yet!
Because the gov can’t tax it. Another example is loan sharks, I can’t have a business loaning out money an 15% interest but capital one can give you a credit card at 28%.
You're obviously living in the wrong country. Come to Belgium. Grab a beer, some fries, and a legal prostitute. Taxed and paid for. Pimping's still illegal though. (Technically you're allowed to sell your own sex, not someone else's) Even as a kid I knew what street had the ... ladies of leasure. I mean, you can't just turn up on any street corner and start selling, but in certain [neighbourhoods](https://images0.persgroep.net/rcs/eHg3QHHlIHbjQBF1avsJavVdMME/diocontent/120404284/_fitwidth/694/?appId=21791a8992982cd8da851550a453bd7f&quality=0.8), behind a nice glass window, you can advertise yourself, the man comes in, you go to the back room, and do the thing. I mean it's still not a nice thing, and it's still ... Well, whatever, but at least when a woman of pleasure gets abused she can go to the cops without fear of being arrested herself.
Because religion.
It's not. It has just moved to on line dating. It's also untaxable.
There are studies that shows legalised prostitution increases human trafficking, unlike the popular belief. not to mention spread of diseases, and degeneracy. All in all it is not a socially constructive practice.
Mainly because stds and exploitation
Because the government can't regulate a tax on it. They couldn't possibly know how any men they actually hve sex with.
Because the government dont get their cut
Society relies on the surplus labor of men. If a man has a family or even a SO they will spend more time overproducing. If men no longer need to overproduce for a family, they will instead only work the bare minimum necessary to see to their needs. And while that may include the money they will need to make to get sex, it will be far less than what men pay for the women in their lives or families they would otherwise have to support. Especially when you consider that the number of women who will likely pursue prostitution as a means of employment will saturate the market and lead to intense price competition, lowering the price for sexual access. Not unlike what we saw with OnlyFans. A small minority of women made lots of money and the average woman made a comparative pittance. Society is not too concerned about the money that woman would make. They already spend the majority of discretionary income(80-90%) in families as it is.