If they had Jota instead of Ronaldo we'd be screwed lol. Most frustrating thing about this match is Portugal literally didn't play. They simply jogged along and didn't try too much. We gave everything on silver platter.
Portugal is everything in football Turkey isnt.
Portugese clubs instead of spending fortunes on washed up 30 year olds invested money into developing youngsters.
Just look at their squad, they have quality in every position.
We on the other hand dont even try to develop youngsters. For the love of god we dont even have an u21 leage or reserve teams.
And you can see the effects of it in out nt. The vast majority of the squads quality are Diaspora turks, if you remove them, we would not be good enough to even think about qualifying for international tournaments
So Montella is either fucking stupid or is a liar, why would you sub in Arda and Ismail, who are injured, at 70' in a match where you are down by 3 goals?
Sack him asap I don't even care, there is zero explanation for these squad choices.
there is nothing that gives confidence - feels like not just tff but the whole team management is incompetent all the way down to kit managers who can't inform the players not to wear the wrong fucking shoes so they don't slip up and down the pitch every 5 seconds.
We have a young squad that's playing against 40 year olds but we're the ones who have players benched because they're tired...
our manager is allergic to our strikers - we have 3 on bench, we are down 3-0 and need a goal but sure let's keep our strikers benched...
our defense has no chemistry with each other and are playing all over the place - they give zero confidence to the rest of the squad...
there is no vision, no guidance and no leader.
just cause we beat a shit Georgian team doesn't mean we had solved any of the issues that was clearly visible during all the friendlies where we ate 9 goals and only score 2 without a single victory....
everything may be okay for WC 2026 but with TFF in charge, that's doubtful.
Seyirci baskısını gördü, genel baskıyı da biliyor. Alın aq madem o kadar istediniz değişikliği gibi geldi bana. Ben de hiç oynatmazdım ve sakat olduklarını da düşünüyorum şahsen maç önü.
Averajı düşündü galiba. 3-0 önde olan rakip defansta biraz gevşek olur, öylede oldu zaten baya top kaybı yaptı Portekiz çıkarken. Bari bir tane aralım demiştir de o zaman Cenk'i niye oyuna almıyon aq.
The point is why are you risking his injury after 3-0? Thats why no one believes the guy.
If ICK wasn't injured I doubt we'd have seen Arda for more than 15minutes versus Georgia.
Maybe he thought it was too much pressure for Arda to start? Stupid decision but only thing I can think of 🤷🏻♀️
Edit: you can stop downvoting me folks, it was a guess - I’m not saying I agree! Chill out
I'm scared they will turn him into Zaniolo, ie playing every second with the anxiety of having to immediately deliver in a few seconds/minutes to prove himself, leading to poor decision making on the pitch....
COMPLETELY dreadful and embarrassing
We again gave racists and haters fuel to laugh about
You are telling me that 4 guys from the 11 against Georgia cant play? Get the fuck outta here siktir
Montella tried to be pep, but realised he is not.
Our strength is not defense, so it was a bad tactic to emphasise that in the first place. We are a offensive team. Therefore Kenan and Arda had to play from the beginning. Mert Müldür too.
But apparently they were „injured“
He tried something, and fucked up big time. It happens. Move on. We'll decide if he's Pep or not after the tournament, let's see how the rest of it goes first.
Nice thing about being Turkish is that you give racists and haters fuel if you win too so don't worry about it lmao.
I am a gurbetci myself. I’m sorry, (sorry mods) but the people here are borderline retarded, always screaming anti-turkish sentiment while not doing anything against it. No one votes and if they do they either vote right or populist.
We do face a lot of institutional racism, yes, but that’s the thing, the racism we face is far more nuanced and problematic than “my coworker laugh at me cuz we lost a football match!!!111111!1!1!1!!!!!”
Racism starts at the little things, hating on Turkish teams without a reason, not accepting differences, treating us differently in day to day life.
Racism is rarely extreme in day to day life
Sometimes you don’t even notice racism until later on
Try being an immigrant in Turkey, you will def notice it lol. Or a minority from Turkey within Turkish diaspora in Germany. You won't have to wait until later on.
Germans are a sick nation, deeply racist, and it sucks for the muslim population there, but if you're talking based on your own nationality we don't have the moral high ground here lol. And no football does not matter at all lmao do you think nazis would stop hating us if we beat Portugal? My man they hate the Portuguese too, not white enough lmao.
They aren't, they hate Arabs more. And the answer is the European race hierarchy, remnant of 19th century og racism. The kraut superiority complex about being this superior race that got rich all by themselves is hilarious, it's a cold war frontier thatbwas developed with American capital + immigrant labour with a fair amount of trade exceptions, and is now slowly fading into obscurity now that the niche is gone.
I don’t think so, BAY Cenk and Irfan for example seem to be good friends.
Just the players that played TODAY were not used to each other. So that was the problem
No tactical familiarity
Ferdi and Apo have 0 understanding. Apokerim is used to covering for offensive left backs, for some reason he cannot cover for Ferdi. The main problem is the ex-FB duo of Samet and Altay though, I can definitely see why they were booted out of Fener.
I'm not versed in the history of Samet and Altay but damn this is damning to hear and one thing doesn't Montella have Turkish advisors who can say like bro these two gusy do not work together well or some shit
Agreed though Apo Ferdi wasn't too bad tbh.
No, at GS the midfield covers for the LB. Apo is an offensive CB. He's not used to that role. But that's not the issue, the issue is he returned bad from the injury.
Wrong XI. Understand not starting players with small injuries and playing them <30mins, but then sub out the correct players.
Ferdi was good offensively but not there defensively. Abdulkerim is slow. Samet is clumsy. Zeki was suppose to be better than Mert defensively, he was worse than Mert in every sense.
Usual day at the office for Hakan and Orkun. Forgot Kaan started the game.
Baris at ST doesn’t work. Yunus kept slipping???. Kerem was the only attacker attempting and he subbed him out?. Arda needs to start next game and Kenan needs to take less shots. Why is Yusuf subbing in instead of actual STs we have?
Yunus slipped the most but i can't believe how many of our players also did. It feels like we somehow picked the wrong boots because don't think any Portugal player did.
I just don't understand after seeing Georgia game how you don't keep Baris on the wing, the dude had a really good impact there.
He also didn't do too bad today at CF but again tha'ts because he is such a good utility player. End of the day the coach made huge wrong decisions today adn we odn't even know if the health factors are real or what
Looking at much of the rest of the team, Barış wasn’t actually bad today. Samet made important saves like the first match. Abdulkerim is strikingly bad since the first match, I don’t know why…
We really needed a creative number 10 today. I don’t know wtf Hakan is doing on that pitch but that’s not what he should be doing, and Orkun, yeah why the fck did he get any minutes at all after that terrible performance screwing up the whole team in the first match is beyond me…
Why not start with Kenan instead of Kaan… Merih was unexpectedly good, I think he would have been a much better choice than Abdulkerim with his form.
Kerem started the match sleeping but recovered after the first 20 minutes. All we need for this team is to get those players with bad form out, and hope ICK recovers very soon. If only we had him today…
Ferdi with the fuck up in the first goal. Samet with the fuck up with the second goal and all defense fuck up with the third goal. Our defense is shit and our offense was benched. Fuck we supposed to do.
Can't believe this needs to be said. The third goal fuckup is on Zeki entirely, not only broke the offside line by 2 meters, but then panicked and slipped and then also couldn't follow Fernandez...
Dude grab some blood thinners asap. Get some aspirin if you don’t have anything else. After Covid we all should be trying to thin our blood by some measure anyway.
Aynen elimizde Kante falan var ama Berkan yazıyorum ben. Ismail'e profil olarak en yakın orta sahamız Berkan şu an, keyfimizden istiyoruz sanki. Bir de Taylan Akman kardeşler yazmış, tamam sitenin en komiği sensin. Galatasaraylı bile değilim bu arada.
Berkan ne alaka amk. Sorun orta sahada bile degil. Takimda forvet, kaleci ve defans yok berkan diyorsun. Cenk, bertug, aytac kara, irfan can egribayat, umut nayir, hatta serdar dursun bile olmaliyken bize yunusu izlettiriyorlar gelmis bir de berkani eklemek istiyorsun bu takima. Serdar aziz bile merih ve sametten daha fazla hak ediyor formayi. Mevcut performansi ile abdulkerim bile yedek kalmali. En kotu necip bile olabilirdi, en azindan sakatlanmadan turnuvayi bitirirdi. Neyse berkan olsaydi keske.
Ben Yunus oynasın mı dedim. Turnuvaya sert ve tempolu Ismail'le geldik, sakatlık yaşamasa zaten iki maçtada ilk 11 başlardı. Onun tarzına en yakın Türk topçu Berkan, orta sahada öyle bir oyuncu olmayınca pamuk gibi oluyor, sen ne kadar orta saha sorun değil dersen de. Bir çok sorun var, orta saha da bunlardan biri. Hem Gürcistan hem Portekiz deldi geçti.
Sakatları 70 de alıp maç çevirmesini beklemezsin. Beğenmiyorum diyemiyor yalan söylüyor montella. Samet,Zeki, yunus bu seviyede değiller ve Orkun çoooooooooooook kötü
We should try to play possession form the start. We just can't defend.
No questions to Ferdi this game. Looked like the only elite player on the pitch.
I can see why Arda did not start. The work rate is not there. Yazici, at striker, had to run back and cover for him. Start Arda as a false 9 and minimise his defensive duties in the next game.
All that said I still feel reasonably optimistic for the game against Czechia.
I don't know what's worse; the starting 11 or him subbing supposedly injured players when the game is already over.
Why did we even bring strikers to Germany? Could've brought Can Uzan and 2 more midfielders.
No, let’s just hate on BAY because he’s a GS player and I’m a fan of a rival team! /s
People talking like we’ve Haaland on the bench and we chose to play BAY
But imo at striker, Yildirim, Semih or Cenk would be better. We need good and calm finishers
Even Cenk can out of nowhere score a goal, look at Besiktas vs Fener last season.
Wouldn't be surprised we finish last in the end, with Portugal resting all players last game and letting Georgia win and we lose to Czech. Fucking hell...
Hate Terim.
Germany, England, France and Spain are the elite teams. England just has a shit coach.
Italy, Netherlands, Portugal and Belgium are upper mid teams. Belgium played like shit the first game but on paper they are better than Portugal.
I don’t think we have bad quality, we are just massive chokers and we play scared of everybody
What is your criteria? Squad quality or game quality?
Because if we go by who has better squad the three bests are France, England and Portugal. If we go by game quality we have Germany, Spain and Portugal.
So yeah portugal are one of the favourites, and if you don't see that you are delusional
We are talking about current performances here. Did you even watch a single game? England plays horrible and they are far from elite with the level they are playing at.
France doesn't have good playmakers. Defensively, they are great due to their players' unreal athleticism; but offensively their creative skills are way more limited than Portugal.
Vitinnha, Palhinha, Ruben Neves, Bruno Fernandes, Bernardo Silva are amazingly skilled creative players.
Ronaldo is still a big threat, Leao is incredible winger and Jota, Felix and Ramos can't even get into first 11 despite being great players. I would only put Germany and Spain in front of them. They have a good coach and incredibly skilled player playing very good.
So apparently Arda, Kenan and Ismail could play… If they would play from the beginning the match would be completely different. What a misery. After the Georgia match all eyes were on us and we totally embarrassed ourselves
I just can't understand how people have trust in Montella. Games vs Armenia, Georgia, Poland, Austria, Italy, Hungary shows that the team doesn't know what to do with or without the ball.
Also his starting 11ens and subs are very questionable. I hope he proves me wrong, but in my eyes he's not a great manager.
No president call today? No Bigsour party tour? Fucking idiots. I was worried we might end the tournament with 0 embarrasment but luckily the boys delivered again.
Ugurcan played the whole season? He played enough lets give Altay a chance. Also everyone here called it after Samets good performance against Georgia. He was going to deliver the other half soon I just didnt think it would be this soon.
The real questions have to be:
1. How can it be that a nation like Portugal with 10 million people produces so much more and so much better players than Türkiye?
2. How can it be that 5 million gurbetci produce almost as many good players as 85 million in Türkiye?
With the football craze in our nation and with that size of population, we should be like France, Germany and England ffs!
Everyone will go off about the football anyways so I'm not gonna bother but I wanna say, the commentary 'performance' of this sub in the match thread was even worse than that. With this blind, hateful, illogical tribalism we don't deserve *anything*. It's been an embarrassment all around.
We should thank them for going easy on us. It felt like they could've easily scored another 3 goals. Im glad CR is older now.
Samet Apo Zeki Altay were horrid that backline needs to change asap also bench Kökçü and pull Kaan back to CB.
Comments on here made it look like Yunus scored all 3 goals against us himself. Not sure why he was scapegoated but he sure wasn’t great. That being said I still believe the worst players on the field were those in the center. Hakan, Kaan, Ismail, Orkun, and Yusuf all watched their teammates struggle on the wings and did NOTHING to help them. We couldn’t go anywhere because our forward play was fully restricted between wingers and their backs.
- Altay yil boyunca ayagini hic gelistirememis cok sukur.
- Samet'in fundamental'i yok.
- Abdulkerim hayatinin en kotu macini oynamistir heralde.
- Ferdi defansta kotuydu yine. Abdulkerimle birlikte o kanat follos oldu. ofansta iyiydi genel olarak
- Zeki geriye kosup ofsayti bozdu, sonra dustu kaldi.
- Yunus celimsiz. 3-5 dk bisi yapiyor, sonra bitiyor
- Kerem, ilk yarinin en iyisi, ikinci yari bir hata yaptiktan sonra futbolu unuttu.
- Kaan da meh, biraz iyi biraz kotu.
- Orkun, ilerde gole sebep olacak her seyi yanlis yapiyor.
Bir tek hakan iyiydi, BAY ilerde cok ugrasti ama ezildi bayagi.
Portekiz cok da bir sey oynamadan gule oynaya 3 atti. 5-6 atabilirdi, oyle bir macti.
Helal olsun, bende ayni her noktada ayni tespitlere geldim.
Ilave olarak derim ki takimlar Hakani butun maç yakin markaja aliyor oynatmamak icin, ve Montella buna karsilik hicbir sey yapmiyor.
Ve Yunusta ayni bok hic degismemis, topu ayagindan cikartmadan elli kere dokunma fetişinden vazgecirememisler ingilterede.
Montella napti bilen var mi?
Oyuna baslattigi 11 ve oyun stili degil, sonradan yaptiklari.
Lan Orkun’u cikardin tamam ne guzel, Yusuf niye oynuyor. Napti da oynuyor?
Madem Arda’yi 3-0da sokucaksin oyuna, takimin hala geri donme sansi varken niye Yusuf’un yerine sokuyosun.
Kenan’i sokucan, lan Kerem ilk yarida sahanin en iyisiydi. Niye cikariyosun? Yunus neden cikmadi?
3-0ken oynayan takim as takima 0-0ken oynayan takimdan daha yakindi.
Sikko portekiz’e korkak oynadik, Montella’ya yazar. Keske Turkler Turk’e benzemeseydi de, acik ara en iyi Turk TD hem bizi hem milli takimi yonetebilseydi.
Samet and Altay were horrible. Zeki, Ferdi and Yunus were awful. Apo's, Kaan's and Orkun's buildup was underwhelming. Every single team's gameplan is to manmark Hakan tightly and not let him play, and Montella still can't take advantage of that or try to counter it. That's about it.
Ligde 11 gol atmış Semih i hücum hattında oynatma ağrı var riske etmeyelim dediğin adamı Ardayı kaybedilmiş bir maçın 15 dakikasında sahaya sürmen senin hocalığın beni düşündürür montella
I’m sorry but after today i never want to see abdulkerim and ferdi play the same side again they have no chemistry and leave so many gaps in the defense when either steps up into the midfield. Our midfield has zero physicality every team we play against goes through us in like two or three passes we cant win any 50/50s in the air we have no aggression no bite. If it was me i’d play okay yokuşlu and ismail yuksek behind hakan with kenan and arda on either wing and then maybe serdar dursun at striker (thats how low the standard is now). Fuck zeki celik as well never call him up again. Honestly next game play ahmetcan play semih kilicsoy they cant be worse than what we’ve already seen
can someone explain to me wtf Yusuf Yazici does? Also why the fck does Yunus play?
I'm not going to lie in first 15 minuets I thought Yunus was gonna have a decent impact but damn he became a ghost.
But really why does Yusuf Yazici exist?
I nkow I can complain about a slew of other players but, talk about bringing on even more useless guy I just don't get what he offers period
Portekiz hiçbirşey oynamadan yendi falan tamam da, be amk hakanı, senin hiç utanman yokmu nasıl o hakemin elini sıkarsın. Maçı katletmiş, yuzune tüküreceğine elini sıkıyosun.
Montella is a fckn joke. I can‘t believe that no one no TFF no Hamit no Calhanoglu stopped him from his Adana torpil Yunus & Samet gang. One is a second division benchwarmer, the other chased away from Fener & Pana. This is ridiculous. Kuntza sövüyordunuz, Montellaya bin basar amk
TL DW - Everything is the fault of GS players.
Anyway, what a shit show but we all knew it was gonna be shit against Portugal, especially after seeing the starting 11.
Who should've played instead of Kenan and Arda are injured, as well as ICK? It's not like the players with the Fener history or from fener right now weren't some of the worst ones on the field, but suddenly everything is on GS. Like if they'd bash their own players as much as they focused on finding faults of GS players maybe we could actually start to have a proper discussion
Milli takimda bütün lobiler silinmesi lazim. Bugün maglubiyet Yunus‘u oynat, Kerem‘e sans veren diyen zihniyet. Arda Güler ve Kenan‘i yedek biraktiniz. Gol atan Mert yedek. Mert Günok yerine Altay.
Güle güle agladim.
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They went easy on us second half, we got lucky i‘d say
They got mad lucky to be up 2-0 in first half though
Is it luck if it happens everytime tho ? We make similar mistakes in every game.
The 2-0 one was a bit more than normal lol
He made an assist in the Poland game and now he scores himself. He gifts at least 1 goal in every two matches.
We got HUMBLED. Exactly what we needed.
We should be the humblest national team itw already. Our player quality wasnt enough. End of story.
If they had Jota instead of Ronaldo we'd be screwed lol. Most frustrating thing about this match is Portugal literally didn't play. They simply jogged along and didn't try too much. We gave everything on silver platter.
Ronaldo didnt even go beyond third gear lmao. We should be thankful
They got 40 year olds in Pepe and Ronaldo who are playing while our 19-20 year olds are tired. Fuck outta here.
Portekizten 3 yedik amik. 3. Olup Hollandadan tekrar 6-1
Portekiz Hollanda'dan daha iyi. Hem kadroları daha iyi hem de teknik direktörleri daha iyi. Bugün isteseler rahat 5 atarlardı bize.
Portugal is everything in football Turkey isnt. Portugese clubs instead of spending fortunes on washed up 30 year olds invested money into developing youngsters. Just look at their squad, they have quality in every position. We on the other hand dont even try to develop youngsters. For the love of god we dont even have an u21 leage or reserve teams. And you can see the effects of it in out nt. The vast majority of the squads quality are Diaspora turks, if you remove them, we would not be good enough to even think about qualifying for international tournaments
So Montella is either fucking stupid or is a liar, why would you sub in Arda and Ismail, who are injured, at 70' in a match where you are down by 3 goals? Sack him asap I don't even care, there is zero explanation for these squad choices.
It felt to me like it was an attempt to cover his ass, got scared that it would go to 4 5 null and he would be fired and be the tournament pariah
our problems go much deeper than the choices of manager tho.
İsmail makes sense, he needs minutes. Arda doesn't.
there is nothing that gives confidence - feels like not just tff but the whole team management is incompetent all the way down to kit managers who can't inform the players not to wear the wrong fucking shoes so they don't slip up and down the pitch every 5 seconds. We have a young squad that's playing against 40 year olds but we're the ones who have players benched because they're tired... our manager is allergic to our strikers - we have 3 on bench, we are down 3-0 and need a goal but sure let's keep our strikers benched... our defense has no chemistry with each other and are playing all over the place - they give zero confidence to the rest of the squad... there is no vision, no guidance and no leader. just cause we beat a shit Georgian team doesn't mean we had solved any of the issues that was clearly visible during all the friendlies where we ate 9 goals and only score 2 without a single victory.... everything may be okay for WC 2026 but with TFF in charge, that's doubtful.
medical report o yönde olabilir 20 dakikadan fazla oynayamazlar vs.
abi oynatma hic o zaman, why even risk it ffs it's 3-0
haklısın
Seyirci baskısını gördü, genel baskıyı da biliyor. Alın aq madem o kadar istediniz değişikliği gibi geldi bana. Ben de hiç oynatmazdım ve sakat olduklarını da düşünüyorum şahsen maç önü.
Averajı düşündü galiba. 3-0 önde olan rakip defansta biraz gevşek olur, öylede oldu zaten baya top kaybı yaptı Portekiz çıkarken. Bari bir tane aralım demiştir de o zaman Cenk'i niye oyuna almıyon aq.
maybe some warming up for next match? idk need the feeling back yknow
Common practice no? If a player has a small injury it might be risky to start them but they might be allowed to play like 20-30 mins.
The point is why are you risking his injury after 3-0? Thats why no one believes the guy. If ICK wasn't injured I doubt we'd have seen Arda for more than 15minutes versus Georgia.
He subbed him because the fans were chanting his name. Spineless coach. Giving Ismail some minutes to get back is fine
Least reactionary Turkish fan
Ismail Kartal Vibe
Maybe he thought it was too much pressure for Arda to start? Stupid decision but only thing I can think of 🤷🏻♀️ Edit: you can stop downvoting me folks, it was a guess - I’m not saying I agree! Chill out
Bu cocugu koruya koruya kariyerinden küstürcekler
I'm scared they will turn him into Zaniolo, ie playing every second with the anxiety of having to immediately deliver in a few seconds/minutes to prove himself, leading to poor decision making on the pitch....
I know, so stupid. He seemed more of a captain than Hakan tbh 😂
COMPLETELY dreadful and embarrassing We again gave racists and haters fuel to laugh about You are telling me that 4 guys from the 11 against Georgia cant play? Get the fuck outta here siktir Montella tried to be pep, but realised he is not. Our strength is not defense, so it was a bad tactic to emphasise that in the first place. We are a offensive team. Therefore Kenan and Arda had to play from the beginning. Mert Müldür too. But apparently they were „injured“
He tried something, and fucked up big time. It happens. Move on. We'll decide if he's Pep or not after the tournament, let's see how the rest of it goes first. Nice thing about being Turkish is that you give racists and haters fuel if you win too so don't worry about it lmao.
You are right canim
no one cares more about “anti-turks” than a 3rd generation immigrant living in his apartment in berlin
Bro you don’t even know the gurbetci life and struggles, so stop talking Türklerde türk düşmanı oldu amk
Kurulu duzenimiz var yegenim
I am a gurbetci myself. I’m sorry, (sorry mods) but the people here are borderline retarded, always screaming anti-turkish sentiment while not doing anything against it. No one votes and if they do they either vote right or populist. We do face a lot of institutional racism, yes, but that’s the thing, the racism we face is far more nuanced and problematic than “my coworker laugh at me cuz we lost a football match!!!111111!1!1!1!!!!!”
Racism starts at the little things, hating on Turkish teams without a reason, not accepting differences, treating us differently in day to day life. Racism is rarely extreme in day to day life Sometimes you don’t even notice racism until later on
Try being an immigrant in Turkey, you will def notice it lol. Or a minority from Turkey within Turkish diaspora in Germany. You won't have to wait until later on. Germans are a sick nation, deeply racist, and it sucks for the muslim population there, but if you're talking based on your own nationality we don't have the moral high ground here lol. And no football does not matter at all lmao do you think nazis would stop hating us if we beat Portugal? My man they hate the Portuguese too, not white enough lmao.
The immigrants in turkey also don’t have it easy. But germany got really weird in the last few years, again
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They aren't, they hate Arabs more. And the answer is the European race hierarchy, remnant of 19th century og racism. The kraut superiority complex about being this superior race that got rich all by themselves is hilarious, it's a cold war frontier thatbwas developed with American capital + immigrant labour with a fair amount of trade exceptions, and is now slowly fading into obscurity now that the niche is gone.
There is no team cohesion. Especially among players playing for GS/FB. They truly dislike each other.
I don’t think so, BAY Cenk and Irfan for example seem to be good friends. Just the players that played TODAY were not used to each other. So that was the problem No tactical familiarity
Ferdi and Apo have 0 understanding. Apokerim is used to covering for offensive left backs, for some reason he cannot cover for Ferdi. The main problem is the ex-FB duo of Samet and Altay though, I can definitely see why they were booted out of Fener.
Samet and Altay really did bring me back to the Fener days. So thoughtful of them The Apo Ferdi combo wasn’t thaaaaaaaat bad or the problem imo
I'm not versed in the history of Samet and Altay but damn this is damning to hear and one thing doesn't Montella have Turkish advisors who can say like bro these two gusy do not work together well or some shit Agreed though Apo Ferdi wasn't too bad tbh.
No, at GS the midfield covers for the LB. Apo is an offensive CB. He's not used to that role. But that's not the issue, the issue is he returned bad from the injury.
I feel pity for semih, he couldn't find even a single minute with this many injuries. Its not like bay was gonna score a hattrick and make it 3-3
If we play like that against Czechia, time to pack up. Completely embarrassing, thanks
I mean if we play like this against czechia we most likely won't make it to r16
Exactly
Arda had more impact in twenty minutes than all the other players combined
give kerem some respect bro. he played good.
But then why sub Kerem off and not Yunus who was one of the worst
We all want to know that.
So he was immediately moved out of his position, then subbed off lol
Wrong XI. Understand not starting players with small injuries and playing them <30mins, but then sub out the correct players. Ferdi was good offensively but not there defensively. Abdulkerim is slow. Samet is clumsy. Zeki was suppose to be better than Mert defensively, he was worse than Mert in every sense. Usual day at the office for Hakan and Orkun. Forgot Kaan started the game. Baris at ST doesn’t work. Yunus kept slipping???. Kerem was the only attacker attempting and he subbed him out?. Arda needs to start next game and Kenan needs to take less shots. Why is Yusuf subbing in instead of actual STs we have?
Yunus slipped the most but i can't believe how many of our players also did. It feels like we somehow picked the wrong boots because don't think any Portugal player did.
They also slipped many times. I think the pitch quality was subpar
I just don't understand after seeing Georgia game how you don't keep Baris on the wing, the dude had a really good impact there. He also didn't do too bad today at CF but again tha'ts because he is such a good utility player. End of the day the coach made huge wrong decisions today adn we odn't even know if the health factors are real or what
Looking at much of the rest of the team, Barış wasn’t actually bad today. Samet made important saves like the first match. Abdulkerim is strikingly bad since the first match, I don’t know why… We really needed a creative number 10 today. I don’t know wtf Hakan is doing on that pitch but that’s not what he should be doing, and Orkun, yeah why the fck did he get any minutes at all after that terrible performance screwing up the whole team in the first match is beyond me… Why not start with Kenan instead of Kaan… Merih was unexpectedly good, I think he would have been a much better choice than Abdulkerim with his form. Kerem started the match sleeping but recovered after the first 20 minutes. All we need for this team is to get those players with bad form out, and hope ICK recovers very soon. If only we had him today…
When he subbed off kerem and kept dolphin on the pitch, that was the moment I lost all hope of montella. Unbelievable.
dolphin 😂😂
Ferdi with the fuck up in the first goal. Samet with the fuck up with the second goal and all defense fuck up with the third goal. Our defense is shit and our offense was benched. Fuck we supposed to do.
Can't believe this needs to be said. The third goal fuckup is on Zeki entirely, not only broke the offside line by 2 meters, but then panicked and slipped and then also couldn't follow Fernandez...
yup. It just highlights how bad we are at the simple things though which has always been the case for us nationally except for like 2002 run
There’s a huge lack of a system in the players’ minds. Not a single player knows what his buddy is going to do
Embarrassing
Zeki son derece vasat, 3lü savunma oyna daha iyi
This country is impossible to top at disappointing her people. Might be the only thing she's great at.
Underrated comment
We are in a race with England this season
Horrible horrible.
Imagine if we had Ralf Ragnick.
I regret staying up for this game. I’ve really sick for a few days and could’ve used the extra sleep. Now I’m so annoyed and have a huge headache
Dude grab some blood thinners asap. Get some aspirin if you don’t have anything else. After Covid we all should be trying to thin our blood by some measure anyway.
Bu Cenk'i Bertuğ'u falan kullanmayacaksan niye kadroya aldın aq, bir orta saha daha alırdın Berkan gibi.
Berkan var, taylan var, hatta akman kardesleri bile var di mi. Allahim ya….
Aynen elimizde Kante falan var ama Berkan yazıyorum ben. Ismail'e profil olarak en yakın orta sahamız Berkan şu an, keyfimizden istiyoruz sanki. Bir de Taylan Akman kardeşler yazmış, tamam sitenin en komiği sensin. Galatasaraylı bile değilim bu arada.
Berkan ne alaka amk. Sorun orta sahada bile degil. Takimda forvet, kaleci ve defans yok berkan diyorsun. Cenk, bertug, aytac kara, irfan can egribayat, umut nayir, hatta serdar dursun bile olmaliyken bize yunusu izlettiriyorlar gelmis bir de berkani eklemek istiyorsun bu takima. Serdar aziz bile merih ve sametten daha fazla hak ediyor formayi. Mevcut performansi ile abdulkerim bile yedek kalmali. En kotu necip bile olabilirdi, en azindan sakatlanmadan turnuvayi bitirirdi. Neyse berkan olsaydi keske.
Ben Yunus oynasın mı dedim. Turnuvaya sert ve tempolu Ismail'le geldik, sakatlık yaşamasa zaten iki maçtada ilk 11 başlardı. Onun tarzına en yakın Türk topçu Berkan, orta sahada öyle bir oyuncu olmayınca pamuk gibi oluyor, sen ne kadar orta saha sorun değil dersen de. Bir çok sorun var, orta saha da bunlardan biri. Hem Gürcistan hem Portekiz deldi geçti.
Sakatları 70 de alıp maç çevirmesini beklemezsin. Beğenmiyorum diyemiyor yalan söylüyor montella. Samet,Zeki, yunus bu seviyede değiller ve Orkun çoooooooooooook kötü
Bi hayal kurdurmuyorlar amk
Kenarda 3 tane santrafor oturuyor hadi Barış daha önce iş yaptı diye kabul ediyoruz da Yusuf ne alaka artık.
We should try to play possession form the start. We just can't defend. No questions to Ferdi this game. Looked like the only elite player on the pitch. I can see why Arda did not start. The work rate is not there. Yazici, at striker, had to run back and cover for him. Start Arda as a false 9 and minimise his defensive duties in the next game. All that said I still feel reasonably optimistic for the game against Czechia.
I don't know what's worse; the starting 11 or him subbing supposedly injured players when the game is already over. Why did we even bring strikers to Germany? Could've brought Can Uzan and 2 more midfielders.
No player gets a passing grade from me, regardless of what club they are associated with. Let's hope we'll play better next time
Would be handy if we start a striker next game that tries to shoot on goal…
I will still say that BAY is wasted at Striker.
Well he isnt better than arda or kenan. And as 10 i would still start orkun over anyother player. Without orkun we lose all pressure
Imo he could also play as RB, we are a offensive team, no need to try to balance our weaknesses. We only weaken our team by doing that
I dont know i dont see bay as anyother than a super sub in this quad
That would also be a excellent choice in my opinion. He is extremely fast so maybe bringing him on later and fresh is good.
Orkun has been spoiling 90% of the goal chances he’s been involved in since the first match
No, let’s just hate on BAY because he’s a GS player and I’m a fan of a rival team! /s People talking like we’ve Haaland on the bench and we chose to play BAY
Brother I dont hate on BAY, he is crazy good. But he belongs on the Wings in my opinion Why are you attacking me 💀💀💀
Kanka senden bahsetmiyordum kusura bakma kgkfkdkd Dediklerine katılıyorum, BAY kanatta daha iyi iş yapar ama forvette oynayacak kimse yok takımda
But imo at striker, Yildirim, Semih or Cenk would be better. We need good and calm finishers Even Cenk can out of nowhere score a goal, look at Besiktas vs Fener last season.
Yeah he’s lacking that finisher feeling for sure, but with this midfield I’m not sure if a classic finisher striker will be able to do anything
You are probably right brother
Kddkdjsksksjsksks canim benim
Nasıl yok. 3 tane forvet var. BAYın iki maçta kaleye şutu yok. Forvet oynamıyor - NET.
What striker?
The fake icardi
Wouldn't be surprised we finish last in the end, with Portugal resting all players last game and letting Georgia win and we lose to Czech. Fucking hell...
What beating Georgia and hyping yourself up to European Champions does to a mf. The first serious team always beats us up in the tournaments
Zero chance. Even B Team of Portugal would beat the shit out of Georgia.
Nah, Portugal isn’t shit.
What?
Portugal isn’t a strong team. We beat ourselves today.
You don't know the ball. Portugal's roster is one of the best in the championship.
You don’t know ball and you are stuck in 2018. Middle of the pack
Are you a Terimist by any chance? They usually lack ball knowledge like that. Vitinha alone makes them elite lol.
Hate Terim. Germany, England, France and Spain are the elite teams. England just has a shit coach. Italy, Netherlands, Portugal and Belgium are upper mid teams. Belgium played like shit the first game but on paper they are better than Portugal. I don’t think we have bad quality, we are just massive chokers and we play scared of everybody
What is your criteria? Squad quality or game quality? Because if we go by who has better squad the three bests are France, England and Portugal. If we go by game quality we have Germany, Spain and Portugal. So yeah portugal are one of the favourites, and if you don't see that you are delusional
We are talking about current performances here. Did you even watch a single game? England plays horrible and they are far from elite with the level they are playing at. France doesn't have good playmakers. Defensively, they are great due to their players' unreal athleticism; but offensively their creative skills are way more limited than Portugal. Vitinnha, Palhinha, Ruben Neves, Bruno Fernandes, Bernardo Silva are amazingly skilled creative players. Ronaldo is still a big threat, Leao is incredible winger and Jota, Felix and Ramos can't even get into first 11 despite being great players. I would only put Germany and Spain in front of them. They have a good coach and incredibly skilled player playing very good.
MUCUK
i hope this happens so we wont get humiliated against netherlands/france in playoffs
Soyle sacmalayanlari islak havluyla dovmek istiyorum
harder daddy
Sounds like a win-win situation
So apparently Arda, Kenan and Ismail could play… If they would play from the beginning the match would be completely different. What a misery. After the Georgia match all eyes were on us and we totally embarrassed ourselves
Oturduk☹️
I just can't understand how people have trust in Montella. Games vs Armenia, Georgia, Poland, Austria, Italy, Hungary shows that the team doesn't know what to do with or without the ball. Also his starting 11ens and subs are very questionable. I hope he proves me wrong, but in my eyes he's not a great manager.
No president call today? No Bigsour party tour? Fucking idiots. I was worried we might end the tournament with 0 embarrasment but luckily the boys delivered again. Ugurcan played the whole season? He played enough lets give Altay a chance. Also everyone here called it after Samets good performance against Georgia. He was going to deliver the other half soon I just didnt think it would be this soon.
The real questions have to be: 1. How can it be that a nation like Portugal with 10 million people produces so much more and so much better players than Türkiye? 2. How can it be that 5 million gurbetci produce almost as many good players as 85 million in Türkiye? With the football craze in our nation and with that size of population, we should be like France, Germany and England ffs!
Because everyone in positions of authority in Turkey are corrupt and/or idiots.
My only hope is that Montella didn’t give shit on this match and is fully focusing on the Czechia match.
A draw guarantees us 2nd place no? So hopefully some fucking changes against the czech
Everyone will go off about the football anyways so I'm not gonna bother but I wanna say, the commentary 'performance' of this sub in the match thread was even worse than that. With this blind, hateful, illogical tribalism we don't deserve *anything*. It's been an embarrassment all around.
Arda got in the match and tried something but the players he was passing to were all shit. Yusuf uff dedirtmekten başka bisey bilmiyor
Also side note, fuck the ref for the first half of doing what he can to get us rattled.
Can someone tell me who Yusuf Yazici‘s manager is? How is he getting minutes?
Kerem being subbed off was the most insane thing ever, was our best player and still couldn't get even 60 minutes
second half, he was terrible. he made a mistake then messed up a bunch of times. He stopped the pressure etc.
[удалено]
Yusuf still getting minutes with Semih on the bench is funnier.
GS göt acısı var bu kişide, iki yorum atmış buraya ikisi de aynı
Why can't we ever go through the easy way?
We aren't good enough. Never were
Guess accepting that will be our salvation
Pros: We're still second Ronaldo didn't score Nutella probably thought we're gonna lose anyway so he played our worst players Cons: Everything else
We should thank them for going easy on us. It felt like they could've easily scored another 3 goals. Im glad CR is older now. Samet Apo Zeki Altay were horrid that backline needs to change asap also bench Kökçü and pull Kaan back to CB.
Comments on here made it look like Yunus scored all 3 goals against us himself. Not sure why he was scapegoated but he sure wasn’t great. That being said I still believe the worst players on the field were those in the center. Hakan, Kaan, Ismail, Orkun, and Yusuf all watched their teammates struggle on the wings and did NOTHING to help them. We couldn’t go anywhere because our forward play was fully restricted between wingers and their backs.
- Altay yil boyunca ayagini hic gelistirememis cok sukur. - Samet'in fundamental'i yok. - Abdulkerim hayatinin en kotu macini oynamistir heralde. - Ferdi defansta kotuydu yine. Abdulkerimle birlikte o kanat follos oldu. ofansta iyiydi genel olarak - Zeki geriye kosup ofsayti bozdu, sonra dustu kaldi. - Yunus celimsiz. 3-5 dk bisi yapiyor, sonra bitiyor - Kerem, ilk yarinin en iyisi, ikinci yari bir hata yaptiktan sonra futbolu unuttu. - Kaan da meh, biraz iyi biraz kotu. - Orkun, ilerde gole sebep olacak her seyi yanlis yapiyor. Bir tek hakan iyiydi, BAY ilerde cok ugrasti ama ezildi bayagi. Portekiz cok da bir sey oynamadan gule oynaya 3 atti. 5-6 atabilirdi, oyle bir macti.
Helal olsun, bende ayni her noktada ayni tespitlere geldim. Ilave olarak derim ki takimlar Hakani butun maç yakin markaja aliyor oynatmamak icin, ve Montella buna karsilik hicbir sey yapmiyor. Ve Yunusta ayni bok hic degismemis, topu ayagindan cikartmadan elli kere dokunma fetişinden vazgecirememisler ingilterede.
Montella napti bilen var mi? Oyuna baslattigi 11 ve oyun stili degil, sonradan yaptiklari. Lan Orkun’u cikardin tamam ne guzel, Yusuf niye oynuyor. Napti da oynuyor? Madem Arda’yi 3-0da sokucaksin oyuna, takimin hala geri donme sansi varken niye Yusuf’un yerine sokuyosun. Kenan’i sokucan, lan Kerem ilk yarida sahanin en iyisiydi. Niye cikariyosun? Yunus neden cikmadi? 3-0ken oynayan takim as takima 0-0ken oynayan takimdan daha yakindi. Sikko portekiz’e korkak oynadik, Montella’ya yazar. Keske Turkler Turk’e benzemeseydi de, acik ara en iyi Turk TD hem bizi hem milli takimi yonetebilseydi.
If we play for draw against Czech, we'll fuck it up for sure. We can never play for a draw and actually get it. I'm not hopeful :(
This is my fear as well.
Samet and Altay were horrible. Zeki, Ferdi and Yunus were awful. Apo's, Kaan's and Orkun's buildup was underwhelming. Every single team's gameplan is to manmark Hakan tightly and not let him play, and Montella still can't take advantage of that or try to counter it. That's about it.
0 minutes to İCK yet Yunus plays the whole match. go figure.
İCK is injured
Yanlış ilk 11 tercihi bu kadar basit abi. İlk golü yedikten sonra herkes pes etti zaten. Vermeye gelmişiz. 19 yaşındaki adam yorgunmuş değişik
Ligde 11 gol atmış Semih i hücum hattında oynatma ağrı var riske etmeyelim dediğin adamı Ardayı kaybedilmiş bir maçın 15 dakikasında sahaya sürmen senin hocalığın beni düşündürür montella
I’m sorry but after today i never want to see abdulkerim and ferdi play the same side again they have no chemistry and leave so many gaps in the defense when either steps up into the midfield. Our midfield has zero physicality every team we play against goes through us in like two or three passes we cant win any 50/50s in the air we have no aggression no bite. If it was me i’d play okay yokuşlu and ismail yuksek behind hakan with kenan and arda on either wing and then maybe serdar dursun at striker (thats how low the standard is now). Fuck zeki celik as well never call him up again. Honestly next game play ahmetcan play semih kilicsoy they cant be worse than what we’ve already seen
can someone explain to me wtf Yusuf Yazici does? Also why the fck does Yunus play? I'm not going to lie in first 15 minuets I thought Yunus was gonna have a decent impact but damn he became a ghost. But really why does Yusuf Yazici exist? I nkow I can complain about a slew of other players but, talk about bringing on even more useless guy I just don't get what he offers period
Back 4 needs to completely change theyve been horrific
beyle r Mert'in go lu en iyi gol secilmis voe atmisti y
sametinkide kendi kalesine atilan en iyi gol secilcek
We “just” have to draw against czech right
Yes we only need a draw against czech
Portekiz hiçbirşey oynamadan yendi falan tamam da, be amk hakanı, senin hiç utanman yokmu nasıl o hakemin elini sıkarsın. Maçı katletmiş, yuzune tüküreceğine elini sıkıyosun.
Tbh I don’t think we played that bad. These idiots just gifted Portugal goals and shot themselves in the foot. Couldn’t mentally recover after that
Montella is a fckn joke. I can‘t believe that no one no TFF no Hamit no Calhanoglu stopped him from his Adana torpil Yunus & Samet gang. One is a second division benchwarmer, the other chased away from Fener & Pana. This is ridiculous. Kuntza sövüyordunuz, Montellaya bin basar amk
TL DW - Everything is the fault of GS players. Anyway, what a shit show but we all knew it was gonna be shit against Portugal, especially after seeing the starting 11.
I mean, half of the squad were GS players. I wouldn't blame them though, it's not their fault Montella had a shitty XI.
Who should've played instead of Kenan and Arda are injured, as well as ICK? It's not like the players with the Fener history or from fener right now weren't some of the worst ones on the field, but suddenly everything is on GS. Like if they'd bash their own players as much as they focused on finding faults of GS players maybe we could actually start to have a proper discussion
>TL DW - Everything is the fault of GS players. Finally someone said it.
The sarcasm flew right over your head, but if you actually thought I'm not surprised
Milli takimda bütün lobiler silinmesi lazim. Bugün maglubiyet Yunus‘u oynat, Kerem‘e sans veren diyen zihniyet. Arda Güler ve Kenan‘i yedek biraktiniz. Gol atan Mert yedek. Mert Günok yerine Altay. Güle güle agladim.
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Yep sack and bring in Fatih Terim.
bring herhangi bir adam